Video: Between the Lines with the Limberios Family — Day 2

The family reacts to the second day of the Dr. Phil program.
Sandusky Register Staff
Nov 15, 2013

 

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bmgasser

Maybe it's just me but the player is not working very well if you guys are not aware.

Jason Werling

bmgasser, we had trouble at the start, but I fixed it.

Thanks.

indolent indiff...

I didn't watch, did she pass the lie detector exam? Did he?

MakeITHappen

Both failed

Hayabusa

Were told a score of 4 to fail, and they scored an 8 (clearly failed)

worddrow811

He reacted differently than she did when told they had failed the test. I think the two questions were designed to make them fail. If they did not see what really happened, they cannot say if Jake shot himself or if someone else did and they simply do not want to say. That in and of itself would make the test questionable, in my opinion. Hearing a car backfire is similar to a gunshot sound and if one isn't looking, the person who reports a gunshot is telling the truth from their perspective, even though it's not what is the truth.

Let this be a lesson to all that playing with a gun, in any form, is russian roulette and you will lose.

A Young Adult's...

Hit the nail on the head. I don't think either one of them could definitively say that Jake shot himself. Everything about it was dramatized for production value, seemingly.

Not taking sides, but I do not see any possible way these test results could lead to further discovery in any manner.

LabMan

I think they would fail those 2 questions if they were the shooter as well. You are taking their word that they did not see it.

kam33

case should be reopened....both failed...this needs to be investigated further

YAWWNN

What is reopening the case gonna do? The lie detector test is inadmissible in court. What that means is if both continue to stick to their story, no new evidence will be brought forth. The coroner should just change the death certificate, and we will see if all involved actually move on or continue making this a media circus.

Dude i Roc

Here's what I think: She(Brittany) is a sex-fueled, egotistical -sociopath who wanted to be the center of drunk-attention and picked up the gun all coy and playfully and accidentally shot Jake. This unfortunate event has merely inconvienienced her. Her slightly less "hot" loser of a boyfriend (Will) is covering for her foolishness because he is PW'd and knows he'll never score another hottie like that one. Pretty base thinking , I know...

Dude i Roc

This should probably be deleted, I know.

A Young Adult's...

+1

Dude i Roc

Will did emphatically state TWICE that "he wasn't covering up for anybody",on day 2 episode...

YAWWNN

I think you may be on to something ;)

Kottage Kat

Where is the third witness he has never been mentioned. Why??

red white and blue

Kottage cat^^ the third one lawyerd up he won't talk to know one the first test they took was inconclusive this one they failed not to mention what will put on his facebook they day after jake died along with Brittany taking off to florida if anyone thinks they didn't have anything to do with it they are blind or covering for them!!! Oh and J4J!!!! And his daughter ella

red white and blue

Young adult and reading signs^^^ your comments are dum and make no sense they were not set up to fail if someone was shot and you were there that's something that burns in your brain you don't forget listen the audio when they talk to the detective

worddrow811

this is an opinion, not fact, rw&b. you need to learn how to spell before calling anyone dumb. they did not see it and they cannot say it is what happened. try again.

Amanda Halliday

If I were in these kid's shoes, I'd be even more on the defensive than they are. And I'd certainly be filing a defamation of character suit against several media outlets and the "justice for jake" facebook page. The absolutely cruel things that are being said should not be said in public forums. Have your own opinion, fine, but guard your words lest you do more harm. Its shameful and I feel bad for even living near all of you and your lynch mob mentality. Not only did they witness a friend's death, they have been belittled, berated and have been vilified by their community. Have we really reached the point in society where bullying and name calling is so entertaining to people? Shame on you all.

The Bizness

Innocent until proven guilty doesn't work in the current media market. I agree though, it seems like he killed himself until proven otherwise.

deertracker

You obviously don't believe in science!

The Bizness

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YAWWNN

Actually, once you put yourself on national television and in the media, the bar is set much higher to prove defamation. The criteria for defamation when someone has achieved celebrity status is much different than for the average joe. Once they were put on the Dr. Phil show, all bets were off.

Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.

The concept of the "public figure" is broader than celebrities and politicians. A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of publicity, even though that person did not want or invite the public attention. For example, people accused of high profile crimes may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established, on the basis that the notoriety associated with the case and the accusations against them turned them into involuntary public figures.

deertracker

Shame on you for expecting ANYONE to believe what they are saying. They deserve all the treatment they are getting. Tell the truth and this will be over.

lifetimeresident

It seems like neither of these 2 kids actually seen jacob put the gun to his head and pull the trigger, from what I heard watching DR Phil. Could someone of dropped the gun and it went off? The bullet is in the ceiling. Therefore the shot came from down low!

Ctwhalers

I have a question for Amanda how is this a lynch mob. Have you read every thing from justice for jake and ella and seen all the stuff they have? What cruel things are being said and posted. The other side has not. Bullying what bullying? What name calling? Better guard your words. Put yourself in the family shoes. You feel bad living next to them why's that? What if that was your kid what would you do amanda? I do not live in the area but from what I read heard and what I saw on Dr phil show someone knows something. I have talked to many retired officers near me and they say the same thing most others say. They can not believe this has gone on this long. They can not believe the officers still have a job. I am close to a retired detective who is ashamed at how the seen was not taken care of. He says they give good cops a bad name.

Stop It

The English teachers in Castalia need to be replaced.

lmalley77

CtWhalers....your comment is spot on!!.....Somebody is covering for somebody else!!...There is no reason why both of them should have failed the lie detector test!....It seems the third party is the weak link, since he lawyered up and is refusing to talk!!.....I bet if they interrogate him, he would be the first to budge. The other two are playing Russian roulette with their freedom!....They think they can cover a lie forever...it only takes one big slip up!....Brittany already contradicted herself when she first said, "I heard a loud bang, so I turned and looked at the window area of my kitchen, and I expected to just see a bullet in the wall, but Instead I saw Jake on the floor!" Then she later says she did see Jake shoot himself....sooooooo if she saw him do it, why would she have turned her head expecting to "only see a bullet in the wall??"......Its not rocket science, but science and truth don't lie!...why would Jake yell out to them, " be careful, there's one still in the chamber," and then pick up the gun and "accidentally commit suicide!" It was Jakes gun, he was an adult and he had experience both handling that gun and firing it!...I find it hard to believe he would warn his friends to be careful and then pick up the gun and shoot himself!!..They also admit Jake wasn't drinking but they were...who would be more likely to have an accident happen, a sober firearms collector or a couple of drunk teens!?!?!?...It also seems that they feel untouchable right now, Brittany posting that she's laughing in Florida....I bet she is!!.. If you still think Jake killed himself by "accidental suicide," ask your self these questions. 1) Why would Jake do this when he was looking for a new home with his girlfriend the day before and the day of the shooting. 2) He loved his daughter so much, why would he cause her this kind of pain
3) There weren't any outward problems that Jake was dealing with, he was happy with his girlfriend and his daughter, his life! 4) why did the coroner not come to the scene of the accident and investigate it himself before ruling it an "accidental suicide?" 5) Why would the coroner, who never came to the scene, not do an autopsy to check for consistencies with the stories the witnesses were documented saying THAT night? 6) Why were NONE of the witnesses hands or clothing tested for gun powder residue? 7) Why were witnesses, specifically Brittany, allowed to change their bloody clothing and not give it to the police to match up blood splatter patterns? 8) Why were the witnesses shoes thrown away? 9) What is the third witness hiding that he had to lawyer up?...Makes one wonder if he is the real shooter or is he covering for one of the other two? 10) Why was the bullet that killed Jake not taken from the ceiling where it lodged, for weeks upon weeks? 11) How do two people who SWEAR they are telling the truth, end up failing a polygraph test!?!?!....It doesn't make sense!!...Need to get some real detectives working this case, not the boggled ones from Sandusky county, REAL ones...ones who will know how to break these liars down into telling the truth!!..And whomever said that this is all about name calling and bullying, you are mistaken sweety!!...The J4J page and the register have spoke nothing but the TRUTH!...Every piece of evidence (some of what I mentioned above), every obvious lack of police work in Sandusky county, it is all the truth. There is no name calling or cursing, it is informative and if you actually took the time to look into the cause and read into the evidence, you would see this isn't as much an open shut case as the "witnesses" and Sandusky county would like us all to believe!!....Somebody knows the truth, I just wonder if they all do, or did one tell the other two a story that happened when they weren't looking, so the other two just assume that must be how it happened?!?!?...I hope everyone gets answers soon, it wouldn't be justice for Jake or Ella if this gets swept under the rug AGAIN!!!! #justiceforjakeandella

dorothy gale

All very good questions. I believe the evidence that hasn't been destroyed or covered up shows that he did not kill himself. Everyone involved in the original investigation, or should I say NON-investigation, needs to be relieved of their job.

red white and blue

Stop it I'm not from castalia but I sure am glad you are here to check everyone's spelling.oh and they are facts apparently you don't read or watch any of the video I don't know any of these people yet how much more prof do u want to get it investigated.

A Young Adult's...

I apologize, I know I'm not your English teacher. When you call people dumb and ridicule them for simple opinions, you open yourself up to criticism concerning elementary spelling and grammar skills.

princedenny

Let me first say that I know very little about the case other than Jake died from a gunshot wound, the Sandusky County Sherriff Office botched the investigation, and Jake's family, PERHAPS justifiably so, wants the death of their son to NOT be ruled a suicide.

Secondly, I know this isn't going to be a popular comment, but "if you play with fire, you're going to get burned."

As an outsider who has no connection to anyone in this matter, here is my point of view:

Jake, God rest his soul, is the one with whom MOST (if not all) of the blame should lie. He was the one who brought the gun with him to a place where he and his friend(s) planned on drinking and partying.

As a gun enthusiast and collector, HE should have been smart enough and responsible enough to realize that this wasn't a situation where a gun should have been taken, let alone fired, and he should have removed any bullets that remained in the clip once they came inside.

Quoting Dr. Phil, "his family says not only would Jake never commit suicide, but there is no way Jake would have been so careless. After all, it was his gun and he was well aware of gun safety."

If he truly was so aware of gun safety, why did he bring a loaded gun to an underage drinking party and leave a bullet in the chamber?

My sympathy goes out to the Limberiors family (and all of the others involved). However, not once during that 2 day TV "event" did either of Jake's parents put any blame on their son for being irresponsible in the first place.

This tragedy is such a juxtaposition of society today...putting the blame on someone else.

red white and blue

Once again not opionion its facts READ the facts I said it before I guess ill say it again I dont know anyone in this case or have I ever meet them.The facts are what they are sad commenters like you are on here just to create an argument

A Young Adult's...

What facts? The sad thing is because of incompetent police work, there are very few facts whatsoever. The biggest shame is, as stated by princedenny, bringing a loaded gun to an underage drinking session. The parents need to assess at least the majority of the blame to their son, hard as that may be. If the witnesses are withholding information, then they deserve this scrutiny. If not, the Limberios family is ruining their lives as well. And don't give me, "Well, the lie detector says they were being deceitful." That was the product of the way the questions were asked.

For the record, I do hope for justice to be brought upon the Sandusky County officials. It is my OPINION that it was merely an accident or misfire of the gun, with the terrible situation being compounded by shoddy work by Sandusky County.

YAWWNN

I agree, the fact is that had Jake left the gun at home, like any other responsible gun owner would have, he would be alive today.

I am a gun owner and have a CHL. I don't drink often but I can tell you that if I am going out to dinner with my wife and I'm going to even have one drink with dinner, I leave the gun at home. If I have my gun, I stick with a drink no stronger than iced tea.

pepenik99

Just a guess like everything else....they were playing with a gun...like kids do...tossing it around....now add 1 unmentioned theory.....Jake was handed the gun and like a cowboy was twilling it around on his finger and it went off in an awkward angle to his head. nobody really saw that... enter a second theory but "covered up by the participants....somebody threw the gun to him an in catching it ... it went off in an awkward angle to his head....he had yelled to be careful it still had one bullet left in the chamber and they were not careful with it.....just like kids.....

The second lie detector test was for "t.v. just like Brittany said and the "clip" of her speaking to heaven and speaking to Jake were for T.v. and did not need to be put into the program ...it was for show....and nothing else....you like pseudo Phil not me, never have, probably never will and if he heard me say that I would ask him..."does that bother you."

planb

IMO, you have to seperate the issues. Perhaps Jake made a poor decision in having the gun at the time and the place where he was. To my knowledge, there was nothing illegal about that. When it became a possible crime is the moment Jake was shot. At the time the 911 call was placed, it became the responsibility of the State (SCSO, Coroner, Prosecutor) to secure and collect the evidence, do a thorough investigation including an autopsy, and consult about charges being filed if warranted. It's clearly evident that the investigation was botched terribly at the very beginning, which caused a snowball effect of people trying to cover their butts. As for Mike and Shannon, what parent would not fight to pursue the truth after all the inconsistancies that we know about? I know I would do exactly what they are doing. Fighting for the truth for their son who can't speak and for that little girl who will one day want answers. I sincerely hope that the truth comes out, whatever direction it goes, so they can begin to heal. But right now, things just don't add up.

YAWWNN

Actually it was illegal. First of all you have to be 21 in ohio to purchase or own a handgun. I believe he was 19 which makes his possession illegal. Second, even if it was legal for him to own a handgun, it is illegal to be in possession of handgun when you are under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. So, what Jake did was illegal BEFORE he was shot.

sandtown born a...

I do believe 18 is the age where you can possess a gun but 21 to buy that gun or ammo don't make sense but a lot of laws don't you are correct that having a gun while intoxicated is illegal, from what I read jake wasn't drinking.

planb

I stand corrected. It was illegal for him to have the gun, but from what witnesses said, he was not drinking. Irregardless, he's not here to be charged and if someone else is responsible for pulling the trigger, then it needs to come out. From what I've seen, that is what everyone is asking for. A thorough investigation so the pieces fit. Thanks for clarifying. I didn't realize it was 21.

chefcap69

I'm sorry... My life is to important and to short to keep hearing all of the what if's and buts about this. Yawwnn is correct. Don't do the crime if you can't do time. Lets move on people. Sorry about the family's loss, but it could have easily been prevented in the first place if the kids would've been paying attention to the law to begin with!!! Get over it, ALREADY!!!!!!

lmalley77

Apparently you have time to sign into this webpage and leave a comment here, so don't give us the pity party about YOUR life being more important than what is going on!!...Secondly, I hope that nothing of this degree ever happens to someone who you love and care deeply for!!..Its funny how in life, the people who are born with apparent empathy issues never stop to put themselves in other people's shoes!!..If Jake had been YOUR son, regardless if he was not of the legal age to own a gun or not, would YOU just say, "OK, they say my son accidentally committed suicide, and that's OK with me!!", even though nothing points to him being suicidal, and there was not a worthy individual that investigated the incident?? If you are so tired of hearing about this, then by all means, remove yourself from the commenting section of this webpage and go on about your merry little life!...I will say again, I HOPE that you NEVER have to endure the pain that the Limberios family is going through, especially since there are sure to be other commentators on this page that will belittle your fight for justice!!...Good day!

Leopold

I looked up the Ohio laws. You can not legally have a hand gun if under 21 even if some one over 21 purchased it and gifted it to you.
So it looks like Jake was not legally able to have this gun.
It is under Ohio revised code 2923.21. So who did purchase/provide Jake with this weapon?

A Young Adult's...

Whoever did should be prosecuted.

nobodycares

after watching the program, i am pretty sure brittnay is definately hiding something ....my guess the boyfriend is covering for her and she may have shot jacob accidently....it definately needs to be investigated better.just the way she looked at will a couple of times....shes guilty as hell !!! come on girl fess up and ease the parents pain !!

Ctwhalers

You better recheck handgun law he can have a gun at 18 but can not buy it till 21. It can be given by parents. If you really look at the law there a few pages i saw on it that say different things. But besides that do not blame Jake or his parents for this. The science and evidence show someone else had to shoot Jake. So you explain to me how he shot himself with a 357 and his non dominant hand and no powder burns or stippling? oh and don't say the gun fell to the ground that doesn't make sense

A Young Adult's...

They got the initial point of entry wrong! It only makes sense, if the bullet ended up in the ceiling, that the bullet entered from the right side of his head (which everyone agrees is lower than the other wound) and exit from the left. Ctwhalers, no one is saying he did this on purpose, but if he were just messing around with the gun and it misfired, it's very possible that he could have accidentally shot himself.

Ctwhalers

explain to me how come there is no stippling or powder burns if he shot himself with a 357 that would have been shot close up as you say.. Who says it was right to left? that night when they pick the body up they said left to right. Dr wecht even said left to right. Cynthia besser said right to left. I am pretty sure Michael Baden will say left to right. oh I forgot the one in Virginia set left to right to. So who all said right to left? how do you know that the way the witnesses say he was standing is true it could have been the other way that would explain the bullet going left to right in the ceiling.who said the right wound is lower than the left wound?