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I didn't watch, did she pass the lie detector exam? Did he?
Were told a score of 4 to fail, and they scored an 8 (clearly failed)
He reacted differently than she did when told they had failed the test. I think the two questions were designed to make them fail. If they did not see what really happened, they cannot say if Jake shot himself or if someone else did and they simply do not want to say. That in and of itself would make the test questionable, in my opinion. Hearing a car backfire is similar to a gunshot sound and if one isn't looking, the person who reports a gunshot is telling the truth from their perspective, even though it's not what is the truth.
Let this be a lesson to all that playing with a gun, in any form, is russian roulette and you will lose.
Hit the nail on the head. I don't think either one of them could definitively say that Jake shot himself. Everything about it was dramatized for production value, seemingly.
Not taking sides, but I do not see any possible way these test results could lead to further discovery in any manner.
I think they would fail those 2 questions if they were the shooter as well. You are taking their word that they did not see it.
case should be reopened....both failed...this needs to be investigated further
What is reopening the case gonna do? The lie detector test is inadmissible in court. What that means is if both continue to stick to their story, no new evidence will be brought forth. The coroner should just change the death certificate, and we will see if all involved actually move on or continue making this a media circus.
Here's what I think: She(Brittany) is a sex-fueled, egotistical -sociopath who wanted to be the center of drunk-attention and picked up the gun all coy and playfully and accidentally shot Jake. This unfortunate event has merely inconvienienced her. Her slightly less "hot" loser of a boyfriend (Will) is covering for her foolishness because he is PW'd and knows he'll never score another hottie like that one. Pretty base thinking , I know...
This should probably be deleted, I know.
Will did emphatically state TWICE that "he wasn't covering up for anybody",on day 2 episode...
I think you may be on to something ;)
Where is the third witness he has never been mentioned. Why??
Kottage cat^^ the third one lawyerd up he won't talk to know one the first test they took was inconclusive this one they failed not to mention what will put on his facebook they day after jake died along with Brittany taking off to florida if anyone thinks they didn't have anything to do with it they are blind or covering for them!!! Oh and J4J!!!! And his daughter ella
Young adult and reading signs^^^ your comments are dum and make no sense they were not set up to fail if someone was shot and you were there that's something that burns in your brain you don't forget listen the audio when they talk to the detective
this is an opinion, not fact, rw&b. you need to learn how to spell before calling anyone dumb. they did not see it and they cannot say it is what happened. try again.
If I were in these kid's shoes, I'd be even more on the defensive than they are. And I'd certainly be filing a defamation of character suit against several media outlets and the "justice for jake" facebook page. The absolutely cruel things that are being said should not be said in public forums. Have your own opinion, fine, but guard your words lest you do more harm. Its shameful and I feel bad for even living near all of you and your lynch mob mentality. Not only did they witness a friend's death, they have been belittled, berated and have been vilified by their community. Have we really reached the point in society where bullying and name calling is so entertaining to people? Shame on you all.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't work in the current media market. I agree though, it seems like he killed himself until proven otherwise.
You obviously don't believe in science!
Actually, once you put yourself on national television and in the media, the bar is set much higher to prove defamation. The criteria for defamation when someone has achieved celebrity status is much different than for the average joe. Once they were put on the Dr. Phil show, all bets were off.
Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.
The concept of the "public figure" is broader than celebrities and politicians. A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of publicity, even though that person did not want or invite the public attention. For example, people accused of high profile crimes may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established, on the basis that the notoriety associated with the case and the accusations against them turned them into involuntary public figures.
Shame on you for expecting ANYONE to believe what they are saying. They deserve all the treatment they are getting. Tell the truth and this will be over.
It seems like neither of these 2 kids actually seen jacob put the gun to his head and pull the trigger, from what I heard watching DR Phil. Could someone of dropped the gun and it went off? The bullet is in the ceiling. Therefore the shot came from down low!
I have a question for Amanda how is this a lynch mob. Have you read every thing from justice for jake and ella and seen all the stuff they have? What cruel things are being said and posted. The other side has not. Bullying what bullying? What name calling? Better guard your words. Put yourself in the family shoes. You feel bad living next to them why's that? What if that was your kid what would you do amanda? I do not live in the area but from what I read heard and what I saw on Dr phil show someone knows something. I have talked to many retired officers near me and they say the same thing most others say. They can not believe this has gone on this long. They can not believe the officers still have a job. I am close to a retired detective who is ashamed at how the seen was not taken care of. He says they give good cops a bad name.
The English teachers in Castalia need to be replaced.
CtWhalers....your comment is spot on!!.....Somebody is covering for somebody else!!...There is no reason why both of them should have failed the lie detector test!....It seems the third party is the weak link, since he lawyered up and is refusing to talk!!.....I bet if they interrogate him, he would be the first to budge. The other two are playing Russian roulette with their freedom!....They think they can cover a lie forever...it only takes one big slip up!....Brittany already contradicted herself when she first said, "I heard a loud bang, so I turned and looked at the window area of my kitchen, and I expected to just see a bullet in the wall, but Instead I saw Jake on the floor!" Then she later says she did see Jake shoot himself....sooooooo if she saw him do it, why would she have turned her head expecting to "only see a bullet in the wall??"......Its not rocket science, but science and truth don't lie!...why would Jake yell out to them, " be careful, there's one still in the chamber," and then pick up the gun and "accidentally commit suicide!" It was Jakes gun, he was an adult and he had experience both handling that gun and firing it!...I find it hard to believe he would warn his friends to be careful and then pick up the gun and shoot himself!!..They also admit Jake wasn't drinking but they were...who would be more likely to have an accident happen, a sober firearms collector or a couple of drunk teens!?!?!?...It also seems that they feel untouchable right now, Brittany posting that she's laughing in Florida....I bet she is!!.. If you still think Jake killed himself by "accidental suicide," ask your self these questions. 1) Why would Jake do this when he was looking for a new home with his girlfriend the day before and the day of the shooting. 2) He loved his daughter so much, why would he cause her this kind of pain
3) There weren't any outward problems that Jake was dealing with, he was happy with his girlfriend and his daughter, his life! 4) why did the coroner not come to the scene of the accident and investigate it himself before ruling it an "accidental suicide?" 5) Why would the coroner, who never came to the scene, not do an autopsy to check for consistencies with the stories the witnesses were documented saying THAT night? 6) Why were NONE of the witnesses hands or clothing tested for gun powder residue? 7) Why were witnesses, specifically Brittany, allowed to change their bloody clothing and not give it to the police to match up blood splatter patterns? 8) Why were the witnesses shoes thrown away? 9) What is the third witness hiding that he had to lawyer up?...Makes one wonder if he is the real shooter or is he covering for one of the other two? 10) Why was the bullet that killed Jake not taken from the ceiling where it lodged, for weeks upon weeks? 11) How do two people who SWEAR they are telling the truth, end up failing a polygraph test!?!?!....It doesn't make sense!!...Need to get some real detectives working this case, not the boggled ones from Sandusky county, REAL ones...ones who will know how to break these liars down into telling the truth!!..And whomever said that this is all about name calling and bullying, you are mistaken sweety!!...The J4J page and the register have spoke nothing but the TRUTH!...Every piece of evidence (some of what I mentioned above), every obvious lack of police work in Sandusky county, it is all the truth. There is no name calling or cursing, it is informative and if you actually took the time to look into the cause and read into the evidence, you would see this isn't as much an open shut case as the "witnesses" and Sandusky county would like us all to believe!!....Somebody knows the truth, I just wonder if they all do, or did one tell the other two a story that happened when they weren't looking, so the other two just assume that must be how it happened?!?!?...I hope everyone gets answers soon, it wouldn't be justice for Jake or Ella if this gets swept under the rug AGAIN!!!! #justiceforjakeandella
All very good questions. I believe the evidence that hasn't been destroyed or covered up shows that he did not kill himself. Everyone involved in the original investigation, or should I say NON-investigation, needs to be relieved of their job.
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