UPDATE: Family called to grand jury

Jacob's girlfriend, Kayleigh Bowers, on witness stand
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Nov 19, 2013

Nov. 19, 4 p.m.: Mike Limberios was on the witness stand for about 90 minutes. The grand jury met for about an hour with just jurors and prosecutors in the hearing room without any witnesses. The grand jury is expected to return Wednesday but it's not clear if any other witnesses will be called. 

 Nov. 19, 10:30: Kayleigh Bowers, who was Jacob Limberios' girlfriend and mother of his daughter Ella was called to the grand jury hearing room this morning and testified for about 40 minutes. Shannon Limberios, Jacob's mother, was called to the witness stand immediately after Kayleigh Bowers.  

Nov. 18, 3:30 p.m.: Dr. Cyril Wecht was called to testify early this afternoon. Sandusky County sheriff's Captain Michael Meggitt was recalled to testify. He was inside the grand jury room about 15 minutes. 

Nov. 18, 5 a.m.: Dr. Cyril Wecht is expected as a witness today in front of grand jurors looking into the March 2012 killing of Jacob Limberios. Wecht conducted an autopsy in September 2012 and determined Jake was a homicide victim. Mike and Shannon Limberios, and Kayleigh Bowers, Jacob's girlfriend and mother of his daughter Ella, also are expected to testify this week.

Wecht, a renowned forensic pathologist will follow another high-profile expert as a witness. Dr. Michael Baden testified Friday. 

There's no indication any of the three witnesses inside the home with Jake when he was killed were subpoenaed. Brittany Bowers, Kayleigh's sister, and Will Lewis both appeared as guests on two "Dr. Phil" shows last week. They both failed lie detector tests during the program administered by retired FBI agent and polygraphist Jack Trimarco. 

Lewis, in a Facebook post, said the test on the Dr. Phil program was "a (expletive)-up polygraph test that isn't even admissable in court because they suck so bad." The post is profanity-laced and Lewis appears to be angry at Justice for Jake & Ella supporters, attorney Dan McGookey and the Register. The post includes information about mental anguish Lewis is suffering from as a result of the attention. 

In a message at Facebook that appears to be from Bowers, she said she was not concerned about the grand jury proceedings. "While your are all talking s**t, I'm here in Florida laughing on the beach," the post, directed at Justice for Jake & Ella supporters, states. "Good things happen to good people, guess my karma isn't all that bad." Bowers told Dr. Phil on Friday's program that she felt "set up" by him and show's producers and the polygraph results were fabricated. 

“This is for TV, right?” she asked Dr. Phil. 

“You either know something that you’re not sharing, or you don’t know what your claiming to know,” he told her.

The third witness from inside the home where Jake was killed, Evan Neidler, did not appear on the "Dr. Phil" programs. Through an attorney, he has indicated he would invoke his 5th Amendment right not to testify. 

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Nov. 15, 6 p.m.: Dr. Michael Baden testified for nearly two hours Friday. Baden was asked by the Ohio Attorney General's office to review the autopsy reports, witness statements and other materials. A former New York medical examiner, Baden told Mike and Shannon Limberios after he testified that he would be available to answer any questions they had after the grand jury finished its work. Erie County Sheriff Paul Sigsworth and Erie County chief deputy Jared Oliver also both testified on Friday. It's not clear what information Erie County officials might have about the Limberios investigation. Mike and Shannon Limberios, and Kayliegh Bowers, Jacob's girlfriend and the mother of his daughter, Ella, are likely to testify next week. Check back here for grand jury updates as they happen.  

Nov. 15, 10 a.m.: Dr. Micheal Baden, who reviewed autospy reports and witness statements for Ohio attorney general investigators, was called to the witness stand at about 10 .m.  

Nov. 14, 8:30 a.m.: It appears the grand jury will not be calling any witnesses today. 

Nov. 14, 6 a.m.: Dr. Cyril Wecht and Dr. Michael Baden both could be called as early as Friday to testify. The grand jury hearings into the death of Jacob Limberios are expected to continue into next week. Meanwhile, five witnesses appeared on the "Dr. Phil" program and two of them, Brittany Bowers and Will Lewis agreed to take lie detector tests, the results of which are to be revealed on Friday's segment. 

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Nov. 13, 1:15 p.m.: David Hughes and Scott Hughes testified after being subpoenaed by the grand jury. Their mother, Ann Hughes, also agreed to testify Wednesday. It's not clear what information the witnesses may have. The grand jury remains in session 

Nov. 12, 2: p.m. update: Coroner John Wukie testified for about 40 minutes and was excused by the grand jury. Lucas County deputy coroner Cynthia Beisser is now testifying. Beisser conducted an autopsy in June 2013 and said her findings were "not inconsistent" with Wukie's suicide ruling. 

Nov. 12, 1:18 p.m. update: Sandusky County coroner John Wukie was just called into the grand jury hearing room. 

Nov. 12, 1 p.m. update: Sandusky County coroner John Wukie is at the courthouse and apparently could be called to testify today. Three witnesses each testified, briefly, this morning, but those individuals could not be identified for this update. Speculation was they were part of the state Bureau of Criminal Identification team that assisted the Sandusky County sheriff's office during the initial stages of the investigation. Erie County deputy Jeremy Smith was called to testify after grand jurors returned from a lunch break.

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Nov. 12, 2013 update: Three witnesses gave testimony in front of the grand jury and just about 30 minutes. Other witnesses that could be called this week include Lucas County deputy coroner Cynthia Beisser, former New York medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden and Dr. Cyril Wecht. Check back here for updates. 

Nov. 11: Today is Veterans Day. No grand jury sessions are scheduled. 

Nov. 10, 1:15 p.m. update: Retired Sandusky County sheriff's detective Jim Consolo spent about about an hour on the witines stand, followed by deputy Zack Zender, who testified for about 25 minutes today. Greg Majoy, a retired Erie County sheriff's deputy who now works as a private investigator, was recalled to the witness stand after Zender testified for about 45 minutes. It appears that no other witnesses will be called today. 

Nov. 10, 11:15 p.m. update:  Detective Sean O'Connell testified for a second day for about 90 minutes. When called to testify, O'Connell was easy to find today. On Thursday, the grand jury had some trouble locating him when he was called to testify but then found O'Connell inside county prosecutor Tom Stierwalt's office. Retired sheriff's deputy Jim Consolo was called to testify immediately after O'Connell. O'Connell has in the past made disparaging remarks about Consolo, saying he was not a "team player." Sheriff's deputy Zack Zender also is at the courthouse today and appears to be waiting to be called as a witness.  

Nov. 8, 9:15 a.m update.: Sandusky County sheriff's detective Sean O'Connell was just  recalled as a witness and is inside the hearing room. O'Connnell testified for about two hours on Thursday. Also at the courthouse, retired Sandusky County sheriff's deputy Jim Consolo, who was the person Sandusky County coroner John Wukie wanted to conduct the investigation instead of O'Connell. Consolo voluntarily stepped aside, according to sheriff Kyle Overmyer, but notes exchanged between Consolo and Wukie suggest he felt pressured not to participate in the "coroner's inquest." O'Connell told the Limberios family Consolo was not "a team player," after he replaced Consolo as lead detective in November 2012. 

Nov. 7, 3:15 p.m. update: Greg Majoy, a retired Erie County sheriff's deputy who now works as a private investigator was called to the witness stand at about 3 p.m. Majoy and McConnell together own M&M Investigative Services and were hired by the Limberios family after Sandusky County sheriff Kyle Overmyer shut down the investigation in April 2012, refusing to answer the family's questions. 

Nov. 7, 2:05 p.m. update: A grand jury heard testimony from Sandusky County sheriff's detective Sean O'Connell for about two hours today. O'Connell initially could not be found when he was called to the stand at about 11:15 a.m., but was later located in Sandusky County prosecutor Tom Stierwalt's office. Brent McConnell, a former Huron Police Department employee who works as a private investigator was called to testify at about 2 p.m. (Note: the witnesses name was incorrect in this post earlier.)

Nov. 7, 12:15 p.m. update A Sandusky County grand jury is in its third day of proceedings, with Sandusky County sheriff's detectives on the witness stand today for the last hour.

Sheriff's captain Sean O'Connell was called in at about 11:15 a.m. today. He took over the investigation one year ago today, after county coroner John Wukie launched a coroner's inquest when questions about the competency of the sheriff's investigation persisted. O'Connell initially told the Limberios family he believed Jake was shot by one of the witnesses in the home, but later concurred with the findings of earlier investigations that Jacob Limberios shot himself on March 2, 2012.

Wukie wanted Sandusky County sheriff's detective Jim Consolo to conduct the coroner's inquest, but sheriff Kyle Overmyer said Consolo chose not to be involved. Notes between Consolo and Wukie suggest Consolo felt pressured to step aside.

Brady Gasser, a friend of Jacob Limberios and a founder of the Justice for Jake & Ella Facebook page testified earlier on Thursday for about an hour. Gasser was talking with Jacob on the phone just minutes before Jacob was killed and he has taken strong issue with how Sandusky County deputies and Wukie handled the multiple investigations that occurred.   

Nov. 4, 3:15 p.m. update: Sandusky County sheriff Kyle Overmyer just called into grand jury.  Overmyer testified for about 15 minutes. 

Nov. 4, 2 p.m. update: A grand jury that convened this morning is interviewing one of the deputies — Mario Cavillo — who was first to arrive March 2, 2012, the night Jacob Limberios was killed. 

"He's been in there for about an hour," said Christine Wiedle, a Limberios family friend and a founder of the Justice for Jake & Ella Facebook page. 

Wiedle, who is stationed at the Sandusky County Courthouse, said Sandusky County sheriff Kyle Overmyer arrived at about 1:30 p.m. and appears to be getting ready to be called as a witness. Wiedle said several other deputies also are at the courthouse and appear to be waiting to testify. 

Cavillo, deputy Robert Arp and sheriff's captain Michael Meggitt arrived first at the York Township home after a frantic 911 call.  

Nov 4, 6 a.m. original post:

A grand jury is set to convene today to review the Ohio Attorney General's investigation into the death of Jacob Limberios on March 2, 2012. 

Click HERE for a 'Who's who' list of potential grand jury witnesses

The grand jury proceedings, which could last several weeks, are a far cry from the original finding in April 2012 by Sandusky County sheriff Kyle Overmyer's office. The final report written by deputies contained just 59 words: 

"Dispatch advised of a shooting that occurred at the above location involving a male subject. Upon arrival, scene was secured and EMS was cleared to enter residence. County coroner was contacted. After interviewing witnesses and investigation, deceased died from a self inflicted gunshot wound and from witness statements deceased may not have realized that the firearm was still loaded."

More than 20 months after he was killed, there's been speculation that up to 100 witnesses could be called, including famed forensic pathologists Dr. Cyril Wecht and Dr. Michael Baden.

Brittany Bowers, Will Lewis and Evan Neidler also likely were subpoenaed. They were inside the York Township home when Jake was killed. 

Bowers and Lewis also appeared as guests on the "Dr. Phil" program for segments of the talk show about the Limberios story scheduled to air Nov. 14-15. Check back here for updates on air dates. The Register will provide a link to the programs when they become available. 

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Comments

WeThePeople1965

Sorry to the family and those affected, but we live in a corrupt area, corrupt state, god, even a corrupt country. I'm afraid this will be a cold case for a very long time.

Chris vanscoy

big dad and mike, you guys are 100% correct. it's acceptable to shoot people in the head and lie about it. sandusky county can't be blamed for being lazy on a friday night, they had better stuff to do other than investigate a shady crime scene involving a 19 year old father dead who suddenly decided he didn't want to live (must have been sometime between the fifteen minutes i last spoke to him) with three others in their early twenties who were intoxicated. Hey it's not a big deal they're out on the streets right now as we speak. It's just murder and somebody else's life. I feel really bad about the extra money you tax payers have to pay for this...it's dumb I know. Who cares about a human life? (That was all sarcasm if you didn't catch onto it) You people make me sick.

mikesee

Chris, no where nor at any time did I say it is acceptable to shoot someone in the head. From the start I have merely said show me the evidence from an IMPARTIAL source. I have also said that this is a tragic incident as well as questioned why in the world Jake would take a loaded gun to a place where there were people drinking, possibly he himself included, and show this loaded weapon to strangers as well as let them handle it.

bigdad1205

I never said it was alright I just said the outcome will be that there isnt enough evidence to do anything (unless of course they get 1 of the 3 to change their story). And while they may say the Sheriffs messed it up nothing will happen(except a reprimand and a letter in a file). Is that right I dont believe so however it is that way it is. Will this case make for a change in the law for the way shootings have to be investigated and coroners have to handle things? I hope it does

Chris vanscoy

these people disgrace a brother of mine and you come on here talking about tax money? sandusky county law enforcement and those kids are all a pathetic excuse for human beings along with you nay sayers on here. go comment on an article you know more about

Commenter

Chris. You are very personally involved. Most people reading this are not. It's a story in the newspaper. I understand you frustration, emotion and grief. But don't lower yourself to making sarcastic comments. Be mature. It's better to say nothing than to get all sarcastic.

Simple Enough II

What if your conclusion is clouded by your personal relationship with Jake? What if the grand jury comes back and says the investigation was average and the findings stand?

Chris vanscoy

I don't expect you people to understand if you didn't know Jacob Limberios. If the grand jury can't find probable cause for an indictment with all of the evidence given I would be speechless. Although, I don't need a grand jury or BCI to tell me what happened that night. I know the most important thing that didn't happen that night and it is that he did not take his own life accidently or on purpose. Thank the three kids who were there that night whose simple lies opened up my foolish eyes to believe my friend would do something like that.

Simple Enough II

Okay, Chris, what happen? What went down? You tell us.

chefcap69

What if none of us just really don't give a s%*t anymore?? Really... GET OVER IT!!!!

sandtown born a...

So you were there? Your comments always make me feel the same way, your one of the three

starryeyes83

spoken like a college kid whose parents pay his way, it's different when you pay your own way which includes property taxes.

How many of you buds were walking around the death scene right afterward and contaminating it?

mikesee

So they have put people on the stand who were not even a witness to the incident? Grasping?

Simple Enough II

I wondered about that also, what do they have to offer in the way of evidence?

Seen it All

My common sense take on that would be to get an idea of Jake's frame of mind the hours, days before his "suicide". After all, that is what Sandusky county ruled it as, and is what has started this entire thing to begin with. Try to keep up, I know it may be hard when headlines are all that you read.

mikesee

Well Seen it all I do read all of the articles.

Seen it All

Sorry, that comment wasn't for you. But since you did ask if they were "grasping?", I have to wonder if you think the J4J crowd is conducting this grand jury. It is the attorney generals office, and they obviously found something wrong with the first investigation to warrant their own and obviously found something suspicious for them to convene this grand jury. And I would HOPE they are doing a thorough job, unlike Sandusky county.

Stop It

J4J&E...

justsaying..

From what i heard in statements, he was drinking the night before too. Sooo hes underage drinking, and riding around with a handgun? Thats two crimes right there. Where was ella?? Im sorry for your loss, but life sucks. This isnt going to bring him back. Im sure if the grand jury comes to no answer you like, there crooked too. Cops are human, mistakes and stupidness will always happen. You can pay anyone and get the answers you want. I lived to be thirty by not drinking and playing with guns....justsaying...

starryeyes83

Yep, not to mention he was on strong medication for depression.

justsaying..

From what i heard in statements, he was drinking the night before too. Sooo hes underage drinking, and riding around with a handgun? Thats two crimes right there. Where was ella?? Im sorry for your loss, but life sucks. This isnt going to bring him back. Im sure if the grand jury comes to no answer you like, there crooked too. Cops are human, mistakes and stupidness will always happen. You can pay anyone and get the answers you want. I lived to be thirty by not drinking and playing with guns....justsaying...

mamaC

Justsaying.. You are misinformed.. First if your referring to the night before (3/1/12) you are VERY WRONG! He was out with Ella & Kayleigh & his parents looking at a house they were thinking of buying. If your spewing that Jake was drinking before getting into the van to go to that house on 3/2/12 YOUR are also WRONG! Unfortunately your correct on Jake not coming back and his parents are well aware of this. As for the Grand Jury coming back with answers they don't like, I find it very hard to believe that a Jury with any common sense would ever come back saying this was an accidental suicide. As far as paying people for answers you want... Well your once again WRONG! Beisser ( Sandusky County coroner autopsy) found NO STIPPLING or GUN shot residue! Family had nothing to do with that one... Another medical examiner review this and he did it for free and found it was not suicide! Wait.. and the AG office had another one look at it and here we are at a Grand Jury..! It takes no rocket scientist to figure this out but,,, I would not think the state of Ohio would waste all this money on cops that are lazy,mistakes or any BS if they felt it was. If it was your child you just wouldn't be "Justsaying" Life Sucks as an answer! To stay up to date on facts along with audio proof Find Justice for Jake & Ella on Facebook or the website at www.Justice4Jakeandella.com! Before you go making accusations you better have facts.

justsaying..

The audio from that site said he was drinking the night before. Thats where the half a case he had when he got into the van came from. The audio also said they had drinks the night of the shooting. Soooo im confused??

Commenter

Mama C - as I said to Chris on a previous comment you seem very personally involved so it is emotional for you. For anyone emotionally close to something this tragic it is natural to be defensive in the response. Some of us that read and comment only know what we read in the newspaper or see on other online sites and some of us don't have the time invested to see all the details that are available. Let the facts speak for themselves and hope that the AG and Grand Jury do their job and hope that something good can come out of this by not letting it happen to anyone else and not just Sandusky County but ALL law enforcement agencies have a better standard of investigating incidents such as these. There are many if you read that have botched investigations.

starryeyes83

Buying a house? I was told in no uncertain terms (in a reply ) that he couldn't even afford to buy life insurance at the age of 19.

How was he going to buy a house? Some of these extra pieces of information just aren't making much sense.

WeThePeople1965

What's that kids name that was at the scene but wasn't on Dr. Phil? Wasn't his grandfather a police chief or sheriff quite a while ago in Sandusky county? Do you know where I'm going with this? It's all about who you know. It's such a taboo subject, getting favorable treatment because of connections, but it happens.

Commenter

I hope that everyone gets answers they are looking for.

Commenter

I hope that everyone gets answers they are looking for.

Simple Enough II

We still have new books coming out about JFK's assassination and it has been how many years?

A Young Adult's...

I can't help but be annoyed when people say "he was drinking and playing with a gun, so what." Sure, he shouldn't have been drinking. Sure, he shouldn't have had the gun. Do these facts make this tragedy an less awful? Resoundingly, no!

I am 100% impartial and have no idea what happened that night. All I know is these people have a right to exhaust every avenue to determine what exactly happened. Those criticizing the family for trying must be the type to whine about their problems but not address them. Good luck in your quest Limberios family and friends.

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