UPDATED WITH VIDEO: Dr. Phil weighs in

Witnesses in Limberios killing interviewed by talk program psychologist; take lie detector tests
Register
Sep 28, 2013

The "Dr. Phil" television program wrapped up five days of production and will air a program about the killing of Jacob Limberios.

Producers from "Dr. Phil" came to the village of Castalia on Saturday and interviewed Mike and Shannon Limberios, Jacob's parents, and others, for more than 17 hours at their home and later visited the York Township home where Jacob was killed March 2, 2012. They also went to the cemetery and the Ransom Funeral Home, located just five parcels away from the Limberios home. 

Mike and Shannon Limberios were flown to California on Tuesday for a taping of the program in front of a live audience.

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"There were two different audiences," Mike Limberios told the Register on Wednesday evening, moments after getting off the program stage at the "Dr. Phil" studio in Los Angeles and stepping outside. "A lot's been happening. I'm pretty well spent." 

Brittany Bowers and Will Lewis, two of three witnesses inside the home when Jake was killed, also were flown to California and interviewed extensively by the show's host, Dr. Phil McGraw, a forensic psychologist, about what they remembered about the moments during which the 19-year-old was killed.

Bowers and Lewis have maintained that Jake shot himself with a .357 Magnum revolver Jake brought with him that night, which was planned as a social gathering with Brittany, his girlfriend's sister, to meet and get to know her boyfriend, Will. A third man, Evan Neidler, also attended the gathering. All four fired the gun in the backyard of the home before coming inside and flipping on the TV to watch "Jersey Shore." 

They watched the program just briefly — drinking beers and some alcohol — before Jacob was suddenly dead on the living room floor, in a pool of blood with a bullet into his head, and out, lodged in the ceiling after it ripped through his brain and was left there by deputies.

Dr. Cyril Wecht, a renowned pathologist with a pack of past celebrity casework, also was a guest on "Dr. Phil." Wecht conducted an autopsy in September 2012 — six months after Jake was killed — and told the Register that — without any logical doubt — Jacob was the victim of homicide.   

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine took over the investigation in June after a judge ruled Sandusky County officials had "conflicts of interest." DeWine has asked Dr. Michael Baden, another renowned forensic pathologist, to review the autopsy findings. 

Mike Limberios and family attorney Dan McGookey said Dr. Phil asked Brittany and Will if they'd take another another lie detector test, and both agreed. McGookey said Dr. Phil introduced the show's polygraphist — a lie detector expert — as having a stellar reputation. 

"The questions Brittany and Will agreed to answer were 'Did Jacob shoot himself' and "Did you see Jacob shoot himself,'" McGookey said. 

The state's Bureau of Criminal Investigation, BCI, which works for the Ohio AG's office, conducted lie detectors in early 2012 and found both Brittany and Will to be truthful in the statements they made about how Jake died. 

But those test results, and the testing methodology used, have been intensely questioned by experts, McGookey said, and found to be wrong.

He predicted Dr. Phil's expert would also reach that conclusion, he said. 

Sandusky County Sheriff Kyle Overmyer and deputies determined almost immediately on March 2, 2012, that Jake shot himself. They called Sandusky County coroner John Wukie and told him that. Wukie ruled Jake's death a suicide, noting on the death certificate it might have been accidental. He never visited the home where Jake was killed and didn't order an autopsy until 14 months later, only after the family asked Wecht for help. 

Wecht conducted an autopsy and returned the body to Castalia Cemetery the same day it was exhumed. 

Lucas County deputy coroner Cynthia Beisser conducted the autopsy for Wukie, holding the body for about a week, and returning it on Mother's Day earlier this year. 

Beisser, in an email to Sandusky County officials, agreed with Wukie's determination, the one he was provided by the sheriff and deputies. She said her findings "were not inconsistent" with the narrative the sheriff and deputies provided. 

Comments

tiredofthecrap

Why did he bring a hand gun to a party?

starryeyes83

Why did he bring a "loaded" gun to the party?

Was there little kids around?

Slacker

No, Ella was not at the party that night. She was with Mike and Shannon, her grandparents.

starryeyes83

I posted kid (s) , plural. Why would you think I only meant his daughter?

tiredofthecrap

as hard as I try I cant get past the fact that if he wouldn't of brought a gun to a party he would still be here today and none of this would be going on. What in the hell was he thinking?

gramafun

Is it wise to do a "TV show" with a state investigation" going on? I would think that the family would do nothing right now that would impact anything the state is investigating.

It seems rather silly to say or do anything that would have an impact of importance on what you asked the AG to do for you by going to Dr Phil with this.

Slacker

Easy for you to say. Ever been through anything this gut wrenching for over 18 months!

Detrain

The gun was there cause one of the boys wanted to buy it. As far as DR Phil show that is not gonna hurt the investigation. It might shed light on something they may be missing. Like I said before I respect your guys opinion but you keep repeating the same thing over and over but have not showed any evidence on your side

gramafun

evidence of what, may I ask?

Detrain

That you guys say jake shot himself. We can show he did not. You talk about all this stuff but you guys never back it up with evidence for the other side. This is not directed to you gramafun but to all that post on here with there comments that say other wise to our cause.

lmalley77

Am I mistaken, or did I read somewhere that Brittany stated at one time, "on the night of the murder"......If it was an accident, and they say Jake shot himself accidentally, why would she use the word "murder"???....I say lock all the suspects in separate rooms and interrogate them using fear tactics to the point that they are willing to give up the right shooter to save their own Azzes!!

lmalley77

Sorry...I guess I should have used the word "witnesses" instead of suspects...cuz boy oh boy, that's the ONLY thing people will actually get out of my statement is the fact that they were "witnesses" and not "suspects"!!....Also, if it is found and proven that someone else pulled that trigger, whether accidentally or not, that person needs to be prosecuted, as well as the other two "witnesses" for all of the lying and covering up they have done for the past 19 months!!

Truth or Dare

What kind of doctor asks if it's okay to rape a drunk girl? One that understands just exactly what a rhetorical question is! By the way, was that one of the questions asked of a rapist from Stuebenville, another miscarriage of justice that found it's way to the State Capitol, DeWine's office, national attention and the Dr. Phil show?! Wonder how the investigation of the investigators is going? Any word on that one SR?

I often wonder how folks pick their names here, cause there is no 2Timothy 1-7, unless you're reading a different book! There is however a I Timothy 1-6, a II Timothy 1-4. For the Limberios family and Friends, this must be a test of grace, humility, of all the gifts of God's Spirit we're to seek and ask for. What justice could there be here? How about the oxymoron of a Death Certificate be changed? Simple enough, right? How about our reps. and State not even hesitate one moment to pass Jake's Law, you know, to better protect all Ohioans and their families from such things!

On that note, good ole doc Phil....aside from his other degrees, he did earn and possesses a PH.D in clinical psychology, specializing in the RESEARCH aspect of the science. Unless of course our schools of higher education have a tendency to hand such things out willy-nilly? The human brain/mind, what an amazing organ, eh?

Our U.S. Supreme Court has delayed any ruling on the topic of lie detector tests being admissible in a court of law. Way I see it, if they can't bring themselves to rule, not a one should be admissible! See United States vs. Sheffer 523 U.S. 303 (1998). Why? Evidence in regards to the validity of polygraph testing cases, "indicates that strategies used to beat polygraph examinations, so-called counter measures may be effective. Counter measures include simple physical movements, psychological intervention (e.g. manipulating subject's beliefs about the test), and the use of pharmacological agents that alter arousal patterns. DESPITE THE LACK OF GOOD RESEARCH VALIDATING POLYGRAPH TESTS, efforts are ongoing to develop and assess new approaches". That was 1998, this is 2013 and an old test from the 50's was used and depended upon? Really? The results of any of these tests may be "inconclusive", what isn't is the fact that;

1. NO investigation was conducted
2. Evidence was destroyed.
3. SC Coroner ruled over the phone, never personally showing up at the scene of the "accidental suicide.
4. An autopsy request was denied.
5. All of the above have been supported BY THE LOCAL COUNTY GOVERNMENT/PROSECUTORS OFFICE AND THE JUDICIAL BENCH, UNTIL OTHERWISE FIRED OR REMOVED DUE TO A HUGE ARSE CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!!

Forgive my lack of gracefulness!

Thoughts and prayers of strength, courage and perseverance remain with the Limberios Family and Friends. Rest assured, the sign is staying in the yard and phone calls will continue to be made. God Bless!

dontcare

What???

Ithink

I would like to know how the mother (whose house this happened at) of both Brittany and Kayleigh, and grandmother of Ella, can look herself in the mirror knowing what her daughter Brittany witnessed and kept from the police. Huh, Kerri?

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