UPDATED WITH VIDEO: Dr. Phil weighs in

Witnesses in Limberios killing interviewed by talk program psychologist; take lie detector tests
Register
Sep 28, 2013

The "Dr. Phil" television program wrapped up five days of production and will air a program about the killing of Jacob Limberios.

Producers from "Dr. Phil" came to the village of Castalia on Saturday and interviewed Mike and Shannon Limberios, Jacob's parents, and others, for more than 17 hours at their home and later visited the York Township home where Jacob was killed March 2, 2012. They also went to the cemetery and the Ransom Funeral Home, located just five parcels away from the Limberios home. 

Mike and Shannon Limberios were flown to California on Tuesday for a taping of the program in front of a live audience.

Watch Between the Lines with Mike Limberios talking about the experience in the player below

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"There were two different audiences," Mike Limberios told the Register on Wednesday evening, moments after getting off the program stage at the "Dr. Phil" studio in Los Angeles and stepping outside. "A lot's been happening. I'm pretty well spent." 

Brittany Bowers and Will Lewis, two of three witnesses inside the home when Jake was killed, also were flown to California and interviewed extensively by the show's host, Dr. Phil McGraw, a forensic psychologist, about what they remembered about the moments during which the 19-year-old was killed.

Bowers and Lewis have maintained that Jake shot himself with a .357 Magnum revolver Jake brought with him that night, which was planned as a social gathering with Brittany, his girlfriend's sister, to meet and get to know her boyfriend, Will. A third man, Evan Neidler, also attended the gathering. All four fired the gun in the backyard of the home before coming inside and flipping on the TV to watch "Jersey Shore." 

They watched the program just briefly — drinking beers and some alcohol — before Jacob was suddenly dead on the living room floor, in a pool of blood with a bullet into his head, and out, lodged in the ceiling after it ripped through his brain and was left there by deputies.

Dr. Cyril Wecht, a renowned pathologist with a pack of past celebrity casework, also was a guest on "Dr. Phil." Wecht conducted an autopsy in September 2012 — six months after Jake was killed — and told the Register that — without any logical doubt — Jacob was the victim of homicide.   

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine took over the investigation in June after a judge ruled Sandusky County officials had "conflicts of interest." DeWine has asked Dr. Michael Baden, another renowned forensic pathologist, to review the autopsy findings. 

Mike Limberios and family attorney Dan McGookey said Dr. Phil asked Brittany and Will if they'd take another another lie detector test, and both agreed. McGookey said Dr. Phil introduced the show's polygraphist — a lie detector expert — as having a stellar reputation. 

"The questions Brittany and Will agreed to answer were 'Did Jacob shoot himself' and "Did you see Jacob shoot himself,'" McGookey said. 

The state's Bureau of Criminal Investigation, BCI, which works for the Ohio AG's office, conducted lie detectors in early 2012 and found both Brittany and Will to be truthful in the statements they made about how Jake died. 

But those test results, and the testing methodology used, have been intensely questioned by experts, McGookey said, and found to be wrong.

He predicted Dr. Phil's expert would also reach that conclusion, he said. 

Sandusky County Sheriff Kyle Overmyer and deputies determined almost immediately on March 2, 2012, that Jake shot himself. They called Sandusky County coroner John Wukie and told him that. Wukie ruled Jake's death a suicide, noting on the death certificate it might have been accidental. He never visited the home where Jake was killed and didn't order an autopsy until 14 months later, only after the family asked Wecht for help. 

Wecht conducted an autopsy and returned the body to Castalia Cemetery the same day it was exhumed. 

Lucas County deputy coroner Cynthia Beisser conducted the autopsy for Wukie, holding the body for about a week, and returning it on Mother's Day earlier this year. 

Beisser, in an email to Sandusky County officials, agreed with Wukie's determination, the one he was provided by the sheriff and deputies. She said her findings "were not inconsistent" with the narrative the sheriff and deputies provided. 

Comments

sandusky2012

why didnt they ask the sandusky county clowns to be there?

NotAboutMe

Air date?

local man

Please let us know prior to the air date when this show will be televised

registerer

Those of us who work will not be able to watch this program as it is on before 5pm.

Slacker

Unless of course we actually use the DVR or VCR that are in 95% of our households.

registerer

Yet they can't afford food for their kids or gasoline to drive to a job. Yes, thats it, pay for all the extras and not the actual needs.

44846GWP

And your comments have what to do with this story????????

Unassumer

would definitely like to see the show.

gramafun

oh,I want to see that show. Would be very interesting to see the outcome. Did they interview the last person involved? If not, why not? How about the rest of the people (the sheriff, etc)? Why didn't they get their side of this? Did they refuse to comment? Interesting as to what Phil will say about all this? When will this air? After the investigation of the AG, I suppose. WOW.

Ithink

The other people did not want to be involved?! What's that say? Air date will be announced on Justice for Jake and Ella facebook page.

donutshopguy

Can this situation become any more of a circus? Has everyone received their 15 minutes of fame? Has the National Enquirer completed a in depth story? Can we include an alien element to heighten the excitement?

Common Sense

If this were your son, would you not stop at anything to determine the truth in light of all the errors committed by the Sandusky County officials?
I am not saying that "Dr. Phil" and his team will resolve it, but justice in this neck of the woods seems to be moving very slowly in light of the fact that three others were present, yet the investigators did little to nothing. It seemed lie it was a rush deal to get the case closed.

SamAdams

Yes, I would want to know the truth. At the same time, there comes a point where you have to ACCEPT the truth, whether you like it or not. I don't know if that point has been reached here yet simply because there have been so many inconsistencies reported. I'm just making the note since the Limberios family don't seem inclined to consider any other resolution but what they believe — what they WANT to believe — happened.

Ithink

The family simply asked that the death certificate be changed so that the oxymoron did not stay. It was either suicide (doubtful), or an accident. Can't be both. A simple answer was all they sought, yet had doors slammed in their face. That is when things began to not add up. I would not accept an oxymoron as the cause of death for my dog, let alone my child!!!

deertracker

Agreed! These people would not either yet they are TIRED of it because it is not their kid. Very hypocritical!

registerer

I agree donutshopguy!

starryeyes83

Does Phil have genuine credentials? Last time I read he did not.

Just saying.

registerer

Agreed! Dr Phil is just another mouth piece.

Factitious

No.

B.A., psychology
M.A., experimental psychology
Ph.D. clinical psychology
+ post-doctoral work in psychology

Slacker

A mouthpiece with over 1 million viewers. Hopefully this attention will make the wheels of Justice spin a bit faster. The family has suffered long enough.

Informed

Yes, he does. He has a PhD in Clinical Psychology.

Don Lee

Let an actual psychologist put it in easy-to-understand terms: http://everydaypsychology.com/20...

Centauri

This is what Dr. Phil says about himself:

http://www.drphil.com/shows/page...
"Dr. McGraw earned a B.A. from Midwestern State University and an M.A. and a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the University of North Texas, which was followed by a year of postdoctoral training in Forensic Psychology at The Wilmington Institute. Dr. McGraw was a licensed psychologist in the State of Texas and practiced clinical psychology, where he developed a multimodal treatment protocol for chronic pain patients. With his training and interest in forensic psychology, Dr. McGraw founded CSI (Courtroom Sciences, Inc.), a consulting firm specializing in litigation strategies performing a wide variety of forensic activities. After 25 years, he retired from practice as a licensed psychologist to devote full time to his educational media platform."

Factitious

Perhaps he technically can't hold himself out as a psychologist in CA because he isn't currently practicing, but given his credentials, to claim he's not qualified is absurd. Oh, wait, it was on the Interweb; it must be true.

Don is confusing his charlatans. Perhaps he would think "Dr. Laura" is the fraud. Her doctorate is in physiology, and she appears to have no degree in psychology.

starryeyes83

He is not currently licensed anywhere. I do recall as he was close to getting into legal hot water over the Brittany Spears thing. That was on the news shows. Matters naught to me, as I don't watch his show or hold to much merit what on a pop psychologist says, and I've never heard of Dr. Laura.

Although, Dr. Ruth was pretty entertaining years ago, but, she was a real doctor.

Factitious

Probably not, depending on what you mean by "real" doctor.

She did some some pretty credible post-doctoral work in human sexuality, but her masters was in sociology, not psychology, and her doctorate was a "Doctor of Education" from Teachers College, Columbia University. Her career as a "sexologist" does not appear to be one of a practicing therapist, but rather, one of an entertainer, that launched on a radio talk show.

To review -- You said, "Does Phil have genuine credentials? Last time I read he did not."

I replied [that Dr. Phil has]:

B.A., psychology
M.A., experimental psychology
Ph.D. clinical psychology
+ post-doctoral work in psychology

FYI, it appears he earned that clinical psychology doctorate in 1979. I have no doubt that that's the "last time you read."

starryeyes83

I was too young in '79 ... to even care. So there shoots your "theory". He's a TV personality out for ratings and that's all.

Feel free to copy and paste, till your little heart's content

registerer

All of that "professional" learning he had but the dumbazz asks:

"Dr. Phil Asks If It's OK To Have Sex With Drunk Girls!"

What kind of medical professional asks that?

What kind of person in general asks that???

44846GWP

Dr. Phil has several degrees, its easy to look up.

Ms.Psych101

Whether or not Dr. Phil has "genuine credentials" he's still helped people more than hurt, which is a lot more than anyone can say that they have done, as far as on Dr. Phil's level. He's still around, so he MUST be doing something right. And, if this family felt the need to go on his show for some type of solace for their tragedy, more power to them, especially if he in some way was/is able to help them find answers, AND since they're not questioning his credentials, what's the relevance to whether or not you believe or don't believe that his credentials are "genuine"? just saying

Ms.Psych101

Whether or not Dr. Phil has "genuine credentials" he's still helped people more than hurt, which is a lot more than anyone can say that they have done, as far as on Dr. Phil's level. He's still around, so he MUST be doing something right. And, if this family felt the need to go on his show for some type of solace for their tragedy, more power to them, especially if he in some way was/is able to help them find answers, AND since they're not questioning his credentials, what's the relevance to whether or not you believe or don't believe that his credentials are "genuine"? just saying

starryeyes83

About the same relevance to you; when you pulled the race card on the other thread.

Just sayin'

*eyeroll*

Ms.Psych101

Yea, that was pretty relevant seeing as it ALWAYS occurs. But, as I can see you (once again) have no valid point, otherwise you could/would have given a valid answer to the actual question, rather than bring up anything concerning any other post(s) that I have made that have absolutely NOTHING to do with this particular topic. You like most people on here really have no valid points, you just start typing just to be saying something, rather than being able to have a REAL, intelligent discussion. I simply asked a question, therefore IF you had nothing valid or relevant to say, why even respond?

starryeyes83

Using my term in your quotation marks proved your remarks invalid. Isn't that what you wanted ? A response. You do like to stir it, right?

Frankly, someone who goes out of their way to defend a rapist, as you did, doesn't have much intelligence.

Did you ever defend his victim - by the way? Oh, pardon me, that would take climbing down off of your high horse.

dontcare

The polygraph method is valid. The opposing polygraph organization was asked and of course they said the Arther method is invalid. Real cops in Ohio and Michigan and New York use the method, so Matt maybe they didn't get the memo either. Will Jerry Springer be next ? Why not comment about McKookey's investigation and his crack team of private eyes (sarcasm). If McKookey or his investigators ever used the polygraph in Ohio they used the Arther method, apparently it wasn't invalid until it became convenient to be invalid. I would put the BCI polygraphist up against the made for tv polygraphist anyday. The family will never have closure if they keep looking for something that isn't there. I hope them the best.

brassman

Dr. Phil? Hahahaha Why not just go on Springer?

Factitious

Both Springer and Dr. Phil used to be more serious. The degeneration of their shows is a direct response to what gets ratings. Their choice is to give the idiot viewers the idiocy they crave, or face cancellation. Gotta compete with "Judge Judy," "Housewives," "Kardashians," and "Honey Boo-boo."

44846GWP

Bacause he is already booked with your family.

Reader250

The ongoing story of Jacob Limberios is, obviously, incredibly emotional and could be politically important. This piece in particular by the Register was poorly written and edited (if it was edited at all), and does no service to readers or the case itself. If the Register wants to be taken seriously and give this story the quality it requires, I recommend hiring an experienced copy editor -- or another one, if the paper already has one who is maxed out attempting to edit for multiple publications.

Readers deserve at least that.

Tool Box

Are you kidding me? This thing has made it to Dr. Phil and you are cutting on the Register? I think there are more disturbing factors here than the Register editing!

Common Sense

You must not get the paper edition of the SR.

Tool Box

Yes I do, but I don't read it! I shread it up for my pet hampster to do his duty in!

donutshopguy

Limberios Shooting Saga....... Is there a mini series in the works? Why hasn't President Obama brought the parties together for a beer summit? Inquiring minds want to know........... Can this situation get more out of hand?

Ithink

" Can this situation get more out of hand?" Ask Sandusky County officials.

registerer

Why? They are no longer involved.

Slacker

And just to be clear Registerer, why isn't Sandusky County involved anymore????

Detrain

I am glad that they made it to Dr Phil show. Finally gonna get the attention it needs. Help bring light to a growing problem in the usa. Nice coverage sr weather on here on in the paper. Justice for Jake & Ella will prevail

red white and blue

Register you and donutshopguy are as dum as your comments nothing surprise me with your comments anymore.here is an idea they told u to change your screen name because there ashamed of your views I got one for you DRAMA QUEEN

red white and blue

Donutshopguy could be chef for allwaus stiring the pot

The Bizness

I might as well chime in now....

It appears to me that people are starting to make some money off this crime.

Dr. Phil wants an intriguing story to help get viewers, he could care less about outcomes.

The Register wants to write more stories because it gets people fired up and sells papers.

It also seems to me that this kid accidentally killed himself after reading all this stuff but I am no coroner or cop so who knows. This really is turning into a circus and I am sick of seeing the signs all around town. What justice do people want exactly? If he did accidentally kill himself, what justice is there to be dealt?

2Timothy1-7

I'm inclined to agree with you. For example, if he didn't shoot himself accidentally and a witness present shot him, then a crime occurred because there was illegal activity occurring at the time and the actions were reckless.

But his family keeps stating they don't believe he accidentally killed himself, that someone else accidentally shot him but they don't want anyone charged. That doesn't make any sense unless it's really about insurance money, lawsuits and avoiding full disclosure of the activity the people present engaged.

Obviously it can't be an accidental suicide, that's a contradiction in terms. But either he shot himself accidentally while drinking or someone else shot him and under the law it can't be an accident because the conditions (underage drinking and probable drug use) create at least recklessness which make it a crime.

In any event Dr. Phil is looking for a sensational story. The truth won't be found through TV. I hope the AG's office asks the really hard questions about what happened and examines the pattern of drug and law enforcement related questionable autopsies coming out of Lucas County.

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SmithMan1

Amen!!!!! thank god someone finally agrees with me!

Detrain

Bizness your comment is a joke. You could be so wrong from the thruth. Jake did not shoit himself evidence proves it. What are yoy one of them

The Bizness

Who is "one of them"? I am just saying it as I see it. I have no feelings to either side. Hopefully the family finds peace somehow, but I'm sure Dr. Phil is not the way to do it. He will get advertisers money though.

mamaC

What Justice you are wondering people want? Let's start with the definition of it.
jus·tice
noun \ˈjəs-təs\

: the process or result of using laws to fairly judge and punish crimes and criminals

: a judge in a court of law

Justice —used as a title for a judge (such as a judge of the U.S. Supreme Court)

EasyBib

Full Definition of JUSTICE

1

a : the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments

b : judge

c : the administration of law; especially : the establishment or determination of rights according to the rules of law or equity

2

a : the quality of being just, impartial, or fair

b (1) : the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2) : conformity to this principle or ideal : righteousness

c : the quality of conforming to law

3

: conformity to truth, fact, or reason : correctness

We want to make sure No other family ever has to go through what the Limberios family has for almost 19 months.

44846GWP

Bizz......how do you know Dr. Phill cares nothing about the outcome? What do you know.....do tell us! Who is making money? Tell us that too!

Slacker

The "circus", as you have described it, can be completely over with if the death certificate is accurately edited to the real cause of death. Accidental suicide is impossible!!! The family just wants the death certificate to be accurate! It is hard for me to believe that anyone could begrudge them for that. To expect the family to just roll over and move on is incredibly disrespectful to life. Bottom line, if this was your kid, you would want to know what happened the night that he died. The Limberios family is no different and I applaud them for their bravery, determination, and their perseverance.

Lil DAB

There is much more work involved getting to the truth than just sitting back and letting the inferior investigations dictate questionable facts! Kudos to all that have facebooked, put signs in their yards, commented with support to this family and their support group, & taken part in fundraisers.
In Dr Phil's words, "No matter how flat you make a pancake, it still has two sides." Step into the other person's shoes and try to see their side of the story.♛

Carlos Danger

I hope Dr. Phil is not the only show to take an interest in this case. I would love to see Matt W. and Dean Henry go at it on Springer. ding ding

registerer

Maybe we could get a medium to ask questions and get answers.

Detrain

I challenge you who defend sandusky county officials and who ever shot Jake to show us evidence to support you saying what you are saying. We can show lots of evidence supporting our side and you can not show one. Yoy guys are all talk. Put yourself in there shoes. Lost of experts agree he did not shoot himself. Look at justice for Jake & ella for the evidence on facebook. Justice for jake will prevail

2Timothy1-7

Please review my comments above. I agree that it could not have been "accidental suicide". I also agree that the evidence presented tends to indicate he did not shoot himself accidentally.

However, the only other option is that one of the witnesses shot him. And under the circumstances that could not have been an accident because there was illegal activity occurring i.e underage drinking and probable drug abuse.

The problem for me is the family wants it both ways. They claim he didn't shoot himself but they don't want the real shooter to get in trouble. They want it to be an accidental shooting by another person. But legally if another person shot him it can't be an accident because the amount of recklessness makes it a crime.

I believe there is more to this story and it's related to law enforcement cover ups of drug related crimes. That's why I want the AG to pursue the whole story and consider the pattern of law enforcement/drug related irregular coroner findings coming out of Lucas County.

The family can't have it both ways. It's simply not regular behavior to take a 357 magnum to a "party" and wave it around. Unless of course one is involved in the kind of activity where it is "part of doing business"

Slacker

Who said the family doesn't want the person that shot their son NOT to get in trouble???? That is ridiculously incorrect. If it is deemed a homicide, the family will expect Justice for Jack and Ella.

starryeyes83

I believe, and have stated before, it's been about the insurance money from the beginning. There were too many holes in the stories and if something doesn't make sense; it's usually fabricated , at least, some of it.

It certainly has turned into a media circus.

Detrain

Starryeyes you have no clue what you are saying.like I have said before you who stick up for them but be part of them. Nothing has been fabricated. Show me evidence for your side. You can't. The only one fabicating storys is the other side

starryeyes83

I have no side in this, merely agreeing to what others have pointed out. What "justice" ?

Have these polygraphs been administered before now? And why or why not?

Instead of going on tv , why not contact the FBI or the CIA ?

Philly boy doesn't give a damn about you people. He merely wants the higher ratings which is a bigger pay out for him!

Slacker

Come on starryeyes83, do you really think a 19 year old has a tremendous amount of life insurance? Further, if you had a young grandaughter and your son died, would you fight to make sure that the grandaughter got everything that you could get for her.....including her fathers true explanation of death? Just asking

starryeyes83

.

starryeyes83

Slacker, I had a policy , and quite a bit of it, and after I turned 21 it was turned over to me for a monthly premium of ten dollars. As did my siblings. Is that so unheard of , nowadays? I guess it was better planning then, because we sure weren't rich. Of course, I was working full time and not sitting around partying and playing video games.

Frankly, I haven't been the only one to bring up the insurance question. And I do believe it was mentioned in one of the earlier articles after this happened.

Julie R.

I don't believe it's been about the insurance money but even it was, isn't that what life insurance is for? For them to rule it suicide by accident ~ when we all know insurance won't pay out for suicide ~ was asinine beyond belief.

registerer

Not entirely true Julie. Most life insurance policies exclude suicide if it occurs in the first year of the policy period.

Leopold

What is the family and all the supporters going to say if it does come back that he shot his self? I find it hard to believe that the other three could keep quiet for this long if one of them did it.

Detrain

What if it comes back someone else shot him what would you guys say now? The facts and evidence is there for you to see on justice for Jake & ella on facebook.

red white and blue

The three of them did take lie detector test before dr.phil they came back inconclusive

starryeyes83

That's interesting, why do I have the feeling that the results will be the same this time? Burden of proof still lies with the family, though.

If the family wishes the terminology changed on the death certificate, I would think, the best way to go is to the state capital, first. Get some other type of Law advocate. The State of Ohio is not the only state which uses that exact same term.

Slacker

First, accidental suicide is not a legal means of death. The ruling on a death certificate must be proven and ruled upon by a coroner. Dr. Wukie of Sandusky County didn't go to the scene the night of the death and has been completely absent during the four investigations. The only way the death certificate can be changed now is in ruling in a court of law.

starryeyes83

I already said that.

Next.

Detrain

They used an old lie detector test that was no longer allowed to be used. But as I recall a few big experts disputed the lie detector test from bci if I remember correctly. they used the Arthur one. Name me other states that use that term. Cause I have talked to friends from other states and they never heard that term being used by there state. Plus this was the first time I heard anyone in ohio use this term. Either you commit suicide or not. How can it be accidental suicide. you guys have your opinion and I respect that but I think if you really sat down and read and looked at all the evidence listen to the audio very closely plus 911 call you might catch something you might be missing in all of this. To many things do not add up with sandusky county. Not the fist time they being accused of not doing there job right.

justsaying..

Im sorry to the family, but come on! This is turning into a side show. He brought beer and a loaded gun. Not a good combo. Everyone wants to blame and trash these other kids. Did his parents know he had a gun? I listened to all the audio, im pretty sure i heard he was drinking the day before too. Hmmmmm maybe less partying and more time with his daughter and this wouldnt have went down. Yes the cops did stupid things. Stupid stupid things. But this isnt csi or bones country. Just saying.

Detrain

He brought the gun cause one of them wanted to buy the gun. He spent lots of time with his daughter from what I have heard. Hiw is this a side show

dontcare

As hard as it is, someone needs to tell the emperor that he has no clothes. The people around the family are packaging this as some noble cause, while the opposite is actually true.

Detrain

How is that dontcare? Just trying to figure your guys views out

Ithink

WOW! The family isn't asking for posthumous sainthood here. They SIMPLY asked for a change in WORDING . Period. Because it blew up from there is no fault of the family's. You are directing your negativity toward the wrong group of people. And for any of you who are PARENTS, I dare you to sit back if your child's death was treated in the same manner. God people, relax. If you don't like this topic, don't engage in it.

Lil DAB

Truth or Dare

Again, take the time to watch Frontlines' Documentary: "Post Mortum". A few words that are the complete opposite to "noble", and describing this situation would be VILE, LOW, BASE, MEAN, DISHONEST! A fairly "noble" or JUST cause, would be to see that a law gets passed so something like this would never happen again. Hence, Jake's Law. Yet there are those within government that think it would cost too much money to get to a victims' real cause of death. It's a chilling thought when those who are the experts comment that the fastest way to close a case such as this, is to call it Suicide. No investigation needed! Saves tax $$$$'s!

We know it was a gunshot he died from, and it's fairly safe to say it was accidental, no matter who pulled the trigger! You know what I find odd and would like to know, the only witness not willing to go to Cali., is that the same one that when the deposition was given, you could hear and even feel the fear in his voice?

What's made perfectly clear, is major reform is needed in Ohio and throughout the U.S. regarding the political election of Coroners, especially when there is zero training in Forensic Pathology, let alone that of the criminal nature. That to me, and how this case was handled from the git-go, is criminal in and of itself!

2Timothy1-7

Please stop with the legal nonsense that it was an accident no matter who pulled the trigger. If Jake shot himself then it was an accident and not a suicide. I agree that "accidental suicide" is a legal impossibility.

On the other hand if a witness shot Jake it most certainly was not an accident. In fact it was a crime because the conditions under which it occurred (gun, underage drinking) could allow for charges from Involuntary Manslaughter 2903.04 Felony of the First Degree; Reckless Homicide 2903.041 a felony of the third degree or Negligent Homicide 2903.05 a misdemeanor.

So who would be your lead suspect? Obviously it is the individual who won't go to California and was nervous in his deposition.

If you truly believe someone else shot him, quit calling it an accident and start demanding an investigation that focuses on why witnesses are protecting the real shooter.

My thought is more than underage drinking was occurring and that the group (including Jake) was engaged in unlawful drug activity, either using or trafficking. There's a well established pattern of the Lucas County Coroner providing irregular autopsies and or law enforcement seeking to avoid them altogether whenever a drug related/law enforcement protected homicide occurs rural counties.

So I agree there needs to be a change in the Coroner system (and the Prosecuting attorney and Sheriff system) to a state based Medical Examiner, District Attorney, and State Police Force system. Our home rule/county system is out of date and a remnant of the rural history of the state.

But as I've stated before Jake's family and supporters can't have it both ways. If Jake didn't accidentally shoot himself, one of his associates did and committed a crime in the process and the persons responsible for shooting him and lying to the police to cover it up need to be prosecuted.

Centauri

There are many homicides, whether accidental or intentional, that are falsely stated as suicides.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/221898...
"As a former criminal prosecutor, after a year a half, I'm still waiting for evidence of suicide," said Fleck. "Rebecca was found bound, gagged, and naked. Her hands were tied behind her back. Her ankles and wrists were bound with very complex knots. A noose was over her neck and hair."

http://www.krmg.com/news/news/lo...
"Man found decapitated, police suspect suicide"
"His hands and feet were tied and the body had been decapitated."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...
"A cleaner has discovered a dead man with his hands tied behind his back and a bag over his head in a toilet at Los Angeles International Airport.

Police believe the 35-year-old, whose body was found in a cubicle in a men's bathroom in Terminal 3 at the airport on Wednesday morning, committed suicide."

mamaC

Let's clear some confusion up. The family is not seeking any life insurance money from this as they have spent their own money to fight this cause. To find out the truth. Plain and simple. If this was any of your family member's or your child you would NOT let it go or using Any resources you could to get answers! What sad is that a county has botched this from day one! Everyone should be concern with that rather then be on here damning a family! Jake Limberios took that gun there to sell it that night to one of those boys there. As far as the family not wanting the kids to be in trouble it really is not the family's choice if they are or aren't. The family is seeking the truth and an honest investigation. They are continuing to fight not only for their son but for every other family out there that has had any dealings or situations like theirs. There are more! We have heard some. Questionable death, rushed rulings, lack of investigations and poor dealings with county officials in that county. Justice4jakeandella.com or Find us on facebook Justice for Jake & Ella

red white and blue

I've been following this since the beginning at first I was convinced it was an accident but after seeing everything laid out its clear he didn't do it.you wouldhave to be I denial to think other wise.the one kid posted the song mama just killed a man on his facebook come on really?

Ithink

And he's the one who didn't go to California. Hhmmmm

tiredofthecrap

Why did he bring a hand gun to a party?

starryeyes83

Why did he bring a "loaded" gun to the party?

Was there little kids around?

Slacker

No, Ella was not at the party that night. She was with Mike and Shannon, her grandparents.

starryeyes83

I posted kid (s) , plural. Why would you think I only meant his daughter?

tiredofthecrap

as hard as I try I cant get past the fact that if he wouldn't of brought a gun to a party he would still be here today and none of this would be going on. What in the hell was he thinking?

gramafun

Is it wise to do a "TV show" with a state investigation" going on? I would think that the family would do nothing right now that would impact anything the state is investigating.

It seems rather silly to say or do anything that would have an impact of importance on what you asked the AG to do for you by going to Dr Phil with this.

Slacker

Easy for you to say. Ever been through anything this gut wrenching for over 18 months!

Detrain

The gun was there cause one of the boys wanted to buy it. As far as DR Phil show that is not gonna hurt the investigation. It might shed light on something they may be missing. Like I said before I respect your guys opinion but you keep repeating the same thing over and over but have not showed any evidence on your side

gramafun

evidence of what, may I ask?

Detrain

That you guys say jake shot himself. We can show he did not. You talk about all this stuff but you guys never back it up with evidence for the other side. This is not directed to you gramafun but to all that post on here with there comments that say other wise to our cause.

lmalley77

Am I mistaken, or did I read somewhere that Brittany stated at one time, "on the night of the murder"......If it was an accident, and they say Jake shot himself accidentally, why would she use the word "murder"???....I say lock all the suspects in separate rooms and interrogate them using fear tactics to the point that they are willing to give up the right shooter to save their own Azzes!!

lmalley77

Sorry...I guess I should have used the word "witnesses" instead of suspects...cuz boy oh boy, that's the ONLY thing people will actually get out of my statement is the fact that they were "witnesses" and not "suspects"!!....Also, if it is found and proven that someone else pulled that trigger, whether accidentally or not, that person needs to be prosecuted, as well as the other two "witnesses" for all of the lying and covering up they have done for the past 19 months!!

Truth or Dare

What kind of doctor asks if it's okay to rape a drunk girl? One that understands just exactly what a rhetorical question is! By the way, was that one of the questions asked of a rapist from Stuebenville, another miscarriage of justice that found it's way to the State Capitol, DeWine's office, national attention and the Dr. Phil show?! Wonder how the investigation of the investigators is going? Any word on that one SR?

I often wonder how folks pick their names here, cause there is no 2Timothy 1-7, unless you're reading a different book! There is however a I Timothy 1-6, a II Timothy 1-4. For the Limberios family and Friends, this must be a test of grace, humility, of all the gifts of God's Spirit we're to seek and ask for. What justice could there be here? How about the oxymoron of a Death Certificate be changed? Simple enough, right? How about our reps. and State not even hesitate one moment to pass Jake's Law, you know, to better protect all Ohioans and their families from such things!

On that note, good ole doc Phil....aside from his other degrees, he did earn and possesses a PH.D in clinical psychology, specializing in the RESEARCH aspect of the science. Unless of course our schools of higher education have a tendency to hand such things out willy-nilly? The human brain/mind, what an amazing organ, eh?

Our U.S. Supreme Court has delayed any ruling on the topic of lie detector tests being admissible in a court of law. Way I see it, if they can't bring themselves to rule, not a one should be admissible! See United States vs. Sheffer 523 U.S. 303 (1998). Why? Evidence in regards to the validity of polygraph testing cases, "indicates that strategies used to beat polygraph examinations, so-called counter measures may be effective. Counter measures include simple physical movements, psychological intervention (e.g. manipulating subject's beliefs about the test), and the use of pharmacological agents that alter arousal patterns. DESPITE THE LACK OF GOOD RESEARCH VALIDATING POLYGRAPH TESTS, efforts are ongoing to develop and assess new approaches". That was 1998, this is 2013 and an old test from the 50's was used and depended upon? Really? The results of any of these tests may be "inconclusive", what isn't is the fact that;

1. NO investigation was conducted
2. Evidence was destroyed.
3. SC Coroner ruled over the phone, never personally showing up at the scene of the "accidental suicide.
4. An autopsy request was denied.
5. All of the above have been supported BY THE LOCAL COUNTY GOVERNMENT/PROSECUTORS OFFICE AND THE JUDICIAL BENCH, UNTIL OTHERWISE FIRED OR REMOVED DUE TO A HUGE ARSE CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!!

Forgive my lack of gracefulness!

Thoughts and prayers of strength, courage and perseverance remain with the Limberios Family and Friends. Rest assured, the sign is staying in the yard and phone calls will continue to be made. God Bless!

dontcare

What???

Ithink

I would like to know how the mother (whose house this happened at) of both Brittany and Kayleigh, and grandmother of Ella, can look herself in the mirror knowing what her daughter Brittany witnessed and kept from the police. Huh, Kerri?