'Not inconsistent'

Lucas County deputy coroner favors accidental suicide ruling in Limberios death; says everybody else had it wrong.
Register
May 23, 2013

Jacob Limberios might have committed suicide, accidentally. 

That's the finding from Lucas County deputy coroner Cynthia Beisser, who performed an autopsy on Jacob's body on May 2, about 14 months after he was killed.

"The manner of death, as you know, has to do with the circumstances surrounding the death," Beisser wrote in the report. "It is not determined at the autopsy table, but by investigation of the death scene and putting together all of the available information concerning the death. In this case you must put the autopsy finding together with the scene investigation and the ancillary laboratory studies. However, the autopsy studies are not inconsistent with the original ruling of suicide."

Beisser determined that Sandusky County sheriff's deputies might have made the right call when they told Sandusky County coroner John Wukie Jacob had committed suicide but it might have been accidental. That original finding came less than three hours after Jacob was killed and Wukie went with that ruling without ever examining the body, the location where he was killed or talking to witnesses. 

Jacob was with friends for a social gathering on March 2, 2012, inside a Clyde home when he was killed. His family and people who knew Jacob, and three witnesses inside the home when he was killed, all said he showed no signs of depression or gave any indication he was troubled. Jacob was a father to a three-year-old daughter. 

Jacob's parents, Mike and Shannon Limberios, repeatedly asked Wukie and county officials to order an autopsy after Jacob was killed, but they eventually obtained a private autopsy after county officials stopped responding to their inquiries. Pittsburgh forensic pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht conducted an autopsy in September and determined Jacob was the victim of a homicide. 

While tentatively confirming the initial finding by deputies that it was an accidental suicide, Beisser concluded they were wrong about which hand Jacob was using to hold the gun and which side of the head he shot.

The EMS reports, witness statements, deputy reports and Dr. Wecht all states that Jacob was shot in the left side of the head. 

Beisser concluded he was shot in the right side of his head and that was indicated by the "beveling" of the skull bone from the wounds. 

"Here, in fact, the true nature of the wounds in this case is revealed. The entrance and exit gunshot wounds are still well defined in the skull bones," Beisser wrote. 

Special prosecutor Dean Henry, who released the report to the Register on Wednesday, declined to comment on the autopsy or the inaccuracies in the statements about where Jacob was shot. The Register incorrectly reported earlier today that Henry had not released the report to the Register. 

Limberios family attorney Dan McGookey said Biesser's finding that Jacob was shot in the right side of the head is the first suggestion of that kind and it flies in the face of the scientific evidence.

"I'm not a forensics expert, but everyone, to a person, said the entrance wound was on the left side. The forensic evidence doesn't seem to even allow for a reasonable debate about which was the entrance and which was the exit wound," McGookey said.

Dr. Cyril Wecht was not immediately available for comment. 

Comments

Kmf1984

This case was screwed up from the beginning. Sandusky county should have handled it as a potential crime scene instead of just going on what some kids said. It was laziness that kept Wukie from going to the scene. However, the Lucas county coroner has nothing to lose or gain by giving an indecisive result. Regardless of the answer she gives, Sandusky county would continue sending autopsy cases there because Sandusky county doesn't perform them. Of course she was paid... She was doing her job and deserves compensation for her services. I highly doubt Sandusky county or any of its officials have enough money in their pocket to pay her off.

nobodyfromnowhere

Yes she was paid. Her standard salary by Lucas County. Their pathologist do not receive extra pay from outside cases. Nor do they preform private autopsies at their facility, unlike Dr. Wecht who did at Allegheny County and had to repay the county alot of money.

Krissy3

Ohhh a Dr. Wecht hater....

HSHPS TNR

I lurk all the time and never comment, but here goes. Won't hide behind fake name. Anyone who knows me will recognize my sign-in.
My daughter graduated with Jake. If I met him once, it was in a group of tall teenage boys. I do not know his parents. I do remember when my daughter told me his girlfriend was pregnant. Life happens....
It would be some closure for all to know who was holding the gun when the accident happened.....nothing unfortunately can bring him back.
What has prompted me to write is the atrocity of justice and procedure from the start. Again nothing can change, what's done is done. But someone should be accontable for the handling of this case. Where can we go past the petition to have this investigated?
Emotions in my village of Castalia are high. I actually fear no other lives get ruined before some answers make sense.

be for real

I just hope this is the end of this story

sandtown born a...

Be for real

Centauri

"I just hope this is the end of this story"

Why would you say that?

Ithink

If it wasn't so sad, it would almost be comical that the sheriff and his sidekick thought it was not important to go to the scene when this homicide occurred, but yet, thought it WAS important to show up to test the best donuts in town. Sickening!

nobodyfromnowhere

I believe that the Sheriff was at the scene. Or have the Limberios's supporters and the Register been lying to us?

MOJO68

I have been reading all this for months now. No coroner that I know can make a precise confirmation of COD after this long a time. You have to see the body relatively soon after the death to be THAT ACCURATE for what the COD is. Too much time has gone by for anyone to be that certain.

I am afraid at this point the family may never find out the truth of the matter no matter how many autopsies they perform or who does them. Unless some who was there finally speaks up, I sincerely doubt the truth will ever be known. It is sad but unfortunately true. At this point, I fear someone got away with something. Eventually, it will eat away at their conscience....or one can only hope they have a conscience that will finally get them talking. Until then, let this poor boy rest in peace. Its time to move on and let the dead rest.

Your Honest Truth

MOJO68 If this was your father, son, brother, boyfriend, cousin, nephew, uncle, or friend would you stop and just "hope" that a witness will come forward after all of this time? Would you let these officials get away with all the pain and suffering that they have caused to you? Would you except that one autopsy said homicide from left to right and another said suicide from right to left? It is easy to sit back and say get over it but it isn't that easy. Jake was loved by many and his friends and family deserve to know the truth and the officals should be helping them get answers and not stopping those answers just to save their job. A job they didn't care about March 2, 2012 when they were needed the most. Do not place judgement on this amazing family until you have walked a mile in their shoes. They are doing this for Jake's daughter so that she never thinks her dad committed suicide. Also they are doing this so no other family will ever have to go through what Sandusky County has put them through. You should be thanking them for being strong and fighting. JUSTICEFORJAKE. We will get answers.

mrite

Think they should waterboard all who were there until they break?

You can't make these people talk and without proof that they had involvement the law can't make them talk. It is unfortunate but to re-hash this on a daily basis is probably not the way to go.

Your Honest Truth

mwrong... Did I say to "waterboard all who were there until they break?"

There is proof they were involved because they were there that night and made statements. Why aren't they being questioned????? It is police protical to question witnesses a few times. They only questioned them that night and they made conflicting statements. They should be questioned about what state he was in when it happened and that would allow them to change the ruling from suicide to accident but they won't do it. Why??? All the autopsy's in the world won't prove what mental state he was in, why aren't the witnesses being questioned about it because that is what the original lawsuit was about to change from suicide to accident.

This is "re-hashed" on a daily basis because without the media, this family wouldn't have a voice and Sandusky County would get away with everything. Please stop reading the articles if you're tired of seeing them and stop posting because you sound ridiculous and heartless. I hope nothing ever happens to your family that you would need support from others because you don't deserve it.

mrite

your honest liar: I did not say anywhere in my post that you said we should waterboard them did I? Please show me where I said you said that.

Obviously you must be one of the individuals lawyers if you know what questions were and were not asked of those individuals right? If you did not sit in on the questioning then you are merely speculating like the rest of us.

I will read these articles each and every day. Again, I never said I was tired of them re-hashing this. I am just pointing out that this family will NEVER move forward with this in the media each and every day.

I am not heartless rather a realist. There are somethings that will never be solved and this might be one of those instances. Again, as long as those individuals that were present continue to remain silent then it will never be resolved no matter how hard you bang the drum. That, is a fact!

Your Honest Truth

The questions were recorded and I have listened to them so yes I do know what questions were asked and I also read their statements. Everything is posted on the justice for jake website you should visit it and you may learn something :)

Krissy3

They can't be bothered to actually read and look at the actual evidence in the case to make an educated decision. They're too busy trolling the comment section.

Julie R.

@Your Honest Truth: I agree totally. Nothing irks me more then when others say "let it go and move on." Would those very same hypocrites be saying that if they were the victims of the cruel injustice that Jake's family has endured?

An injustice to one is an injustice to all. For some odd reason, some people are just too ignorant to see that.

Centauri

"Nothing irks me more then when others say "let it go and move on." Would those very same hypocrites be saying that if they were the victims of the cruel injustice that Jake's family has endured?"

Excellent comment. You have people on here telling the SR to stop printing news about Jake and Sandusky County, Ohio.

I have seen and heard a lot of this "let it go and move on" from the apathetic and willfully ignorant people but when it happens to them, they cry the blues. I spend a lot of time uncovering the hidden truth and give newspapers some tips and leads to expose the truth. Have you seen the link that I posted before about the willfully ignorant? It is a great read. Ohio has some willfully ignorant judges, prosecutors, elected officials at local and state levels. Plus I feel that majority of people are willfully ignorant.

http://corporatecockroaches.com/...

I feel that most people are willfully ignorant about Jake and Sandusky County, Ohio in general judging from the past comments on this newspaper site. I wonder how these willfully ignorant people would feel if a loved one was killed either accidentally or intentionally and the coroner didn't show up at the scene where the death occurred. Also evidence at the scene was not collected and the investigation was based on the eye witnesses. I still wonder about one death that I read about that was ruled suicide by hanging yet the victim had their hands tied tightly behind their back. The coroner in that case was willfully ignorant of the evidence and true facts.

mamaC

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manger1

I've never liked or trusted the lucas county coroner. In my opinion from a personal experience, they are lazy, have no compassion and want the simplest way to say a job is done. My brother passed away at a young age, we always believed the people he was with did something to cause his death. Lucas county coroner literally told our family they had no time for a drug addict and alcoholic, they had wanted to say before the autopsy was done their ruling was an overdose. We knew he was none of those things, and it hurt us badly that they had said that. He had nothing in his system to support what they originally told us. So they said in their conclusion it was cardiovascular disease, that he had it for years and was a hereditary condition he had. Never ever have I believed them, he was a healthy young man. I am a nurse so I know the signs of cardiovascular disease, he had none of them. Even his family doctor who had seen him less than a year before his death said he had no signs of cardiovascular disease. He even had surgery that he was cleared for before his death. I believe Lucas county just doesn't want to put the real time and work into some cases, which is just absolutely wrong. That is their job. The investigation or whatever people at the scene
said should have nothing to do with an autopsy (especially when their never really was one). In my opinion coroner's are somebody we should also be able to trust to also uphold the most accurate justice. When they don't because they're too lazy because they're so back logged it's just wrong. Every soul deserves justice, and peace. We are all human beings and we deserve that especially after death. If someone is the cause of another person's death it needs to be known, and they need to be locked away from society. I've never trusted or believed in them, which is sad. Those are people we are supposed to believe in and count on for the truth.

Centauri

Manger1, I am sorry to hear about your brother. A coroner should not base a death on what others such as police officers will state. In many cases, the police themselves killed the victim. I have heard a lot of negative things about the Lucas County (Ohio) coroner. Here are a couple of links where the Lucas County coroner changed a ruling of death. Two cops went to prison over that homicide. Google "Carlton Benton" for more information.

http://www.northwestohio.com/new...
"The death certificate lists the cause of death as "seizure disorder in association with bupropion use." Bupropion is an antidepressent that has been linked to seizures."

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/stor...
"TOLEDO, OH -- The Lucas County Coroner's office has revised its initial ruling and declared former inmate Carlton Benton's death a homicide."

One death that I feel to this day was wrongly ruled a suicide. Bob was a police informant and sloppy investigation by the Sandusky (Ohio) police didn't collect and ignored a lot of evidence at the scene. I feel that the suicide was actually a murder case. Here is the ruling on that death.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"The Lucas County coroner's office ruled the Aug. 24 death of Robert Chapman a suicide.."

manger1

And also I seen somebody mentioned when sandusky county sheriff had shot and killed a young man sleeping on his couch. I'm actually glad they mentioned that, it shouldn't be forgotten. So sad. I usually never comment either, but I really believe their is something seriously wrong with these people we are supposed to trust and count on. People in those jobs should always handle a situation as if they would handle one with their own family.

interestedobserver

I read a similar story in another area newspaper. It was refreshing to see a story without the Register's obviously biased slant. Whatever happened to a newspaper reporting facts, instead of making every story an opinion piece?

luvblues2

Let's face it. John Dewey looked at all the evidence and decided to get while the gettin' was good. This last report from Lucas County just went beyond what most can comprehend.

It's not looking good for SC, at all. Expect more rats jumping ship.

bondgirlM

One thing that glared out at me is the incompetence of the coroner to get the address of Jake correct. They list his home address as Sandusky County when in fact it is in Erie County. That is such an obvious mistake, or maybe they were just too lazy to confirm the actual location. Makes me wonder if they can't get the obvious correct how can they get the not so obvious?

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