New results same as old ones: Accidental suicide

Autopsy report released to newspaper
Register
May 23, 2013

The second autopsy confirms the initial conclusion by Sandusky County sheriff's deputies: Jacob Limberios killed himself but it might have been accidental. 

Deputies reached that conclusion within just hours from when Jacob Limberios was killed on March 2, 2012, by a gunshot to the head.

Sandusky County coroner John Wukie used that finding in his death ruling despite never having examined the body, visiting the home where Jacob was killed or reviewing information with witnesses.

The Fremont News-Messenger reported Wednesday that the autopsy conducted by deputy Lucas County coroner Cynthia Beisser found deputies were correct in that original conclusion immediately after Jacob was killed (Click for article), but they were wrong about which hand Jake was using to shoot the gun.  

Evidence was destroyed during the initial investigation, according to the Limberios family, and deputies failed to follow basic procedures or meet professional standards of criminal investigation. 

Beisser performed her autopsy May 2, six months after Pittsburgh pathologist Cyril Wecht conducted an autopsy on behalf of the family after the county previously refused to order one. Wecht's autopsy found Jacob to have been the victim of a homicide.

The Register will post Beisser's autopsy report at the news website when officials respond to the request. 

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Comments

Foz426

this is absolute ridiculousness and the county knows it! I would like to know HOW he could have shot himself with the gun more than 18 inches away from his head? I hope those that are lying and protecting those that are lying burn for this. How DARE you do this to this family. AGAIN.

BlueAngel

AMEN!!

Dude i Roc

Now the hand change...

indolent indiff...

case closed?

RNR

this is bullsXXt.

Ithink

Wow! Jacob sure was flexible if he could use his right to reach around to the back of his left ear and shoot himself 18 inches away. What a bunch of BS!

Kelly

This autopsy is impartial. The coroner is in another county and has no reason to jeopardize her reputation by participating in any kind of cover-up. This one has more credibility than one paid for by the family. Really, did you expect Wecht to rule against the family paying him?

Foz426

if you believe that then I feel sorry for you. The evidence does not lie and there is much more to this story. Sadly, you fall into the category of gullibility that the county is hoping for. Lucas County was still EMPLOYED BY Sandusky County.... the county got the results THEY paid for. Impartial? Not a chance.

mrite

Kelly, I agree with your statement.

Foz, you say that "the evidence does not lie". Where did the "evidence" you speak of come from?

so.....

Read past articles. The county botched this.

mrite

Says who? The SR? The family paid pathologist? Those that do not have the intimate details of this case? WHO??????

so.....

The sr got their info from the family. Other than the 3 kids with jake , who has more intimate details? The family also has scoured over the county's files. So they know what the county knows. Which is they did not follow protocol that night.

mrite

Ok. I figured that the Sheriff's Dept and/or Prosecutor would not give out details until the investigation was completed. Just how did they get that info from the SO?

I discount info from family as it could be tainted to their beliefs.

so.....

The same could be said about the other side as well then. Just they hold the cards

Kelly

I feel sorry for the family that refused to accept the fact that their son accidentally killed himself. It must be horrible but it's been confirmed.

so.....

If that's what he did then say that. Not accidental SUICIDE. 2total different things. No such thing as accidental suicide! Suicide is INTENTIONAL. You meant to do it!!!

ladydye_5

Accidental death and suicide are TWO DIFFERENT things!

Krissy3

Beisser's report does NOT say that he killed himself. It says that she can't determine range of fire so she doesn't know either way and its up to Sandusky County to decide.

The only part of this report that even matters is that she says the range of fire couldn't be determined. She says he MIGHT have killed himself, not that there is any scientific evidence he did. Basically this report means nothing other than the manner of death is inconclusive since range can't be determined.

so.....

you have no idea if this is impartial or not. In their field people know a vast network. Especially if they work together often , as they do around here. Everything goes to lucas county. Shes no stranger.

Kelly

Exactly, everything goes to Lucas county so she has no reason to give anything but a completely accurate account. The county will still be giving her work no matter how she rules. There's no conspiracy.

so.....

If shes friendly with these people, and that does happen from regular contact, she may very well say what they want. Just like people paying for an opionion, as you say. And your right, the county will still give her work whether she's accurate or not because that's the system, not her ability or crediblity.

mrite

I doubt that so many public officials would jeopardize their careers and lives to protect the lies of others. Most especially officials outside of the county.

so.....

After the experience I've had with public officials I put nothing past any of them. Just because they are not in the same county doesnt mean a thing.

jmac08

THE CORONER IS WITH SANDUSKY CO> THEY PAID HER TO DO IT IT WASNT FREE>> SO SHE DID WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR TO COVER UP ALL THE MESS THEY CAUSED UR DUMB

sandtown born a...

I AGREE

Ithink

Yeah, sure-- a renowned forensic pathologist is going to become embroiled in a controversial autopsy and then LIE because the family paid him. Are you CRAZY?! He has much bigger and more popular cases to handle (AND GET PAID FOR), but no, he'll settle for this little hick Sandusky County, Barney Fife run Mayberry case to boost his reputation. You people are nuts. Mike and Shannon went to OSU and asked for help--they directed them to Dr Wecht, who agreed to help them. They didn't seek someone out to do the autopsy and LIE about it--THEY want the TRUTH also!!!

Kelly

and now they have it

sandtown born a...

Ok not sure what crossed the line with this comment???????????????

Kelly

The coroner has no reason to fabricate anything. He killed himself.

mamaC

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Kelly

Kelly is my name and disagreeing is not trolling.

mrite

With your reasoning it stands that Dr Wecht just fabricated his findings because he was getting paid by the family.

There are many roadblocks in this case now. Most significant is that 2 coroner reports are very similar.

zachfromsandusky2

Impartial maybe but correct it is not! With a .357 gun shot powder residue and powder Burns would be present all over the boys skull if he had shot himself or been shot from a distance of 2 feet or less. Not once has any medical report confirmed the presence of any GSR on him. I highly doubt that since an autopsy wasn't performed before the first burial that Jacobs hands were not swabbed to determine if there was GSR present on his hands to confirm or disprove he recently fired a firearm! That should have been the first thing done by the coronerbut wait he ddidn't respond to the scene to examine the body view it's placement blood spatter patterns or any other evidence to prove whether this was a homicide or suicide. Even if he committed suicide there is clearly dereliction of duty present and the investigation was botched by either lazy incompetent personnel.

Simple Enough II

They had been firing that pistol earlier that evening, there would have been GSR....and also on the hands of those there who also fired it.

so.....

You're right. But it wouldnt be on his head.which is what needed to prove/disprove and they didn't because no autopsy was done.

starryeyes83

Longer than average arms, perhaps? or Greater flexibility?

Natural variables are possible.

deertracker

Accident or suicide? It really can't be both.

mrite

Deertracker, as much as it pains both you and I must agree with your statement.

deertracker

No pain here!

Kelly

Maybe accidental self-inflicted gunshot?

starryeyes83

Kelly, That's the smartest thing I've read , yet. And more than likely true.

Krissy3

Suicide requires intent... Look it up. It's either an accident or its a suicide, not both.

starryeyes83

What about Russian Roulette? Sometimes they don't intend to do it for real but want to play act and take a stupid chance and pull the trigger, and if they are really drunk or high ... that would classify as accidental self- inflicted .... when it comes right down to it. It's really a matter of splitting hairs here. Really no sense in keep harping on it .

They can't bring the boy back, so SR it's really time to put this story to bed once and for all. There's nothing more to be gained by stirring the pot and just where are the "masked idiots " at - who hack into the federal websites that you've been showcasing?

The BURDEN of proof is on the family.

Krissy3

Russian roulette is not a suicide as an overdose is not a suicide. It is an accidental death.

starryeyes83

Bull! Are you saying people don't od on purpose ? Pull your head outta your arse.

so.....

people do od on purpose. they also od by accident, anna nicloe or jimi hendrix. its not called accidental suicide, its called accidental overdose. meaning unintentional. either you misunderstood her post or she didnt convey properly. i knew what she meant.

starryeyes83

Her post stated *** as an overdose is not a suicide *** I read it exactly as she typed it...

MAYBE SHE should have clarified!

starryeyes83

She said "self-inflicted".

so.....

Then SAY THAT! not suicide. ...

Simple Enough II

And why couldn't it be?

so.....

Read my comment below yours..too much to retype ..lol

so.....

Suicide is the intentional act of taking ones own life. An accident is UNintentional act that happens. How can these 2words be used together??? Regardless of who paid for what common sense tells us they cannot. Has to be one or the other.

starryeyes83

@ so....

We don't know -- WHY don't you jump on the ones who put it in the newspaper and ASK them why they worded it that way?

Okay?

so.....

Its worded this way because that's that's how the death certificate reads. As for my CAPITALS... I'mTRYING to make a POINT. Therefore I USE them. Just as I've seen YOU do previously on here. ;)

starryeyes83

Gotcha... now we gotta jump on the ones who wrote it on the d.c. like that. I think it's a case of trying being politically correct or whatever the life insurance company will allow for the claim to go through.

Just a thought.

so.....

And that's what the family and justice for jake are trying to do. They just want the truth. And the truth is this wasn't suicide so it shouldn't say that on an official document. Accidental (bogus) or not.

Krissy3

The one who wrote it on the dc like that is the coroner. The life insurance policy didn't pay out anyway and I highly doubt the coroner was concerned with the family's finances when he didn't even concern himself with their request for an autopsy.

The Big Dog's back

There are only 2 people who know what really happened that day and 1 of them is dead.

jmac08

ACTUALLY THERE IS 3 WITNESS. AND THEY ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BUT KEEPING IT SECRET TO STAY OUTTA TROUBLE

jmac08

ACTUALLY THERE IS 3 WITNESS. AND THEY ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BUT KEEPING IT SECRET TO STAY OUTTA TROUBLE

TRISTINPRUITT

there are actually 4* and one of them was killed. - just saying

TRISTINPRUITT

that comment also was not intended for my jmac :)

The Big Dog's back

The reason I say 2 is because only one pulled the trigger.

starryeyes83

Further proof tha booze/drugs and firearms and goofing off just don't mix. Ya just don't screw around with them and expect people not to get hurt.

Imagine the hell if it would have been a little kid who was shot and killed.

Anybody bother to stop and think about that one?

Hmm?

TRISTINPRUITT

** A LITTLE GIRLS FATHER WAS KILLED. ** anybody ever think of that?

bobaluey

By his own hand and carelessness.

TRISTINPRUITT

pretty sure you werent one of the witnesses um or should i say killers ? right? okay then. all you people know is what you THINK you know. so maybe just maybe.. your wrong. most of you just know what you read, and dont know the family or his daughter. yes your in titled to your own opinion - but also note this : you dont know all of the facts. have a wonderful day :)

bobaluey

That song is getting old. The conspiracy theory is losing steam. Simple as that.

mrite

And YOU know the facts right?

TRISTINPRUITT

do you?

mrite

No I don't. But, I am not the one spewing about "knowing the facts".

starryeyes83

maybe the little kids father should have thought of that

LabMan

Did anyone go and read the Messenger? Beisser says

“The manner of death, as you know, has to do with the circumstances surrounding the death,” she wrote. “It is not determined at the autopsy table, but by investigation of the scene and putting together all the available information concerning the death.”

bobaluey

What!?!

No stupid idiotic photos of a crooked credit card hacker group in a Halloween mask on this one?

You dudes must be slipping.

Texx Reloader

The real problem is the attitude of these people. They are in power number one to look out for themselves, and they are wise about it. Even if they where involving themselves in corrupt activity (which I am not suggesting they are)there is simply too much of it going on in larger communities which has stressed the resources of the "watchdogs" even more. Even a person of normal intelligence realizes that in times of civil unrest cops can't respond to misdemeanors, only felonies (allegory). However, I am not suggesting that. I am just suggesting they don't give a darn how the public sees them, because the voters have proven time and time again it makes no difference what they do, they will continue to re-elect them time and time again. UNLESS the shaft them badly and boldly monetarily as with the reservoir debacle in Fremont. So they will continue to keep their little fiefdoms to their own advantage, while the talented young people leave the area for greener pastures, and the companies which could bring new life to the community, pass Sandusky County by. The answer is in the ballot box. To bring in people who truly care about the citizens of the county, and wish to see growth both in quantity, and quality. I don't see this happening any time soon. There is little precedent for it. The net decline of population, and industry in the area will probably continue to decline, but these things take decades to play out. It is truly sad for those who live there, or have loved ones there.

sandtown born a...

A accurate investigation was made next to impossible that very night with totally incompetent investigating as well as evidence collection. A determination is made of all the evidence not just the autopsy table, the scene, the evidence collected the statements as well as the coroners determination after investigating the scene. Oh yeah no investigating the scene, what happened to evidence collected?oh yeah poof its gone, what did the coroner find at the scene? Oh yeah he never went just made a guess over the phone, what about the original autopsy results? Oh yeah it was never done, what about the slug? Oh yeah 6-8 mths or more the SCSO finally collected it, Anyone who thinks this is a true outcome I sure as heck hope these same people investigate when its your son,daughter, or parent TOTAL BS from the start

so.....

Very well said

bobaluey

If this kid had been famous or a politcal person or someone of public "importance" ...I could kind of sense the corrupt theory..BUT he wasn't... he was in the end ... a 19 year old kid that NO ONE is going bother ruining their JOB reputations over with covering anything up.

This is a classic case of passing the buck because people who are grieving have to grasp at straws, rather than admitting their son was responsible. Period.

deertracker

Maybe he was responsible but it still can't be a suicide and an accident. Do you get that?

bobaluey

That's already been established ; go talk to the ones who are filling out the death certificates. Or have them clarify why they use it. Not hard.

Kelly and starry already brought up good points on both. The technical terms should be changed, yes, but why keep harping on it?

I think that accidental suicide is an "old term" . Deal with it.

WiseManOnceSaid

Dr Wukie was in charge of the death certificate. He is the one the family is suing. He made his oxymoronic ruling without looking at evidence, even viewing the body, or knowing the details of what happened. There is no actual ruling of accidental suicide. As far as autopsy and death certificates go SUICIDE has to have INTENT. The ruling if anything should have been accidental death. suicide should not have been mentioned.
More importantly if you have paid attention in this case it is clearly not what happened. Even outside the ruling by Dr. Wecht the facts dont add up. The positions the witnesses place themselves and Jake make it clear that it was impossible to have happened that way. Please read back to the stories and depositions and such.

For people trying to argue, why would they cover something up for some kid..... That kid has family and loved ones. He was more than just some kid. He was loved by many. The county officials did not do their jobs from the beginning. They did just about EVERYTHING incorrectly and have been covering themselves since.

so.....

you say "go talk to the ones who are filling out the death certificates.or have them clarify why they use it." they are doing exactly that but people are blasting them for it. telling them to quit harping on it and move on. deal with it. etc. if this was my child i hope id have enough courage to take on the battle they have. a battle they shouldnt have to fight because officials didnt do their jobs.

so.....

Victim dont have to be famous for people to slack on the job and then cover their a** when its discovered. THAT'S why the cover up and conspiracy. To cover up the fact that they didnt follow protocol and therefore dropped the ball. Its called accountability for ones actions.or in this case inaction.

thetruthfairy

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sandtown born a...

You are expressing the feelings of many and many more daily

mamaC

The Limberios family & friends Thank you! We have shared this on our facebook page and Twitter,

so.....

Cant believe this was removed...silly

dontcare

The paper is implying that information is being withheld because they are not giving it to the SR. I would suggest Matt take another 4 hour public document course and (pay attention) he will realize that just because he wants it doesn't mean he's entitled to it.

Kayleigh.Bowers

To all of you who disagree and think that cynthia biser is correct let me inform you of a few different facts (since you obviously know so little about this case.) I am the mother of Jacob's 4 year old daughter, He would NEVER (even accidentally) do that to himself. I along with Jacobs friends and family can say that Jacob was very very smart when it came to gun safety... now off to stating my facts......

First off 3 witnesses were present, 1 of which in audio recordings say they don't actually remember seeing it happen, even after they wrote a written report saying that they did see it happen (is this witness trying to cover up for the other witness?)
Second fact, Dr. Wecht is a world renowned patholigist - he did a very in depth autopsy in which his report was 12 pages long including very precise medical terminology.
Third fact, we have EMS and police reports that were done that night along with pictures that state the bullet entry wound was at the left and exited through the right. Not to add mental images in anyones heads but a bullet goes in small and comes out big. Jacobs face was damaged severely on the right side (where the bullet exited) Ransom's funeral home would back us up on this, as well as sandusky county's own EMS and whoever was present at Jacobs showing (which is why we had to get a different casket so you couldn't see the right side of Jacobs face.)
Maybe Ms. Biser made a mistake in her reporting, but if she didn't I wouldn't imply that Matt take another 4 hour public course when Matt has only been doing his job, unlike Wukie who didn't even show up to a crime scene and unlike Overmyer who left the scene because he felt as if the scene was under control. (How is a scene under control when there was no GSR tests done? No breathalizers done?) ...... before you come on here making silly remarks on a story that you obviously know nothing about remember there is a family thats reading all of these along with our amazing supporters who are so willingly helping us put an end to this so Dr. Wukie and Sandusky county officals can never do this to another family again!
For more information on this case please refer to the Justice for JAKE facebook page
-Kayleigh Bowers!

TRISTINPRUITT

well said my dear :)

so.....

There ya go boys and girls...don't get anymore intimate than that. ...well said.

luvblues2

Thank you for that, Kayleigh. Excellent post.

This ain't over...

brassman

Dr. Wecht is also considered by many in the scientific community to be a nut and a conspiracy theorist.

so.....

I find it hard to believe that ohio state would suggest a nut to a family for something so serious. That label usually comes from people who have been one -upped by that person.

Krissy3

Brassman is considered by many in the blogging community to be a nut and a troll. You know what they say about opinions?

Foz426

Well said, Kayleigh! people keep saying 'the family PAID' for their report... if you're going to follow THAT reasoning... SO DID THE COUNTY! Justice for Jacob!

Simple Enough II

Were not Jacob and the others firing the handgun earlier that evening? If they were as was reported, they all would have more than likely had GSR on both hands as most folks tend to hold a handgun with both hands. Wasn't it mentioned they were drinking and such going on that evening? How many rounds were in that revolver, one, several, what?

Simple Enough II

So why would the SO and all the rest call it this instead of a accidental homicide? Who are the 3 individuals and who would they be connected with to have this happen?

so.....

Theyre calling it suicide because the 3 kids with him said he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger, with his left, non dominate hand,while he was talking on his cell, with his right hand,that he shoots with. But they don't think he meant to do it tho...thus accidental. But the county threw out bloody clothes and shoes they allowed the kids to remove. The coroner or a detective, per protocol, did not come to the scene and conduct an autopsy or an investigation. They just went by what the road officers said which was what the kids said.
This isn't about covering FOR the kids its about covering officials who dropped the ball and didnt do their jobs until the family sued them.

Simple Enough II

But the Sheriff was there also and he was a detective.

so.....

That point I cant argue as I don't know. But I can say he left the scene before the "investigation" was done because he thought the scene was under control.

so.....

As for the 3kids..one is jakes girlfriends sister, her boyfriend and another boy. The cover up isn't about the kids or who they are or know. Its about the officials in charge not doing their jobs. Plus how exactly do you have accidental suicude???? Its either accidental or suicide. Cant be both. And that's what the family has a problem with.

Chris vanscoy

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TRISTINPRUITT

WELL SAID COUSIN :) -- then we can see how her family likes it..

brassman

It's so sad that he killed himself and even sadder that the family refuses to accept the truth.

Julie R.

Like.

("Like" was in reference to Chris vanscoy's comment about Kelly that was just deleted .... and certainly not the above comment made by 'brassman')

brassman

Really? You "like" that? You like that someone would suggest violence? Aren't you just a peach.

Julie R.

I didn't see anything in that comment that suggested violence. You must be delusional, sweetie.

brassman

No, honey, but you just said you liked a comment that was calling for violence. Maybe you are the one having delusions or is it that your memory is failing?

brassman

You are disgusting. Sorry you can't accept that the young man killed himself but the facts prove that he did. Those would be the actual facts and not the ones paid for by his family. It was obvious to so many since day one that this was just because they couldn't accept that he did it and was nothing but a witch hunt. We have been proven correct and hopefully we can stop hearing about it now.

mamaC

Brassman have the guts to state your name are one of the witnesses? "We have been proven correct and hopefully we can stop hearing about it now." Your not gonna stop hearing about this! It will haunt you in your sleep and the rest of your life if you DO Not come Forward with the TRUTH! STOP hiding Behind Sandusky County and THEIR COVER-UP!

sandtown born a...

The truth shall set you free or get you locked up in this case

brassman

Why would it haunt me? It's just a news story.

TRISTINPRUITT

"WE have been proven correct, hopefully WE can stop hearing about it now"

is that implying WE as in your with the people involved in sandusky county that didnt do their jobs ?

mamaC

Please everyone calm down. Jake DID NOT kill himself. Please refer to Justice for Jake Facebook page and see the autopsy report along with the evidences showing what Sandusky County EMS states & Capt. Meggitt report. Notice Lucas county says Right to Left and the others say Left to right! This is what is called a "Bought & Paid" for report LOOKS LIKE!!She did NOT have all the info. Or is O'Connell going to somehow change all the paperwork to reflect his findings? And then to top if off have Julie Saul look at this who has worked hand and hand with Lucas County before! To reconstruct skull fragments to demonstrate their reports.. How can that be done? when her report is so messed up with entry of gun shot to the others? Is everyone drinking the Kool Aid in this case to fight this family?

brassman

Bought & paid for was Wecht's report

Krissy3

And you don't think beisser is being paid for hers?

brassman

He may not have meant to kill himself but he did

mamaC

Ok Tough guy.. Why don't you submit a report on this statement? When Lucas county can't even get an entry wound right? That is "Bought & Paid for" get YOUR facts right before you go spewing your stuff!If it were your child you want scientific proof at this point and Sandusky County has FAiled..

brassman

What do you mean by "tough guy"? They wanted an official autopsy & now they have it. They paid to get the result they wanted and it was inaccurate. It's just like in trials, even with overwhelming evidence, the defense will always be able to find "experts" who will back them up. A coroner working for another county has no reason to do anything but give a report based on the scientific evidence and that's what she did. Jake has his justice...a true and factual autopsy. It just isn't what the family wants to hear. It's sad but it is what it is. He shot himself.

TRISTINPRUITT

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Krissy3

How are your reading and comprehension skills brassman? Her report does not say he killed himself. Her report does not state there is any scientific evidence proving that he killed himself. The report says the scientific evidence that would determine if he killed himself (the determination of range) gives no indication of soot but no determination can be made. This means she doesn't know how far away the gun was so it may have been a suicide or it may not have been. There is no more evidence that he killed himself now than there was before. "Not inconsistent" only means it is possible, not proven.

mrite

Apparently, Krissy, you are the one with comprehension prblems.

"The second autopsy confirms the initial conclusion by Sandusky County sheriff's deputies: Jacob Limberios killed himself but it might have been accidental."

This statement indicates that she concurrs with the initial coroners report the he did indeed kill himself.

Krissy3

Did you actually read the report. She says he might have committed suicide. She says she's unable to determine the range so she doesn't know if it was a contact wound or distant wound. That means its possible that is was a suicide, but also possible it was a homicide. It says the results are not inconsistent. That only means it is possible, not that it is proven. It also says the manner of death is pending until Wukie makes a decision, so she isn't even deciding on her own autopsy report. It also says the manner of death is not decided on the autopsy table, which means she has no scientific evidence proving suicide or homicide and she is letting the county decide.

Why don't you actually read the report instead of a media headline?

mrite

Are you implying that the SR is misleading us??

mrite

Read it. Her opinion is not indifferent to Wukie's.

Krissy3

She doesn't give an opinion! She says the manner of death is pending. That means she didn't decide or offer an opinion whether it is suicide or homicide. She simply stated to Dr. Wukie that it could have been a suicide. Good lord!

sandtown born a...

your opinion is just that a opinion, I hope your never in the spot of this family dealing with totally mayberry investigating and forensics or the lack there of. I dont know what the truth really is nor does it affect me in any way, but to see the type of investigation and CYA steps taken here from stonewalling to flat out neglience in upholding the law is just sad to say it mildly

so.....

The boy is right handed. His exitt wound is on the right side. Please explain how he did that?

bobaluey

some people can shoot or write with either hand.

so.....

really??? That's your answer???? Very scientific

bobaluey

anythings possible

so.....

Again. .really???? That's the best you can do?? Winning a 500million dollar powerball is possible. Chances of it happening. ..slim. just like jake shooting with both hands...smh

starryeyes83

They said "either" hand NOT both,

Big difference.

so.....

Ok starry....chances of jake being able to shoot with EITHER HAND is slim. Doesnt change the chances of a right handed person shooting with his left hand.

starryeyes83

Ah, but, SLIM is not NONE.

chongo

Good, how many more times is the family gonna have to hear the same conclusion here before we stop spending tax dollars over and over for the same results.. time to close the case, and start the healing.. move on a bit if/when we can.

mrite

It appears that Dr Beisser did enlist the help of others:

"Beisser also enlisted a forensic anthropologist to reconstruct Limberios’ skull fragments to gather more information about the gunshot wound to Limberios’ head, according to her report. Beisser said her report was hampered by an inability to examine all tissue samples Wecht took from Limberios."

Maybe if the self described "world famous" Dr Wecht would have assisted by providing the requested samples this could have had a more concrete answer.

mamaC

MRite you would NOT give up the last tissue sample if it was the Last piece of evidence of proof that your child didn't kill themselves! Explain this then how can Dr. Beisser say the bullet was RIGHT TO LEFT when the Sandusky County EMS & Capt. Meggitt & the funeral home along with Dr Wecht say it was Left To Right??? Now Dr. Beisser wants this Julie Saul to agree with her and prove it by reconstruction that it went RIght TO Left. She has even been discredited by the Ohio Supreme Court as not a creditable excerpt in this. Review Justice for Jake facebook page for all this info coming out! This family has nothing to hide behind and has all the proof they need. So quit being a troll and deal with the facts!

brassman

Yes, you would. If you really wanted to know the truth, then you would make sure they had every bit of evidence. It seems more like the truth isn't as important as not wanting to admit that he killed himself.

mamaC

Brassman sounds like your guilty of something??? do tell please..

brassman

What are you talking about?

sandtown born a...

MAYBE if the investigating was done to begin with this would not even be being discussed at all

so.....

He did supply them when he did his autopsy. But they have managed to disappear. Now they want the rest of the sample too. So that can disappear too???
She also said answers are not found at the autopsy table but also with the crime scene. The county hampers that part because they allowed those kids to change clothes, shoes without bagging and taking them.they threw them away.

sandtown born a...

Beisser and Wecht agree the bullet entered in a downward direction.(taken from the news messenger) OK I am no forensics expert BUT HOW IN THE HECK WAS THE BULLET THAT KILLED HIM RECOVERED FROM THE CIELING MONTHS LATER

sandtown born a...

OK lets see here he was standing on his head with a cell phone in his right hand while talking on it, a 357 handgun in his nondominant left hand accidentally shoots himself in the head then still manages to put his phone in his right front pocket which is where they found it, YEP makes perfect sense to me CASE CLOSED, SIGNED SANDUSKY COUNTY

Kayleigh.Bowers

Hey Will! Ya Brassman, hope you're having a good day! If you're with sean tell him I say hi. Oh and dont misread this article, it is not in the witnesses favor the author is just touching base with what Cynthia Beisser reported so don't get too excited over all of this.

brassman

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Kayleigh.Bowers

Thats the response I was expecting from you, Will.

brassman

Wow, you just can't accept that unbiased citizens can actually have an opinion different than yours. I don't know anyone named Will. My name is Andrew and I am not involved personally in any of this fiasco.

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