Three dead in Fremont bar shooting

Elmore police officer among those killed; fourth victim from bar shooting, and fifth victim in an unrelated shooting both flown to a Toledo hospital
Register
Mar 9, 2014

10:45 a.m. update: Names of dead released — Fremont police released the names of three people who were killed in a 1:30 a.m. shooting this morning at the Last Call Cantina in Fremont: 

The dead are: 

• Jose Andy Chavez, 26, an Elmore police officer

• Ramiro Sanchez, 28

• Daniel Ramirez,  25

A fourth person was injured in the Last Call shooting and flown to a Toledo hospital. His condition is unknown. He is: 

• Ramiro Arreola, 25.

A fifth person was flown to a Toledo hospital after an unrelated shooting about two hours later and his condition is unknown. He is:

• Cardall Beachum, 44

Click HERE for photos from the scene early Sunday morning

Earlier updates

Three people were killed in Fremont overnight when a gunman opened fire inside the Last Call Bar on West Sate Street.

"Two were pronounced dead at the scene," a news release from the Fremont Police Department states.

A third person died later at Fremont Memorial Hospital, and a fourth victim who was shot was flown to a Toledo Hospital.

There was a second shooting at about 3 a.m. in the area of the Night RIders Motorcycle Club in the 200 block of Allen Street, police said. Nobody was located after police went there, but a male later showed up at the Fremont Memorial Hospital suffering from a gunshot wound to the abdomen.

That man who was shot in the second incident refused to provide police information about what happened.  

The two incidents appear unrelated, police said, and they are still searching for the shooters involved.

A  person who contacted the Register said an off-duty Elmore police officer was among the dead. 

The woman told the Register she was at a restaurant when she heard about the shooting. 

"I was at Denny's eating when everybody started talking about this shooting," she said. "I drove by and there were 17 police cars, local, the sheriff and the state police there."

She said she was told a bouncer at the bar was killed, along with an off-duty Elmore police officer.

An Elmore police cruiser was among the many police cruisers she saw at the Last Call when she drove past the bar.  A body was still lying in a doorway, she said. 

The shooting at the Last Call occurred at about 1:30 a.m., police said, and the suspected gunman was described as a short male.

Police are asking anyone with information to contact the Fremont Police Department at 419-332-6464.

Detective Sgt Bliss and det. Captain Wolf are investigating. 

Check back here for updates as they become available.

Comments

BabyMomma

Roughest bar in Fretroit for sure. Glad I live in Sandusky now where it's safe!

coasterfan

Fremont is no less safe than Sandusky. It's a situational thing. I would guess that, if you did a study to see which venue experienced more violence, any bar in any city at 1:30am is going to see more violence than, say, a community theatre, where I spent last evening.

Dr. Information

bar vs community theater on violence at 1:30am, and you say the community theater more than likely has a history of less violence.

Boy you sure are a true GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a freaking GEM.

BabyMomma

Nobody ever gets shot at a theater, guaranteed.-Abraham Lincoln

reddog

Good One!

Dr. Information

coaster is about as brain dead as they get.

Simple Enough II

They say there were also reported gunshots down town, did the Mexicans tangle with that black bike (wannabees) gang down by Bidwell? They turned a small black church into their "clubhouse" and run it as an after-hours club I think theirvoatch is blue crickets or moon knights or something like that.

BabyMomma

I don't know if it was a church prior, but it's in the old Fremont Wreckers boxing club.

holysee

Alcohol. Remind me again why pot is still illegal.

thinkagain

Because if it wasn’t, we’d have more brain dead stoners like yourself bringing down the average IQ.

holysee

So what is your IQ?

thinkagain

Sorry, I don’t believe in bragging on the internet. Just makes a person seem desperate.

44846GWP

thinkagain: You have th IQ of a dead person.

wetsu

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

thinkagain

And yet, hypocrite that you are…you just judged me.

It’s OK though, you’re just another biblical illiterate butchering the true meaning of Matt 7:1-5.

wetsu

Nice try. Do you know holysee to be a pothead? He doesn't need your approval for his comment, nor do I. I admit to being flawed, give it a try.

ladydye_5

Yes...no one knows the bible like thinkagain...he is the ONLY one that can quote it. He is the only one that gets to cherry pick quotes to throw at people. Everyone else is illiterate. I have a feeling he would call GOD himself illiterate when it comes to knowing the bible.

thinkagain

“Yes...no one knows the bible like thinkagain...”

Thank you! It just goes to show you’ve been paying attention in class.

mikeylikesit

thinkagain is really fred phelps. the only thing that works him up more than weed is anything to do with gays.

OakHarborRulz

What an intelligent comment. I guess we need to keep marijuana smokers in jail because prejudicial buffoons like yourself are "scared" of marijuana.... Get over yourself. Alcohol is much worse than marijuana and that is perfectly legal. And btw, people who want to smoke marijuana get their hands on it -- keeping it illegal hasn't kept people from smoking it. It's only put people in jail who should be free, but thanks to people like you, they're in prison because.... wait for it.... THEY SMOKED MARIJUANA!!!

thinkagain

Burnouts to the left of me, stoners to the right.

Thanks for all your doper inclinations and pothead pontifications.

Highlight of the day for a stoner…sitting around blowing smoke into their pets' faces while watching old Cheech and Chong movies.

Potheads, break the psychological addiction before your life goes up in smoke.

Truth2u

" keeping it illegal hasn't kept people from smoking it"

So those who smoke it are lawless and disrespect authority, great argument for its defense.

Unassumer

No place is safe. People are crazy. You never know who's going to go off next. I am seriously considering getting a gun and a CCW.

grumpy

The first thing you need to learn is situational awareness. There are places and situations you just need to stay the he77 away from. A gun is just a tool. There is someone always strronger faster and a better shot under pressure than you. That is when you screwed up and failed to realise you needed to get the he77 away before it went there.

BabyMomma

Take a CCW into a bar and you are a criminal anyways. Nobody is ALLOWED to have a gun in a liquor establishment. How did he get one in there if it's illegal.

Dr. Information

Completely false. Ohio passed a law that allows you to carry into any bar as long as you are not consuming.

BabyMomma

I just googled it. We can NOW, take one drink though........

Dr. Information

So what is your point? Now is now!

BabyMomma

My point is retard, I was wrong. You corrected me. I agreed with you. Stop being such a d-bag about it. I knew it used to be the law, we changed it, I didn't hear about the change until now. Please excuse my ignorance as I am obviously way too ignorant to engage in a conversation because I missed a change in our CCW laws.......you must get your a$$ed kicked a lot.

Dr. Information

ah, name calling. typical.

BabyMomma

That may have been uncalled for, but who corrects someone, has that person acknowledge he was wrong, then still attacks his comment? YOU WERE RIGHT, I WAS WRONG

Dr. Information

I wasn't attacking. Sorry man, its all good, enjoy the day.

BabyMomma

Thank you, you do the same.

grandmasgirl

I thought the same thing. Seems some people can get away with the name calling and some can't.

Simple Enough II

Wrong, the law was changed due to so many places like applebees @ such having a liquor license. If its posted " no firearms or weapons allowed" don't get caught carrying in there. Before you get your ccw you might want to go to the Ohio attorney generals website and become familiar with the laws.

BabyMomma

I'm taking the class in a month, I do try to keep updated on new laws, I certainly hope they will cover where I can, and can't carry when I take the course though.

BabyMomma

Also, read the comments before posting. I had already acknowledged I was wrong at 9:00 a.m. Then you come on here at 9:21 a.m. To tell me what I already knew. Dr. information already corrected me, twice. I am such a dumb person for not knowing that.

Dr. Information

Who are you taking your class through?

BabyMomma

I was planning on going to the place on Perkins Ave across from the car wash beside the storage facility,but My wife got us a guy in Sandusky county, I'll ask her his name and get back to you.

arnmcrmn

I rarely post anymore but this came across my FB feed just now. In Ohio its not a CCW its a CHL (Concealed Handgun License) but thats here nor there. My wife and I went to a class in Columbus (I know a drive from Sandusky) but after hearing horror stories from so many people about bad instructors and leaving the class feeling no more informed than when they walked in, I had to do some research on classes. Mid Ohio Firearms is just flat out awesome. One day, all day class that assumes you have never handled a firearm before. The guy who instructs it does it out of his house (he has a classroom in his house) and its very clean and professional and the guy is a really good instructor. We went to the Powder Room in Powell for our on sight training firing our handguns and each person there fired 50 rounds, having to hit at least 20 inside a 9 inch circle. He taught us different stances also which was very informative. If you need any more information just Google mid ohio firearms. Its a wonderful class and you will leave feeling so much better.

Seen it All

Thanks for that info.

reddog

There is an attorney, Terry Rudes (not sure of the spelling), I think he teaches the CCW class in or around Sandusky County. People speak highly of him. I am thinking of taking the class myself.

grumpy

"Terry Rudes"

He is the best in this area. He is an attorney and knows the CCW laws backward and forward. He is also a very longtime shooter.

kidokat05

Cleland's in Swanton, OH (Maumee, basically) also offers an amazing CCW class.... all in one day as well.... and a bit closer than Columbus. Couldn't have asked for a better overall understanding of everything you posted above. Thanks!!! This is their link: http://www.clelands.com

meowmix

Mid Ohio on SR# 590? HA! That is where my husband took the class and he said all it was was a "I hate Obama" lovefest. But then again, I don't see how taking a 12 hour course, even if you've never shot a gun in your life, qualifies anybody to carry a concealed weapon.

chasf

mid ohio firearm is on N. Toussaint S. Rd
Oak Harbor OH 43449, sportsman stop is on sr590

meowmix

You're right chasf! - Sorry, got the two confused. I wish he would have gone then to Mid-Ohio.

Simple Enough II

Good catch on that! Steve Stotz and Mr. Seaman do a very good one, with covering the laws etc and going into good detail and they have a very practical firing program.

arnmcrmn

The mid ohio firearms I was referring to is in Dublin Ohio. www.midohiofirearms.com

Simple Enough II

Um, because the post didn't initially go through.

Simple Enough II

Um, because the post didn't initially go through.

AllWiseYoda

The signage behind the bar is an ATF government sign. If you have a chl that no longer applies, the sign is for non chl carry (whether illegally concealed or legal open carry). The business must have a sign stating no firearms of their own, any business not just a bar. And if you are carrying in a business that has a sign posted they can ask you to leave, if you dont they can call police for trespassing.

Simple Enough II

Flight before fight if given the option!

kidokat05

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN GRUMPY!!!!! You are right on the money on EVERY post. Situational awareness AMEN (don't go calling me names about being about "religion" due to my amens... i'm not a "bible thumper" Amen means yes... just to save you some time replying...)

BabyMomma

I've got the pistol, CCW class in a month.

coasterfan

Yeah, it's getting more that way. No place truly is safe. Instead of using words or fists when a problem arises, a lot of people have a gun handy, and choose a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Anger and a handy firearm are a horrible combination, and since our amygdala allows emotion to trump reason, this sort of thing happens all the time.

The truly scary thing about it is how callous we've become towards gun violence. No one even bats an eye anymore when someone kills someone with a gun. Heck, I'll bet a gun nut could even shoot up an elementary school, kill 20+ kindergartners, and the 2nd Amendment folks would STILL fight sensible/reasonable background checks. Oh wait...that already happened.

swiss cheese kat

oh shut up.

LadyC

So true! Don't have a brain or a better way to solve a problem? Get a gun! And brag about what a Christian nation we are, too.

Truth2u

So you make no distinction between a few idiots and law abiding citizens. How easy it is for you to ignore the fact that if you take citizens guns away only the criminals will have them, and that is a fact.

You people will make excuses for a religion that murders people by flying planes into buildings and tell us we can't condemn all of them for a few bad ones, it would be nice if you applied that logic to gun owners as well.

LadyC

I don't know who you mean by "you people" and you seem to have jumped to a lot of conclusions. Nowhere did I say all the guns should be taken away or banned. I am just sick of some of the mentality that I see quite often these days. A gun should be nothing more than a tool, a last resort, not an object of worship or a problem solver for people who don't have the brains or guts to figure out a better alternative.

althenaruby

Any more information yet? Do they know who did it?

Matt Westerhold

Three people from the Register are working on the story. We'll keep updating today as more information becomes available. Check back here. 

BabyMomma

Thanks, we'll be sure to jeep our eyes on this site.

coasterfan

Jeeps are cool, but I think I'll SUV my eyes instead.

BabyMomma

Cherokees are SUV's

Simple Enough II

Hmmmm, I now know what woke me up, not the gunshots but the sirens.

gene44870

Lol so many critics it laughable

BabyMomma

*it's......Sorry, I had to!

worddrow811

When we find violence in our own backyard, it's how can this happen?
The spiritual emptiness of our society today continues to manifest in these stupid acts of violence because some people choose to be violent.
Prayers to all involved because so-called random acts of violence are not random, they are deliberate.

2grandkids

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grandmasgirl

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bushwacker

Baby momma, you're an idiot with nothing more than middle school education. Get off welfare, get a job, and find something else to do with your time besides making stupid comments showing how uneducated you are.

BabyMomma

Thanks I'll keep that in mind pudwacker.

gene44870

This is terrible now three more died at the hands of a person with total disregard for human life. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families . One can only hope that justice will be able to prevail and the ones responsible are arrested and taken off the streets .

Dr. Information

Someone touched on this awhile back and I agree. Our society needs Jesus now more than ever before. Instead of bellying up at a bar drinking your life away each weekend, how about surrounding yourself with positive people.

We keep hearing and seeing the same people in the paper each week and these losers wonder why? Is it just bad luck? Not at all. They continue to live the loser life and surround themselves with losers and its a cycle of everyone trying to bring each other down. We need people to be lifted up, but that is up to them. I have a great church in Norwalk if anyone is interested.

ladydye_5

I can be a good person, know right from wrong, and NOT kill/hurt people without Jesus or a church.

holysee

I knew this was going to happen once those idiots started drinking.
Guns are good for a self-regulating alcoholic population.

starryeyes83

Either way you slice this, and piss in the wind about it. It's scary as hell.

The problem is this : The criminals Don't obey the laws , read the signs or give a flyin' F.

If a lowlife is hell bent on killing someone what's to stop them? Sounds drug -related.

I really hope a cop being shot rumor isn't true.

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Channel 13 is not reporting anything new at this posting.

ladydye_5

It is not a rumor.

starryeyes83

That sucks.

Jmschmidt812

The cop was a cousin to a friend of mine. Just a series of tragic events in Fremont. Prayers to all the families affected by such senseless violence.

BabyMomma

Agreed. The 3 were killed were all related to my friends from school. Very sad.

Stop It

This guy is well known locally and in the area.

Jim Colvin
Ohio Concealed carry class
March 23rd Class is 8am-8pm and fulfills all the state requirements. Cost is $100 for single, $175 for couples, gift certificates available. Include coffee, hot chocolate, Donuts in the morning, Drinks/ snacks thru out the day, Lunch, all class materials, required passport picture is done in class , Handgun available for those without one. Seating limited. Location:Great Lakes Paintball club house Bellevue call Jim @ 419-271-5652

worddrow811

this aside, to Mr. colvin, your pricing is discriminating against single people and should not be allowed. WHY SHOULD ONE PERSON PAY MORE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MARRIED. Change your prices to reflect that! to anyone who is thinking of taking the class, refuse to pay the higher amount.

rbenn

Oh shut the hell up, damn crybaby

worddrow811

What makes you so angry that you have to verbally abuse others about whom you know nothing? I have a legitimate point. Descrimination comes in many forms.

Babo

It's not discrimination, it's a price break for two people to promote sales. Go with a friend and you will receive the same price.

worddrow811

Why should I have to pay a different price regardless of what it is called? Single people are being charged more for the same event and that is wrong. The obvious point is that the event planners lose money by not charging the same price, so how is that finacially smart?

Babo

Have you ever seen a sale such as buy one get the second for half price? It's the same idea.

ladydye_5

No you do not have a legitimate point. It is a private business using a "SALE" to entice more people to sign up. No different than using a coupon. Same as offering a military or senior discount. Although I am sure you would complain about that too.

worddrow811

what do you call what you are doing, giving advice?

rbenn

cause whiny little people like you always cry about crap, if u dont like what he offers go somewhere else.

YouMustBeJoking

NO reading signs, you DON"T have a point. The price reflects a discount for a "couple" meaning pair, not spouse. Also if you're that simple minded, you shouldn't be allowed to carry a CCW or CHL. Your comment has to be one of the most ridiculously ignorant, comment I've ever seen. What a joke!

worddrow811

and I work hard at it, so thank you. have a nice day to all of you who took the bait.

rbenn

Took the bait? LOL more like trying to cover up your stupidity. Nice try though

worddrow811

My intelligence is not in question. Those of you who are attacking my opinions by calling me names are an example of how violence escalates. I gave my opinion on something that I believe to be wrong and you have no compassion, understanding or strength of character to discuss it with me.

rbenn is really angry and it has nothing to do with me. I stand by what I said and I am not a gun owner, nor will I ever be. Next time, people, trying putting yourself in the other persons place. Anger and violence are a cry for help.

worddrow811

Yes I do have a point and I stand by what I said. I do not call anyone names to make them feel less than someone else and you might do well to change your attitude.

worddrow811

I'm glad you like my sense of humor. We could all do with a few more laughs so people will stop shooting each other to make a point.

kidokat05

I'm sure Mr. Colvin would be willing to consider a "couple" any 2 people who signed up for the class together. Not necessarily "single" as in married status. I believe it maybe should just have been worded differently. Single/Double, 1 person, 2 people, etc.

TBMA2012

"when they walked in, I had to do some research on classes. Mid Ohio Firearms is just flat out awesome. One day, all day class that assumes you have never handled a firearm before. The guy who instructs it does it out of his house (he has a classroom in his house) and its very clean and professional and the guy is a really good instructor. We went to the Powder Room in Powell for our on sight training firing our handguns and each person there fired 50 rounds, having to hit at least 20 inside a 9 inch circle. "

Wow.... I bet you are totally ready to defend yourself after that. SMH

grumpy

This is the reason I haven't done CCW classes for years, even though I have the NRA instructor certificate. Many if not most folks who take the training either have rarely shot a hand gun, or never shot a hand gun. If you aren't already competent handling and shooting a handgun you shouldn't have a CCW. But that is my opinion, the law doesn't state that, but my personal principals do.

That said most CCW's are not used. If they get a handgun it is rarely carried, but I don't want to know that some fool who can't handle a handgun is carrying and I passed them for his CCW. Especially if he uses it and shouldn't have. Like martial arts, golf, or even shooting pool , if you don't practice and learn, you might hit the ball, but that does not mean you can play on a pool league level, let alone a Minnesota Fats level.

LadyC

It is good to know that you have these principles, too bad a lot of the others don't. Some of my posts may suggest that I am anti-gun, but that isn't true. I just don't like to see so many of these fools acting like a CCW or an arsenal is the answer to everything. And not knowing how to responsibly handle firearms, or having the sense to keep them away from small children or family members who are mentally unstable is becoming a big problem. I really think there should be age-appropriate gun safety education for children, just like they do with fire drills and the talking to strangers warnings. Teaching them that there is a difference between a toy and the real thing, etc. Maybe then they will grow up with some sense about firearms, unlike many of their parents with the glamorized vigilante attitudes.

arnmcrmn

Who are all these people you are referring to? I have never witnessed anyone with a CHL acting like billy bad butt and threatening to use their gun. You say so many and I call BS.

And there are age appropriate gun safety classes available all over this state.

LadyC

You can call BS all you want. I'm not naming names or trying to start an argument. Maybe you don't see and hear what I do.

As for the gun safety, I am suggesting something in schools, like they do with Fire Safety week. Have a veteran or police officer give some facts to all the kids.

arnmcrmn

I think you are overreacting. With the amount of CHL currently in this state, there are far more upstanding citizens who you would never know are packing a CHL, let alone a gun vs those who act all big and bad as you say.

Im not reading about CHL citizens shooting people in the papers daily. I have and continue to read about non law abiding criminals using deadly force daily in the papers.

LadyC

I am not targeting CHL (CCW) citizens or responsible gun owners. Maybe that is the impression I gave. What I do not like to see, is this bandwagon people want to jump on, every time there is a shooting, robbery, or some kind of trouble. Read through some of the comments, you may see what I mean. I see it on other posts, social media, and other news sources. Many have a George Zimmerman mentality and very short fuses. There are many, many accidental and preventable shootings that occur because people have the idea that they must be armed, and have not just one gun, but an arsenal. I have seen plenty of pictures on Facebook, family pictures of little kids with cute pink guns, and that to me is sickening. I am against the whole movement and paranoia that because there is a Second Amendment, it must be taken to the extreme and waved in everyone's face. It would be a whole lot smarter to not advertise the fact that you have them at all. Let the bad guy get a surprise.

kidokat05

I couldn't agree with Grumpy's post more. Perfectly said. Absolutely perfect.

JohnDorian12

Nothing good ever happens after 1:30am, too many morons can't fight anymore so they have to shoot....and they end up involving innocent people...

he said she said

I have a question. Why does someone always throw in religion when something bad happens? I'm not knocking anyone who is religious but not all people go to church, believe in God, or read the Bible. You can't teach religion to someone who has no interest in learning it. I'm not religious but I'm also not out shooting people. Please don't say that someone who doesn't have the spiritual guidance that is lacking in our society today is the reason for people to do the things that they do.

nosey rosey

Agree with you completely. I believe religion is a crutch but I would never think that hurting someone or breaking the law is a valid method of problem solving.

worddrow811

If you're referring to my comment, I can give this answer. A spiritual person chooses to do good because they know that to do otherwise will harm their souls.

Religion, in my opinion, dictates to people how they should act based on something written in a book and overlooks the spirit inside each of us.

People who are empty, spiritually speaking, will try to fill that emptiness with drugs, alcohol, food, sex or being abusive to others. They will not act differently until they make the choice to not do harm to others or themselves.

Violence harms more than just the people involved at the moment.

he said she said

Like I stated before, I'm not religious and I'm certainly not empty. I don't do drugs, I don't use alcohol, I eat 3 meals a day, have no interest in sex and I'm a DV survivor so I am not abusive to others because I know how it feels.

Add alcohol to anything and there is more chance of violence because alcohol affects a person's brain differently. Some become more calm, some are the lovers, some are a laugh riot (the happy drunk) and some get violent (the mean drunk).

You just can't blame everything on not having faith or spiritual guidance.

IMO only, people that holler religion are the biggest hypocrites because most of the ones that yell I'm a religious person are the same ones that are sitting in church on Sunday smelling of booze and are hung over from a night at the bar on Saturday...

KURTje

Stop it, has Jim ever killed anyone or all his classes static? Stress fire vs static is proven to be very different. just asking

grumpy

Shooting someone is one thing, being shot at and still being able to keep enough cool to be able to competently shoot back, is the tough part.

FBI used to keep statistics on a shooting incidents. For decades most shootout were within 12 feet and over 90% of shots missed cleanly. I haven't looked at those stats for quite awhile but I doubt they have changed, most folks can't shoot when being shot at. Flight or fight takes over and fear and adrenalin don't make for accurate shooting.

Simple Enough II

Very true, takes lots of practise.

kidokat05

Once again, Grumpy is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. And with the price of ammo and many other factors these days, it's very doubtful that most will get this adequate amount of training to be carrying a gun at all. This is when carrying becomes more of a threat than not carrying.

arnmcrmn

Agree. How many free throws do you think anyone of you could make out of 20 without practice? Now practice shooting FT's daily and see the results after a month.

Shooting a gun is no different.

lugnut2511

My condolences go out to the families, friends and community. Im thinking the suspect is halfway to Mexico by now. Just saying.

Simple Enough II

Nah, more likely picayune Mississippi,.

BabyMomma

They have someone in custody

swiss cheese kat

4 mexicans with guns. whats all the fuss about?

Jmschmidt812

Well for one it was one person with a gun, no description given of the suspect. Secondly one was an off duty police officer and another, by what I gather was a soldier. Oh and here's one more thing they were all, wait for it.......... AMERICAN!!!!

LadyC

Thank you. Good response.

DickTracey

Fremont Mayor Jim Ellis, reporting they have one suspect in custody.

Simple Enough II

Ellis, meh.

Simple Enough II

Beachum has a real nice arrest and trial record, was always curios what went on at that after hours bar running under the guise of a "respectable " motorcycle club house? Anyone know who they are a beech club for, I really doubt HA would have anything to do with them.

downthemiddle

And Sandusky will be welcoming this outfit next summer.

getit right be4...

Here is a link to Ohioans for Concealed Carry web page. If you are interested in learning the laws of Ohio there are many folks on the forms that are willing to help out. I have learned a lot from these people over the years.

http://ohioccwforums.org/index.p...

thinkagain

A socialist, an illegal immigrant and a Muslim walk into a bar.

The bartender asks, “what’ll you have Mr. President?” Anyway….

Carrying a gun is antithetical to what Jesus preached, how he lived, and how he died. Trusting in guns is a failure of trust in God’s plan on how the Christian should approach the world and each other.

Gun advocates use of fear mongering in an attempt to create a society where
everyone is armed and in constant fear is nothing short of paranoid irrationality.

Being frightened by your own shadow, you pick up your gun and wave it around to feel like a man. I’d rather die like a man, than live like a coward.

While defensive gun use may occasionally occur successfully, it is rare and very much the exception – it doesn't change the fact that actually owning and using a firearm hugely increases the risk of being shot.

downthemiddle

I agree fully. The bad guy already has his method and gun ready when it starts.

I know some ccw guys.. they are prisoners of their own imaginations... always looking for threats. Even if you have to travel to cities where there is a murder a day, the odds of your being involved are slim.

They truly believe that having that gun protects them.

44846GWP

thinkagain: You know all about fear mongering don't you? You are just a bible thumping mouth breather.

santown419

Where is little girl I mean giant. They always seem to post on here when DJ is the problem. Now its in your backyard does DJ remind you of home now.

Little Giant

Yeah the trash floats down river from Fremont and settles in Sandusky. Isn't it amazing it took Fremont police about a day to find out who this guy was and arrest him? Sandusky has so many dirtbags and the DJ's crowd never sees anything. What do you have to say about that Johnny?

pntbutterandjelly

Now...back to the headlines.

Ned Mandingo

I wonder if it was a illegal alien who shot them?

looking around

Nothing good happens in a bar after midnight! Glad to hear so many CCW holders or future CCW holders will be sitting at the bar sipping cokes and anxiously waiting to protect the unarmed patrons! You might make your first stop at DJ's I hear there is a lot of action there for the caped crusaders! Sometimes the lighting is poor, consider laser sights.

santown419

So do you know by experience about the lighting at DJ's or another freakmont resident.

milemarkerzero

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he said she said

I grew up around guns and have yet to shoot myself or anyone else for that matter. I could shoot someone if my family was in danger but I don't sit and let my imagination run wild and shoot the next person I hear around my house!!

@think again: I hope your Jesus is around when some criminal breaks into your house and threatens your family. Me, personally, would have my gun in reach to protect mine.

Gardenman

Here we go with another murder infact 3 in Sandusky County. Lets hope they can get this investigation correct.

Won't these three deaths have to be ruled on by the Sandusky County Corner? Here we go again..............I wonder if he will come up with some stupid decision this time and give us that....NO I am not changing it no matter how much proof and logic everyone has....how long is it before this guy is up for election? There has to be some doctor in the county more qualified than he is in Sandusky County to be corner. A person right out of medical school I am sure can do a better job than the guy we got now in Sandusky County.

didhejustsaythat76

@babymama just in case you forget how to read the new laws in carry conceal for the state of ohio ,but you ARE in fact allowed to carry a handgun into a bar LEGALLY without being a criminal ... As long as your not drinking and you are a CCW holder ... But with your brilliance on knowing the law I'm sure you already knew that . That's how innocent people protect themselves inside a bar from scumbags like this !

AllWiseYoda

So alot of people who have no idea about carrying a firearm seem to be spouting off alot of garbage here. Get a firearm, get a chl from quality instructor, research and know the firearms you use, and just like any skill practice. Are there chl folks that are idiots? Im sure there are. but I know many chl certified folks that are good people that understand the responsibility of carry a gun. These are people that understand the 4 basic rules of firearms (google em if ya dont know). And by no means does carrying a firearm make you invincible, it is not a talisman that just renders attackers dead. It isnt a gaurantee of getting out of the sitution, but with proper knowledge and training it does give you a better chance than if you didnt have it. And before any of the prior things I mentioned, 1st good training will teach you to be aware and not be in the majority of situations that you would need to use it anyway. And for people that think using a firearm succesfully in a self defense situation is rare, i suggest you go to youtube and view the 1000's of videos of newscast, security cam's, and videos that say other wise. I will go even one further and state that there are more well trained chl citizens than there are police. Alot of people believe that police officers have some magic know how that we dont. If people would research there are alot more run of the day citizens who train more often. Im not trying to offend or irritate folks but alot of commentors have their opinion and try to pass it on as fact. Im just saying look the stuff up. A very high majority of chl holders are knowledgable, well trained, and know how to use good judgement. They also understand the responsibility and consequences of carrying a firearm.

From the Grave

The people that keep talking about CCW here would never be at this bar(for sure that late), or have their gun with them, or even bother to use it if they WERE there(or even have the chance). So it's not even a relevant discussion connected to this story.

gene44870

Hey readers ,don't yea think enough bullets have been shot and enough hate has cause enough blood shed that we don't need to take shots at one another on this blob . We need to support one another and try to understand what happened and why so we can try and put an end to this senseless loss of life. This is a time to morn the loss as well ad the famlies and try to bring the ones responsible to justice. Taken and coming on here and taken shoots at one another is only going to add to a already stress full time for the residents of Fremont as well as the families of the killed or injured .

pepenik99

People don't kill... guns kill......that gun must have feet to have walked into that bar and shot people....and all the way from Texas,er...Mexico.er...Gibsonburg......er?