Sandusky city commission supports tax hikes

Elected officials vote to proceed with increases toward income, admissions tax rates. WITH VIDEO OF MEETING
Andy Ouriel
Jul 23, 2014

 

ouriel@sanduskyregister.com

Sandusky officials, some area activists and those representing Cedar Point all support a packaged tax hike.

More importantly: Will a majority of community members also back this proposal at the polls in November?

Sandusky city commissioners unanimously voted 7-0 to proceed with legislation in placing an income tax issue on the fall ballot. The hour-long discussion and resulting vote occurred during a special meeting Tuesday at City Hall.

The income tax issue, however, comes as a bundled deal.

If a majority of residents approve the income tax issue, then this would trigger a separate, automatic increase for the admissions tax.

So, if a majority of voters approve the income tax measure, then the following scenario would occur come January 2015 and beyond:

• The income tax rate would increase from 1 percent to 1.25 percent, generating an extra $1.5 million each year for city operations. 

The income tax is a fee taken out of paychecks for anyone who works within city limits and might impact some residents working outside of Sandusky, officials said. The income tax only applies to earned income and not, for instance, Social Security payments.

• The admissions tax rate would increase from 3 percent to 4 percent, generating an extra $800,000 each year for city operations. 

The admissions tax is a fee tacked onto ticket sales at Sandusky-based entertainment venues, largely dependent upon Cedar Point — the undisputed giant in the region’s tourism industry.

If a majority of voters reject the proposal, the income and admissions tax rates wouldn’t change.

Despite what happens at the polls, executives at Cedar Fair, Cedar Point’s parent company, vowed to pledge an additional $500,000 a year through private investment toward city operations.

In total, accounting for a issue approval and Cedar Fair’s new revenue source, this would create an additional $2.8 million a year for city services.

Sandusky officials lobbied for a tax increase because of their dismal financial outlook.

Case in point: Finance employees project a $500,000 shortfall in the city’s $16 million everyday operating budget come March 2015.

An estimated shortfall stems from soaring expenses, including health insurance costs  union-approved raises, along with less money coming from state coffers earmarked for city services.

The city’s already made substantial cuts in recent times.

Insufficient funding over the years has resulted in deep staffing cuts — slashing full-time staffing levels about 25 percent, from about 280 workers in 2004 to about 210 today — neglect toward road repairs and, more recently, frequent fire station closures.

Raising taxes, then, signifies a last resort for city officials to preserve and enhance local public services, such as police and fire operations, economic development and road reconstruction. Some of the new tax money also would go toward keeping Sandusky Fire Station No. 7 on Venice Road open at all times.

The proposed plan came together after negotiations and compromises between members of three keys groups:

• Sandusky administrators and all seven commissioners.

• Cedar Fair representatives.

• Members from Rebuild Sandusky, a grassroots organization previously campaigning to raise the admissions tax rate from 3 percent to 6 percent. With this new proposal, Rebuild Sandusky has dropped its plan and will support the proposal commissioners adopted.

 

 

At Tuesday’s meeting, many people spoke about the packaged tax deal.

Among those who expressed their opinions and what they had to say:

 

“We hope this proposal will put us on a path to rebuilding Sandusky and to move this city forward. I believe this is the most fair bargain that could have been reached on this issue.”

— city manager Eric Wobser

 

“I am a no-tax-increase kind of guy, (but) when (city manager) Eric (Wobser) called me about this agreement, I was so excited that I couldn’t wait to get started.”

— commissioner Jeff Smith

 

“I just like the fact that Cedar Fair is willing to start working with the city of Sandusky, and I hope this is the future for even more good things to come. I am going to totally back (this plan).”

— Sandusky resident Jennifer Brindley

 

“When you can get people at the table negotiating and coming to an agreement, I think that says a lot about what we can do. I am very encouraged about that and look forward to what we can do in the future.”

— commissioner Naomi Twine

 

“Could the city get by without any tax increases? Sure. We could close (Sandusky Fire) Station No. 7. We could have more potholes. We could have fewer police. We could eliminate the flowers in our downtown parks. We could stop having Christmas lights. There are all kinds of things we can do without. But I don’t think anyone wants to live in that town. For Sandusky to thrive, the cuts need to stop, and the city needs to start investing.”

— Sandusky resident Jim Timmerberg

 

“We are presenting to the public something that they participated in. We also saw everyone at the table work through problems and come up with a potential solution that is an opportunity for the citizens of Sandusky to invest in themselves. The ultimate goal is to build a city that people want to move into. To do that, we have to do the things all of you have talked about and asked us to try to do that we haven’t had the funds for. Now you have the opportunity, with assistance from our parents at Cedar Fair, to do that.”

— commissioner Wes Poole

 

“We recognize we play a key role in the vitality of our local economy, and we are proud to do our part to advance an optimistic vision for the future of Sandusky. A successful Sandusky plays a big role for the success of Cedar Point, and we are happy to support the proposal.”

— Cedar Point general manager and vice president Jason McClure

 

“I see it as an investment, and I’m willing to invest a quarter (25 cents) of every $100. I am excited on how everything worked out. This is an investment in our future, in our children’s future, in our grandchildren’s future.”

— commissioner Julie Farrar

 

“Our committee will be diligent in overseeing whatever money is given to us. We will make sure everything is spent properly, accounted for properly, looked at properly and done in a good, prudent matter.”

— city finance committee chairman Allen Nickles

 

“It’s never easy bringing a wide variety of ideas together, and I think as quickly as you folks were able to do that really shows the level of caring from everyone involved for this city. It’s an opportunity to turn a corner, and I think we can get a community to rally behind us."

— commissioner Scott Schell

 

“We are at a turning point now. The community can turn to a (better) standard. It will take a few years. It will take some diligence. If this is the way it will get done, I will try to help you get it passed.”

— Sandusky resident Dennis Timple

 

“We are celebrating today because this is a good day for Sandusky, but the work starts right now. This will almost be meaningless if we fall short of convincing our residents that a one-quarter percent tax rate is doable.”

— commissioner Dick Brady

 

“For the first time in many years, I see in the collective eyes of Sandusky something I have not seen in a long time: hope and confidence. We will now have a full debate about the direction of our city, and with the open support of our citizens, business leaders and this commission, I believe the voters will pass this issue. I am well aware of the risks, too. This may be our last, best opportunity to rebuild Sandusky. It will be neither quick nor easy. But I believe we can make our city great again.”

— ex officio mayor Dennis Murray Jr.

 

 

Watch the meeting in the player below

Comments

reader

Thanks for broadcasting this meeting for those of us unable to attend in person.

IT'S ME

LOL, poor Sharon was pretty much told to sit down and SHUT UP!! LOL!!!!

Comrade Boose

Alright still not to late to follow us on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/Rebuild...

MrSandusky

“I am a no-tax-increase kind of guy, (but) when (city manager) Eric (Wobser) called me about this agreement, I was so excited that I couldn’t wait to get started.”

— commissioner Jeff Smith

Yeah, these are the people that we elect in this town...

Comrade Boose

Everyone should be excited, basically for every dollar that is contributed through income tax the admissions tax and Cedar Points tax restructuring matches.

sugar

Will you be paying the tax? Or are you retired? Or did you get a raise ?

Comrade Boose

I pay taxes in Sandusky and why do I pay taxes? Because I use the services that are provided! Why wouldn't I want to pay 25 cents for every $100.00 I earn if Cedar Point is going to match it.

sugar

So you pay payroll taxes to Sandusky? Please tell me what services you use?

Comrade Boose

I drive on the roads, walk on the side walks, use the parks, called the ambulance before, feel safe with the police protection provided. Have had my tree trimmed back when that service was provided.

But now I will be getting extra money added to my contribution what a city.

sugar

How asinine, lol I want to pay more, because CP will pay ore. How about the city learn to live within it's means?

Comrade Boose

Once again try to stay with me here.
1. The city is trying to live with in it's means they have cut the work force by 1/3
2. Since then The governor has cut local funding
3. Although it is a slight tax increase of .25 cents on every $100.00 of income that is earned there is a match bonus of almost the same amount. I do not think there are any other cities out there that can make this claim
4. All of your arguments are WEAK so far

sugar

This city has more of an income than many of it's size because of CP. They need no more of MY money. It's MY money I earn it I do not want to give them one more dime. They are not prudent with my money.
What's weak is allowing a group of people to take more of my money and pi** it away giving it to their union buddies and pet projects.
Now I don't care what you say, you bully big mouth, I will continue to post my comments and hope that there are many who feel the same way and vote a big fat NO come November.

Sandumpy Proud

All hail Comrade Smith! I don't like taxes but I vote for increasing them. Thank you for your leadership Comrade Smith!

Comrade Boose

Remember folks you can help "Rebuild Sandusky" by voting YES in November!

sugar

Never minded you may not have enough money to eat, make your car payment, clothe your children. We must Rebuild Sandusky! And in 5 yrs our brilliant gov will have torn it down again, and what's .25% once more?!

WhatTheHeck

That Brindley woman is HOT !!

sugar

This is BS, what a crock. Yes, isn't this wonderful timing! Load of garbage . Vote NO!

CommonsenseNow

An estimated shortfall stems from soaring expenses, including health insurance costs union-approved raises ... have to pay those union approved raises.

Stop It

Did they all hold hands and sing "Kumbayah" at the end?

IT'S ME

I'm ok with the .25% increase of income tax, but make the admission tax at least 5%.
Sounds like Cedar Fair is BUYING the tax rate THEY want!

Factitious

Too late. Already done. Sounds like what you would have done is pretty close to this. Will you support it?

YoMamma

But it's such a savings over 2004! What a bargain, thanks city commissioners!

Taxed Enough Already

OH goodie now we can hire more "tree trackers" YIPPEE!!!!!!

MrSandusky

But the trees magically stop crime, just look at the studies done by people that are paid to track trees...

sugar

Most of us have had NO raises in years, some of us took cuts, we see the city workers all got raises. What don't you commissioners and you Mr. Wobser understand ? Where should we take this extra .25 from? Our food budgets? Our children's medical care? Stop going to work because we took it from our gasoline budgets?

CommonsenseNow

Totally agree.

Darkhorse

It all worked out as planned. Its all in the strategic planning and it was brilliant. The hard part starts with trying to sell the tax to the citizens.

Enough_Already

YES! Punish the productive people, all the while dishing out to the leaches of society! Great Idea!

sugar

Wobser is just another big gov lackey. Of course that's why he was hired.

knowitall

Common sense should prevail, not emotional responses. I just watched the video of the commission meeting. I think the city administration was very smart to work out a plan in concert with CP. Like it or not, relations with CP are important. Like it or not our city has lost tax payers through the years. The population used to be near 33,000 and now is about 25,000. There are the same number of streets, the same water plant, the same parks, etc, etc. in order to pay to keep those fixed costs those who remain must pay a greater percentage. That is just the arithmetic. I am surprised the proposed income tax only went up 0.25%. Of course, that will not sustain us forever. The fact that there will not be a fight with CP is a great thing. The fact that they were agreeable to a 1% increase and also a $500,000 kicker is great too. I will whole heartedly vote yes!

Gottathink

Nice, well thought out response knowitall.
It bites that there is a tax increase for those working ...as no one needs MORE taken out of our paychecks ...but it is a modest increase. Sometimes have to give a bit to get some things that you want.
I think that's called compromise?

knowitall

Thanks Gotta.....you comments are right on.

Enough_Already

And the same amount of government workers. Population is down 25% in accordance to your numbers, yet they increase the punishment of productive citizens by 25%. Sounds like 50% mismanagement to me.

knowitall

No Enough.....you are totally wrong on your numbers. City workforce is down from years ago. As Sgt Friday would say, "just the facts ma'am ". So, get your f-act together. Do ya like the pun?

Enough_Already

The pun is pretty lame. They aren't my numbers if you read the original post above (so much for your moniker).
But when the government extorts money from the citizens via threat of imprisonment or confiscation of real property, they have the duty to treat said monies with the utmost respect. A 25% increase without a 25% reduction of services, which is an intangible commodity, shows a lack of respect for the money forfeited.
They people in Eire county are being fleeced beyond comprehension, as they all walk around in a daze.

knowitall

25% reduction in full time workforce since 2004. So, what do you not understand about the numbers?

sugar

Population down, leeches up, the poor suckers who can't sell their homes here are stuck paying for the mess. Most of us work outside Sandusky because unless you work at Firelands there are NO JOBS in the city. So some of us pay taxes in the city we work in and get to come back here and pay more. There was a time when you got a break, not anymore too many non paying citizens and greedy public sector union types.

Comrade Boose

Sugar,
You pay for the services you use because you live here.

sugar

And I think they have enough money to provide said services. I pay extra for lawn waste, I pay extra for water and sewer, if I ever did need a ride in an ambulance I would pay extra for that too, I can't remember the last time I called the police dept. Cut the salaries and benefits of the civil "servants" and make due with what you have because that is what I have to do.

Factitious

You seem to be saying you would leave if you could sell your house.

Comrade Boose

Sugar,
Since it is obvious you don't want to live in Sandusky and you can not contribute anything but negativity here is a site to sell your house www.800buykwik.com
We at 800-BUY-KWIK take pride in creating Win-Win situations. Our goal is to provide Fast Real Estate Relief to our customers by making you an offer in 24 hours or less.

Perkins Resident

So you want even more renters in your hood than what you have now? Nice.

Comrade Boose

No what I don't want is negative people like you that contribute nothing to Sandusky!

The Big Dog's back

Hear Hear!

Perkins Resident

Too bad. Free speech is a wonderful thing. Say hi to your renting neighbors for me.

sugar

Comrade, who the f calls themselves Comrade? I don't need your approval to voice my displeasure. I will continue to a scream my displeasure at the top of my lungs. Don't like it? Tough sh**.

Comrade Boose

Sugar,
It is clearly evident that you do not have the intelligence to figure out the meaning of Comrade Boose.

Once again your arguments are weak join the cause and help Rebuild Sandusky!

sugar

My silly weak arguments really have you upset don't they?

Comrade Boose

Once again another weak rebuttal Sugar

sugar

Yet you respond.

WhatTheHeck

now I know why you knowitall, like your thinking!

DEATHnTAXES

And folks making $16 doing jobs that used to pay $28 an hour. Fewer homes. Fewer industry. So tax the working slobs more when they make less. Is that micro or macro economics?

DEATHnTAXES

double up

sugar

What condescending garbage knowitall Apparently you want to give your hard earned money to a gov that is not honest, does not spend our tax dollars prudently, and gives itself and it's employees raises while the rest of us are living at a 1989 wage. Did you know that? With today's prices our wages are adding up to what we earned in 1989.
I don't give a rats behind about cedar point, I don't think they should give these bozos any more money either.
Common sense tells me that somehow you profit from higher taxes or your just have no clue as to the rotten deal taxpayers have gotten over the years. Gov attracts the inept and Sandusky gov is no different.

Enough_Already

Spot on Sugar!

CommonsenseNow

Spot on!

Perkins Resident

And you wonder why you can't get any new manufacturing and Norwalk can?

Comrade Boose

Perkins Resident,
Did you watch the video? Norwalk income tax is 1.50% Sandusky will only be 1.25% so much for your Perkins Township logic do you think you are better then the citizens of Sandusky? News flash you are not.

Perkins Resident

And here I thought this article was about Sandusky. Your ignorance prevails as usual. Enjoy waving bye bye to the businesses as they leave your city. Your own city employees don't even live in your city. News flash Sandusky will never be what it was and Perkins Township will continue to benefit from its mismanagement.

Comrade Boose

Perkins Residence,
Soooo... I'm the ignorant one for calling you out on your post ?
Here is a quote from you " And you wonder why you can't get any new manufacturing and Norwalk can?"
So basically what you are saying if Sandusky was at 1.50% instead of 1.00% income tax Sandusky would have gotten those manufacturing jobs.

Are you serious???

Quit being so angry if you don't like Sandusky stay in your small little township, but at the end of day your little township still only exist because of Sandusky.

Perkins Resident

So simple minded you are. It's a lot bigger than just the income tax. No worries though, you keep electing such great leaders. Say hi to all the renters in your neighborhood for me.

Comrade Boose

Perkins Resident,
So because someone corrects you they are simple minded?

You claimed because Sandusky was raising their tax to 1.25% they would lose manufacturing jobs to Norwalk which has a 1.50% income tax so are you saying Sandusky should increase the rate to 1.50% if we want to attract businesses?

Some how your math doesn't add up.

You live in Perkins (of course to U.S. Postal services recognizes you as Sandusky) why concern yourself with Sandusky?

Perkins Resident

How many renters live on your street? Numerous city employees don't even live in the city. What's that tell you? Look at the big picture and don't focus on the silly little income tax. There are numerous reasons why businesses are leaving and nothing new is coming in. Simple minded? Yes you are.

Comrade Boose

Ahh.. Keep avoiding the issue that you were wrong

sugar

Norwalk doesn't take in millions from an amusement park, forget that one?

Comrade Boose

No one is taking anything you simpleton they are an industry and they produce tourism, which they make money off of which the city taxes them for.

Thank you for playing once again your argument is weak you lose.

sugar

So weak and simple it has you chasing me around this page.

Thomas Paine

I believe simple minded is believing Perkins Township is some kind of utopia and somehow independent of the issues of the city. Maybe the imaginary shield covering Perkins Ave keeps you out of the city but its not going to keep Sandusky's problems from walking across the street. If you haven't paid attention the township is talking about its own tax measures for its services. I am a longtime Perkins resident myself and have never understood the incredibly ridiculous attitude of people in the township which isn't much different than the incredibly ridiculous negativity of those inside city limits ...As Chief Orzech put it recently every community seems to have CAVEmen and women...Citizens Against Virtually Everything. I am glad to see some in the community applauding what appears to be a unified effort by city leaders. Do I have reservations? Absolutely. I want to see them act on the plan now. Progress doesn't happen overnight. At some point we all need to take a step back a take deep breath and give new leadership a chance. Kudos to the city manager, the commissioners, and community organizations and volunteers for a great start to drowning out the negativity of a select few. And as a Perkins resident I know what is good for Sandusky is also good for the township.

sugar

Butt out YOU can't pass a school levy, until YOU are required to pay the taxes I am required to STFU.

Comrade Boose

Sugar,
Here is what you wrote" I don't need your approval to voice my displeasure. I will continue to a scream my displeasure at the top of my lungs. Don't like it? Tough sh**."

How can you tell someone else to not express their opinion?

Shame, shame , shame on you my angry little friend

sugar

Because I felt like it.

sugar

Who's angry?

Gardenman

I don't think it will be that hard to sell the tax increase to residents of Sandusky. A huge percent are not working, retired, unemployed etc. so they will never pay the income tax increase. A huge majority who will pay live outside the city so they will have no vote.

The Cedar Point admissions tax increase will be paid by folks who again do not live in Sandusky but outside the city, area, state etc.

What all this comes down to is a larger portion of the cost of running the City of Sandusky is coming from a population of people who do not live in the city. That is only going to get higher in dollars as the city continues to lose residents.

If I ran a business in Sandusky I would look closer at moving that business out of the city of Sandusky and into Perkins Twp, Margaretta, Huron Twps, etc and basically tell my employees I have just given them an indirect raise in their wages.

That just happen a few years ago when Westinghouse Corporation moved out of Pittsburgh / Allegeny County and built a huge new complex just across the county line in Beaver County. Pittsburgh and Allegeny County lost millions of dollars in income tax revenue. Westinghouse employees anxiously applauded the action for the larger paychecks all received with the move.

Enough_Already

Exactly, Gardenman. They punish the productive citizens while rewarding the bottom of the barrel. As Margarete Thatcher said, "The problem with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other peoples money."

Perkins Resident

Trust me when I say this. It is happening now and will continue to happen. These "leaders" in Sandusky have no idea what they are causing. Just wait until they see what businesses are moving.

Enough_Already

Just like when Canada taxed the their NHL teams out of Canada. They moved to Texas, Minnesota, etc.
You can't expect productive people (companies) to pick up the slack. As someone said above, it all about compromise. Being forced to pay for slackers is not a "compromise".

Comrade Boose

Is Firelands Hospital moving? Magic Eight Ball says "Highly Unlikely"
Is Cedar Point moving? Magic Eight Ball says " #ell No"
Will rebuilding Sandusky draw in business because of nice parks, solid infrastructure, solid fire and police force, lower property taxes "Magic Eight Ball says "Most Definitely"

https://www.facebook.com/Rebuild...

sugar

Oh yes because that's what business is looking for , F'ing parks. We have plenty of police, frankly all they do anymore is hand out tickets so the city can collect more money. It's well known that police do not show up in time to prevent crime, they show up afterwards to prepare reports. EMS spends 90% Of it's time answering calls from the elderly who have hit their emergency buttons because they can't stand up or are lonely and afraid. So cut the bull, I will vote no.

sugar

Oh and Firelands will be lucky to survive obamacare.

knowitall

Thank you for your wonderful insight. If you don't want to pay the tax, find a job wherever you live.

sugar

Your welcome, too bad you can't see beyond your nose

knowitall

Sugar....your comments are pretty lame. Maybe you should go see the Wizard and get a brain.

Perkins Resident

How many city employees live outside the city limits? You would be surprised.

Ralph J.

This new money will be set aside for outside lawyers. Does anybody know how much the city paid for lawyers through the years?

Enough_Already

Why would the City need lawyers if they where on the straight and narrow? Why is their liability so high to expect a lawsuit?

Thomas Paine

The comments on here are unreal. The micromanagers are out in full force tonight. Hope Emmett can save us all. PS someone needs to change their name to salty.

WhatTheHeck

yes SALTY

Comrade Boose

Alright still not to late to follow us on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/Rebuild...

booster

Honest Question:
Is there anything else in Sandusky that is subject to the Admissions Tax other than Cedar Point?

Little Giant

I believe the Tea House also pays the admission tax.

Mr. 25 Cents

State Theater.

DEATHnTAXES

Will Rebuild Sandusky consider hitting the streets again to increase the admissions tax at a lower rate if the ballot issue fails? Say 1.5% adding $1.2 from tourists?

Also, what happens to the 1% income tax currently being spent on the very services mentioned in the ordinance? Is the income tax increase dollar amount in addition to the amount already being spent from the taxes we already pay?

Julie R.

Wow ...... talk about blackmail. I can't believe some of you people are actually applauding it. On the other hand, some of you people also applauded that slap on the wrist that the Sandusky slumlord Joe Yost got so I guess it doesn't really surprise me.

The Bizness

This is a good idea.

sugar

I'll bet the Rebuild Sandusky crew, are all retirees or civil servants, who don't pay the tax or benefit from it. 351 whole likes on your FB page.

The Bizness

Civil servants pay taxes just like you and I

Truth or Dare

Not a "civil servant" or a retiree! As for those who are retirees, no matter their line of work, I do believe they earned it! On a personal level, that retirement thing, because of my age, will be happening much later for me if at all!

sugar

Civil servants also get a cushy retirement and raises. Have you ever wondered how the rest of us manage to provide for our retirements? We can't, because everytime we get ahead some level of our beneficent gov is looking for more money.

The Bizness

Sounds like you need a better financial advisor...

sugar

Just the smart azz attitude I would expect from someone who lives off the taxpayer. See it everytime I encounter the civil servants.

The Bizness

I don't? I work two jobs

sugar

If you think it can't all be taken away buddy look north to Detroit. Waaahhhhhh!

sugar

Yep civil servants have the time and energy for 2 jobs, because they do so little in their day job. Lol

The Bizness

You keep going on your rampage there buddy. I probably work harder in my two non public sector jobs while you whine and complaing about .25% increase.

by the way do you ever look to see how much low level civil servants make? I sure wouldn't like those jobs.

sugar

Considering you haven't a clue who I am your rant is funny. No I do not want to pay a dime more. Have you not read my previous posts? Or do you just see that I am against the increase and that's enough. Some of us pay city taxes elsewhere, some of us have not had raises or have taken cuts. The cost of living is high under the corrupt Dem regime and you want me to say . yay! Let's give more to the city. Plow the parks under , turn off the fountain, skip the Chrustmas decor. I have nothing to give. Should I take it from my children's mouths for civil servants to live well?

Comrade Boose

Last time I looked Sandusky was still in AMERICA and we all have the choice where to live and work. Don't be mad at civil servants because you choose your line of work. Let us all know what you do so we can determine if you work hard or not.

If your so angry just move simple as that.

sugar

Is that how you get along in life? Demanding everyone agree with you? Attempting to intimidate people? Telling them to move, sell their home or get another job?
I'm not sure where the heck you got your hubris from but it won't work with me you weirdo, I'm staying right hete and I am NOT going to stop voicing my opinion, yep this is America , and I am free to criticize a government action I do not support and will fight to see it fail.

DEATHnTAXES

There goes Smith talking only about downtown again. I zoomed in on his mug shot while he spoke. Is that a move city hall sign on his forhead?

T. A. Schwanger

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Rebuild Sandusky is to be commended for their efforts.

I attended the first meeting of Rebuild Sandusky and was concerned the group was asking for too high of an increase at 3% additional.

It will be interesting how voters react at the polls.

As Mr. Timmerburg mentions in the video---past and present City Commissions have made "mistakes" with taxpayer funds. Unfortunately, we continue to pay for those mistakes.

While the Sandusky Transit System is a vital part of City services for some, everyone should be concerned about using local tax dollars when the service was advertised as "a no cost to taxpayers" service. Under the proposed tax increase, several hundred thousand dollars will be earmarked for the program. What happened to private advertising on the busses, asking the county and communities using the services for financial assistance?

As has been posted here previously, Sandusky has the luxury of an additional $2.7 million annually from the Amusement Admissions Tax. Coupled with the $6.3 million in other revenue, we should be one of the richest communities along the western end of Lake Erie.

Spending and debt is the issue.

The Bizness

I agree with you on this one.

As long as the city has a plan, I think this is a good move.

sugar

So we have a meeting of commissioners and they discuss raising the tax? No discussion on debt and spending reduction? If that's he issue why is it not being addressed?
Because it's easier to screw over taxpayers. I wonder why there isn't more outrage?
You knew this was coming.... I'll tell you. A good portion of the people who live in Sandusky pay NO taxes, heck they don't even pay rent, the next big group is retirees, in fact Erie County has one of the largest retiree populations in Ohio. The rest don't know because they work at Firelands but do not live here, hope they wake up soon before they have to pay more.
You commissioners are useless, you don't care who has to pay to fix your mismanagement.

Comrade Boose

What part of 1/3 reduction in the work force did you not understand that Sugar would be a spending reduction.

knowitall

Comrade.....you make too much sense. Sugar won't understand.

sugar

Are you going to follow my every post around and harass me? Get lost stalker.

Comrade Boose

No one stalking just rebutting your silly little rants

sugar

And I will continue, so try to keep up. Glad I have you chasing me all over rebutting my rants, they must be making you angry.

JT Adams St

GM screwed up on its ignition switches. Does that mean that nobody should ever buy one of their cars again? That all of their employees salaries should be frozen in perpetuity? Can GM guarantee that it will never screw up again? No. In fact, it probably screws up all of the time. But a certain number of people have to die before it becomes national news.

If people don't trust the commission, they need to grab the job themselves. Terms limits have been hugely successful in allowing a wide variety of residents to serve as commissioners for a period of time. If someone has concrete ideas for mistake-proofing city government, they should run for commission and present those ideas to the public. But that won't happen. Because even anti-tax Republicans, like Jeff Smith, once they see how the city operates, realize that mistake-proofing isn't the answer, instead, the city simply needs more revenue.

The fact that somebody didn't do their job 10 years ago, 5 years ago, or even yesterday, isn't a legitimate basis for starving the city of funds to the point where it can't provide basic services. Yes, employees should be held accountable for disasters like the housing rehabilitation program. But cutting the city's budget to zero wouldn't create accountability. Instead, it would cause residents to flee as services deteriorated.

Babo

Agreed, but when will they hold Icsman accountable for his failure to properly monitor the housing rehabilitation program and failure to collect past due payments like Yost's water bill?

sugar

But you have a CHOICE as to wether you buy a GM product or not, you have no choice to pay taxes.

Truth or Dare

Thank you, thank you, thank you Mr. Wobser, City Commissioners, Kelly Kresser, Cedar Fair, SFD and all those involved w/Rebuild Sandusky, even those that may of not agreed with us but were willing to show support through educating us, and I mean that from the bottom of my perceived to be "unprofessional, rude, mean and far too emotional" heart!

My personal reasons for jumping off of this contentious and yes very political cliff? There are a little less then 24,000 of them, 2 of which I love with every fiber of my being, that would be my elderly parents who invested in our home in 1963 on Cement Ave. and continued to reinvest, as well many other family members, old friends and neighbors, new west end neighbors as well those I don't even know. The reasons also includes every child within this city that cannot act/speak for themselves, nor have a vote, as well for the employees of the City of Sandusky, particularly our safety services, both Fire and Police. Whether or not they live within the city is of no significance to me. They too won't have a vote and would be effected by that .25 increase should it come to fruition, and as well I'm sure play tourist at some point in time in our little city and will pay a 1% admission tax increase!

For the naysayers who feel this was planned all along, or that we were forced into a deal, WRONG! I must ask, where were you when the round-tabling began and chose to follow through? Did you get up and walk away? All I know is the positive outweighs the negative that's for sure, and the petition signatures speak for themselves!

Silent_Majority

This thread is hilarious....with people like Sugar (Salty) & Enough_Already (Dim_Wit) making highly so called intelligent ( in their own mind) comments about people on welfare and renters. As if the City of Sandusky can somehow breach the federal governments programs and force those people to pay into their tax system is rich.Lol
Then there is my favorite " it's a known fact that police don't prevent crime" they only show up after the fact to write a report. What do you morons expect the police cars come equipt with crystal balls so they can see into the future...Lmao!!
For real you two need to go on a comedy tour to make some extra money to pay your taxes. Instead of the Redneck Comedy Tour you people can call it "The Half-Wit Comedy Tour".
Wow, you two are just incorrigible....again thank you for the laughs. "Peace"

sugar

Another big mouth who pays no taxes. Or a cop.

The Big Dog's back

Once again the right wingnuts want something for nothing.

Silent_Majority

It amazes me when people complain about a very small tax increase that may attract more people and business to the area. This increase may even raise there property values in the long run if they are good on their word as far as improving infrastructure, school system, crime rate and emergency services. That is what attracts people to the area and business as well. To do nothing is to simply remain stagnant or fall further down towards the no hope of recovering level. At that point every property owner is screwed. These whiners on here need to vote yes and use their hate towards holding the administrations and commissioners feet to the fire on these improvements.

Julie R.

Taxing the already taxed-to-death people again is going to attract more people and business to the area? What a joke. On the other hand, it will go a long way in making up for that slap on the wrist that your prosecutor Baxter's slumlord friend Joe Yost got, thanks to your joke city working in collusion with your joke county.

DEATHnTAXES

The Silent Majority is out of touch. I know one doctor that relocated outside of town years ago because of the income tax in Sandusky. "I just gave my employees a raise (no income tax) by just moving my offices from Sandusky", he said.

Any economic development expert will tell you keeping taxes LOW draws jobs.

Comrade Boose

So he gave them 10 cent an hour raise on a $10/hr. doesn't sound like much. Just like 2.5 cents an hour on $10/hr isn't much.

Mr. 25 Cents

Not to mention that any employees who live in Sandusky are still paying the income tax.

knowitall

The cheap doctor didn't give them a raise! It did not cost the doctor a penny. He/she did it for reasons that improved his/her bottom line. Don't give him/her any credit. The doctor is probably young and lives in a multi million dollar house at that young age. Want to reduce health care costs? Here is an area. I do not know any doctor who is middle class.

Babo

Do you want someone operating on you who is "middle class"? Doctors for the most part deserve their compensation. Much of our health care costs are due to lawyers like the Murrays (who make a lot more money than Doctors despite far less rigorous education and responsibilities) forcing Doctors to practice defensive medicine.

knowitall

Its about competence not whether they are middle class. So, the only way a doctor can be good is if they are filthy rich? I agree lawsuits are a problem. How much I do not know and I wonder how you know they are a big part of the cost. Have you ever tried to get a procedure and one hospital charges a lot more than another hospital? I know someone who has. They spent fhousands of their dollars more for a CT scan and later found it was cheaper at another hospital. They had a very large deductible so insurance did not enter into it.

sugar

You have a choice where to spend your healthcare dollar and if more people bothered to shop around costs would be better but when you have union benes why bother, someone else is footing the bill and when it's not enough just raise taxes!

sugar

LMAO !!! Get em Babo! How true, doctors and the railroad.

Babo

Thanks. You can bet most high paid professionals such as Murray have most of their income sheltered form income taxes as K-1 distributions from their partnership instead of wages that are subject to income tax. Sandusky's tax code needs to be re-evaluated to make sure it is taxing all proceeds from partnerships and LLC's as income.

sugar

I can bet my last dollar the supporters of this tax increase directly or indirectly benefit from it, or do not have to pay it.
The attempts at intimidation are shocking! I've been told to move, to get a different job to sell my home I've been called simpleton,weak.
Someone really wNts to see this pass. Are they really concerned about cutting trees? Doubtful. No one gets this crazy unless it's to line their own pockets.

sugar

Yore not the silent majority, most likely you're some retired auto worker or civil servant who won't be affected by the tax. I am the no longer silent majority and it just kills you now doesn't it?

Comrade Boose

Wrong again civil servants pay taxes!!

sugar

Retired civil servants do not .

Babo

Does Cedar fair pay income taxes to the City of Sandusky on its gross profit? If it does not, why not?

http://www.cedarfair.com/ir/fina...

JACKEL

Agree, if our taxes need to be raised, so be it. Then the freebees should also pay the penalty. Food stamps cut, utility allowance cut etc. We have to cut somewhere, right ?

DEATHnTAXES

What is sad is this started out as a """we taxpayers pay enough. It's time for the tourists to pony up""", to a right back to a few years ago when CP agreed to increase the admission tax ONLY if the citizens approve a, you guessed it, income tax increase.

Is there anyone out there interested in starting an anti ballot issue group?

sugar

Know why? Because it was never about who pays too much, it was about someone has to pay! We don't care who but someone is going to keep those union wages going up!

Ralph J.

"You pay for the services you use because you live here." Visitors get the services for free. They go to Cedar Point, spend a lot of money and then go to Perkins to spend more money. Welfare cannot be taxed even though welfare has a lot of value.

Comrade Boose

Ralph J,
Thanks for helping make the point in a round about way.
Visitors get the services currently at a rate of 3% the cost of a ticket
Rebuild Sandusky is asking for 1% more from the visitor and .25% from the resident for services.
Plus let's not forget the $500,000.00 added as a bonus

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Sandumpy Proud

I love it here!

Sandumpy Proud

Long live Gunner! Long live city commission!

sugar

VOTE NO!

Comrade Boose

Or vote YES!

Sandumpy Proud

Why only .25%? Let's go for a full 10%! Let's get more services! I want bigger government!

sugar

Bigger goverent, wealthier civil servants! I'll just sell my house, live in a cardboard box and give 75% of my money to Government, we're on our way there anyway.

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