Snowden hiding

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry asks Russia to 'do the right thing' and turn over NSA leaker
Associated Press
Jun 25, 2013

Russia's foreign minister bluntly rejected U.S. demands to extradite National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, saying Tuesday that Snowden hasn't crossed the Russian border.

Sergey Lavrov insisted that Russia has nothing to do with Snowden or his travel plans. Lavrov wouldn't say where Snowden is, but he lashed out angrily at Washington for demanding his extradition and warning of negative consequences if Moscow fails to comply. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Monday urged Moscow to "do the right thing" and turn over Snowden.

"We consider the attempts to accuse Russia of violation of U.S. laws and even some sort of conspiracy, which on top of all that are accompanied by threats, as absolutely ungrounded and unacceptable," Lavrov said. "There are no legal grounds for such conduct of U.S. officials."

The defiant tone underlined the Kremlin's readiness to challenge Washington at a time when U.S.-Russian relations are strained over Syria and a Russian ban on adoptions by Americans.

U.S. and Ecuadorean officials said they believed Snowden was still in Russia. He fled there Sunday from Hong Kong, where he had been hiding out since his disclosure of the broad scope of two highly classified U.S. counterterror surveillance programs. The programs collect vast amounts of Americans' phone records and worldwide online data in the name of national security.

Lavrov claimed that the Russian government found out about Snowden's flight from Hong Kong only from news reports.

"We have no relation to Mr. Snowden, his relations with American justice or his travels around the world," Lavrov said. "He chooses his route himself, and we have learned about it from the media."

Snowden booked a seat on a Havana-bound flight from Moscow on Monday en route to Venezuela and then possible asylum in Ecuador, but he didn't board the plane. Russian news media have reported that he has remained in a transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, but journalists there haven't seen him.

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A representative of WikiLeaks has been traveling with Snowden, and the organization is believed to be assisting him in arranging asylum. The organization's founder, Julian Assange, said Monday that Snowden was only passing through Russia and had applied for asylum in Ecuador, Iceland and possibly other countries.

A high-ranking Ecuadorean official told The Associated Press that Russia and Ecuador were discussing where Snowden could go, saying the process could take days. He also said Ecuador's ambassador to Moscow had not seen or spoken to Snowden. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, hailed Snowden on Monday as "a man attempting to bring light and transparency to facts that affect everyone's fundamental liberties."

He described the decision on whether to grant Snowden asylum as a choice between "betraying the citizens of the world or betraying certain powerful elites in a specific country."

State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell said the U.S. had made demands to "a series of governments," including Ecuador, that Snowden be barred from any international travel other than to be returned to the U.S. The U.S. has revoked Snowden's passport.

"We're following all the appropriate legal channels and working with various other countries to make sure that the rule of law is observed," President Barack Obama told reporters.

Some experts said it was likely that Russian spy agencies were questioning Snowden on what he knows about U.S. electronic espionage against Moscow.

"If Russian special services hadn't shown interest in Snowden, they would have been utterly unprofessional," Igor Korotchenko, a former colonel in Russia's top military command turned security analyst, said on state Rossiya 24 television.

The Kremlin has previously said Russia would be ready to consider Snowden's request for asylum.

Snowden is a former CIA employee who later was hired as a contractor for the NSA. In that job, he gained access to documents that he gave to newspapers The Guardian and The Washington Post to expose what he contends are privacy violations by an authoritarian government.

Snowden also told the South China Morning Post newspaper in Hong Kong that "the NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cellphone companies to steal all of your SMS data." He is believed to have more than 200 additional sensitive documents in laptops he is carrying.

Some observers said in addition to the sensitive data, Snowden's revelations have provided the Kremlin with propaganda arguments to counter the U.S. criticism of Russia's crackdown on opposition and civil activists under President Vladimir Putin.

"They would use Snowden to demonstrate that the U.S. government doesn't sympathize with the ideals of freedom of information, conceals key information from the public and stands ready to open criminal proceedings against those who oppose it," Konstantin Remchukov, the editor of independent daily Nezavisimaya Gazeta, said on Ekho Moskvy radio.

Putin has accused the U.S. State Department of instigating protests in Moscow against his re-election for a third term and has taken an anti-American posture that plays well with his core support base of industrial workers and state employees.




Mr. Snowden is merely a DISTRACTION from the REAL issue AND debate.

The REAL issue is the extent of the federal, state and local governments' spying on it's own citizens.

"This Is Not About Edward Snowden":

"-- The legal interpretation of Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which is used by that court to rule on government requests for information, is classified. So the laws that enable this surveillance are themselves, in effect, secret."

Does this read like the work of a "government of the people, by the people, for the people,"?


Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if a person released secrets of the Russian government and then fled to the Unites States. Would we cooperate and send him back to Russia for prosecution?

Yeah, right.


Find him and use a drone on him! Case closed!

Tool Box

I do like that use for a drone!


Me too, lets start right here!



What does : 38.892401,-77.027089 mean?


Latitude and's the IRS building in dc.


Re: "What does : 38.892401,-77.027089 mean?"

So Kool-Aid swilling Obamabots are Google, Bing or Yahoo illiterate?

The Big Dog's back

Wow! No wonder right wingnut groups are on the terrorist watch list. Need to go no further than here to find potential terrorists.


No red flags here, the postmen/women/aliens must have been in on it!

(Meanwhile, in 2011, the IRS accidentally sent more than $46 million in refunds to 23,994 “unauthorized” alien workers. And they sent it all to one Atlanta address.)


BTW, in 2011 the IRS misplaced 2 of my quarterly deposits. I showed them the canceled checks with their name on it, yet they harassed me for an entire year blaming my hand writing on the check where I wrote in the SS number. Hmmmm! They seemed to deposit the correct amount though, to an unknown account? Then they somehow lost the typed receipt that was included with the payment. Next they tried to collect more from me with their threatening letters. I lost all respect for the IRS in 2012 when this all surfaced. Could it have been because I donated to a Republican candidate? It sure is looking more like it every day, I had to pay my accountant and give him power of attorney to get it straightened out, is it now? Who knows, the letters can start at any time. Just like a terrorist bomber or a US drone, they can hit you at any time and you have done nothing wrong!!!!


Re: "The IRS misplaced 2 of my quarterly deposits."

My sympathies.

Unfortunately, the govt can harass you longer than you can remain solvent.

Most workers in the U.S. are employed by sm. business. And the economically ignorant wonder why there is a lack of jobs.


LMFAO : ) cute!


My question is did he reveal secrets that are vital to national security or did he expose our government of violating our Constitution Rights of privacy? If he revealed specific secrets then get him back here and give him his day in court. If he exposed our government over reaching what is allowed by law, then give him "whistle blower" protection. It amazes me that deertracker would say drone him, since he has been against the Patriot Act since Bush made it law.


Deertracker has never made a comment about the patriot Act. Fact is, all governments do exactly what they want to do. Exposing this or that is not going to change how the government operates and those that think differently are just naïve. The guy is a traitor. He sought out that job for the sole purpose of exposing how the U.S. government operates and deals with other countries. If this guy were a Muslim, you all would be going crazy.

The Big Dog's back

Exactly deertracker. But since he's lily white the right wingers give him a pass.


Lily white? Really? Sounds like someone here has some insecurities they're dealing with. Lay on my couch and tell me your whoas brother. Don't burden yourself with the anchor of insecurity and insufficiency.


For almost 200 yrs, and prior to 1978, the POTUS had sole responsibility and accountability for gathering intelligence.

All this change with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

"The bill was introduced on May 18, 1977, by Senator Ted Kennedy and was signed into law by President Carter in 1978."

Now NO ONE branch of govt. is responsible and NO ONE branch is accountable.

"Transparency" is a LIE.


Nothin' quite like Pres. Obama killin' 16 yr. olds with his drones.

"Al-Awlaki's 16-year-old son Abdulrahman was also killed by a U.S. drone, the letter admits.

His death, less than a month after his father was killed, was also widely known and was seen by some critics of the administration as an Old Testament-style smiting.

Holder said the teenager was not targeted, but did not provide more details."

Yep! Pres. Obama is helping to make “friends” all over the world.

Good to read that some of you can see fit to defend tyrants as well as the murder of those like Mr. Snowden without a trial.

The once popular phrase: "My Country Right or Wrong" appears to be making a comeback.

The Big Dog's back

Ahhhhh yes winnie, defender of terrorists.


Numerous countries are busy developing drones. Don't be SHOCKED when a foreign one shows up over the U.S. someday in the future.

Hell, a Russian sub spent two months in the Gulf of Mexico last yr. and our Intel didn't know about it until after it left!

This Administration looks like the "Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" and the Obamabots trust and wanna give these yahoos more power? :)


You may like to look at this!


Read the Quran (in English) yrs. ago - mishegas. Copy on shelf.

Mohammed "channeled" the Quran from the Angel Gabriel.

Two places removed from Allah.

Better hope that Gabriel passed the "message" along correctly. :)


Aren't you the same guy, who wrote some months back, that Islam is basically the same as Christianity, according to your Muslim friends in Cleveland ?


I have Syrian friends that are Christian. They wonder why our administration backs the terrorists in Syria, they had no problem with their president or his father, these two men have taken women out of cover and have been promoting education and progress for thirty years. The other hard liners want to push the country back 200 years, cover all women and make Islam the primary. I get first hand information from the people on the streets in Syria!


Didn't you say that Islam is basically the same as Christianity?
I sense a little dodging.


NEVER! I said I use a Muslim barber and ironically he said he would rather have a Jew or Christian do his books. There is an inner mistrust within many Muslims. I never knew why women were covered but was told that it started because they did not trust each other with their wives, so they hide them!


OK, well I agree with your youtube link.


"Hell, a Russian sub spent two months in the Gulf of Mexico last yr. and our Intel didn't know about it until after it left! "

Where does it say : "...our Intel didn't know about it until after it left! "?


Could have been a quote from "Hunt for red October" : )