Churches changing

Places of worship modify bylaws after gay marriage ruling
Associated Press
Aug 25, 2013

Worried they could be sued by gay couples, some churches are changing their bylaws to reflect their view that the Bible allows only marriage between one man and one woman.

Although there have been lawsuits against wedding industry businesses that refuse to serve gay couples, attorneys promoting the bylaw changes say they don't know of any lawsuits against churches.

Critics say the changes are unnecessary, but some churches fear that it's only a matter of time before one of them is sued.

"I thought marriage was always between one man and one woman, but the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision said no," said Gregory S. Erwin, an attorney for the Louisiana Baptist Convention, an association of Southern Baptist churches and one several groups advising churches to change their bylaws. "I think it's better to be prepared because the law is changing. America is changing."

In a June decision, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a provision of the federal Defense of Marriage Act that defined marriage as between a man and a woman for purposes of federal law. A second decision was more technical but essentially ushered in legal gay marriage in California.

Kevin Snider is an attorney with the Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal defense group that specializes in conservative Christian issues. His organization released a model marriage policy a few years ago in response to a statewide gay marriage fight in California. Snider said some religious leaders have been threatened with lawsuits for declining to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies.

Dean Inserra, head pastor of the 1,000-member City Church Tallahassee, based in Florida, said he does not want to be alarmist, but his church is looking into how best to address the issue.

Inserra said he already has had to say no to gay friends who wanted him to perform a wedding ceremony.

"We have some gay couples that attend our church. What happens when they ask us to do their wedding?" Inserra said. "What happens when we say no? Is it going to be treated like a civil rights thing?"

Critics, including some gay Christian leaders, argue that the changes amount to a solution looking for a problem.

"They seem to be under the impression that there is this huge movement with the goal of forcing them to perform ceremonies that violate their freedom of religion," said Justin Lee, executive director of the Gay Christian Network, a nonprofit that provides support for gay Christians and their friends and families and encourages churches to be more welcoming.

"If anyone tried to force a church to perform a ceremony against their will, I would be the first person to stand up in that church's defense."

Thirteen states and the District of Columbia now recognize gay marriage.

Some Christian denominations, such as the United Church of Christ, accept gay marriage. The Episcopal Church recently approved a blessing for same-sex couples, but each bishop must decide whether to allow the ceremony in his or her local diocese.

The majority of Christian denominations, however, view homosexual relationships as sinful. In more hierarchical denominations, like the Roman Catholic Church or the United Methodist Church, individual churches are bound by the policies of the larger denomination. But nondenominational churches and those loosely affiliated with more established groups often individually decide how to address social issues such as gay marriage.

Eric Rassbach is an attorney with the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a public interest legal group that defends the free expression rights of all faiths. He said it is unlikely the government would try to force a pastor to perform a same-sex marriage, but churches that rent out their facilities to the general public could face problems if they refuse to rent to gay couples.

Although his organization has not advocated it, he said it could strengthen a church's legal position to adopt a statement explaining its beliefs about marriage.

"A number of groups don't have a written doctrine," Rassbach said. "Say a group like the Primitive Baptists — they don't want a written-down credo, but the courts like written-down things."

Rassbach said it was important for churches to get their beliefs in writing before a dispute arises, otherwise it can look to a court as if something was done after the fact as an attempt to cover up hostility to gays.

Airline Baptist Church Senior Pastor Chad Mills said members of the public use their facilities in Bossier City, La., for many activities, including Zumba classes. In the past, anyone who could pay the fee was allowed to reserve the space. But recently, the church changed its rental policy to allow wedding-related events only for male-female couples.

Some denominations are less concerned about the Supreme Court rulings. The Assemblies of God, the group of churches comprising the world's largest Pentecostal denomination, sought legal advice after the rulings. An attorney for the group distributed a memo to ministers saying there was no reason to change their bylaws.

However, the memo also said that "doing so is not inappropriate, and may be warranted based on future rulings by the Supreme Court and other state and federal courts."

The bylaw changes are coming at a time when many churches are wrestling with gay marriage in general and are working hard to be more welcoming to gays and lesbians.

"It's probably one of the most difficult issues our churches are facing right now," said Doug Anderson, a national coordinator with the evangelical Vineyard Church. "It's almost an impossible situation to reconcile what's going on in our culture, and our whole theology of welcoming and loving people, versus what it says in the Bible."

 

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nonconformist

People are still free to practice their religious beliefs. One simple answer here: separation of church and state. I can't imagine anyone having the Gaul to sue a church no matter wht side of the fence our on. Frivolous to say the least.

Eph 2 8-10

People are free to do as they will and I'm talking about the LGBT community. I don't hold it against them or hate them. However, God's Word is unchangeable and says marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe in God's Word. And I also am commanded not to judge anyone lest I be judged. But, please, don't try to force your lifestyle on me. Thank you.

thinkagain

The most quoted, taken out of context, verse in the Bible, is Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

Is it true that Christians are told not to judge? The answer is no.

1 Cor 6:3 "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?"

The primary stipulation given for Christians regarding judging is that we are not to proclaim our own judgments, (based on our opinions) but to pronounce the judgments of God (based on truth).

Most often, those who tell you "not to judge" do so while they scream, "You are a bigot, hatemonger, intolerant person” (which are judgments in themselves). However, God clearly commands us to judge so we won’t be deceived. We do have to judge what is sin and what isn't. There is a difference between judging an act, and judging a person.

If the church stops judging, we will no longer be able to distinguish good from evil, we will buy into the politically correct idea of moral relativism, and we will bow down to the devil’s wishes to deceive us.

Eph 5:11 “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”

44846GWP

You won't find the word "marrige" anywhere in the bible, or that its just between a man and a woman.

anthras

Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God with Adam and Eve. Genesis 2:24 states: "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."

In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus reaffirms this: "He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?"

anthras

You might read

Hebrews 13:4 ESV
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

I can also remember reading that Jesus and his diciples did attend a "Wedding" at Cana.

Eph 2 8-10

Thank you. Jesus also said, "Judge not lest you be judged....," Mt 7:1-2.

thinkagain

Try reading it in context.

The passage is actually a condemnation of hypocrisy, not judgment. Jesus’ counsel is to tend to our own behavior and attitudes before attempting to help anyone else. If we attempt to judge before doing so, our judgment will be flawed by our own “splinters.” But the passage is in no way forbidding judgment.

44846GWP

Oh, thinkagain....just go away...have a cup of shut the ---k up.

bnjjad

You would think as one of the biggest complainers about these stories she would not actually click on them.

concernedtruth

It's real simple do you stand for GOD or man, if you stand for GOD you are on the only right track and have eternal life, if you choose man, you have the smoking section of eternity and you will regret it. "But as for me and my house, I will serve the LORD"!! Those churches and pastors that choose to stand against the Word of God will fall and pay the price of hypocrisy.

bnjjad

Hmmm. Pretty sure I am on the right track and GOD hasn't helped yet.

happycamper01

I believe any religion has a right to define marriage based on their beliefs. I do not believe in any religions forcing their beliefs on others. Many Christians are bible thumpers and want to force their beliefs based on their religion on a whole country but the term God is defined differently in different religions. If I am Islamic, Native American, Hindu, or any other religion my views may differ greatly than yours. Christians can't force their beliefs on a whole country because if you do then you are no better than the Islamic extremists who kill for their religion. No, that can't and should not be done. Separation of church and state allows everyone to have or not have a Higher Power whom I choose to call God of their own choosing but that should also protect religions if they choose not to allow gay marriages within their denomination. The solution would be find an open and affirming church such as the one in Sandusky or be married by the justice of the peace.

bnjjad

But, But, But we don't kill people. We just want everyone to follow our ways no matter what!

In all honestly, I don't care what you believe in. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and that is why there was separation of Church and State. But truthfully, organized religion will never be able to work this way because the whole idea behind organized religion is to get everyone to believe the same things to help create that perfect view. It has destroyed bigger and better empires and will continue to destroy in the future, it is an empire that so far has not been toppled. Organized Religion is nothing but a RICO case at this point, ask some of the Catholic parishes how well that profit sharing agreement works out for them (it doesn't!)

anthras

1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren't like them.” [1]

February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. [2]

April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech. [3]

May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. [4]

April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. [5]

October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. [6]

November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is “E pluribus unum” rather than “In God We Trust” as established by federal law. [7]

January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court. [8]

February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. [9]

April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. [10]

August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. [11]

November 2011 – President Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [12]

November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. [13]

December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights. [14]

January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. [15]

February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. [16]

January 2013 – Pastor Louie Giglio is pressured to remove himself from praying at the inauguration after it is discovered he once preached a sermon supporting the Biblical definition of marriage. [17]

February 2013 – The Obama Administration announces that the rights of religious conscience for individuals will not be protected under the Affordable Care Act. [18]

June 2013 – The Obama Department of Justice defunds a Young Marines chapter in Louisiana because their oath mentioned God, and another youth program because it permits a voluntary student-led prayer. [19]

2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:

January 2010 – Because of "concerns" raised by the Department of Defense, tiny Bible verse references that had appeared for decades on scopes and gunsights were removed. [20]

June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery. [21]

August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except now, America). [22]

September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains. [23]

September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.” [24]

November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity. [25]

November 2011 – Even while restricting and disapprobating Christian religious expressions, the Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans at the Air Force Academy. [26]

February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. (“Jerry”) Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian. [27]

February 2012 – The Air Force removes “God” from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei). [28]

February 2012 – The Army ordered Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read. [29]

April 2012 – A checklist for Air Force Inns will no longer include ensuring that a Bible is available in rooms for those who want to use them. [30]

May 2012 – The Obama administration opposed legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages in violation of their strongly-held religious beliefs. [31]

June 2012 – Bibles for the American military have been printed in every conflict since the American Revolution, but the Obama Administration revokes the long-standing U. S. policy of allowing military service emblems to be placed on those military Bibles. [32]

January 2013 – President Obama announced his opposition to a provision in the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act protecting the rights of conscience for military chaplains. [33]

April 2013 – Officials briefing U.S. Army soldiers placed "Evangelical Christianity" and "Catholicism" in a list that also included Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas as examples of "religious extremism." [34]

April 2013 – The U.S. Army directs troops to scratch off and paint over tiny Scripture verse references that for decades had been forged into weapon scopes. [35]

April 2013 - The Air Force creates a "religious tolerance" policy but consults only a militant atheist group to do so -- a group whose leader has described military personnel who are religious as 'spiritual rapists' and 'human monsters' [36] and who also says that soldiers who proselytize are guilty of treason and sedition and should be punished to hold back a "tidal wave of fundamentalists." [37]

May 2013 - The Pentagon announces that "Air Force members are free to express their personal religious beliefs as long as it does not make others uncomfortable. "Proselytizing (inducing someone to convert to one's faith) goes over that line," [38] affirming if a sharing of faith makes someone feel uncomfortable that it could be a court-marital offense [39] -- the military equivalent of a civil felony.

May 2013 - An Air Force officer was actually made to remove a personal Bible from his own desk because it "might" appear that he was condoning the particular religion to which he belonged. [40]

June 2013 - The U. S. Air Force, in consultation with the Pentagon, removed an inspirational painting that for years has been hanging at Mountain Home Air Force Base because its title was "Blessed Are The Peacemakers" -- a phrase from Matthew 5:9 in the Bible. [41]

June 2013 – The Obama administration “strongly objects” to a Defense Authorization amendment to protect the constitutionally-guaranteed religious rights of soldiers and chaplains, claiming that it would have an “adverse effect on good order, discipline, morale, and mission accomplishment.” [42]

July 2013 - When an Air Force sergeant with years of military service questioned a same-sex marriage ceremony performed at the Air Force Academy's chapel, he received a letter of reprimand telling him that if he disagreed, he needed to get out of the military. His current six-year reenlistment was then reduced to only one-year, with the notification that he "be prepared to retire at the end of this year." [43]

July 2013 - An Air Force chaplain who posted a website article on the importance of faith and the origin of the phrase "There are no atheists in foxholes" was officially ordered to remove his post because some were offended by the use of that famous World War II phrase. [44]

3. Acts of hostility toward Biblical values:

January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. [45]

January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional. [46]

March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. [47]

March 2009 – Obama orders taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research. [48]

March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations. [49]

May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions. [50] He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets. [51]

May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities. [52]

July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [53]

September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.” [54]

July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion. [55]

August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs. [56]

September 2010 – The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. [57]

February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [58]

March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls. [59]

July 2011 – Obama allows homosexuals to serve openly in the military, reversing a policy originally instituted by George Washington in March 1778. [60]

September 2011 – The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [61]

October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion. [62]

July 2012 - The Pentagon, for the first time, allows service members to wear their uniforms while marching in a parade - specifically, a gay pride parade in San Diego. [63]

December 2012 – Despite having campaigned to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, President Obama once again suspends the provisions of the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 which requires the United States to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and to move the American Embassy there. [64]

April 2013 – The United States Agency for Internal Development (USAID), an official foreign policy agency of the U.S. government, begins a program to train homosexual activists in various countries around the world to overturn traditional marriage and anti-sodomy laws, targeting first those countries with strong Catholic influences, including Ecuador, Honduras, and Guatemala. [65]

June 2013 – The Obama Administration finalizes requirements that under the Obamacare insurance program, employers must make available abortion-causing drugs, regardless of the religious conscience objections of many employers and even despite the directive of several federal courts to protect the religious conscience of employers. [66]

August 2013 - Non-profit charitable hospitals, especially faith-based ones, will face large fines or lose their tax-exempt status if they don't comply with new strangling paperwork requirements related to giving free treatment to poor clients who do not have Obamacare insurance coverage. [67] Ironically, the first hospital in America was founded as a charitable institution in 1751 by Benjamin Franklin, and its logo was the Good Samaritan, with Luke 10:35 inscribed below him: "Take care of him, and I will repay thee," being designed specifically to offer free medical care to the poor. [68] Benjamin Franklin's hospital would likely be fined unless he placed more resources and funds into paperwork rather than helping the poor under the new faith-hostile policy of the Obama administration.

August 2013 - USAID, a federal government agency, shut down a conference in South Korea the night before it was scheduled to take place because some of the presentations were not pro-abortion but instead presented information on abortion complications, including the problems of "preterm births, mental health issues, and maternal mortality" among women giving birth who had previous abortions. [69]

4. Acts of preferentialism for Islam:

May 2009 – While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan. [70]

April 2010 – Christian leader Franklin Graham is disinvited from the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from the Muslim community. [71]

April 2010 – The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc. [72]

August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. [73]

August 2010 – Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location. [74]

2010 – While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes major Muslim holidays, as evidenced by its 2010 statements on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha. [75]

October 2011 – Obama’s Muslim advisers block Middle Eastern Christians’ access to the White House. [76]

February 2012 – The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, [77] but when Bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do. [78]

Many of these actions are literally unprecedented – this is the first time they have happened in four centuries of American history. The hostility of President Obama toward Biblical faith and values is without equal from any previous American president.

Pterocarya frax...

If you were to acknowledge (credit) the site you copied and pasted that crap from, it probably would not be considered stealing. However, with no acknowledgement given, that is exactly what you have done. Furthermore, there are many foot notes in there that you apparently don't consider important enough to include. I could disprove many (most) of these, but it really isn't worth the effort for this hogwash.

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The Hero Zone

While I am not the President's biggest fan, I thank you for using words where I could only facepalm. Any kind of lucid response I can make to contribute here simply comes out as "I don't even what is" when framing my thoughts to display with some other comments.

Pterocarya frax...

If the truth makes you facepalm, I can only imagine what you did when you read comments like these from the story on the veteran getting beat to death:

The General: "Lynch the c**k*ucker"

Mr. D: "Hey, come on! They are just kids! Just out gettin some skittles and tea! I mean. . . Gosh, they are really nice if you know them!"

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The Hero Zone

I have steered clear of that thread for the storm it has become. Sometimes avoiding the Mos Eisley cantina is the best option. But wanted to thank you for a logical reply here in this one.

The Big Dog's back

'bout time we had a President who has the courage to say what most of us think.

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Anonomous

The solution for churches and businesses is quite simple. If you are a photographer and a gay couple comes to you for photography services, the estimate should be $1,000,000.00 for each 30 minutes the photographer is used. Then if they still want to use them for services they can by just paying for the service. Churches, same solution, if a gay couple comes to a church and want to use it for a wedding. Then the charge is $1,000,000.00 per 30 minutes the church is used, if the couple wants the church for their wedding, then they just pay the bill for services of renting the church for their building. This is a free enterprise business environment. A business is free to charge what ever they want for their services. As customers we either pay the amount billed or find someplace else to have their wedding. So what is the problem??

bnjjad

That would be illegal.

red white and blue

Why does it not surprise me 44 is hear throwing insults at anyone that disagrees with his/hers views had to make sure I politically correct and make sure my spelling was up to 44 standards;) now that's out of the way most gays don't agree with churchs maybe they should start there own.after all they have there own day at c.p and there own parade might as well change gods word to suit them

SKULLNBONES

I am a devout Christian and I don't believe that God and Jesus wanted us to imagine such restrictive governmental rules for other people. This is also a basic conservative principle: keep government out of our personal affairs.

bnjjad

If only everyone believed that last sentence. They complain about Government all up in their business and then they want more laws to keep it going when it goes against something they believe. Again it comes down to: can't have it both ways.

ole45mag

I'm a little (a lot) ignorant of the type of sex that the homosexual man has. I'm pretty sure they insert the penis into the anus like the man and women insert the penis in the vagina. What I wonder is, will waste material from the mans anus end up inside the external urethral orifice of his lover? I feel that if not careful, this could cause an impacted penis. Do they already make or will they make a small douche type or enema type thing to clean out the inside of the external urethral orifice of the penis? Also, schools already explain how men and women have sexual relations, so now will they explain how the homosexual men make love? I really didn't have too hard of time explaining how babies were made in the explaining of the insertion of the penis into the woman's vagina, but I really wonder if that when I explain the sex that a man has with a man if the kid will ask me if they get, well, poo-poo on their penis?
Kind of tricky answers we have to give to the kids these days. But since this action is normal, then parents must teach it properly as should the schools. Will they show the process on the overhead projector like the penis in the vagina drawings showed? Just wondering, perhaps a bit too much. Kind of weird, but even bringing this up almost feels like pornography. Will teaching our kids this action constitute pornography to the children's services department. I guess not, since it is a normal lovemaking process.

Huron_1969

Wish I hadn't read your post.... mental image erase erase erase
Danger Will Robinson, danger!
Run Forrest Run

Most disturbing is the affect this could have down the road on sex-ed in the classroom

bnjjad

I, I, I, have no response. This is something I don't think I ever wanted to read. Good laugh after all though.

red white and blue

If that ever comes up in school my kids will be home school at some point gov.needs to stay out of our personal lives.seeing these kind of stories on here make me realize god is coming even sooner then I think.i'm glad my heart and soul is in the right place

ole45mag

They'll have to teach it someday. In order to teach the kids about social diseases and gender identity, sexual questions will be asked, like "how do they make babies?". We tried to keep it by sticking to the story that it's the stork delivering the babies, but the schools made us out to be liars eventually to the point the kids don't trust us with answers and ask others. So we need to be prepared, thus my question. And as for churches, I know our little church in Monroeville teaches it's ok to be gay and married through their governing body in Cleveland. I don't know how to teach wrong from right anymore. I've been looking at the medical site and they say it's a dangerous act unless you use a condom, which it why our little church's governing body promotes the passing out of condoms. I'm just confused about where they will draw the line between a hate crime or whatever if I teach my kids it's not right to do that to an anus.

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