Huron school board tables Fox vote

No reinstatement tonight.
Sandusky Register Staff
Mar 19, 2013

 

After nearly 90 minutes of anticipation, the Huron school board declined on Monday to make a decision whether to reinstate fired district superintendent Fred Fox. 

The board vote was 3-2 in favor of tabling the motion. 

Audience members spoke for about 55 minutes before the vote was taken, including Kalahari owner Todd Nelson.

Check back here for updates and for video of the meeting. 

Be sure to pick up Wednesday's Register for the full story on the meeting and to read more on what Fox's supporters and detractors had to say. Also in Thursday's Register: A story on the budget crisis just on the horizon for Huron Schools.

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Comments

UgtaBkdnMe

AMEN !

Still Sold

Spinner.. Where'd you get the parrots ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Speaking of parrots, did you notice how Craig Bulea was moving around and squatting? He looked like a bird.

UgtaBkdnMe

He did look like he was trying to hatch an egg.

Still Sold

He looked like he truly MEANT what he was saying oh body language distorters.

whazup

He looked and sounded inebriated.

blizzardo

This vote is not against Fox. It is a vote for morality, integrity, honesty and leading by example. Fox set a bad example for the students and his family like Clinton did for the youth of America.

Wald

And like the football coach, too, right?

whazup

Can't keep dwelling on what the coach did over 10 years ago. If he is guilty of what you say he did someone should have addressed it then. It doesn't give Fox a free pass.

Wald

If you are calling for Fox's job but said nothing when the coach's infidelities came to light, you are a hypocrite.

whazup

No doubt he should have been dealt with. I think the only current board member that was one the board back then is Caporini. Through the years I heard the story but not at the time it happened.

SilentMajority

You people don't seem to understand. Fox did nothing wrong. The affair was the fault of his "mentee" and Sowecke. Toolgate was the fault of the H-team and Green. Arizona and everything else was because of Slocum. The whistle blowers were just jealous. Let's face it, there are obviously a lot of people in the Huron School System who lack a moral compass. Everyone is wrong and lying except for Fox. Good thing he is there to guide the path

Signed......The Warren Commission

whazup

Am I sensing sarcasm? (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

TigerDad

This pretty well covers the bases regarding gift giving and acceptance of gifts for public officials and public employees:

http://ethics.ohio.gov/education...

Informed

I will say it again....Nelson was never charged or accused by the board. There were never any civil lawsuits or criminal charges against him. The focus has been on Fox. Therefore, the board does not owe Nelson anything.
Yes, the referee for the ODE made a ruling...a ruling that is not binding, mind you. But, as I've said before, I don't need any other evidence besides the email between Fox and Fremont principal to know I do not want someone like that as the leader of our school district. I expect more, and Huron deserves better.

UgtaBkdnMe

Hey Sold ! Ask your contact about check #074181 dated Aug-23-2006. Could it possibly be made out to Huron Cement Products Company for $7,840.21 ? Couldn’t be because the district NEVER buys from Huron Cement ! LMBO !

UgtaBkdnMe

What does your crystal ball say about this ?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gaschen, Dane
Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Subject: Ethics Concerns and Course of Dealing Exception [BRICKER-WS.FID191447]
To: michael_weis@huron-city.k12.oh.us

Mike,
In response to Ms. Catri’s questions from this morning. The one statute at issue is R.C. 2921.42. In terms of whether the course of dealing exception applies, as noted in Ethics Opinion 90-003 (copy sent separately this morning) on page 4 it notes that if any material changes are made in the agreement between the parties the sales would not fall within the exemption because such changes alter the original understanding between the parties. Separately, in Ethics Opinion 90-005 (copy sent separately this morning) the Ethics Commission stated that each individual sale was a separate transaction and thus prevented the continuing course of dealing exception from applying. This would appear to be particularly applicable to your situation with the hardware store. Additionally, I have attached three other Ethics Opinions that addressed the exception in 2921.42. All of these would show that each contract that Mr. Caporini is involved in would need to be considered separately and does not constitute a continuing course of action. Further, there is an additional statute (attached) R.C. 3313.33 which prohibits a board member from having directly or indirectly any pecuniary interest in any contract of the board. So, even if you could get past the ethical considerations, R.C. 3313.33 prevents board members from having a pecuniary interest –directly or indirectly – in any contract entered into by the Board.
I hope this is helpful. Please let me know if you need anything additional.
-Dane

Still Sold

You got me all wrong UGttaBe..

I am telling you how Huron Cement sells to the school, presumably legally, while ACE cannot. I told you that I MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT IT IS THE WAY IT'S DONE. Huron Cement sells to the school through contractors.

If there is a check made out directly to Huron Cement I would question it if I am Tim SOWecke. (Although there is a clause related to bid jobs. If they are the low bidder why wouldn't you be allowed to purchase from them ? Unfortunately for ACE, they are usually buying items that are used day to day.. Although I'm going to argue my own point by saying that if ACE is the only hardware in town are you supposed to go to Sandusky to buy items for the Huron Schools instead of buying from a taxpayer ?)

The law is pretty simple.

In fact.. The example used to describe the law and how it affects board members: A man delivers milk to the school for ten years. He then becomes a board of education member. The school can no longer use milk from his company because he is on the board.

I don't agree with the law because if someone is a school board member, presumably they are school supporters and why do we penalize them because they are involved ?

But.. As I stated earlier, if you are elected to the board.. hire and fire the treasurer and superintendent.. What keeps you from 'forcing' them to use your company ?

This law should not be so 'cut and dried'.

And you should not be so cut and dried with your opinions. I am really on the side of the school, the students and the school's employees. I am not on the side of a board that uses their positions to benefit a coach who will be not coaching in Huron after he retires because the Huron teacher's contract says that the coaching job goes to an 'active' teacher before it goes to a 'retired' teacher. After all.. Isn't that what this is all about ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

You are really out there. The law does not apply to Huron Cement but it does to Ace? Isn't Dane the board attorney, the one that Mr. Asher and Mr. Caporini wanted to investigate Fred Fox? Let me see if I understand you correctly; you don't agree with the law so it is wrong. Who gave you that legal advice, Kevin Asher?

Still Sold

By actually reading what I said, Acorn.. You would know that I actually was sticking up for ACE Hardware's right to do business.

Maybe you should have someone else interpret my words for you ?

Still Sold

Some of the things that Huron Cement carries, ACE carries, too. Why should either be penalized due to their owners being members of the board of education.

Unfortunately for them, the state of Ohio believes that it is a conflict of interest unless they are the low bidder. I can't say it any plainer.

Tsu Dho Nimh

And Mr. Caporini appears to have broken the law - no sales directly or indirectly is how the rule reads. Indirectly means selling to a contractor who is hired to perform work for the district.

Still Sold

I can't say for sure, TDN.. But THAT is the law.

Still Sold

Here is how I believe ACE can sell to the Huron Board of Education:

The Huron maintenance department has what they call a 'blanket' purchase order. ACE, Huron Cement, etc need to bid on the 'blanket'. In other words they need to price several 'everyday use items'. The low bidder gets the contract.

I would agree to this agreement, but I'm not running the school system so do not know how they are going about purchasing their day to day items.

If I were Tim Sowecke, or John Caporini.. or even Kevin Asher, I would only ask that my business be treated fairly and not penalized because I was a board member.

Still Sold

You are an acorn.

I'm, as usual, telling you the reality. Not your version. The law is too stiff. It can be worked around and board members should not be penalized. How can you find something wrong with that even after John Caporini went after you last night ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Went after me?

Huron_1969

Be careful Sold, you are exposing your lack of morals more than ever before. Amazing how you promote dodging the law

Still Sold

69..
Just because something is a law doesn't mean it's fair.

My morals are not being judged here except by you.

I don't believe I've ever gone on record promoting anyone to break any law. Once again I'll ask you to either read it again or ask someone to read it for you. I DO NOT FEEL IT'S FAIR THAT A BOARD MEMBER'S COMPANY IS PENALIZED BECAUSE THE PERSON IS ON THE BOARD.

What part of that do you not understand ?

Huron_1969

Where you said "the law is too stiff and can be worked around"

Still Sold

Someone should ask where the money went for the Sandusky High School Fram that never got published ?

SCatri

Unlike you, I don't need to hide behind a screen name. You tried to intimidate me back in the summer and you are trying to do so, again. Go back and read the numerous emails and documents that my employer gave you. I did nothing wrong and everything was handled correctly. Your little group has tried to intimidate Mr. Slocum with lies just like you are trying to discredit me. I don't say anything in public that I can't support with valid documents. Mr. Caporini did not shake me one bit and neither do you. You should be careful because you, sir, could be charged with libel.

Still Sold

Ouch..

When you say certain things certain people get their nerve touched.. lol

I didn't connect the two statements, but you sure did.

I really don't know why you would be intimidated by anything that I say that isn't true ?

SCatri

There is nothing to connect. I was the yearbook advisor and you are simply just trying to tarnish my reputation. Like I told you at a previous board meeting, please continue investigating my work history. You will only make me more credible in the eyes of this community. I do not intend to comment anymore on this forum. Hopefully those who are reading this will get a clearer picture of how far you will go.

Still Sold

Also Ms. Catri-
If anything I say that you do not agree with and feel it is liblous you will find that because you can censure it by hitting the INNAPROPRIATE button, that I cannot be found libel.

If you feel that strongly about any of my comments, please feel free to dispute them, but please don't act like you have no recourse.

Still Sold

Now switch back to your screenname and jump on your own bandwagon.

UgtaBkdnMe

You are lower than I thought ! WTH, because someone can dispute your comment, you can't be libel ?

Still Sold

It's right there UGttaBe-
Look down. INNAPPROPRIATE

You always have the right to deem something INNAPPROPRIATE

Then it's up to the Register to decide.

I really have nothing personally against you. You have your opinion and I have mine.

Type on !

UgtaBkdnMe

Here's a thought. Stop being a jerk !

UgtaBkdnMe

Ms. Catri,

Keep up the good work and don't back down. It is apparent that you have exposed some secrets and with Mr. Caporini's reaction last night, you could tell that he was worried. These crooks need to answer for what they have done !

Still Sold

Thanks, Dad !

Tsu Dho Nimh

Do you have any clue how foolish you sound? What do you not understand? The district has been using Huron Cement for years selling field marker, drywall, paint, gravel, a load of cement here and there - items that do not fall under a bid. The district had an open account until Asher put the kibosh on it. He actually did Mr. Sowecke a favor. He certainly does not have to worry about years of possibly breaking the ethics laws. As Ugta told you, check with your sources at the board office.

OldTiger

I worked for huron cement for several years. While building Hurons weight room, I donated my time to pour foundation on a saturday and Huron Cement charged at cost and Donated materials. WHile working there over the years Ive wittnesed John Caporini support Huron Schools on many projects. I believe John is still there to support the schools.

Still Sold

I agree with OldTiger.

And I agree with TDN.

What part don't you people get ? If it is not a bid job and they are not the low bidder it is not legal to sell to sell to the schools if you are a board of education member.

Under the definition of this law Huron Cement, ACE and Asher Bros are all affected. Even if the board member just worked there it's a problem.

It's not fair, (in MY OPINION), but it's the law.

They CAN sell to the district if they are LOW BIDDER on a BID JOB.

If Huron Cement has been selling directly to the schools and are not the low bidder then they are in violation of a conflict of interest.

I'm not arguing with you acorns.

In MY OPINION, within the rules/laws there are ways that board member's businesses CAN LEGALLY SELL TO THE SCHOOLS, but they are strict.

Once again I say to you: If Huron Cement has sold directly to the Huron City Schools and did not do it because they are the low bidder then there is most likely a 'conflict of interest'.

Same applies to ACE, but Huron Cement sells concrete and drywall, etc.. to contractors who work on the schools. When ACE sells to a contractor who then uses the purchase to work on the schools then there is no problem.

It's simple.

Huron Cement also carts the pallots to the school for the homecoming bonfires, but just because they give to the schools does not allow them to sell to the school.

Is this plain enough ?

Still Sold

Just because Asher and Caporini support Fred Fox and I support Fred Fox does not mean I support any one of them breaking a law.

Do not get it twisted as this whole 'conflict of interest' conversation is completely off topic, but I do not want to be known as someone who blindly supports anyone or anything.

If you look long and hard enough you're always going to find something wrong.

This whole conversation falls more into the treasurer's lap then the superintendent's anyway.

It is just not legal for a board member to 'gain' from the sale of anything to the school.

It doesn't matter if I think it's fair, or not.

Simple.

Don Hardy

Believe it or not I dont read the blogs on here, because I dont waste my time.. But tonight I am wasting my time. I watched the video from last night. It was hard to understand what was said, but i really dont care anyways.

about the Huron Cement ordeal, I work there, yes John is my boss, no we do not talk about Fred Fox, because quite frankly I made it known that If i attend a board meeting (which i wont) and i step to the mic, I want answers. Pretty simple..

About Huron Cements involvement. The school hires the lowest bid contractor for any work (sidewalks or whatever concrete work needs to be done). Then the contractor calls the supplier they wish to use.. Huron Cement has not always been that supplier. I think another company did the curbs around the stadium for the field. Long story short. It is up to the contractor to choose the supplier not Huron City Schools... . Huron City Schools is paying the Contractor for the work. Like in all jobs. If we land a job say at cedar point. Cedar point is not paying us, its the contractor who is paying for the material, Cedar Point is paying the Contractor for the work.. Thats how that works, and to my knowledge is not in violation..

This is my one and only post. I just wanted that to be known :)

My views on the Fox ordeal.. Im not smart enough to know whats right or whats wrong with what he did. I do know that Miss VonThron and Mr Legando are respected employees of the school system, rather you agree or disagree with their opinon is all up to you. I get along with both of them just fine, then again I got along with Mr Fox just fine.

As far as my connection with the schools is pretty well known.. And my thing is all about the students.. Thats the only reason Im even connected to HHS.. Enjoy your arguements. I read about 10 of them.. Now I'm signing off... Have a nice day :)

Still Sold

As Don Hardy said:
'Long story short. It is up to the contractor to choose the supplier not Huron City Schools'...

Although if Don Hardy became a school board member could Huron Cement sell to the school district if John Caporini was not on the board ?

I don't think so.

Fair ? Not really. IN MY OPINION !

Still Sold

And as for Ms. Catri:

You are on a mission. It's great !
So am I. I want what is best for the Huron City Schools.
Simple.

I will no longer bring up what the Huron Board of Education has done wrong in this debacle.

I will only comment when the rest of the state of Ohio decides whether Fred Fox has done wrong, or not.

You all want to argue even if I only said the sky is blue.

This all could have been handled better and involves many agendas and many personalities. You're all right and wrong in your own ways. So am I.

I do not believe Fred Fox compromised his job.

The affair is between him and his family. If it caused him to do his job differently how come NO ONE said that under oath when testifying ?

It's a simple question.

When the state comes up with a decision I'll be the first one to say if I was right or wrong. Something, unfortunately some of you cannot grasp.

I think you all think you're right, but I'm not certain you will admit to your motivation.

got.integrity

Still Sold...
Have you not read any of the supporting testimony? How can you say-
"I do not believe Fred Fox compromised his job."

See the portion of the brief pulled from the testimony of Tanny, John and Freddie! Tanny and John testified he was "distracted" Freddie's emails/texts to his "mentee" indicate he was "doing stupid things". When you are sitting at your desk waiting for a phone call from your girl friend-chances are business is NOT getting done which equals a compromise of duties.

This brief also disputs your claim that "If it caused him to do his job differently how come NO ONE said that under oath when testifying ?"
see below...
Records show that during the period from August 2010 until May 2011, using the district’s e-mail system, Fox exchanged more than 250 personal e-mails with Diana McNulty, an administrator in the Fremont school district. Often there were several e-mails per day. (Bd. 3, Bd. 4) This continued for months, sometimes three or four days per week. Sometimes the emails
would be exchanged every couple of hours throughout a work/school day (e.g., on 8-30-2010, Fox sent 7 e-mails to her between 10:40 a.m. and 2:51 p.m.; on 9-1-2010, Fox sent 8 emails between 8:25 a.m. and 3:01 p.m.) Fox admits the accuracy of the dates and times of the emails shown on the spreadsheet (Bd. 3), which are drawn from the actual e-mails, copies of
which are provided in Bd. 4. (T. 20-21)
It is beyond question that these e-mails were sent in pursuit of a personal
relationship with the woman. (T. 22, Fox testified: “I would say that we had a private, discreet relationship. As a married man it was inappropriate”; also see, e.g., Bd. 4, p. B00415 “call me whenever baby”)
The record shows that Fox’s distraction with the relationship he was pursuing through these e-mails affected the district. It was during this period that Ruf noticed a power vacuum in district leadership because of Fox’s absences and inconsistencies. (T. 1045-1046, 1048-1049, 1068-1069)
16 Also unquestionably, the time devoted to drafting and reading these e-mails between himself and McNulty was a distraction from time that Fox should have been devoting to his job responsibilities. Moreover, the e-mails show that the distraction was not limited to Fox’s writing. Dozens of the emails discussed previous phone calls, arranged or asked for future phone calls, and arranged meetings. As a small sampling of those, see the following e-mails generated by Fox just during the period from August 25 to September 30, 2010 (Bd. 4):
2010-Aug. 25 10:58 B00009 soon, I will call you on your cell
2010-Aug. 27 8:21 B00019 what time will you leave Fremont
2010-Aug. 27 8:45 B00022 could I meet you to buy you a drink? Some where
2010-Aug. 30 2:23 B00036 Call
2010-Aug. 30 2:38 B00039 Can you call at 3:15
2010-Aug. 31 3:46 B00052 how about a glass of wine tonight around 6:40? I'll buy. Kalahari … (Response from McNulty: “would luv it!”)
2010-Sept. 1 8:59 B00057 you looked good last night
2010-Sept. 1 11:17 B00068 need to talk later
2010-Sept. 1 1:46 B00071 left you a voicemail
2010-Sept. 1 3:01 B00078 a good time to talk is about 3:45 … I will call you .. I will always call you sometime
2010-Sept. 1 1:52 B00085 call me when you get a chance, I left you a text
2010-Sept. 7 9:41 B00107 I am sorry for your voicemail
2010-Sept. 7 9:49 B00109 … you are making me do stupid things
2010-Sept. 7 10:07 B000112 love to talk
2010-Sept. 7 12:53 B00111 I will wait at my desk. 419-433-1626

So sold can you offer similar FACT or just more mud slinging to distract everyone?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Oh no! You have evidence! Are you Ms. Catri?

Still Sold

Why don't you post like that, TDN ?

You know who Ms. Catri is. It really doesn't matter who is who and what is what as people in town have formed their opinions in many ways and this mess is going to be around for years to come.

Still Sold

Once again-
Great post and full of information actually pertaining to the subject.

I am 'on record' here saying that 'the affair' is not my problem, but is the problem of Fred Fox and his family.

Fred Fox works 24/7 and if he took a break to write/receive email he is entitled to that break.

You know, (as you have obviously read some of the 2700+ pages), that there are PLENTY of examples, under oath, that say Fred Fox's job was not affected by 'the affair'.

I'm not going to post them, but anyone who has read the documents knows this.

And no 1969, (my morals policeman), I'm not condoning 'the affair', but I am saying it's none of my business.

got.integrity

Still Sold
My post is referring to your statement that the affair did not compromise his job. Those testifying that it did not affect his job were Weis (who has personal and professional reasons to see this fiasco work out in favor of Fred you know because he is the MONEY man that also voted on abatements) and Fred's secretary who is less than credible, a gossip and incompetant at best. She too has a personal and professional interest in seeing Fred come out on top. (no pun intended)

I guess Fred would have to work 24/7 to get anything done when he was texting, emailing and calling his girlfriend most of his work day. BUT keep in mind, in the education setting, unlike the business setting, it is difficult to get much "work" done outside of "school hours". Fred's job involved overseeing the employees, buildings and grounds, and educational programming. Hard to do that after school!

Still Sold

Got.-
What do you know of Fred Fox's assistant and why the cheap shots thrown at her ?

Fred Fox's job NEVER only encompasses the 'school day'. If you REALLY knew what you were talking about you would know that Fred Fox is in the office well after the school day ends and his day starts well before the start of the school day. You must be talking about how Mr. Fernbaugh does his job ?

Meetings, board meetings, etc take place after 'school hours' and if you really thought about it you would know that after 'school hours' is the best time to hold a meeting as school is not in session, or in conflict of school employee jobs.

You obviously are close to this issue as your homework is pretty substantial. Do you have personal and professional reasons to see Fred Fox not come back to work ?

got.integrity

Why the cheap shots thrown at the assistant? Because I have no respect for people who change their story to suit their own needs, seems she has a lot in common with her former boss.

I am aware that many meetings take place outside of the school day but for most sup'ts it is in addition to the time spent during school hours not instead of like Fred. In addition, I am not saying he wasn't AT work during school hours...he just wasn't WORKING!

And yes I do have personal and professional reasons to see Fred not come back to work! I have students in the district, I pay taxes in the district and I have integrity and morals and expect the same from my sup't.

Tsu Dho Nimh

You make cheap shots at the principal who came forward but are offended when something is said about Fox's assistant. How rich!

Still Sold

Acorn (TDN),
Point out a cheap shot I've thrown at ANY principal.

Cut and paste it at the end so I see it.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Here is an instant replay for you, Sold...

"Guess she forgot that Fred Fox gave her that first job. I really don't blame her for standing up and speaking. By doing that no one in their right mind would ever try to get rid of her because it would appear to be retaliation.

Tanny is sharp !"

Still Sold

lol..
It's a compliment, not a cheap shot.

How many times do I have to commend Tanny VonThron on her political savvy ?

whazup

I don't see your comment as a compliment. You are saying she spoke to protect herself. I say she spoke because she wanted the truth to be known.

nobodyfromnowhere

Ok Im not Sold but the following are facts:
FACT: The Board failed to conduct the required evaluation of FOX since Oct. 2010.
Fact: The Huron School District has been rated Excellent of Excellent with Distinction for the past 3 years.
Fact: At the end of 2011 the District had approx $8,000,000 in the bank on a budget of $15,000,000
Fact: According to your numbers from Sept 2010 to May 2011 Fox sent an average of 1.3 e-mails (250 total) to McNulty per WORK day (193days).
Fact: According to the e-mails you provided from Aug. 25 2010 to Sept. 30 2010 he sent an average of .55 e-mails (15 total) per WORK day (27days)
Fact: The neutral referee, picked by both parties, found that "The District failed to offer any proof whatsoever to establish that the Superintendent did not preform his duties in an acceptable manner under the terms of his contract." (Referee's report Pg. 44)

Still Sold

Great post Got. !

TaxRaider

SCatri...Thank you for having the courage to ask questions and seek the truth. Each time I hear you speak out at a Board meeting, I want to vote you in as a Board member. If you ever consider running, I will volunteer to be your campaign treasurer.

It is a shame that Mr. Schoolboardspouse wasted your employer's time and resources as an attempt to intimidate you. I checked into the supposed FRAM story and I found ..... the last year you were the yearbook advisor the book did not get produced because not enough books were sold to make a minimum order and everyone was refunded their money. The yearbook sales significantly decreased for two reasons (1) the state of the economy and (2) the decline in student enrollment. I find it interesting Mr. Schoolboardspouse has no connections to Sandusky but he refers to the yearbook as FRAM and knew the book was not published .... hmmmmm, wonder where he got his misinformation????

Still Sold

I would have to say that I too, would like to see Ms. Catri run for the Huron Board of Education.

She can't be any worse than who's there now.

UgtaBkdnMe

Still Sold

What are you tryng to say because you are hard to follow. Are you saying the board member didn't make sales that he shouldn't have or are you saying he did but the law is unfair. The letter posted is clear that he should not be selling to the board and it does say directly or indirectly. I am assuming that the letter is from the attorney for the schools like some said earlier. Please give us an example of how a sale can be indirect if going through a contractor is ok.

Don Hardy

ok two posts .. nothing Huron Cement sold to the school required board approval. again how it was done was not in violation . now im done! have a nice day!

Tsu Dho Nimh

You are absolutely right about the right to supply if you are the lowest bid. I'll be the devil's advocate. What if the maintenance dept. picks up 16 sheets of drywall for a small project? What if they buy some strip-eeze to remove graffiti? What if the maintenance supervisor hires snow removal for the 4 school buildings on December 27? Do you think that these items went throught a bid process and the board voted on it?

Still Sold

TDN-
All good examples, but there is some type of blanket PO, (purchase order), to allow for such purchases.

As I stated over and over: I do not think the law, (conflict of interest), is fair, but it is a law(s). We can't fault Huron Cement for doing anything at cost and I will bet John Caporini has documents to back up the cost on these purchases.

Huron Cement constantly donates to the Huron City Schools and it should be illegal for them NOT to make a profit.

(And.. I feel the same way about ACE and Asher Bros. You should not be penalized for giving your time to the schools.)

UgtaBkdnMe

I agree that the law doesn't seem fair in some instances but it is still the law. There was a blanket PO, or open account, for the school. That is how many items were purchased. But the ORC specifically says he can't sell and he did. I think the whole point of the statement at the board meeting was that Asher never questioned his buddy selling miscellaneous items but as soon as Sowecke and he started to disagree about Fred, Asher questioned if it was ethical for Ace to sell to Huron schools. Ends up that the lawyer said Huron Cement couldn't either.

whazup

I see you changed your comment and the laws are gone. I'm confused. All the sales were fine because contractors use your supplies. Isn't there a bid process for projects and the board then votes to approve it during a meeting? Precision Paving was voted on by the board to make a contract to do work. I'm not saying there was wrong doing but the explanations of why it was okay doesn't make sense.

Still Sold

Ugta-
The only way that a board member's company, (and that also includes if a board member just works for the company), is:

Example:
A contractor is doing work at the schools.
The contractor buys supplies from ACE Hardware and uses them at the schools.

Example 2:
A contractor is putting in cement or drywall at the schools.
The contractor buys cement, or drywall from Huron Cement who delivers the supplies to the schools.

Example 3:
There's a job at the schools that requires the purchase of concrete.
Huron Cement bids on the job vs Other Concrete Company.
Huron Cement is the low bidder and sells the concrete to the school.

Example 3 is the only one I am not totally positive about. I believe it to be allowed in this instance, but would have to look it up, or just wait for someone else on here to research it. Hahahaha

Hope this clears up what I was trying to say above !

local observer

As an outsider following all of this, I am a bit curious as to why some folks seem to be blindly supporting Mr. Fox in this saga.

I understand you are now hanging your hats on the Department of Education Referee’s finding but I have ask you, is Mr. Fox the type of person you want leading your district? Mr. Fox carried on an affair using public resources, his work time and his work computer. At the very least, this shows extremely poor judgment, outright stupidity, unbelievable arrogance or some combination of the three. As the leader of the organization responsible for educating the community’s children the Superintendent (Mr. Fox) should exhibit behavior (both professional and personal) worthy of emulating. Don’t you agree?

Something else the supporters of Mr. Fox seem to want to dismiss is the ethics angle. Something the Referee basically punted on and it is a very real problem Mr. Fox faces whether he is reinstated or not. Kalahari has tax abatements in place granted by the school district. Those abatements are formally reviewed each year. The school district is part of those reviews. Due to those abatements, Kalahari has a continuing business relationship with the district. As such, under Ohio Law, anyone associated with Kalahari is an “improper source” of any gifts or discounts, period. Each time Mr. Fox accepted a gift or something he did pay full value for from anyone associated with Kalahari he violated the law. The freebies and discounts from Kalahari are criminal violations with each instance carrying a maximum penalty of six months in jail. Mr. Fox is probably facing years in jail.

Please see for yourself at:

http://ethics.ohio.gov/education...

The Kalahari involvement again shows extremely poor judgment, outright stupidity, unbelievable arrogance or some combination of the three. Again, I ask is this someone you want leading your district?

Even if certain are individuals are pursuing a vendetta against Mr. Fox, Mr. Fox’s own actions have provided them the ammunition. School leaders are paid a lot of money these days and their employers (the School Board) and the people paying the bills (the community) have every right to expect and should demand exemplary behavior (both professional and personal). It has been well demonstrated that Mr. Fox has failed to exhibit exemplary behavior on numerous occasions but he still has supporters. Why?

Years ago, when we still had some standards in this country, someone in Mr. Fox’s position would have resigned in shame and would have been provided little to no community support but today it is sadly a different story. People who defend or want to ignore the misbehavior of others are a big reason why this country has been on a downward drift for quite sometime.

Fox supporters, please look yourself in the mirror and ask, “Am I part of the problem?”

I’d like to hear your answers.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Excellent points and you are absolutely correct. Mr. Fox engaged in behaviors that are the root cause of the situation that he is in today.

Still Sold

No matter how you glorify it, Kalahari is a non-issue.

Fred Fox has no influence over Kalahari's tax abatement.
For the 500th time, talk to the treasurer who handles the MONEY !

nobodyfromnowhere

Unfortunately your above comment is some what lacking in details. First off you are correct in Fox's lack of judgement in having an affair and using the school e-mail system to do it.

As to Kalahari your information appears to be lacking. First Mr. Fox's involvement with Kalahari was not only condoned but strongly encouraged by the District. Kalahari paid approx. $100,000 (some body correct me if I am wrong) for naming rights to just the field at the High School Stadium, and I believe was preparing for an approx. $500,000 donation towards the renovation of the Jr. High auditorium. I have a hard time finding how obtaining $600,000 in potential donations is bad judgement. You then speak to the tax abatement. When Kalahari began to pursue their abatement Mr. Fox recognizing his friendship with Mr. Nelson recused himself from the issue. It was decided that the school treasurer would handle the issue. The Treasurer is under the direct supervision of the school board and is not in the Superintendent's chain of command. The actual abatement was negotiated by Erie County and the school board only approves it. Again the Superintendent did not have any influence over the decision. The tax abatement does not constitute a "continuing business relationship" with the district any more than a home owner paying his property tax does. Your statement also over simplifies Ohio Ethics laws. Nowhere does it say that any gift from an "improper source" is a violation. In fact the Ethic Commission Information Sheet you referenced says the opposite. The controlling statute is ORC 102.03 D&E which requires that the gift "... manifest a substantial and improper influence upon the public official or employee with respect to that person’s duties." By recusing himself from the tax abatement issue Fox removed the appearance of, or actual possibility of substantial and undue influence. In addition the district was not even able to prove that on the golf trip Fox received any discount. Their own investigator did not even attempt to determine exactly what Fox paid, the rack rate for the stay, or the actual rate on the dates of the stay (flex rate). In short the District failed to prove not only substantial undue influence but that any discount was even given.

As for why I support Fox it is that I have a belief in fundamental fairness, and I feel that the Board was unfair to Mr. Fox throughout this whole process. First they suspended him with-out pay when they had no right to. A move which they then had to reverse. They went off the reservation an hired an unknown law firm who's purpose I believe was the deliver a predetermined out come. This law firm conducted what I would generously call a substandard, over priced, unobjective, and biased investigation which produced a report of the same quality. The failure to even attempt to interview Mr. Fox, Mr. Nelson, Mrs. McNulty, The Treasurer, Mr. Blodgett, Mrs. Beula, etc. all major figures in the investigation and curiously all people who later testified in support of Fox speaks to the bias and cannot be excused. This report was then improperly made a public record and released by the Board to local media. The District then used this report to begin termination proceedings. As part of those proceedings a hearing was held before a neutral referee, as required by law, chosen by both parties (the first example of fairness thus far). This referee not only found in favor of Fox but found that the District failed to meet the burden of proof for every single charge (including the accusations about the trip). While the Ethics Commission has yet to rule the burden is even higher than the ODE. You speak of the affair yet it is general knowledge that a coach had an affair with a married co-worker who worked in the same school yet neither suffered official sanction for it. There was also ample testimonial and documentary evidence introduced that many people use the school e-mail system for personal business yet nobody before or since this incident suffered sanction for it. Again fundamental fairness means you can't punish one person for something then not punish everybody else who did the same thing, its not fair.

You mentioned that years ago our country had standards. One of those standards was fairness. Everybody was supposed to get a fair shake, a fair hearing, a fair chance, it is one of the founding principals of our country. That did not happen here. From the beginning the school board appeared to be determined that Mr. Fox was not going to get a fair anything. Once the investigative report came back many more people began to question the fairness of what the board was doing, including this paper. Then the neutral referee's report came out which brought the same questions of fairness to the fore front. His ruling was strongly in favor of Mr. Fox and he even alluded to this bias on page 45 when he stated "Because the board did not appear to consider the arguments and explanations from both sides with regards to these charges, this referee believes that there was a rush to judgement by the majority of the Board against the Superintendent." You stated that "People who defend or want to ignore the misbehavior of others are a big reason why this country has been on a downward drift for quite sometime." Yet you seem to want to at least ignore the misbehavior (improper suspension, biased substandard report, squandering of taxpayer monies, improper public release of the report, unproven allegations, general unprofessionalism and unfairness of the process, replacement of personal feeling over sound judgement) of the majority of the school board in this situation. If you support this "the ends justify the means" and "by any means necessary" attitude over a professional, through, unbiased, fair, and objective investigation & review then, please look yourself in the mirror and ask, "Am I part of the problem?"

I'd like to hear your answer.

nobodyfromnowhere

Still waiting.

Still Sold

Great post Nobody !

I think your figures on what Kalahari/Todd Nelson gave for the football field are low, but besides that you make perfect sense and the only answers you will ever get will be off your topic and putting yu down for supporting Fred Fox.

Well said !

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold...please provide us the right figures. We want to know what the going price is for ignoring gross misbehavior.

Go BIG Red

As a Bellevue residennt i have been following this and now i have to comment. I have been doing business with Huron Cement for years and must say how sad i am to hear the way they are being treated. Anytime over the last 10 years that we have poured concrete at Bellevue High School or any of our sports fields , John or Jodi have always done so at a cost basis to save our district money. Always saying that when its for the kids we dont make any money. They have saved our school thousands of dollars. I cant even begin to wonder what Huron Cement has saved your school over the last 50 plus years !!!!!! Not how much they made, but rather what they gave up to support there school system. What a shame. Does anyone even know if John is majority shareholder in the corporation ? He may be an employee . Either way, we apprieciate what they have done for us. Go Red (Bellevue redmen that is )

Darwin's choice

Good post!

Still Sold

This is another example of how good people who give to the school(s) are hosed by the 'conflict of interest'.

Huron Cement/ACE/Asher Bros most likely all give things, (including their time on the school board), to the schools, but are subsequently not allowed to do business with the school.

And in reference to the post above, Huron Cement doesn't have to give to anything to anybody, but they choose to even give to schools other than Huron.

'Conflict of Interest' doesn't always make sense.

whazup

From what I hear, he is the president of a family owned business so I would think he is more than an employee. I'm sure he has done alot of kind things for people over the years including Huron schools. I would like to know why the law firm for the schools told them to cease doing business with Huron Cement if it isn't a problem.

Retiree

The people in Huron are being blindsided by the friends of Mr. Fox. They are manipulating the truth and lying. Kalahari's CEO signed a bank note for the purchase of tickets by the Huron Boosters. A portion of the money from the sale of the tickets went to the resurfacing of the football field. The rest of the money went to pay off Kalahari's loan at the bank. The football team appreciated Mr. Nelson by honoring him at a football game for helping the
community and boosters.

Kalahari was give a tax abatement for fifteen years for the construction of other buildings. An agreement was signed prior to the construction that at the end of the fifteen years a percentage of the taxes would go to the remodeling of the Junior High School. There are people that want you to believe that this agreement does not exist. The agreement does exist between the Huron Township Trustees and Kalahari.

It takes a lot of money to raise a family in Huron today. Besides educating a student there is clothing, food, activities, etc. As owner of property I am very concerned about the misuse of taxpayers money. I support the three board members and their investigation into the theft and corruption of taxpayers money.

Still Sold

You support the 3 board members who will imminently cost Huron taxpayers millions of dollars and not one of those dollars going towards educating Huron's children ?

Typical

Still Sold

I'm using imminent a lot today.

It's imminent that I post imminent !

Sit n Spin

Maybe you should purchase a thesaurus and broaden your horizons :)

Still Sold

Listen, oh king of posting a phrase instead of a whole sentence.. lol

got.integrity

I find it interesting that Fred's friends on the blog fail to respond to any post that contains fact! They post anytime they can to sling mud but are absent when facts are presented. But what can you say when the testimony of the guy you are supporting contradicts your posts. So sorry Good Humor Doper and friends you have attached your boat (or the boat you use) to a very heavy anchor.

Still Sold

Listen acorn, I mean GOT-
Please look back through the entire blog and you will see me address all, (factual, or fictional) with equal enthusiasm.

I even found time, between mud slinging, to address this post.

I commend you for your research on the above, (about 5 back), post and want to tell you that you, along with Ms. Catri should run for a seat on the Huron City Schools Board of Education.

At least you two do your homework !

Truth and Justice

There are certain posts on here that are Attorney/Client privilege and not public record. These posts clearly were purposely and wrongfully leaked. I’m not a regular poster as all know. Thank you Mr. Hardy. All this stuff about Huron Cement is making me sick. This all started way back with Dino and Rose Caporini. Great supporters of the school system and philanthropic people. All you had to do was go and ask Dino. He supplied concrete, drywall, gravel, money - whatever was needed at cost or fully donated for the “kids” as he would say. How many years did he donate use of the drywall truck and driver to haul the kids around for Homecoming or other parade sponsored events. If the Caporini’s are selling anything to the school sub suppliers, it is at cost. No profit there. They make no money. Oh let’s not all forget the annual Huron Cement Scholarship. Also let’s not all forget how many students have been employed there over the summers at Huron Cement. How many times John or Dino had the big front end loader out on the Huron streets pushing snow because the City did not have big enough equipment. Did he send them a bill – no sir. Or how many times he has moved those big concrete blocks to the lake to help save eroding property during big storms. So let’s get off this. Anyone out there short of Todd Nelson that wants to stack up what they’ve donated next to the entire Caporini family over all these years – let’s go. Drop it. Catri and all of you out there, any time you want to put together an excel spread sheet and compare your donations in total to the entire Capering family, let’s do it.

nobodyfromnowhere

Further proof that NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!!!

Still Sold

Amen Nobody..

UgtaBkdnMe

The email was public record and was sent out by the treasurer.

Retiree

I would suggest the Sr gets their story that they print in the paper straight. Unless the video was altered, not once did I see a thunderous applause from anyone that spoke on Fox's behalf. I did see standing ovations after the speeches to terminate Fox.

To make a statement that this termination process has divided the community of Huron is wrong. There are more people against Fox's rehiring than for it. That was proven by the amount of support for the three board members at the last meeting.

I do see that the Fox camp have started another rumor to discredit another person. They are now saying that Ms. Vonthron is interested in the superintendents position. Keep throwing your mud against the wall and hope something sticks. You are burying yourself with all the false rumors and name calling that you print.

Still Sold

Retiree-
Stop 'selectively' reading and reporting comments, please.
Never once was it said that Tanny VonThron's imminent rise to superintendent was a bad thing.

I'm 'on record' as saying that by standing up in front of that crowd, Ms VonThron has insured that no one can ever 'retaliate' against her. They all know the story.

She, Ms VonThron, is very savy about politics and will make a fine superintendent someday if she chooses to be.

Why are you talking about anything except for that decomissioned bus ?

Justme...

"imminent rise"? You can continue to imply she is after his job all you want, but anyone who has read her testimony knows otherwise.

Still Sold

Not what I said.
I am saying that she will be a superintendent somewhere, if not here.

Spin it any way you want acorn, but it is a compliment. She's good !

Still Sold

Do you have a reading problem ?

I just read my comment again and you are really not making any sense with your question.

Let me rephrase:
If Santanna VonThron has ambitions to be a superintendent she will make a good one.
(Can I say it any plainer acorn ?)

Justme...

I asked you a question many posts ago and you ignored it - have you read her testimony? If you did you would know she has no such amibitions and you would quit implying (in many posts) that she is after the superintenent position. Your statement above is what's called "a left handed compliment".

Still Sold

One more time Justyou who apparently has reading and digesting problems:

If Santanna VonThron decides she wants to be a superintendent she will make a good one. How do you know what her asperations are ?

This is with my right hand, acorn.

Justme...

I know because I read her testimony. One more time acorn...did you?

Tsu Dho Nimh

He has a hard time digesting anything that does not "exonerate" Fox.

Huron_1969

Agree 100% with Retiree

Still Sold

What did you say 1969 ?
(Glad to see we are in agreement !)

Huron_1969

Sold buddy old pal..... You know I was agreeing with Retiree!
Your volumes of posts slipped in as I hit save

Still Sold

I know, but was hoping you would see the common sense of what I posted, too.

She's good. I hope the best for her.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I don't recall a thunderous applause, either for the Fox side. It sounded like a few dozen people at best.

Still Sold

Hahaha.. That wraps it up in a nutshell.
(Referring to the Huron Cement post above)

This is what I am saying about Huron Cement. They give and give and give to the Huron School district and the 'conflict of interest' law prevents them from making any money because John Caporini is on the Huron Board of Education.

It doesn't matter if you are talking about Huron Cement, or any other business connected to a school board member. No one is exempt under the law.

Why are we still talking about this ?

I'm just sitting here waiting for the next school board meeting.
Tick.. Tick.. Tick..
Waiting

Still Sold

So..
I just went and watched the videos again and am again saddened by what I saw.

Huron is definitely divided and divided because this issue was brought forth in a manner that was not business like nor did it serve any purpose except to slander Fred Fox. I cannot believe that the board members would subject themselves to this kind torment for $140 per meeting.

Watching the videos I also got a kick out of the coach calling Fred Fox on the carpet for his morals. The pot definitely called the kettle black.

In the audience there were other coaches who didn't clap for Todd Nelson. How ungrateful are you people ? Do you know what Todd Nelson has given the Huron City Schools ?

The coach also said something I found interesting:
Situations like this used to be handled behind closed doors.

No doubt, coach. This is why we are all talking about this because one of the 3 Stooges decided to bring the issue through another door which made it all public.

Tony Legando is a decent teacher and an even better football coach. He should be taking a much quieter approach to this fiasco because of all the ways he's involved in it and because of his moral compass.

Santanna VonThron is a very credible person who is fighting cancer and also doing her job and has obvious support from her staff as seen by their yellow attire, (Although, I would like to remind Ms. VonThron that our main color is RED !)

Craig Bulea is a businessman and is very passionate about the Huron City Schools.

These people and the others who spoke put a huge pit in my stomach. Huron is in the midst of a 'civil war' of words.

My advice to my friend, Fred Fox has always been this: Even if they give you the job back, don't take it.

Let someone else deal with the problems that are boiling under the surface.

If I say one thing that all of you will agree on I hope it's this:
It's time for this ''civil war' to end.

Huron Board of Education..
Wait for the OEC's report and then do the right thing whatever that may be. This 3-2 stalemate needs to come to an end !

Listen to all of the people who are coming out of the woodwork to talk to you and do as Stacy Chubak/Something said and vote your conscience. You are the ones who have to live with your votes. You make less being board members than any teacher, coach or custodian does and this 'war' is just not worth it ! Why would you put your name and finances on the line for this issue ? Caporini, Sowecke and Asher.. Why would you want a board seat that prevents you, a Huron taxpayer, from making a profit when you deal with the schools ? Why ?

At some point this needs to come to an end. I hope we all agree to that.

got.integrity

Still Sold-
This is going to hurt BUT I actually agree with you...this needs to come to an end.

nobodyfromnowhere

I agree too, this does need to come to an end. The more I think about this the more I wonder. Question, when the board voted to delay their decision was there much objection from the minority members, Mr. Fox, or his attorney? Or is it possible that the delay is because the parties need more time to work out a negotiated settlement (what I personally think is the best and most cost effective solution) quietly in private?

Still Sold

Totally agree that THAT, (settlement), is what they should be doing !

I don't remember if anyone voted no, but will bet on a 3-2.

got.integrity

Sold-
The community may be divided but it isn't an even split. The SR stated about 400 people were in attendance (I personally feel that was a high number & yes I was in attendance) but I would say a high estimate of about 25 people appeared to be in support of Fred. If SR's numbers are correct that would leave 375 in favor of termination.
So there are not too many in Fred's camp-they just all have big mouths!

Still Sold

Got.-
All of us are not far from agreeing on many things in this issue.

One thing, though.. Fred Fox's supporters are business people. You will see them come out of the woodwork eventually. Craig Bulea's Letter to the Editor today was spot on. Facts like you post.

Tanny and Tony had a lot of people at that meeting for sure. I applaud Tanny for stating her position and feel she cemented her position in the school district, forever.

I am not saying that anyone in this fiasco has done the right thing, but I feel like the only way for this to 'go away' is for the board to try to settle with Fred Fox and move foreward.

Right now, with the 'referee's' judgement Fred Fox is headed for a huge payday. If they don't know that I have to fault their legal advisors.

If the board does not settle with Fred Fox and then put the budget cuts in place that Fred Fox initiated they are looking at a 16 mill levy in 2016. Who would possibly vote for that ?

Hope it didn't hurt to much to agree with me, but I have to admire that you are man/woman enough to post it !

Retiree

I was disappointed it took so long for you to address my comment. Another fib or should call it a lie. Decommissioned bus. That is a new one. You must be talking about "bus gate". The one the state is still looking for? The bus sold for a dollar. The bus that was supposed to have been turned back to the state because the Ohio Revised Code says it shall? The bus that has no title that went a long with the sale? We have to be talking about the same bus. I would like to make a purchase like what is mention above. But I would like a title and purchase order so nobody would accuse me of stealing a vehicle that the taxpayers paid for. Maybe there will be another sale in the future like that. I'll just wait for the garage sale because to many tools alike were purchased at the same time. I want one of those $2.00 chainsaws

Still Sold

Retiree-
NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR THAT STUPID BUS !

It's at a hunting camp in southern Ohio. Everybody but you knows where the stupid bus is.

When a bus is decommissioned you can buy it cheap.
Wait for the next one.
You can make it into a camper and live in it.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I think the Fox Camp is camping in it.

Still Sold

Hahaha.. Ummm.. No.
I know who's got it, but I'm not going to bring in another name here, TDN.
If they want to tell people they are free to do so.
(It was still funny !)

Still Sold

I wonder what Retiree's property taxes would be for the bus ?

Retiree

I was disappointed it took so long for you to address my comment. Another fib or should call it a lie. Decommissioned bus. That is a new one. You must be talking about "bus gate". The one the state is still looking for? The bus sold for a dollar. The bus that was supposed to have been turned back to the state because the Ohio Revised Code says it shall? The bus that has no title that went a long with the sale? We have to be talking about the same bus. I would like to make a purchase like what is mention above. But I would like a title and purchase order so nobody would accuse me of stealing a vehicle that the taxpayers paid for. Maybe there will be another sale in the future like that. I'll just wait for the garage sale because to many tools alike were purchased at the same time. I want one of those $2.00 chainsaws

Still Sold

In case you didn't see it above..

Retiree-
NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR THAT STUPID BUS !

It's at a hunting camp in southern Ohio. Everybody but you knows where the stupid bus is.

When a bus is decommissioned you can buy it cheap.
Wait for the next one.
You can make it into a camper and live in it.

good old boy

Your like an old SHOE .....

nobodyfromnowhere

Hey I just looked its Huron 232 comments to Perkins 98. Huron trounces Perkins again!!!

Still Sold

Hahaha..
Better than a basketball score.

(Watch one of the acorns start to argue with me about that comment !)

Go BIG Red

We would love to have Mr Nelson on our Team.....Go Redmen

Still Sold

No doubt, Go BIG Red..

Let's see. We have offers from Perkins and Bellevue.
Does anyone know what ungrateful looks like ?

Sit n Spin

Bend over in front of a mirror & you'll see it :) j/k.... but you set yourself up for that one & acorns like me can't resist a good jab !

Retiree

Thank you very much for that information. I have all ready forward it. Isn't it funny how all the corruption just migrates back to Fox. Selling a bus for a dollar. How much for the tires? $1500.00 How much for the engine? $3500.00 Now how much for the steel in that bus? $8500.00= $13,500 What a deal that person got. What if the person decides not to hunt anymore and decides to sells the bus for scrap. Looks like the Huron taxpayer just got taken again by a sly Fox. What makes me mad is, that scrap steel would have made a lot of bombs to protect our soldiers overseas. Who is using the bus for a hunting camp?

I watched the video where Mr. Nelson asked the three board members for an apology. I feel if anyone should give Mr. Nelson an apology it should be Fox for dragging him into the mess. The board was voted in to look after taxpayers money and look for miss use of monies. They did their job and found corruption within the school administration. It is to bad that Mr. Nelson picked a wrong group of associates.

Could you give me some information about "tool gate".

Darwin's choice

WOW ! You are really stretching the old imagination tonite! Please look under "public auctions"/government surplus, tonites include hundreds of money makers for you! Why, just from the sale of tires, engines, steering wheels, you could retire. No one was taken for anything! However, the board is doing an obama job of looking after taxpayers money.

Still Sold

Darwin you are speaking to deaf ears.
Retiree is like 4 years behind this story.

I have to admit that selling any bus for $1 is amazing, but it is exactly how it's done.

Wald

Retiree, did you report the grassy knoll as well? How about Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster? Haha

Still Sold

hahaha

Still Sold

Retiree-
Listen. You are way correct that a bus would be worth good money for scrap.

The bus you are referring to was given, I mean sold, for $1 to the band parents when Roger Barnes was the superintendent.

Tmm

I've been gone for a while so I do have a few questions...
Sold what exactly is an "acorn"? Does it stand for something or is it just a made up adjective to describe someone?
Sold I noticed you have taken up the idea that vonthron spoke up at the board meeting to protect her job as your own. Why do you continue to take another's idea and ramble on and on and try to pass it off as your own?
Sold was that you the other night using Jesus as a way for all of us to forgive each other?
Sold you do know there is medication for your OCD that will help? What will you do once this whole fiasco is over? Will you commit suicide? Move in with Fred fox and family? Adopt ms mcnulty? Clean mr Nelson's office? Or sell concrete for Huron cement?
Sold please simple responses, i tend to ignore anything over a paragraph. Although I am at page 978 of the ODE report. The banter between Murray and the ref is very interesting. Could have sworn they were hanging out together last summer at the village pump on KI. That's something that should be looked into don't ya think?

Still Sold

Tmm-
Acorn = Nut (Look it up)

Santanna VonThron will absolutely make a good superintendent someday. And yes, by standing up in front of the public like that, what acorn would 'retaliate' and do anything to her ? I thought you had enough intelligence to figure out that I am posting compliments to Ms. VonThron on her savvy. I don't blame her. With this board who's next ? (Who posted anything about Ms VonThron and her protecting her job ? I read it all acorn.. I mean Tmm)

Ever seen me mention, Jesus, on here, Tmm ?

UgtaBkdnMe

Tmm,

Did you notice that Fox supports on the right side of the stage (near Caporini) appeared to have stopped off for a few prior to the meeting ? I know you think Sold is the WWJD man but I still think Mr. Mywifelosttosowecke is a good candidate. His body language sure matched these posts. I sat near one of Fox's distant team members and he reeked of booze !

Still Sold

Does all of this speculation even matter ?

I felt bad when I named someone on here and they fessed up that it was them. I'm not going to do it again, although I know the AKA's of about 6 other people who post here.

I really no longer care who posts on here, who sits with who at meetings, or which side you are on in this fiasco.

It's time for this to end.
It's time for us all to move on.

It's time for this whole mess to be settled and by all parties.
The finger pointing and backstabbing is crazy !
Who did what and to whome is ruining the greatest small town on Lake Erie.

And UgttaBe -
I actually thought that by answering your simple question you may see that WE have common ground. I actually thought Ms. Catri's evidence was well researched, but there continues to be a common thread that is NOT Fred Fox.

All of the posts I've written and you people can't see that my eyes are open and I see all of the BS that is going on ? And it's not Fred Fox.. It's the circus that is obviously in town !

Darwin's choice

+10000

Julie R.

WWJD?

One thing for certain --- I'll bet HE would never bilk a client out of money and then tell the client two months later: "If you think I'm getting my attorney brothers in trouble for what they did to your elderly mother, Lady, you're crazy!"

Still Sold

Off topic again, Julie R.
(I always enjoy your posts, though ! lol)

Still Sold

They are referring to Bob B. who commented at the meeting.

Julie R-
You need a better, more reliable, honest lawyer to sort out your legal problems !

Tsu Dho Nimh

Julie...have you tried Pat Murray?

Still Sold

hhaaha.. You're funny again, TDN !

Tsu Dho Nimh

: )

NotYourAverageF...

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Retiree

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

got.integrity

Interesting that this comment was removed. What is inappropriate about the truth. I too saw/heard the ice cream man yell at a woman in the lobby of the school...this thread of comments must have hit a nerve.

Still Sold

OK..
What happened Got. ?
What was being said ?
Who was the woman ?

Informed

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Retiree

I was at the Huron School Board Tuesday night. After the meeting I walked outside and heard all this yelling. I walked over to see what the problem was. This big guy 6' 4" was yelling at this woman. It was sad because this Fox supporter made numerous threats to this person. This whole Fox ordeal is getting completely out of hand with the threats and intimidation towards people. This man was completely out of control to be singling out a woman and talking to her the way he did. I guess in Huron you can not have a different opinion.

Still Sold

What were they yelling about ?
What threats were made ?

Seriously.. I want to know if you want to share.

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