Huron school board tables Fox vote

No reinstatement tonight.
Sandusky Register Staff
Mar 19, 2013

After nearly 90 minutes of anticipation, the Huron school board declined on Monday to make a decision whether to reinstate fired district superintendent Fred Fox. 

The board vote was 3-2 in favor of tabling the motion. 

Audience members spoke for about 55 minutes before the vote was taken, including Kalahari owner Todd Nelson.

Check back here for updates and for video of the meeting. 

Be sure to pick up Wednesday's Register for the full story on the meeting and to read more on what Fox's supporters and detractors had to say. Also in Thursday's Register: A story on the budget crisis just on the horizon for Huron Schools.

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Comments

Still Sold

Well now..
Who would have guessed 3-2 ?

And Coach Legando standing up and talking about morals.. Funny

UgtaBkdnMe

As ironic as many people seem to find it, please tell me what part of what he had to say wasn't true.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sorry, a double post.

srblogger

i feel the same way! His speech was dead nuts on.

two people i feel very sorry for in this entire mess - vonthron, nelson both do not deserve this b.s.

OccamsShavingCream

I actually blacked out half way through his speech. When I came to, I was cutting the grass on the practice field. What happened?

Still Sold

Dear Todd Nelson-
Sorry for what the Huron Board of Education and their hired gun, Mr. Markling have done to you. I would take the field back.
Sold

Brick Hamland

Good point, why wouldn't you want to run his name through the mud he only gave $500K... (sarcasm). I live in Perkins, I wish Fred Fox would come take that job and get that school system squared away.

good old boy

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kris63063

Are they ever going to learn....Todd Nelson put you in your place this evening and still its the good old 3-2 vote. Stop wasting our time and money

Still Sold

No Chris..
The 3 will never learn.
And I hope Todd Nelson isn't holding his breath waiting for the apology.

tzu4u

Amazing show of incompetence, and a disregard for the taxpayer money they are wasting. I hope the school system has good insurance for the lawsuits coming from both Fox and Kalahari. You are dealing with defamed people with deep pockets.

Still Sold

No doubt !

good old boy

I think Mr Nelson is gonna make em pay for that tonight !!!

Still Sold

No doubt !

Sit n Spin

Hahaha ! Psyche ! Me thinks the 3 "stooges" are waiting on the OEC to deliver their report....hmmmm not too stoogie on their part !

kris63063

I listened to all the comments made this evening and it was obvious that some of you didn't by the 3-2 vote. Sad that your wife had to get up and speak of your integrity Mr Soweke as I believe that you do not have any and it is an embarrassment to the entire commmunity the way all of this has been handled. Time to take the recommendation that has been given to the Board and move on.

kris63063

Tzu4u......I agree 10000%.........what. total disrespect. & stupidity they showed

UgtaBkdnMe

Since the topic of integrity has been brought up, are anyone of you in the Fox camp going to comment on the integrity and courage of the elementary principal? She is pretty hard to discredit.

Sit n Spin

Kudos to Tanny for standing tall & having the guts to speak out on the half arse Taich report. She would make an excellent Super ;)

Still Sold

Some day she will be.

Guess she forgot that Fred Fox gave her that first job. I really don't blame her for standing up and speaking. By doing that no one in their right mind would ever try to get rid of her because it would appear to be retaliation.

Tanny is sharp !

srblogger

so translate? are you disagreeing that there was an issue with her and fox?

google me

Not the verdict either side wanted, but the right one. If either side expects the other to change its mind give them the time to weigh ALL the facts.
I commend the 3 Board Members for doing what is right.

UgtaBkdnMe

Absolutely!

nobodyfromnowhere

I tried to watch online but kept getting told that the website was unavailable. Did they give a reason for the delay? Also what did Mr. Nelson have to say?

Sit n Spin

The reason they gave for the delay was more time to go through the 2700+ pages of documentation, in reality they are waiting for the OEC report to be delivered. In short Mr. Nelson requested a public apology from the "3" board members for dragging his name, his family & his business through the mud with slanderous accusations. Motion & request was denied & he walked back to his seat.

nobodyfromnowhere

Bad move by the Board. If, and most probably when, the OEC returns a finding of no violation then the District is in an extremely weakened negotiating position with regards to any settlement. It will also put them in a weaken position with regards to defending any lawsuits related to this issue. Not apologizing to Mr. Nelson will also have the same result since they very publicly insinuated he violated Ohio law. In the mean time the cost to the taxpayers just grows.

Sit n Spin

What if the OEC returns findings that violations do & did exist ? There is no way any one on that board was going to give him a public apology in that venue, not gonna happen & you know it.

nobodyfromnowhere

That is a big gamble and would be highly unlikely because it has to meet the standard set forth in ORC 102.03 D&E which is much higher. By not apologizing they are risking a lawsuit by Mr. Nelson and Kalahari as a corporation who we all know have very deep pockets. I don't see him giving them another opportunity. This is a guy who gave the District $500,000 just to generate good will. How much do you think he would spend to defend his and his company's good names? The District is in a hole and they seem intent to just keep digging.

Sit n Spin

There is no gamble on waiting for the OEC report, its the only card they have left. It would be ridiculous not to & you know that. Nelson is gonna do what he wants to do whether or not he received an apology tonight or not.

Still Sold

No doubt, Spinner.

I don't know that I give them that much credit, but it only makes sense. I really think it is just a political move as they are in a no win situation. They wouldn't have made it out of there alive voting either way last night.

I really think all of the Huron Board of education needs to take a serious look at how all of this is affecting their lives. Personal and professional.

The 3 can in no way, shape or form apologize publicly to Todd Nelson. That would be a public admission of guilt.

This whole debacle is a terrible way to portray Huron !

Sit n Spin

See we agree on some things, this entire drama is disgusting ! I agree with the Todd Nelson comment also but he is never going to receive that apology.

Sit n Spin

It was also quite obvious Freddie does not have much support within the community except for the dozen or so people that followed the Bulea shame on you speech with their golf clap. I hope all 5 board members took notice of this.

UgtaBkdnMe

Did you catch that Caporini said the one citizen has been on a rampage ? WTH ??? He really showed his colors !

Sit n Spin

It's comical in a sense to see certain individuals called out on the carpet & see their reactions / body language. You can tell they dont get that type heat delivered to them very often :) I wonder what he really wanted to say to her ! Lol !

UgtaBkdnMe

Well, I don't think he wanted to ask her out for lunch ! LOL

Still Sold

I didn't see the first part, Spinner.

Was it Ms. Catri, (aka TDN), that Caporini was talking about ?

Sit n Spin

Yep, she was trying to run Cap over the coles with the conflict of interests with Huron Cement and being a board member bit. She also asked Asher why he has a problem with Sowecke being a vendor to the district when Huron Cement has been a vendor to the district for years and you never had a problem with it. What say you now Mr. Asher and Caporini ?
The look on their faces was priceless ! Haha !

Still Sold

I don't know if you'll see this Spinner, but Huron Cement NEVER deals directly with the school district. The actually always have a 'middle man' contractor who buys their products.

If Tim Sowecke even put his ACE in his wife's name the school district still couldn't deal directly with ACE.

If I was SOWecke I'd say take this seat and shove it. Look what it is doing to him personally and fiscally.

nobodyfromnowhere

If Huron Cement dealt directly with the school district there should be a substantial paper trail. Why hasn't anybody found this and posted it? Sit, Tsu this should be right up your alley. My guess is that it is as Sold says. Since Huron Cement usually sells in bulk, and for large projects the schools send the work out for bids by contractors. Lowest most appropriate wins and they can source the materials from whom ever they please, including Huron Cement.

UgtaBkdnMe

Someone forwarded this email to me and it was FREE MAN ! Public record !

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gaschen, Dane
Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Subject: Ethics Concerns and Course of Dealing Exception [BRICKER-WS.FID191447]
To: michael_weis@huron-city.k12.oh.us

Mike,
In response to Ms. Catri’s questions from this morning. The one statute at issue is R.C. 2921.42. In terms of whether the course of dealing exception applies, as noted in Ethics Opinion 90-003 (copy sent separately this morning) on page 4 it notes that if any material changes are made in the agreement between the parties the sales would not fall within the exemption because such changes alter the original understanding between the parties. Separately, in Ethics Opinion 90-005 (copy sent separately this morning) the Ethics Commission stated that each individual sale was a separate transaction and thus prevented the continuing course of dealing exception from applying. This would appear to be particularly applicable to your situation with the hardware store. Additionally, I have attached three other Ethics Opinions that addressed the exception in 2921.42. All of these would show that each contract that Mr. Caporini is involved in would need to be considered separately and does not constitute a continuing course of action. Further, there is an additional statute (attached) R.C. 3313.33 which prohibits a board member from having directly or indirectly any pecuniary interest in any contract of the board. So, even if you could get past the ethical considerations, R.C. 3313.33 prevents board members from having a pecuniary interest –directly or indirectly – in any contract entered into by the Board.
I hope this is helpful. Please let me know if you need anything additional.
-Dane

UgtaBkdnMe

pecuniary -consisting of or given or exacted in money or monetary payments
indirectly - not in a direct course or path

Sorry Cap, she's right !

nobodyfromnowhere

Ok now please provide the background info and context for this opinion. Still waiting for some reciepts too.

UgtaBkdnMe

Can't post receipts because they are pdf files. I gave an example of a check #, date, vendor and amount on another post. The context you ask ? The question posed was why the district is no longer using Ace Hardware or Huron Cement. This is what Brickler and Eckler provided for the concerned citizen. Huron Cement didn't change the nature of its business. Asher tried to mess over Sowecke and exposed Caporini.

james4

They(the 3 board members) need to grow some kuhunies and cast your vote! This is an embarrassment to our school system our town. We are the laughing stock of the area. Stand up for what you believe and show it. Cast your vote......one way or the other...

Sit n Spin

They are waiting on the OEC to chime in...has nothing to do with kuhunies.

nobodyfromnowhere

They are playing chicken with a train and using taxpayer money to do it!

Sit n Spin

This taxpayer is willing to wait on the OEC report & I'm sure the majority of the community in attendance tonight would express the same.

UgtaBkdnMe

Just like Fox was playing grab butt and using the taxpayer money to do it !

UgtaBkdnMe

Just like Fox was playing grab butt and using the taxpayer money to do it !

nobodyfromnowhere

Grab Butt yes, using taxpayer money no.

google me

If they didn't have "kuhunies" they would have swept it under the rug like the other two that actually are the ones without "kuhunies" or cojones.

kris63063

AGAIN this was a show of the waste of time and money spent on a decision that was. And has been made way before this evening. It is clear that this Board is never going to make a decision, if you drag your feet long enough maybe Mr Nelson will either own or bankrupt the district by your show of stupidity.

The Rudy

The affair with the Fremont principal is enough by itself for termination. If Fox had a smidgeon of integrity at all he would have resigned already. In my private industry salary job, if I used the company computer to send emails like that, and carried on during the day like those two reportedly did, I would be terminated immediately and I would have been ashamed of my conduct.

nobodyfromnowhere

Apparently it wasn't. Then once the District went public with their allegations and released the report, Fox had nothing to lose and everything to gain by fighting it all the way. Thus far that has been a good call for him as he already won a major victory. An OEC ruling favorable to him would be a major knock down hit to the District.

Sit n Spin

Totally agree. What parent would want their children under the leadership of an admitted adulterer ? A leader leads by example, end of story. Freddie has done this to himself & it was exposed. The same could be said about the football coach. When you conduct yourself in an immoral manner on the taxpayers dollar your credibility is shot and you no longer have the ability to lead. The Huron Community came out in full force tonight and it is quite apparent that they are behind the board majority & the administrators that came forward.

Huron_1969

Fox may win a few battles, but he he lost the war.
The majority of the community wants him gone.

nobodyfromnowhere

You are thinking about the wrong war. Its not a war to stay in Huron, Im confident even he knows that ship has sailed. The war is now to save his name on the ethics charges and secure his financial future. That is a war he will most likely win, and it will cost the District A LOT of money that it apparently does not have. Not to mention a more and more likely up comming war with Nelson and Kalahari.

good old boy

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berlinrdgang

T. Lagando sure does love to hear himself speek! I wonder what was going through T. Nelsons mind when he sat there listening to the one guy who is enjoying his donation to Huron more than anybody, bash his friend? lol

After reading 245 pages of the 2700 documents and watching this video, I am almost lost on all this. What I read up to date, seems awful fishy to me.... Don't know who to believe at this point. I have no ties to anybody on the board or the school system, but I do know many through working on the schools over the years and I can tell you this, collusion is rampant in this little town and the buddy system is in full effect.

Informed

Ugta, Caporini's attitude toward the Catri woman is exactly the same as it is any time someone questions him, even in regard to a very mundane, trivial matter. He did it to me in an email years ago when all I did was email board members to give some concerns about the school calendar. He was extremely rude and disrespectful to me in his reply. I can only imagine how he treated the 3 board members about Fox.
Tanny Vonthron said it all. She is a wonderful person, teacher, principal, and leader. And she's had to guts to stand up for what was right for her students and this community.
I have never met nor heard Todd Nelson before this broadcast. What an arrogant man! I don't recall ever seeing in the paper or hearing at a board meeting anything about him and his family. The charges were against Fox, not Nelson. Nelson was never accused of wrongdoing. Too bad he can't separate himself from Freddie.
Craig Bulea, you sounded like a complete moron! The three board members didn't do this. Fox did it. Put the blame where it belongs. Maybe if your wife had opened her eyes years ago, some of this would never have happened.

nobodyfromnowhere

In the Markling report and ODE hearing the District accused Fox of ethics violation of ORC 102.3 D&E. And they stated that those gifts were given by Nelson. If you accuse somebody of violation of 102.03D&E then you accuse the gift giver of violation of ORC 102.03F which states "No person shall promise or give to a public official or employee anything of value that is of such a character as to manifest a substantial and improper influence upon the public official or employee with respect to that person’s duties." You can't have one without the other. That being said I can't see how the District has come even close to meeting the "manifest a substantial and improper influence" burden.

wiredmama222

It seems the school board rolled the dice hoping the state board would back them up on their complaints. They lost and the state stands behind Mr. Fox. They were told to restore the job to Mr. Fox. The State has nothing involved in this one way or the other so if the board is wise, they should restore the job to him until the contract is finished and then let him go.

Otherwise it would seem they are giving him reason to continue lawsuits on a breach of contract, would it not? That is what this is: a breach of contract at this point. How many residents want to see even more taxpayer money expended and insurance money NOT paid out to cover it even for punitive damages, just to get rid of one man?

That's money that could go for their children's education. At this point, now long could his contract be for? A few more years? Then they do not have to renew it and they are off the hook with Fox. That is sure better than battling this through a court where they are sure to lose even more money I would think. This is a no brainer.

Still Sold

From what I read in the 2700+ documents, Fred Fox's contract runs through 2014. I agree.. Settle the mess.

nobodyfromnowhere

If the OEC rules in Fox's favor, which judging from the lack of evidence, is most likely then a Breach of Contract lawsuit will be the least of the board's worries. Think libel, slander, and defamation of character suits from Fox, Nelson, and Kalahari. Imagine paying his salary and benefits for him to sit at home until he is eligible to retire, because this fiasco prevents him from being unable to get a job. How much would that cost? Say nothing of the punitive damages that could result. A settlement and apology now,before they loose what little leverage they have if the OEC rules for Fox, makes a lot of sense. A settlement after a favorable ruling for Fox will cost a whole lot more.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

if having a affair while your on the taxpayer dime. isnt worth losing your job nothing is. school systems are becoming like the mofia. shake down the public with threats and levys. But we will always take care of our own. if this were a private company he would of been fired on the spot. unions have to be mad that there ways are playing out in the public eye. plus what kind of a man would keep this in the public eye with his wife watching. man up and go away

Not Yer Pa

The G.E.D. test really needs to add a writing section. That was painful to read.

asecretlife

Pa...I agree...WOW

nobodyfromnowhere

GED apparently needs a reading comprehension section also.

Huron_1969

Absolutely, I'll sign you up

wiredmama222

@cast the first stone: You should have learned from what the State said, the emotional evidence of this matter has NOTHING to do with what the board did whatsoever, so why harp on it? You may believe what you are saying but the State finds it to be worthless towards his work. You have no grounds for firing him where this is concerned. If I were you, I would just drop it. It is none of your business. Its his personal life not yours.

Informed

Cast, unions have nothing to do with this. Fox and other school administrators are not union members. Admin positions are not union positions.
Berlin, if you've only read 245 pages of 2700, I don't think you can use that on which to base your position. Read the whole thing, especially the concerns that were brought up that started this in the first place.
Wired, did you even read it? I for one do not want the man back. Not for one more day, let alone year or two. Many people in this community feel this way. He stole from us. Period. Anyone with judgment that poor should not be leading our schools. Tanny Vonthron said it all.

Sit n Spin

Wired just likes to run her suck about anything and everything. If you were not there and live in Sandumpy or Farmeretta you don't have a dog in this fight so ride off into the sunset on your donkey.

wiredmama222

@sit and spin...you know, this is sour grapes on your part. I stuck up for him from the beginning and you can't stand the fact that I was right all along. Which part is worse for you to handle? That he is innocent of the charges by the State or that your precious board handled it incorrectly? Whichever is worse, I have as much right to state my opinion as anyone on these boards so go sit and spin, buddy.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

he is paid by tax dollars. He is in the school system. Does not matter what rank. It shows the entire way the schools operate

Edwin Ison

Over and over, this has NOTHING to do with unions!

If a bus driver had a sexual tryst on school time, how long would his employment last?

Fred Fox is not in the union.... the union despises his actions.

underthebridge

A big red flag to me is that Tanny Vonthron says the referee's report does not reflect her testimony. How does that happen?

nobodyfromnowhere

Because that is not what a referee's report does. It renders a decision and rational for that decision.

berlinrdgang

What interests me is the "toolgate" fiasco and the issues with Mr. Blogett. This actually sounds alot worse than having an affair on school time.

I do not know Tanny Vonthron personally, but I do know her parents and they are stand up people and I would take their word to heart, for me it is hard not to believe what she has said. I do congratulate her for standing up for what she believes is right for our schools.

Darkhorse

The country is getting further and further away from telling the difference between what is right and what is wrong anymore and it is eroding our government entities. What is wrong is now what is right and it is sickening that people can't tell the difference. What is happening to our counrty that ethics, morals, charactor,and principles don't stand for anything anymore.

got.integrity

Well said Darkhorse.

RV

Informed...Nelsons name has been a part of this in the paper. It has to do with "possible" free rooms, golf, private jet plane...at/to Wisconsin Kalahari. It's a possible conflict with free goods given and the $500,000 given from Kalahari to Huron. More of a state issue. but it was thrown into the mix.

Still Sold

Ok acorns..
Tanny stood up so she could never be fired. Very intelligent !

Coach Legando stood up and chastized Fred Fox for his morals. That was one of the most amazing things I've ever heard in a public speech. From the man who used an elementary student to deliver notes to his also married and another teacher lover ! He actually broke up two marriages with his tryst, (on company/school time I might add), but is still allowed to work with children.

This thing just goes on and on. Sit N Spin is right that the state needs to be heard from to put this debacle to rest.

If the state finds against Fred Fox after the OEC found for Fred Fox the division will continue.

If the board's legal counsol isn't telling them to settle with Fred Fox I don't know what we are paying them for ? It's time.

Gamble with outcome of another state agency ? Why ?

If I were Fred Fox I sure wouldn't want to work for this board again. And now the big question: Who would ?

I said it above this comment: This board has to look at how this is affecting their personal and professional lives. Is $140 per meeting worth this ?

concerned huron...

"I don't want Washington's problems to become Huron's problems" This slogan was used during the 2011 campaign by a board member. It has bothered me from the beginning because the focus was never on educating the children and quite honestly, what does it mean? Ensuring the government's fiscal problems would not affect Huron school's? Corruption? Greed? Illegal activities? Individuals believing they are above the law and untouchable? These were the thoughts that crossed my mind as I tried to figure out what "I don't want Washington's problems to become Huron's problems" meant.

I do not know nor understand what led to this fiasco, but as a parent with children in the district, this makes me sick to my stomache. All I can do is shake my head in disbelief and wonder if this could have been handled differently, in such a way as to not have completely divided the community?

Still Sold

A very good question, Concerned !

It is actually in the 2700+ documents that it was suggested to evaluate Fred Fox and include the 'issues' in the evaluation. At that point the board of ed would have been documenting their questions of Fred Fox and he would have been given a chance to answer the issues.

This could have been kept reasonably quiet and both sides probably would have come to an agreement. This is not 'sweeping it under the rug'.. this is the way a business does business. Unfortunately, this board does not know how to 'do business'. Tim SOWecke's arrogance and the way he took it upon himself to deliver the Markling Creeport making it a public document caused the entire community to divide.

Yes, Concerned.. This could have been handled better.

Huron_1969

Actually, it was and still is, Fred Fox's actions and conduct that started this fiasco. Everything else is secondary

Still Sold

1969..
Listen.. You are more intelligent than this ?

The referee said: exhonerated. (period)
He said no foul. Fred Fox did nothing wrong,
(especially nothing that affected his job performance)

What does it take for you to understand how simple this is ? Fred Fox's actions did not require splitting the entire community. When are you acorns going to get that if this was handled properly, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation ?

Huron_1969

The referee is a lawyer that has rendered his unofficial opinion. It has the same clout as the Markling report. They were both bought and paid for, yet neither one demonstrates a sense of objectivity and both are biased. Bottom line is neither one is a judicial decision.

Still Sold

When are you acorns going to get that if this was handled properly, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation ?

nobodyfromnowhere

He is a lawyer. But his opinion is OFFICIAL!! It is the official opinion of the ODE and the hearing, procedure there of, and his opinion are provided for in the Ohio Revised Code. That gives his decision a lot of clout. He is a neutral objective hearing officer that was CHOSEN BY BOTH PARTIES. His decision was not "bought and paid for" by anyone. The Markling report is not official and was bought and paid for by only one party, the 3 members of the school board. When it comes to reports like these I always remember what a lawyer once told me "He whose bread I eat, is who's story I tell." Oh and BTW since you agree that the Markling report is not objective and is biased how do you think it could possibly be used as a basis for any accusations? Shouldn't a report of such a nature review the evidence in an unbiased and objective nature to be of any use for advising on further actions or making of accusations?

Huron_1969

Both documents are a joke.... and you embrace one of them

nobodyfromnowhere

I embrace the Official one returned by the neutral party. You didn't answer my questions.

nobodyfromnowhere

Still waiting...

nobodyfromnowhere

To answer your last question it absolutely could have and should have!!

wiredmama222

@concerned citizen....had your BOE handled their concerns with Mr. Fox in a proper manner from day one, NONE of this would have happened. But certain members of your BOE let their emotions get the better of them and control their common sense, their thinking and their control to do what they knew was right. Some of them were out to embarrass the man and that is exactly what they did. Had they done what they should have done, NONE of this would have happened. Instead, they have caused an embarrassing situation to go viral and opened themselves up to a potentially huge lawsuit that could cost your school thousands upon thousands of dollars. I pray that they will settle this matter quickly and quietly, move on and simply qualsh this matter with a little noise as they can. Enough shame has been mustered as it is. The kids, heaven knows, should be coming first. Not the adults acting like a bunch of nuts.

Still Sold

Next it will be Fred Fox's Mom's fault for having him.

Fred Fox has been exhonerated.
The Huron Board of Education knew better than to fight this thing out in public again. The 3 Stooges fully plan not to put Fred Fox back to work, but did not have the other report, yet, hoping it will back up their decision.

So.. If/When the report comes back, once again, exhonerating Fred Fox.. What will we have to talk about then ?

Sit n Spin

Nothing...and I may shed a tear or two ! Who will I get to banter with on a daily basis ? But....and it's a big BUT :) What if the OEC does rule in favor of the board ? Our bantering can continue, atleast for a little while !

Still Sold

No doubt, Spinner.

I'm going to miss you, 1969 and TDN among others. But it is going to be a great day when we have nothing to talk about.

Sit n Spin

Sad but true...I'm ready for it to come to an end also, one way or another.

Still Sold

I don't know if you'll see this Spinner, but Huron Cement NEVER deals directly with the school district. They actually always have a 'middle man' contractor who buys their products.

If Tim Sowecke even put his ACE in his wife's name the school district still couldn't deal directly with ACE.

If I was SOWecke I'd say take this seat and shove it. Look what it is doing to him personally and fiscally.

I don't think people invision that getting a seat on a board could actually harm their business. This 'law' is harmful to board member's businesses. That's why most people who run are retired from something or another. Conflict of interest is too broad of a term. It's in place so that people who own ACE's, or any other business, can't get a seat on the board and then force the district to buy from them. I understand it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

UgtaBkdnMe

Public record and it was FREE MAN !

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gaschen, Dane
Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:51 PM
Subject: Ethics Concerns and Course of Dealing Exception [BRICKER-WS.FID191447]
To: michael_weis@huron-city.k12.oh.us

Mike,
In response to Ms. Catri’s questions from this morning. The one statute at issue is R.C. 2921.42. In terms of whether the course of dealing exception applies, as noted in Ethics Opinion 90-003 (copy sent separately this morning) on page 4 it notes that if any material changes are made in the agreement between the parties the sales would not fall within the exemption because such changes alter the original understanding between the parties. Separately, in Ethics Opinion 90-005 (copy sent separately this morning) the Ethics Commission stated that each individual sale was a separate transaction and thus prevented the continuing course of dealing exception from applying. This would appear to be particularly applicable to your situation with the hardware store. Additionally, I have attached three other Ethics Opinions that addressed the exception in 2921.42. All of these would show that each contract that Mr. Caporini is involved in would need to be considered separately and does not constitute a continuing course of action. Further, there is an additional statute (attached) R.C. 3313.33 which prohibits a board member from having directly or indirectly any pecuniary interest in any contract of the board. So, even if you could get past the ethical considerations, R.C. 3313.33 prevents board members from having a pecuniary interest –directly or indirectly – in any contract entered into by the Board.
I hope this is helpful. Please let me know if you need anything additional.
-Dane

UgtaBkdnMe

Did you catch the "INDIRECTLY" part ?

UgtaBkdnMe

Sorry Sold ! Ms. Catri shared her documents with folks last night and guess what....................she had a stack of payments made out to Huron Cement about 2 inches thick and some were for $3,000 and $5,000. You'd better check with the treasurer before you run you mouth. Hey, they're FREE MAN !

Still Sold

Don't want you to think I missed this, Ugtta.

We are in total agreement about this: Everyone needs to be legal !

No exceptions.

I will bet one thing: Huron Cement will be able to show that they charged no more than cost on any invoice. It's just a hunch, but I am betting on Huron Cement's bookkeeper !

Honestly, Huron Cement gives a lot to the Huron City Schools.
(But.. That gives them no right to make a profit on the Huron City Schools because of this antiquated law)

nobodyfromnowhere

No matter which way the OEC rules we will all be talking for a long time. This is not going away anytime soon. This has a minimum of at least another 6 months in it, but I'd guess we will be talking bout this in 2014.

berlinrdgang

After reading more of the pages and some discussion with friends and family, I actually believe that the school board has just reasons to fire Mr Fox, but lacked the evidence needed to do so. In turn I believe they went on a witch hunt looking for any evidence and/or reason to fire Mr Fox.

This is a debacle at best and the school board should of waited for more evidence or held a meeting with Mr Fox to discuss his actions and documented it all for the future.
I believe there is corruption here in Huron and Mr Fox may be the ring leader, but the school board, with bad advice , made some very harsh decisions that may take our school system along time to recover from....

I will tell you this, even with kids in the system for at least another 6 years, I will be hard pressed to ever vote for another levy with these clowns running the show...

Isn't It Obvious

After following this Fiasco from a distance (it's better than anything on TV, I don't live in your community and haven't taken sides; just observed) the plot kept twisting & turning into a real mystery of who-done-it with so many flawed characters that it really ought to be made into a movie. But I digress. I was woken from a sound sleep last night at 2a.m. by my eureka moment after tuning in to the lastest episode. Facts state that it all began when Tanny Von... started complaining about her boss. Skip the middle of this convoluted story to arrive at what happened last night. Tanny spoke to try to explain her words were misunderstood... or did she? or was it her first public appearance to politic for her boss's old job? All those yellow shirts worn in support makes you think. Man, you'd think there'd be an easier way to apply for the job. But thanks for the entertainment. Sad for your district that it cost so much and they're not even getting any royalties in return.

Justme...

She didn't say her words were mistunderstood. She said the report didn't accurately reflect her testimony. You've got it all in front of you: Read her testimony and read the ODE report and decide for yourself. All your questions are answered.

Justme...

She didn't say her words were mistunderstood. She said the report didn't accurately reflect her testimony. You've got it all in front of you: Read her testimony and read the ODE report and decide for yourself. All your questions are answered.

Still Sold

Now that you mention it..
It is pretty obvious.

And Tanny is the instramental piece in this puzzle.

Huron_1969

That's a really cheap shot that I didn't think you were capable of.... lower the bar some more

Still Sold

Listen 69..
I didn't mean it in a bad way. This is all about politics and Tanny obviously knows how to play them. I think she will be a great superintendent some day. Just not today.

Julie R.

RE: Isn't It Obvious: Your comment that this all started because of Tanny VonThron shows your ignorance of the situation. That lady is by far the best thing that ever happened to the Huron schools.

Still Sold

Julie R-
That's like the first time you ever stayed on topic.. APPLAUSE !!!

Tanny's great, but as I stated earlier: This girl is really good at the game of politics. She has no fault in this, but has everything to gain from it. Watch her go !

Julie R.

@ Still Sold: Better not tempt me with your applause. As you know, when it comes to certain other Huronites, I can go off topic real quick! (chuckle-chuckle)

Still Sold

lol

Informed

RV, while Nelson was in the paper, he wasn't ever accused of any wrongdoing. The responsibility fell with Fox to not accept the gifts. Nelson was never accused of anything. And I don't recall ever seeing anything negative about his family.

nobodyfromnowhere

Informed you are incorrect. In the Markling report and ODE hearing the District accused Fox of ethics violation of ORC 102.3 D&E. And they stated that those gifts were given by Nelson. If you accuse somebody of violation of 102.03D&E then you accuse the gift giver of violation of ORC 102.03F which states "No person shall promise or give to a public official or employee anything of value that is of such a character as to manifest a substantial and improper influence upon the public official or employee with respect to that person’s duties." You can't have one without the other. That being said I can't see how the District has come even close to meeting the "manifest a substantial and improper influence" burden.

Still Sold

Informed-
There's a blurry line between calling someone a vendor and calling someone a co-defendent in this case. They owe Todd Nelson an apology as he has done nothing wrong, but he and his company have been totally drug through the mud.

Darkhorse

Fox should never have gotten near that thing with Kalarhari, just the appearance of it makes you wonder where the common sense was at the time they did it. Wow! I don't think OEC is going to let him off so easily. That is serious, serious stuff. Both those guys should have known enough to distance themselves from anything looking like a conflict of interest.

nobodyfromnowhere

Fox got near Kalihari and the school district got $500,000 and was probably going to get even more. They didn't seem to mind then. As I said above there has to be proof that the gift "...manifest a substantial and improper influence..." The District is far from meeting that burden. Heck they can't even say what the value of the alleged discount was because their investigator didn't bother to try and find out.

Huron_1969

Comparison of 2 leaders who had admirable careers, then faltered in similar ways, yet the results are vastly different from each other

General Petraeus and Fred Fox follow similar paths rising in their respective careers, and then make a big mistake. Coincidently enough, it is their own words provided in emails that prove to be the hard evidence. Both men are publicly exposed before a trial takes place.

One man decides to be accountable for his actions and puts his fellow citizens first by admitting his mistakes and resigns his position ending his career.

The other man puts himself first and fights to the bitter end while attempting to find escape goats in any shape or form. His attempts to blame others spills out onto his fellow citizens and creates a great divide.

I do not personally know General Petraeus, but I do respect the man because he admitted his mistakes and held himself accountable. He put his fellow citizens before himself.

I have known Fred Fox for more than 40 years and respected him until this fiasco happened. He has taken the opposite direction and has put himself first and has not taken accountability for his own actions. I no longer have a shred of respect for this man.

We are all human and we all make mistakes. How we handle our mistakes is the true measure of a man or women.

Still Sold

Very well written 69.

The difference is Fred Fox is guilty of NOTHING !
As hard as they try this board can pin NOTHING on him.
I don't know why that is so hard to grasp ?

Huron_1969

Sold, you can deflect all you like, but many of us can read and have come to our own position on this.

got.integrity

AMEN!!!

UgtaBkdnMe

Agree with you 1969 !

RV

Informed....it was being taken that Nelson gave the "free" goods to get tax abatements for the Kalahari expansion that was just completed. The school has to help approve the abatements. So now you see the conflict. But when you talk about Kalahari...you are also talking about his family as they are involved in the running of the Kalahari's. Nelson is a fantastic person and I do not think he did any wrong.

Still Sold

RV-
Kalahari is not a vendor and Fred Fox has taken nothing from Kalahari even if he could affect the abatement(s).

The treasurer is more involved in abatements than the superintendent is. The board approves abatements. Kalahari is the number one highest tax payer to the Huron City Schools. Isn't it great to see who the number one highest taxpayer to the Huron City Schools thinks is to blame here ?

nobodyfromnowhere

When the abatement came up for the expansion Fox completely recused himself. The responsibility was given to the Treasurer who is not in Fox's chain of command, he is hired, fired, and supervised by the board. The treasurer advised the board, who voted to approve the abatement (as did every other governmental unit involved), which was negotiated by the county. Since Fox recused himself there can be no undue influence.

Sit n Spin

How do you know he 100% recused himself during the abatement process ??? Exactly, you don't...These two coulda met at The Sandbar for a cold one (among other things) to discuss the abatement.

nobodyfromnowhere

I believe it was in the Board minutes and sworn testimony. Here's the catch Sit: Prove that he didn't. If you can't PROVE he didn't then the burden of proof, which lies with the District, has not been met. The Board failed to do so.

Sit n Spin

I can't prove it...and you can't prove to me that it didn't happen behind closed doors either. You are the know it all that claims Freddie "completely" recused himself from the abatement process. Board minutes, please....and as for the sworn testimony they both have been caught in lies before so what's another one even if it is under oath. I'm sure he took an oath when he got married to his little princess and you see how serious he took that !

Still Sold

Prediction:
(After looking into my crystal ball that I purchased in the Kalahari gift shop)

The State of Ohio will also find in favor of Fred Fox being reinstated.

The Huron Board of Education will still vote 3-2 to terminate Fred Fox.

Fred Fox will sue the Huron Board of Education for every dollar he would have made in his career, up to his retirement X 5. (10 million dollars for those of you who are mathmatically challenged)

Fred Fox will settle for 2 million dollars.
(1/2 million from the board's insurance company)

Fred Fox will sue Tim SOWecke for his part in making the Markling report public.

Fred Fox will settle for another 2 million dollars.

Huron's ACE hardware will be sold to the highest bidder.

By voting to terminate him the Huron Board of Education will actually be giving Fred Fox a winning lottery ticket.

(For those of you who thought this was interesting before, just wait until it all comes down !)

Huron_1969

I think I saw the same crystal ball on the counter with the clearance sale ... the one that was marked "Cracked"

Still Sold

We'll see 69..

I think this will be filed under: SAD BUT TRUE

wiredmama222

@still sold.....I do believe you are right about your predictions on this crystal ball.....right down the line with one exception...the insurance company will refuse to pay the bill for this because the board failed to do what was right on the contract. Failure to follow rules on contracts in a known breach and most insurance companies will not cover known breaches.

UgtaBkdnMe

LMBO !

Still Sold

Oops.. The crystal ball's still talking:

Tanny Von Thron will not be the next superintendent of Huron. The position will go to someone past retirement age who doesn't care about anything but padding their retirement. The district will go through the motions until the person ACTUALLY retires with Huron's money and THEN.. Tanny will be the miracle worker as the superintendent of Huron !

Justme...

Did you read her testimony? If so, do you think she is lying when she says she has no aspirations to be a superintendent?

nobodyfromnowhere

I believe Von Thron may be a Superintendent but never in Huron. Her name, rightly or wrongly, is way too ingrained with this fiasco. To make her Huron's Superintendent would just be way to divisive. Huron's next couple of Supers will need to come from not only outside the district but outside the area. They will also need to have experience dealing with districts having come through similar situations and facing similar challenges. There are few of these people and they will come with a premium price tag.

Justme...

Did YOU read her testimony?

nobodyfromnowhere

Yes I did, but people's aspirations change. Do I think she made her complaint to set herself up for the Supers. job, no I do not. Do I think she was lying when she testified that she has no aspirations for to be Superintendent, no I do not.

RV

Still...Correct on the board issue....but the Superintendent may have some pull with the board. Would Kalahari given the $500,000 towards the field if they didn't get the abatement? No one will know for sure. From the State of Ohio point of view, there was possible inappropriate behavior with the free offerings from Nelson. But Nelson is that way with many, many people. A free overnight stay is considered taking something for free. Need more explanation?

nobodyfromnowhere

Yes, evidence of a substantial and improper influence.

nobodyfromnowhere

Still waiting

Still Sold

Apparently you cannot read RV..

As long as it's not out of the ordinary you can take what they give. The stadium is NOT under any investigation and neither is anything that Todd Nelson SOLD to Fred Fox. It's all in black and white for those of you, (RV), who didn't already read it.

got.integrity

I find it amazing that Fred's "mentee" was bumped from building principal to teacher after this fiasco but Fred and his friends still feel he did nothing wrong. Obviously HER board had enough evidence to take action and she was smart enough to be quiet. (hence she is still getting a paycheck) Yet the misguided friends of Fred feel our board does not have enough evidence. This proves, yet again, that Fred & the good humor doper believe they do not have to live by the same standards as the rest of us.

nobodyfromnowhere

By "misguided friends of Fred" you must be referring to the Ohio Department of Education since they are the ones who said the board did not have a preponderance of the evidence to prove ANY of their accusations or sub-accusations let alone whether they rose to the level of good and just cause.

underthebridge

sounds like Huron School District performed well IN SPITE OF Fox and not because of Fox.

Sit n Spin

You are correct ! The District performed well because there are damn good teachers in the system and parents within this community that are actually parents to their children ! NOT because Freddie !

Huron_1969

Spot on!

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