UPDATE: State referee says Fred Fox should be reinstated with full pay

Read the referee's report here from a state department of education hearing officer who delivered a 53-page report this morning that appears to exonerate fired Huron Schools superintendent Fred Fox.
Alissa Widman Neese
Mar 11, 2013

 

Click here to read the referee's report.

The Huron school board wrongfully fired superintendent Fred Fox, according to an Ohio Department of Education hearing officer.

Board members received a report Monday recommending they reinstate Fox with full back pay, a move that could cost the district $100,000 or more if approved.

School officials refused to release the report, contending it was not a public record, but Fox's attorney, Patrick Murray, provided the Register a copy.

In the 53-page report, state hearing officer Harry Taich said the school board failed to provide "substantial, reliable and probative evidence" to terminate Fox last year.

"In my opinion, after hearing all of the testimony in this matter, it was quite apparent to this referee that personal feelings appeared to replace sound judgment," Taich stated in the report.

In June, the board voted 3-2 to fire Fox for his alleged misdeeds, including an improper business relationship with a district vendor, improperly seeking reimbursements for a trip to Arizona and an extramarital affair on school time.

The board contended the behavior was detrimental to Huron Schools, but Taich said this wasn't the case.

"The district failed to establish by credible evidence that Mr. Fox's inappropriate relationship with the other school district principal hampered his effectiveness as a superintendent," the report stated. "On the contrary, the overwhelming evidence did establish that the district has thrived under his leadership."

The board is expected to take action on Fox's termination at its monthly meeting next week. An executive session to review the state's recommendation is scheduled for 10 a.m. Saturday, with no action planned until the regular board meeting three days later.

Board members Kevin Asher and John Caporini, who voted against Fox's firing, said at last month's meeting they would vote in favor of the state's recommendation — no matter what it said.

After reading Taich's report, Asher said he hopes the entire board will do the same and "move on." He encouraged community members to attend Tuesday's meeting to voice their opinions on the matter.

"We have budget issues, negotiations with our classified staff union and more important things to be worrying about than this nonsense," Asher said. "This has taken a year away from us doing the job we were elected to do. We need to get back to the business of this school."

Board president Scott Slocum and board member Tim Sowecke did not return calls seeking comment Monday.

Register reporter Jessica Cuffman contributed to this story.

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What: Huron school board meeting

When: 7:30 p.m. Tuesday, March 19

Where: Shawnee Elementary School cafeteria

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Fox timeline

•February 2012 — Board meets with attorney Matt Markling to discuss allegations made against superintendent Fred Fox, including an improper business relationship with a district vendor, improperly sought reimbursements for a trip to Arizona and an extramarital affair on school time.

•May — Markling delivers 50-page report to board.

•June 19 — Board suspends Fred Fox and votes to start termination proceedings against him.

•June 20 — Markling report is released as a public record.

•June 28 — Board member Kevin Asher files lawsuit to keep board from paying Markling bill.

•Sept. 6 — Fox's attorney, Patrick Murray, answers 23 allegations against Fox that the board says warrants his termination.

•Sept. 12 — Fox files a lawsuit against board member Tim Sowecke, alleging defamation and libel and demanding more than $2.5 million in damages.

•January 2013 — Fox's closed-door termination hearings end.

•Feb. 13 — Asher's lawsuit is dismissed.

•Feb. 18 — Board approves paying full amount of $90,000 Markling bill.

•March 11 — Ohio Department of Education's hearing officer recommends reinstating Fox with full back pay.

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Comments

Justme...

I am not complaining about the district or the community. I believe we have a lot of great teachers and administrators. And I'm not disgruntled but I was disappointed with the sneaky way those raises were given before the new board got in, after he bragged about the pay freeze, only to get back what he lost, and then some. That's not a freeze, its just a delay in pay you will eventually get. I certainly don't think any of this has anything to do with me. I believe the ODE got it wrong but I also know my opinion is meaningless.

Still Sold

It's not that your opinion is meaningless, JustYou..

The ODE's opinion is the only one that really counts. Impartial. That should mean something. The ODE didn't have a horse in this race.

I do know one thing: There is never a good time for administrator raises. Unless, of course, you are one of them.

I really have no reason to think what you have stated is not true. I am, however, sure that the raises were not done with malice intended.

Silvia

Not being negative at all just stating the truth. As you would say why dont you call up at the BOE and ask Mr Weis for all the documents they are public knowledge.

UgtaBkdnMe

Don't do that !!!!! If you ask for a public record, they leak it to Sold and then he plasters it on the blog. He's got friends in low places !

Still Sold

At this moment, Silvia, JustYOU and even you, 1969..

I didn't bring it up, nor am I really all that interested. All Huron City Schools employees have received raises and the children/students have been educated. Congratulations Huron Wins ! Obviously, no one patted you on the back enough. You feel so slighted.

Soon enough there will only be stories about the Huron Board of Education to post on. See you all there !

Is it Silvia Sowecke ?

srblogger

hey still stupid. LISTEN closely the last LEVY passage the teachers took a FREEZE did not get a raise that year!

Still Sold

Oh..
And there will be that one story about the sign that says:
Huron Memorial Stadium..

(It will probably be in the Journal first !)

I really can't wait to see someone new on the HOT SEAT !

Huron_1969

Suggestion.... for your next screen name, try "Sold Out"
It will be the only one you'll ever need

Still Sold

Now 69..
You of all these people know that Sold.. Didn't sell out. No matter what.

And I won't.

But.. I am growing tired of the negativity. If someone would like to take over for me I will Sell you my name and you can call yourself, Sold.

Believe me 1969.. It's all celebration over here. Well, except for the reality of what this all cost. No one could celebrate that.

Still Sold

Nice Sandusky Register pretender..
You know it's people like yourself who decided to go after Fred Fox. What exactly did you, or your kind accomplish besides completely ruining your credibility.

Now old Stupid Still Sold.. That guy predicted exactly what was going to happen.. And because you do not approve of THE RESULTS now it's come to name calling. Funny..

You continue to show your true colors Sowecke.

srblogger

simple yes or no. did the teachers take a pay freeze during the last levy? and did fred fox get a raise. all i am asking still?

Still Sold

No SR..
I've continued in the same direction which is that no one is really a winner here.

You can't seem to grasp it.

It's the same direction I've been headed in a year. Maybe you haven't been following along, or maybe it's just too complicated for you to see ?

Simplified: 3 Stooges really screwed up this time. Nice work !

srblogger

yes the teachers did take a pay freeze at the last levy passage a few years ago. so you my friend are wrong

Still Sold

No SR..
I never said that it did not happen. I said I can not be sure it happened. Because YOU said it, I have to believe it ?

Forgive me for not giving you an immediate nod as the people you have lined up with belong in a line up.

srblogger

would you like me to post that information for you to see, then post the information where the levy passes and fox takes a pay raise. pushed all these threats, then does that sh-t! seriously. cant be trusted!

Still Sold

I think someone else already answered your question: Call the treasurer.

It's really not the issue at the moment, but I for one will be glad to hear the factual information.. Now on to other things..

Did I tell you Fred Fox was exonerated and that now the Huron Board of Education is going to have to answer for their frivelous accusations ?

Change your name to: Lorain Journal and then maybe you'll have the answers, too !

UgtaBkdnMe

Sure, have them call the treasurer so the treasurer can then call you. Way to go, Sold !

TigerDad

But what does any of this have to do with Fred's connection to Gary Majestic?

Still Sold

Please SR.. Post the info !

BTW.. Did you read above that Fred Fox was exonerated ?

Give peace a chance.

srblogger

i will get that info for you. and yes i did read that. but he's exhausted trust thru his past actions. dont care what a lawyer thinks. that entire 53 page report has alot of "in my opinons in it" exactly that HIS Opinon! not mine. nor many others.

Still Sold

It's ok, SR.
Never do we all agree with everyone on everything.
I'm entirely with you on that.

At this point 'our' opinions do not count in this issue like the referee's opinion does. But.. When it comes to Fred Fox, or anything else that has to do with the Huron City Schools, all we can do is elect a board of education that reflects our views and our opinions. The other thing we can do is volunteer, or run for the board and get involved.

Obviously the system could use some 'new' leadership !

Justme...

If the community wants this board to continue the fight the community can certainly get this board to continue the fight. In that sense, the opinions of the community are more important than the referee.

srblogger

does that referee vote for Board members or levies? dont think he does! our opinions hold a higher value!

Still Sold

While I'm philosofically in agreement with both SR and JustMe..
We 'invited' this referee into our business.

And now his opinion counts.

srblogger

don't think for a second you'd be walking this same path of IN HIS OPINION A termination was necessary!

UgtaBkdnMe

Only if 3 of the 5 board members agree that it counts. It's nonbinding, remember ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Not my opinion, either.

3M TA3

I still think Mr McN owes Fred a beating.

Tsu Dho Nimh

True!

partyboy

3M-I agree, bet Murray won't get him out of that one. You accept certain risks when you behave that way and a trip to the woodshed is sometimes the end result.

Informed

So, in other words, if others commit the same wrong-doing as you (using district email for personal use), you can get away with it. Sorry, but I expect more from the leader of our district. How many of those emails from other district employees involved extramarital affairs during work hours?
Sorry, but I do not agree at all with this opinion. Fox gets credit for teachers and students and parents doing their jobs but has no accountability to conduct himself in a professional manner, shown, for example, by calling teachers and staff his "underlings" in an email.
As far as the Chamber of Commerce supporting Fox, what a joke. Once again business has power over morality.

good old boy

Sounds just like our great football coach . ha ha ha ha ha ha

Darwin's choice
Darwin's choice

Had to be this guy.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K... Forever a classic moment in United States history.

good old boy

those were great, but i was hoping for somthing from sawmill parking lot !!!!!

Still Sold

I'd like to see that video, too Good Old Boy !

Darwin's choice

I'm told that the School Board has a copy of the video. Maybe time to dig a little deeper....

Silvia

You are way off Sold no relation at all actualy !! Nice try though !!

Still Sold

Just kidding you, Silvia !

Still Sold

After reading the 53 pages for the third time..

Listen folks, this man Harry, (the referee), is only going on what was presented to him during over 2000 pages of testimony.

Both sides, Fox vs Board, had their chance to present their best case. The referee not only sided with Superintendent Fox, he actually chastised the board of education for not doing the job they have been elected to do.

It's all in black and white. The referee, after listening to both sides, taking notes and then going over the transcripts again.. Could find nothing that Fred Fox actually had done wrong.

I am truly sorry that such strong feelings exist, that a portion of the board of education even thought they had a chance of making this 'witch hunt' stick.

Read the report.
(And by the way.. this report is backed up by 'testimony under oath' unlike the document that attorney Markling produced. I would say that if you formed your initial reaction to this situation from the Markling report, that maybe after reading this report you may feel slightly different.)

Huron_1969

Sold..... Markling was conducting interviews and was not legally authorized to hold them under oath. Your ability to twist and shout is endless

nobodyfromnowhere

So since they were not under oath those making statements in the interviews and Markling in authoring his report could have lied without repercussion, especially since (contrary to best practices) there are no recordings to confirm what was actually said in those interviews? Doesn't really help your argument.

Still Sold

Tell them, Nobody !
Big difference as even the SAME people who 'testified' talked to Markling and said the same things except they were censored and treated like 'sound bites' to reflect a negative towards Fred Fox.

Funny.. Under oath there was nothing negative about Fred Fox ?

Retiree

The referee that heard Fox's case is the same referee that made the decision to reinstate a superintedent in the Toledo area for unethicial behavior. After the board read his recommendation, they superintedent was fired. Just thought the Huron taxpayer would like to know that piece of information.

The "snippet" and Huron taxpayer want to know. Where is the bus that was sold for a dollar? The state is still looking to find its whereabouts. Who are the people that brought the tools back to the bus garage? Why was the bus filled up with fuel and then gone before the start of work the next day? Why is the title of the bus still in Huron. Who turned off the cameras at the bus garage? Maybe one of the so called "three stooges" should get a copy of the sheriff's report and make it public. Oh, Fox said he would handle that internally. Did anyone get fired for stealing. I assure you that the Huron teacher's did take a pay freeze to support the district. The administrated personal did give themselves a pay raise. Iam well aware of that unethicial decision. What happened to the other person in the affair? Was there a referee in that persons defense.

The above questions have merit and the Huron taxpayers have money invested.
These are all questions that people from Huron ask me. Maybe someone that knows everything could enlight the inquisitive minds of the Huron taxpayer.

There you go again

Yes, those questions do have merit and deserve answers. The more I read about the Fox debacle, the less I like it. How can the people of Huron take this sitting down? Are the good ol boys that persuasive in this town?

Tsu Dho Nimh

There you go...do you think enough people in this town will stand up and speak where it counts? There is a board meeting next Tuesday and it may be the last chance to speak.

Wald

If you're so concerned about the Huron taxpayers, then you should also be questioning the three stooges of the school board who have now cost the Huron taxpayers hundreds of thousands of wasted dollars in their vendetta. Add in the fact that Kalahari has withdrawn thousands of dollars in donations for the McCormick auditorium thanks to them, and you'll see that they are where the real problem lies, not Fox, who, it bears repeating, was exonerated by the state of Ohio.

Still Sold

Retiree..
One more time:
The bus was a decomissioned school bus no longer able to transport students. Originally it was sold to the Huron Band Parents for an equipment vehicle. When it was even too old for them it was sold again for a dollar and is now part of a deer camp in southern Ohio.

No mystery no matter how you spin it.

UgtaBkdnMe

And it had a scrap value the was more than a dollar. Whose name was on the title? If what Huron City Schools then it had to be board approved.

Silvia

So does anyone know when they will hear from the OEC ??

UgtaBkdnMe

The Journal said that Mr. Fox would receive around $99,000 in back pay if the board agreed with the recommendation. I'm thinking that he should also calculate how many hours he spent during his leave having sex so the district can reimburse him for that. After all, if we pay him to have sex when he should be working, shouldn't he be compensated while he was suspended ?

Retiree

One person is saying that Mr. Fox was "exonerated" by a referee. This person (referee) has no legal jurisdiction in determining Mr. Fox's faith. This referee is not even close to having the power of an arbitrator. I would imagine that the referee was hand picked by the defense attorney having examined his track record. The referee can only give an "opinion" that is not binding arbitration. I do not understand why anyone would agree to this type of "dog and pony show" unless someone is aware of their (referee's)pass decisions.

If individuals want to praise people on their pass records they need to look at the record as a whole. Just don't pick and choose what you feel is their accomplishments. The Huron taxpayers and teachers, who agreed to no raises, is who brought the Huron Schools out of fiscal emergency. When the Huron School's went into fiscal emergency, Mr. Fox was the superintedent and his expenditures put Huron into the fiscal emergency. Of course,he would never take the blame for that, so it all went onto the former treasures shoulders. Having been raised as a Christian, I am aware of only one person who could walk on water. Not one person mentioned on these blogs meet that criteria, as some might think.

Darwin's choice

Wow ! It really chaps your azz that Fred won! Funny thing is, everything you cite above can be said for the markling dog and pony show. And you're questions about the bus? Really? You know dam well the whole story, and your pithy comments sound like an old hen cackling. Cluck Cluck

Still Sold

Tell them, Darwin !

UgtaBkdnMe

Sounds like maybe you have the bus !

nobodyfromnowhere

Retiree did you even read the Report? On page 1 he specifically states "the two parties in this possible termination matter mutually selected me to serve as the referee in this matter pursuant to R.C Section 3319.161" Since you haven't had a quality Huron education that means both the District and Mr. Fox selected him. The section is also where the Referee's legal jurisdiction comes from. The "dog and pony show" as you referred to it is based in Ohio Revised Code Section 3319.16. This was also in the report on page 2. Obviously you haven't read the report so I don't see how you could offer an informed opinion. Kinda like Markling not even researching basic facts of the accusations he was investigating, or even attempting to interview many of the principal persons involved.

Still Sold

Obviously, many of these folks have not read the report.

It's all in black and white and pretty easy to read.

Tsu Dho Nimh

"The district failed to establish by credible evidence that Mr. Fox's inappropriate relationship with the other school district principal hampered his effectiveness as a superintendent"

I feel bad for his ex-mistress. She is involved in the same affair and Fremont schools terminate her from her administrator position and now she works as a teacher at the detention center (at least that is the position the district site lists). On the other hand, Mr. Fox has the same affair, is part of a reimbursement that does not meet the criteria of what is permissable, and possibly an ethics violation with a golf trip. What does he get...a recommendation to be reinstated with pay. Why is it that Fremont can discipline her but Huron should accept Fred's actions? I doubt he even cares about what happened to her.

Darwin's choice

And this means??????????? Fred won! Get over it. You can sling crap till the cows come home, won't change anything! But thanks for the comedy!

nobodyfromnowhere

Twice the reinbursements had been reviewed by independent parties and twice they have been ruled as permissible. The referee even stated that Fox did not claim near what he was actually entitled to. As for the golf trip there was no evidence presented of any ethics violation. None! Please tell me what the supposed violation was and what evidence there is of said violation?

There you go again

You think it is ok to carry on an affair on school e-mail and school time? We have clear evidence and a confession from Freddie. What more do you want?

nobodyfromnowhere

No, but that is not what the district had to prove. They had to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the affair adversely affected his performance as superintendent and they failed to do that. In this day of smart phones, tablets, and web based e-mail using the schools system was very amateurish. As for school time nowhere did anybody present evidence of Mr. Fox having a set work shift and truly by the nature of his job you can't. The district fail to show what exactly was work time and non-work time.

Huron_1969

First and foremost, this is about Fox.... your defense is based on looking for escape goats. Keep your cowardly twisting and turning coming.... and don't forget to keep posting big long winded speeches

Still Sold

1969-
I think you are still missing the point and I thought you were reasonable.

Fred Fox exonerated. It's simple. You already ate crow. Tell everyone they are spinning the facts, but the facts are pretty clear.

Exonerated, (and I'm not talking about the three who tried to make Fred Fox a victim).

Retiree

The people that think Mr. Fox will get his job back had better get their heads out of the sand. Start looking for another job because you will never work for the Huron Schools again. The people that think Mr. Fox can walk on water,have him try it now on the Lake Erie. You might like paying taxes so your hero can buy three of each for him and his buddies, but I do not. I did not read the report because it does not have any merit. It was a dog and pony show. You can get some homeless person from Sandusky to be a referee. Now if a judge or an arbitrator made the decision, that is binding.

I would like to know why no one does not want to address the following: the affair, busgate, fuelgate, toolgate, ticketgate, sheriff's report, and now windowgate. Being the owner of properties in Huron, and paying taxes on those properties, I am very concerned because many things are being hidden from the Huron taxpayers. If that bus was sold for a dollar and the title is still in Huron, that is theft. That is punishable by serving jail time.

If you think that a levy has any chance of ever passing in Huron again, all of the above needs to be answered. If you can find one person that would support a levy now, I'll show you twenty that will oppose it. The Huron taxpayers are tired of being taken advantage of by "white collar corruption". Engrave my words in stone.

Wald

Those sure are some sour grapes you're feasting on, Retiree! You keep mentioning your taxes in Huron, but don't seem to care one iota for all the money that has been wasted by the BOE's three stooges in their witch hunt. I wonder why that is. I mean, they have cost the Huron taxpayers hundreds of thousands already and it might climb into the millions by the time their little fiasco is finished, but you don't seem to care anything about that. And yes, the money spent in this invstigation was money wasted. You can cry all you want that it wasn't a judge or arbitrator or whatever, but the Department of Education in Ohio found no evidence to support Fox's termination. Period.

Still Sold

Wald-
You're waisting your time attempting to make Retiree and some of these other sour grapesters understand because THEY WILL NOT READ THE REPORT !

It's in very plain English.

It's as simple as you put it:

'You can cry all you want that it wasn't a judge or arbitrator or whatever, but the Department of Education in Ohio found no evidence to support Fox's termination. Period'. - Wald

nobodyfromnowhere

Unfortunately Retiree the fact that you refuse to even read the report shows that you are not only ignorant but choose to be so purposely, so obviously a conversation with you is a waste of time. You are probably correct that Fox won't work for Huron Schools again, oh wait HE STILL WORKS FOR THE HURON CITY SCHOOLS! His termination was never finalized pending the report you refuse to read. When this is over I too am confidant he will move on but it will be by his own choice and with a suitcase full of settlement money from the District.

Toolgate, fuelgate, ticketgate, windowgate, busgate, etc. I believe the affair is the only one that remotely panned out. So many accusations so little substance.

nobodyfromnowhere

Unfortunately Retiree the fact that you refuse to even read the report shows that you are not only ignorant but choose to be so purposely, so obviously a conversation with you is a waste of time. You are probably correct that Fox won't work for Huron Schools again, oh wait HE STILL WORKS FOR THE HURON CITY SCHOOLS! His termination was never finalized pending the report you refuse to read. When this is over I too am confidant he will move on but it will be by his own choice and with a suitcase full of settlement money from the District.

Toolgate, fuelgate, ticketgate, windowgate, busgate, etc. I believe the affair is the only one that remotely panned out. So many accusations so little substance.

good old boy

you old board members crack me up...

Julie R.

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nobodyfromnowhere

No 1969, this became about 3 members of the school board who abused their positions and went looking for an outside law firm to produce a report that they could then use to further their personal vendettas against the superintendent. They spent $90,000 of the tax payers money on just this extremely substandard report. When it came time to prove their allegations they failed to prove a single one. This became about those board members the minute they let their personal vendetta's become more important that the education of the children of the district. They failed to do their jobs in a a remotely professional manner, and will now cost the taxpayers alot of money that the district can ill afford to spare. The facts are the 3 members of the board have FAILED every step of the way. They failed to prove a single charge. Obviously you feel that is OK but most people will find that very troubling.

I don't have to defend anything the facts, or more importantly lack thereof do that. You how ever seem to feel the need to defend what now appears indefensible. Soon the 3 school board members will have to defend their actions to the public and very possibly in court. Keep your head buried in the sand and cry "But it was Fox all day long", luckily most of the people of Huron are smarter than that.

I won't apologize for my long posts because you can't have a substansive conversation in 2 line sound bites. But that's not what you want, is it? If you don't want to read them you don't have to.

finntwq

My question is how can Sowecke be a vendor for the Huron schools if he is a school board member.

Still Sold

He can't. He didn't like it, but he can't sell to the Huron City Schools. This whole 'vendeta' started with that reality and is spelled out in the report !

whazup

You're right, Ace can't do business with the district. Did you know that the treasurer told him he could before taking office? There is email that proves this. The reason is stopped was because Kevin Asher questioned if it was ethical after Tim Sowecke started pushing for the investigation. Actually Asher did Sowecke a favor because the treasurer gave bad advice. Brickler and Eckler verified that it would constitute an ethics violation. Here is the interesting part of the story. Huron Cement has been doing business with the board the entire time (17 YEARS) John Caporini has been sitting on the board. And what makes it better, Kevin Asher never questioned whether it was an ethics violation during the first 15 months of his term. I'm sure the timing of the question is a coincidence. I think Kevin Asher even does some work at Huron Cement because I know he has waited on me. OOOOPS! Another ethics violation. The board office has years of receipts with tens of thousands of dollars being spent and not one of the receipts I am referring to was a bid job. Did I mention that Huron Cement could only sell to the district under two circumstances: lowest bid that is consistent with bids given to other customers and if the item can't be purchased elsewhere? True story! You can request the records from the treasurer but be prepared to be warned to back off. That happens sometimes.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Wonder what the OEC would think if it got a hold of this?

whazup

I forgot to mention that Fred Fox approved 10 years of these purchases. Some are a few hunderd dollars while seveal are 3,4,5, and 6 thousand dollars at a time.

Still Sold

Whazup-
Fred Fox does NOT ok purchases. Period.

And as for Huron Cement, I think you need to know that Huron Cement only pours the concrete. I will bet you that every one of the purchases from Huron Cement were 'brokered' through a contractor.

Just a thought. You can call and ask. If this is not true then you have a legitimate gripe.

betweenlines

I believe the treasurer took blame for buying from Huron Cement. He wasn't aware of the rule forbidding it. Once he learned of it, he stopped. He was incredibly remorseful about it.

UgtaBkdnMe

I'm sure the man is just sick about his mistake !

whazup

I'm sure that's the case, it was just contractors (wink, wink). I don't want to call and ask because someone will tell you who I am. That happens, you know!

Sit n Spin

Sold said or was it HHGuy or nobodyfromnowhere....anyway it was one of his many alter ego's, you my friend must be a log in / log out savant !

"3 members of the school board who abused their positions and went looking for an outside law firm to produce a report that they could then use to further their personal vendettas against the superintendent."

What are the vendettas that these 3 board members have against Freddie ? :)

Still Sold

Spin..
There's only one me.

Hastings/Green has an ex-brother-in-law. She also signed for a sign.

SOWecke cannot vend to the schools and is a childhood friend and now related to Hastings/Green's ex-brother-in-law. (and in fact Sowecke's emails to this friend/relative were on school email and talked about what happened in executive session)

Slocum is a follower.

It's actually pretty simple and you of all people, with your intelligence, should be able to read a 53 page report and gain some knowledge from it.

Sold

Sit n Spin

I read it, I read it. In my opinion it is slanted to the other side of the spectrum as the Markling Report. Neither of the reports have much merit in my opinion. I would be more interested in reading the actual testimonies verbatum from the proceedings and draw my conclusions from that. Let's see what the OEC has to say. If they find Freddie in violation of the charges brought against him..this will get really interesting !

Who is this friend / relative you speak of SOWecke ? Enlighten me :)

Still Sold

I thought the over 2000 pages would be considered a public document, too ?

Like you, Spinner.. I would love to read this novel.

Sit n Spin

Someday, someday....I would have to get a red bull and a 6 pack to survive that novel.

You never did answer my question ;)

Who is this friend / relative you speak of SOWecke ? Enlighten me :)

UgtaBkdnMe

Gee, considering how her sister's marriage ended I bet Ms. Green is a huge fan of the coach !

good old boy

He fired the football coaches kid, remember !!!!!!!!

Still Sold

Yes, Fred Fox had to.
(And hence we have the very beginning of this debacle).

Tsu Dho Nimh

Make up your mind, SOLD. One minute Sowecke started it over not being able to do business then a few post later the football coach is responsible.

Still Sold

TDN-
Can't believe you are still here.

The original 'sin' Fred Fox committed was firing A teacher at the middle school where he was the principal.

That smoldered for years. You can read the report and see this whole episode was ignited because SOWecke was told ACE could no longer deal with the schools.

I want to remind you that everything I have said has come true, or been true.

Whether you like it or not it still has been true. You can't change to truth just because it doesn't fit your beliefs.

betweenlines

Except for the three board members resigning...

Tsu Dho Nimh

Maybe there is still some more truth to come. You know it isn't over until all voices are heard. People in this town might surprise you on Tuesday.

UgtaBkdnMe

Really ?????? Didn't know that a middle school principal can fire people. Dummy me, I thought it was the board that does that !

Retiree

There are still people out there that will still drink Jim Jones kool-aid.

UgtaBkdnMe

It goes well with Lotus flowers.

Justme...

Good question sit n spin. I get it - the referee ruled in his favor. But in my opinion the tale they tried to spin about these three and their motivation has no merit and in fact underscores the "gotcha" atmosphere that characterizes Fox and friends and got us to this point. Green apparantly reported the toolgate situation, and for that she was punished with the trumped up charge of stealing money. They obviously had nothing on Slocum, so made up something about a previous job he held. And the tired old story about Sowecki's nephew (or step nephew??) is too far in past for anyone to even care. This is what we're dealing folks, and apparantly we're stuck with it.

Still Sold

My only question is this:

Since Markling's report turned out to be bunk.. When is he going to repay the $90,000 ?

Tmm

As much as I hate to say it sold...that is a very good question.

SilentMajority

Justme....you hit the nail on the head.
I think many have forgotten that the OEC hasn't reported it's ruling yet, so those who keep spewing that Fox has been exhonerated are just providing more spin. The OEC ruling may still go very much against Fox. That is the ruling that should be followed. If it is in Fox's favor, then Sold and the others can crow (not eat crow), but if it is against Fox, then they need to eat crow!

Truth and Justice

Just thought you all may want to know this. The referee in this case, Mr. Harry Taich, of the ODE has a past performance of making 85% of his rulings in favor of the Board. Both sides had to agree on the referee and he was picked from a list. Each side had a choice in this matter and believe it or not, the Board’s attorneys knew this track record going in or they never would have agreed on Mr. Taich. So what does that tell you about the facts in this case? Also let’s end the Toolgate discussion – The Auditor of the State, The Erie County Sheriff and the Huron Police all investigated this and found no wrong doing. Go get the reports if you don’t believe. I can’t for the life of me understand why you all continue to beat this drum. And the bus, forget it. It’s a pile of rust. The best thing that happened was when it was removed from school property. Good ridden.

Finally there is a statement in the referee’s decision about the sign issue with Hastings-Green being turned over to the state auditor’s criminal division by Treasurer Weis. What is this all about? Can anyone expound on this? Is he saying that the state auditor is going to investigate Hastings-Green for some potential criminal action? And to think people are worried about an old, rusted piece of crap bus!

partyboy

TDN.....earlier you posted that Fremont terminated their administrator. How do you know that? Was that posted on the website? I think you are misinformed.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Party...I have been told that she was released from her administor position from a friend who works in Fremont. If she had tenure, they probably could not fire her from the district but could reassign her. Maybe she agreed to step down to avoid further embarassment. Does it really matter what term we use? She is no longer the principal, correct? Her job is now with the juvenile detention center. That is not typically the job of choice for teachers. I was not trying to insult her. My intent was to show how unfair this whole process is.

partyboy

TDN...Lots of teachers gravitate to the less fortunate. I heard she had choices but chose the JDC. If she stepped aside to minimize the impact on her family and her district then she showed some courage. I also took a second to look at the FCS website and saw that the building under her guidance was upgraded from an effective rating to an excellent rating this year

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sounds like she is your friend. Again, I was not trying to be mean to her. My point is Fred Fox makes lots of mistakes and the attitude is it's no big deal, it's been going one for a long time, everyone is doing it, etc. Your friend, however, makes one mistake and paid the consequences professionally whether is was her choice or the choice of Fremont schools. She should be proud of her work and her building's success. That proves my point, too. Her mistake did not impact her ability to do her job but yet she no longer has that job. Fred Fox gets praised for his leadership so who cares about what he did. Sounds like your friend has class and integrity unlike Fox.

Tmm

I'll keep my mouth shut about fox because it appears this whole thing blew up in the face of the 3 people i though were doing right but cannot keep it shut when it comes to this woman. Damn right she should have been fired or demoted for her actions with fox. I frankly cannot keep myself from snickering every time I see her out and about acting as if she is holyer than thou. The fact that her husband is still with her is laughable! Who gives a shiat about her schools rating...the teachers did that not her.

partyboy

Tmm~ all I can say you are a fool..first of all you must not know much about leadership and second you don't anything about her. If you did you wouldn't be casting judgement. You hide behind your comments..She and her husband are raising a young family and they will get through this public slashing stronger than expected. If you are so discissed with her holier than thou attitude..confront her...don't talk SHIAT about her..afraid of what you might hear. Move on Huron!!!

partyboy

Tmm~ all I can say you are a fool..first of all you must not know much about leadership and second you don't anything about her. If you did you wouldn't be casting judgement. You hide behind your comments..She and her husband are raising a young family and they will get through this public slashing stronger than expected. If you are so discissed with her holier than thou attitude..confront her...don't talk SHIAT about her..afraid of what you might hear. Move on Huron!!!

Tmm

Hey party itch..she has been confronted. Just ask her.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sounds like the principal in question is Mrs. Party Boy.

whazup

Are you saying she doesn't work at the detention center and the website is wrong? Why would she voluntarily leave her principal job to work with incarcerated kids? Sound like she lost her job to me. I bet she regrets the day she met Fred and rightfully so.

Julie R.

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Retiree

The state is still looking for that school bus that disppeared from the Huron bus garage. After the state became aware of the sale for a dollar, helecopters were use to find its location. It is still on the missing list.
Ever though the school bus was sold for a dollar, the engine, tires and steel from the bus is worth a lot of money at a scrap yard.

When the board became aware if tools missing from the bus garage. The Huron Police Chief was asked to investigate and refused. His reasons I don't know or care. The Erie County Sheriffs Dept. was asked to investigate the missing tools and the investigation came up positive. The report was given to Fred Fox and his reply to the sheriff was, "it will be handled internally". The cameras were turned off one night and most of the tools were returned. So now there is three weedtimmers, chainsaws, etc. I then heard that the tapes in the cameras has disappeared. The report is still at the sheriff's department and I hope by now it is in the hands of the school board.

Tsu Dho Nimh

But here is the real issue...did the employee's contract say he could not buy extras and take them home? Did his contract say he could not buy a bus for $1? The new standard is if your contract does not state that you cannot do it, then anything goes...lol

good old boy

i think Hoffa is burried in the bus ! Just stay retired , your boring us all !

Still Sold

hahaahhaa.. Good one !

cbj

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BooBeeDoo'

I am very happy that Fred was exhonerated he is a good guy! I just would like to say this is old news. Don't you people have anything better to do with your lives? "He who has no sins let them cast the first stone".Believe me,the Fremont principal will survive this and move on to bigger and better opportunities. She is a smart cookie. If this is the worst thing that could happen to her then she is a very lucky women. Life goes on. As for Fred, I hope that he gets his job back, but if not he also will move on to bigger and better opportunities. The Fremont principal should look into sueing Fremont City Schools for asking her to step down when she did nothing that jeapordized her position as principal. She should sue "personally" any individual (superintendent or board member who was involved in her demotion).This is my recommendation to her.

Tmm

Smart cookie. Really? A public employee screwing someone in their public office is real smart. Causing you and your family to be a laughingstock is real smart. Please sue away by all means. Good luck with that.

UgtaBkdnMe

I don't think that she could continue to be effective. Her staff, or as Freddy says "underlings", would not respect her and neither would the parents.

Retiree

Truth hurts a lot of people. I would suggest, don't read my blogs if I bore you. You have that right

Wald

Truth does hurt, doesn't it, Retiree? Truer words were never spoken. Now finish your bowl of sour grapes.

Tsu Dho Nimh

"Further, the additional alleged threat of disclosing Board member Slocum's prior work record, which work record totally supported Mr, Slocum, was made by some other individual and not by the Superintendent." How did the referee come to this conclusion? I went back and looked at Fox's suit against Sowecke and he most definitely brings up Mr. Slocum's work record. Even says that "When the circumstances become known, all will agree that Slocum is unfit to serve in any public office or in any trust capacity." Sounds like he intended to disclose something.

Justme...

TDN if that's not a threat of disclosing, I don't know what is. That report is a joke.

Wald

You want to talk about a joke, start with Markling's report!

Huron_1969

There's several jokes floating around..... Fox forevermore will be a punch line, and the vast array of alias names Sold is using, hhguy, waldo, truth in justice, boobeedoo, and my favorite, nobody from nowhere

nobodyfromnowhere

One more time for those of you in the cheap seats: I am not Sold. I do not know who he is and have never met the person. I do however agree with some of the things that he has posted.

BooBeeDoo'

Huron_1969:FYI I am not "Sold."I am not a friend of Mr. Fox or the Fremont principal.I am just looking at this as an objective legal standpoint. I think there is a double standard for men vs women. I'm sure none of you people are perfect.People make mistakes, let it go. I also feel that the Fremont principal has a case against the Fremont Board of Education and her superintendent who just happens to be a women. It is my understanding that the Fremont principal had outstanding evaluations. How could that be if she wasn't doing her job? Did someeone drop the ball? I truly believe that she has an excellent chance of winning a lawsuit. She has been dragged through the mud and that to me is disgusting!I don't know the women, but I don't feel she deserves comments like the one TMM made.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Here is another joke...Asher is a licensed attorney in Ohio. Two documented lies are enough for me to not respect the "ruling".

nobodyfromnowhere

And Asher's attorney status has what to do with the ruling from the Ohio Department of Education?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Nothing : )

partyboy

TMM-read the post

Sit n Spin

"Partyboy"...Why is it you only come out of the woodwork when the happily married raising a family adulteress is mentioned ? Maybe she shoulda been at home raising that family instead of lousing around ;) Her husband shoulda kicked her two timing shiat to the curb ! Man up !

partyboy

Why..because this is all about Fox. This public raking is disgusting. This is for(UgtaBkdnMe)... Oh I could be anyone you want...wife, husband, sister, brother, friend, aunt, uncle,cousin or the Easter Bunny...Ha Ha..don't assume who is coming out of the woodwork

UgtaBkdnMe

Happy Easter Bunny, bock bock !

Sit n Spin

Hey Sold ! How come all of your postings ended at 3:30 today ? Did you go to the game ? I saw you ! I shoulda wandered over to your section behind the bench & introduced myself. Looked as though you were with all your posse so I didn't want to impose ;)

UgtaBkdnMe

I wish we had "like" buttons !

Huron_1969

2nd that !

Still Sold

I wish I had a DELETE button..

Huron_1969

More than happy to get you one if you promise to delete your account.... Lol....

Still Sold

Sit/Spin-
You should have said hello.

All of the screen names you mentioned have one thing in common: In support of Fred Fox.

This is the only me. I had a hard enough time getting back on here as me after I posted the Journal's article. This is actually the 4th, or 5th time I have been deleted here.. lol

2700+ pages of testimony. And.. Much of the testimony is by the same people that Markling questioned. The referree even cites these people for having the 'courage' to testify. Did you notice that principal Von Throne was one of those that testified ? As scathed as she was painted to be by Markling and posters on here and then she comes to the defense of Fred Fox ?

The fact is that Fred Fox works for the Huron City Schools. Like it, or not.

If I were Fred Fox I would ask for my entire pay for my entire career plus benefits.

And I still want to know:

1) When is Markling going to pay the $90,000 back ?
2) When is Donna Hastings/Green going to pay for the sign ?
3) When is Retiree going to figure out that Toolgate is ova.. The bus is gone.. and Ticket Gate, etc.. has nothing to do with Fred Fox, but I'll bet he gets to the bottom of it when he's back to work.
4) When are the 3 Stooges stepping down ?

This inquiring mind wants to know !

Retiree

Once a thief all ways a thief.

Julie R.

You got that right!

Tsu Dho Nimh

Was it in his contract that he couldn't steal?

Retiree

Don't use my tax dollars to buy your toys

Wald

"Don't use my tax dollars to buy your toys"

Your comment is directed at the 3 BOE members, right, Retiree?

Huron_1969

looks like "Where's Waldo" is lost again.... all that spiining is probably making him dizzy

Still Sold

Wald's right, 1969.

The only wasting of tax dollars and time was done by your 3 favorite board members. Aren't you proud ?

Huron_1969

Actually, yes I am proud of them and they have my support. I hope they stay the course and remain committed to their convictions

Wald

You're proud of people who have wasted hundreds of thousands of hard-earned taxpayer dollars in a vendetta that has been ruled by a neutral arbitrator to be both frivolous and vindictive? Hmm. Well, 1969 was a long time ago. No wonder your thinking is a little muddled!

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