'Free' counsel to Huron schools turns costly

Judge dismisses suit that stalled school district's payment to attorney in Fox probe.
Jessica Cuffman
Feb 17, 2013

 

An attorney’s promise to provide 10 free hours of service has turned into a $90,000 bill for Huron Schools.  
Erie County Common Pleas Court Judge Roger Binette this week dismissed a lawsuit that had kept Huron Schools from paying attorney Matt Markling for his work on the Fred Fox investigation.  
Early last year, the board voted 3-2 to hire Markling to investigate Fox’s alleged misdeeds, including his interactions with a district vendor and an extramarital affair on school time.  
After interviewing a number of district employees, Markling issued a 50-page report that concluded the board had substantial reason to fire Fox.   
Markling had told board members his first 10 hours of work would be free, and he would send a bill for any additional work. He kept his word — he submitted a $50,000 bill in June, followed by a $10,000 bill in July, $12,000 in October, $5,300 in November and $11,400 this past week. 
The Fox fiasco has effectively divided the school board, with the majority — Donna Green, Scott Slocum and Tim Sowecke — voting in June to fire Fox. 
The other two members, Kevin Asher 
and John Caporini, voted against the firing. 
The board ultimately suspended him without pay, pending the outcome of termination proceedings overseen by the Ohio Department of Education.   
Asher, however, also filed the lawsuit to keep the school district from paying Markling, but Binette quashed those efforts this week.  
Huron Schools treasurer Mike Weis said the district is mailing a $50,000 check to Markling. The board will then have to approve, or not, the additional $40,000 in expenses, since the district’s insurance company won’t foot the bill.
State education officials have already conducted termination hearings against Fox, but a hearing officer has yet to issue a recommendation to either fire or retain Fox. The board does not have to follow the advice. 
The days of hearings, held at Sawmill Creek, were closed to the public and spaced out over a period of months.  
The hearings addressed 23 alleged wrongdoings on Fox’s part, including three major allegations: Fox had an improper business relationship with a district vendor; he improperly sought reimbursements for a trip to Arizona; and he was involved in an extramarital affair on school time.
This past week, Binette also issued a key ruling in a defamation lawsuit Fox filed against Sowecke.
Fox alleges Sowecke delivered the Markling report to the Ohio Ethics Commission to intentionally make the document a public record, thus defaming the superintendent. In court documents, Sowecke’s attorneys said any material provided to the ethics commission would have been privileged and exempt from public disclosure. As such, Sowecke would be immune from a defamation lawsuit.
While Binette seemed to agree, there are still too many unanswered questions to simply dismiss the case.  
 

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With all I've said.. I sound desperate ?

This is cut and dried.

Fred Fox will be back at work soon. And yes, Fred took his vacation. Don't you ?

And as for training the retiree so he can use it in his next 'situation' I am amazed at how you would spend our tax dollars. I am desperate to have a solid school system again. You don't seem to care about what's actually happening and prefer to blame Fred Fox for everything including 9/11. Why not listen to the truth and admit that Fred Fox did nothing wrong ?

Justme...

I'm not faulting anyone (including Fred) for their time off, as long as their contract entitles them to it. If the new super took time off that he wasn't allowed to take, per his contract, then its an issue. If you and your people are using his entitled time off to try to make a point about your man, one has nothing to do with the other. Fernbaugh is currently the superintendent, whether you like it or not. As such, he is obligated to get training to do that job. If he failed to get that training, I have no doubt certain people would be criticizing him for it and saying he doesn't care about his job. It is very transparent to a lot of poeple what is going on here.

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JustYou-
When you run a business you have a CEO. The CEO runs the company. In education he's called the superintendent. He runs the school.

What we have now is a 'hired gun' who no one else wanted because of his past. I don't see transparency in pointing out how the Huron Board of Education does business. Fernbaugh is just another example of their poor decision making.

Would you want this board running your company ?
(I hope you can see through this to get my real message.. you and your people sounds like we have a team... lol)

Tsu Dho Nimh

What has Fernbaugh done wrong? Try googling his past and what comes up repeatedly is that he does an excellent job for districts that need interim superintendents. What the ice cream man presented led to nothing because the man was not found guiltly of anything and is not currently under investigation for wrong doing. Just you is correct. ALL superintendents must participate in professional development per ODE to keep up with all of the changes that are going on. ODE does not care if the superintendent is going to be around for 3 months or 3 years. Mr. Fernbaugh does not need to be degraded in order to prove that Mr. Fox is innocent of the charges.

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Don't confuse degrading for comparing, TDN.

I am in no way questioning Fernbaugh's work ethic. I am comparing how he is being treated. You folks defending him going for training don't even know what it is he's training for.

And no, TDN.. We are paying him to lead our district. By all accounts he SHOULD know how to do that by now in his career.

This is just another case of the Huron Board of Education wasting money. There are better candidates for that school board that post on here than who is sitting on it now. I would take Retiree over Scott Slocum. At least Retiree cares if anyone is doing their jobs.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I have close friends who are administrators in 2 other districts. All administrators are going through some intense training for the many changes that are going on, especially the new evaluation system that is going into effect. It is not a matter of not knowing how to do their current job, it is all about being ready for the changes. There is no doubt in my mind that this is what Mr. Fernbaugh is attending. Again, he is the current superintendent, interim or not, and ODE expects him to be involved. If he is attending these sessions, then he should be paid for a days work.

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What if that's not what he is training for ?

What then, TDN ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

If he is at PD training, then he is working. With all of the changes going on and the new evaluation process, ALL superintendents are getting the necessary training for the move forward. ODE is mandating certain training. The fact he is 70 has nothing to do with it. I do believe Ugta is correct - he is paid per diem, not an annual salary.

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And Per Diem means he's getting paid.
This man is not going to be here.
Why is it when you folks are presented with a fact that you have to question it instead of questioning why this board is paying this retiree to train for his next 'situation' ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Again, because ODE expects all CURRENT superintendents to be trained now. How long he stays after the training does not matter.

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Fred Fox's contract calls for a yearly evaluation.
Why hasn't Fred Fox been evaluated for the last 2 years ?

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When Tim Sowecke, (with the help of attorney Markling), got the paperwork ready to give the OEC, (Ohio Education Commission), the Markling report.. He needed a witness. Donna 'Hastings' Greene signed the paperwork. She knew Sowecke was going to give the OEC the Markling report. Scott Slocum, John Caporini and Kevin Asher had no knowledge of this action.

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Food for thought..

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So..
Who doesn't want the truth printed here ?
Why would you attempt to censure what I have written ? Did it hit too close to home ?

TDN-
I am outlining a conspiracy. I really don't care if others on here believe it, but you are involved in the community and I would appreciate if you had the truth to rely on in your involvement.

Tsu Dho Nimh

???????? Seriously asking...What are you talking about?

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TDN-
Someone tried to get my account of Tim Sowecke having Ms. Donna Hastings/Greene sign as a witness in his delivery of the Markling report to the OEC deleted.

TDN-
I am not making anything up. I know what is going on. Fred Fox is the fall guy for a board that is being controlled by others. No matter what you think Fred Fox did, or did not do, he has undergone a major anal exam during this 'trial'. And.. the result of the 'trial' is that Fred Fox will be back to work and then there is going to be a purge.

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TDN-
You are by far the most intellectual person who posts here. You do your homework. My statements above are all true. They outline the conspiracy.

The Register won't write the true story.

I will continue to post the truth.

Justme...

The only "facts" are what goes on in public meetings. Everything else is just what you, and anyone else on either side, are being told. You lost your crediblity a long time ago, before the emails were published, when you insisted your buddy was involved in a professional mentor/mentee relationship. I haven't believed you since.

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Well, JustYou..
Since I am the one stating the 'facts' and actually have something to add to the 'conversation.. what is it you ever bring here ?

I do admit that at that time I believed the relationship to just be mentor/mentee. Unfortunately that was not the case, but the fact that it ended and Fred Fox made peace with his family is the only affermation I need to continue to believe in him as a superintendent. The 'affair' was none of my business, or anyone else's for that matter. It was Fred Fox's business and a group of people decided to make it all of our business.

So.. If my credibility is tarnished in your eyes, that is too bad.. When it is all said and done you will realize who told you the truth.

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And what happens in public meetings is only what they want you to see.

The REAL business is done behind closed doors and you usually don't get a chance to hear/see it.

I'm giving you a glimpse of what is REALLY going on.

I really don't care if any individual does not believe it. I have no secret agenda. Fred Fox is innocent of anything the Huron Board of Education has accused him of. Simple. Get used to hearing that.

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Someone is having my comments removed.

Apparently, what I am saying is hit a little too close to home ?

I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable to talk about who is trying to ruin a man's career and good name.

Just keep reporting them and I'll keep writing them.

The TRUTH will eventually get out in a much more public forum.

Try erasing that.

Huron_1969

You might have exceeded your allocated storage space ?

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LIKE

Retiree

I am not going to give my opinion on this blog until the final decision is made on the questional date of March 11. I respect everyone's opinion, and that's all it is, regarding what is going on in Huron. The majority of people over there are honest and good citizens that care about the community. The problem that I have discovered is, not everyone is as honest and truthful as to what they think they are. The money that is missing from the sale of tickets at sporting events and the consession stand has been going on for years. Watch out Huron, do you really know how honest your neighbor is?

Silvia

Sold, I think you are just trying to cover up what Fred did,(like Asher) and try to turn it on other people. Why dont you just let the truth prevail. Quit blowing up the blogs with all this garbage, sit back and let it unfold.

There you go again

Silvia,
I'm with you on that comment. What facts "Sold" doesn't list are the ethics of being an adminstrator or teacher. Maybe he could read a school employye's contract to know what Freddie did was ethically wrong (emails, affairs on school time, favoritism with Kalahari, whatever). Reading an employee's contract would confirm that.

whocares

It's time for a county school system. Lets save the tax payer and decrease administration costs.

Dudley Do-Right

Sold, I can't believe you are complaining about a current acting superintendent attending professional development. He is charged with running the school district so he better stay current. I am glad you are not on the board of education, your comments about being 70 would land the district in an age discrimination lawsuit.

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hahaha.. His age directly goes to the fact that no one else would take the job.. lol Dudley.. Go do right where you know something. He is charged to fill a spot.. and not for long, thank God.

Whocares-
Might have a good idea there. Of course the districts now all belong in the county district. They just have seperate control.

Silvia and There you go Somewhere Else-
Neither of you has added anything ? There is no ethics claus in Fred Fox's contract genius. And Silvia.. Don't tell me what to do.. I'm busy entertaining here.. lol

Where's Spin and Sin ?
Where we going tonight, pal ?
TDN.. 69.. You guys in ?

Sit n Spin

I was hangin with my lady friend with 2 tooths ! Once again you were a no show ! Ain't nobody got time for this :) This is like beating a dead fox....boring ! The winds of change are coming my friend, they are a comin !

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The change you speak of is probably not the change that is going to happen.

I would love to tell you what is going to happen next, but I think it will play better with no warning.

I hope 'fang' was good to you, Spinner !

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No one seems to remember the title of this article:

'Free' counsel to Huron schools turns costly

Of course the article didn't seem to follow the lead. After the appeal Attorney Markling will end up paying back the $90,000. A small 'win' for the Huron City Schools.

UgtaBkdnMe

Gee, the Morning Journel's headline was "Court dismisses Kevin Asher lawsuit against Huron school board". I think that better describes what's going on. Looks like the Lawyer Extrodinaire isn't extraordinary. It's just the beginning of the end.

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Kevin Asher filed an INJUNCTION, not a lawsuit.
There's a slight difference, genius.

It is the beginning of the end, but not Fred Fox's end.

UgtaBkdnMe

No need to get testy, I just quoted the headline. Bottom line is that Kevin's complaint, whatever you want to call it, was thrown out. If you want to read it, try 2/15/13 pC11 !

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OK..
In eleven years, Fred Fox took two paid sick days.

So far, in 6 months, Superintendent Fernbaugh has taken 7 sick days at $600 per day ($4,200 total).

You all think this is 'business as usual' ?

He should have been a contract employee and not eligible for sick days.
He is only paid when he works and shows up.

Once again.. It's not Fernbaugh's fault that he is being reimbursed $600 a day for sick days. How about him making $600 per day in the first place ?

You're all ok with this, right ?

UgtaBkdnMe

Yes, I am. If this is what it takes to settle the issue, then so be it. It's not about money, it's about the integrity of the district and to hold people accountable for their actions. I'm not convince that the board pays him for sick days. Think I will contact the treasurer's office about this.

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Please do.
Then at least you would know one thing.

UgtaBkdnMe

And if they do, oh well.

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'It's not about money, it's about the integrity of the district and to hold people accountable for their actions'.

And eventually the right people WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS !!!

Anyone condoning what this board has done has to have a whole lot of integrity. Let's throw some accusations out to the public and then let the accused attempt to answer them. You have no idea what has been testified to in the hearing. Under oathe your heros were not so heroic. You think it's ok to pay this 'retired' superintendent around at $600 and pay him to go to the Capital Conference ?

People like you are the real problem. Why don't you run for the board ? They need a few more acorns.

UgtaBkdnMe

Of course I don't know what was stated under other and neither do you ! Unless you're Mr. Fox or Mr. Murray ! Hmmmm......

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Oh well ?
Like I said: acorns

Do you make $600 a day ? A week ?

Wake up and smell what your board is cooking.

UgtaBkdnMe

What do you think Sandusky is paying Dr. Sanders ? Or what Edison paid Bill Pahl ? It's the going rate, fool ! Get over it ! BTW, I make $51.84 an hour with less education than the super so I don't think it is unreasonable. Personally, I wouldn't want his job !

UgtaBkdnMe

The head maintainance guy makes approximately $300 a day, no degrees, and has far less responsibility. The super is paid fairly.

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I know what the other supers make and that will be the basis of the settlement that Fred Fox will be offered. It will be the average of all of Erie County since Fred Fox is about the lowest paid.

Fernbaugh held this moronic board hostage because no one else would take the job. No one wants to work for this board.

I do know what the 'under oath' testimony was. I have eyes and ears everywhere. I listen.. Even to you when you inflate your minimum wage salary.. lol.. $51.84 an hour. Who do you think you are ? John Caporini ? Pat Murray ?

You Gotta Be Kidding Me is a fitting name for you ! No one in their right mind would be okay with Fernbaugh making $600 a day.

I just got an email about Fernbaugh. Here is the list it included and I am just printing/posting it so don't shoot the messenger you people who find nothing wrong with the crazy way this 3-2 board does business:

1) He was FIRED by OSBA, (Ohio School Board's Association), for hostile work environment and among other things. Current Board did not do background checks, interviews at old districts, proper due diligence.

2) Counter sued the 2 complaints in Common Pleas Court and lost in summary judgements.

3) This was In Franklin County. You can look up records on line.

4) He gets $567 per day plus expenses. Annualized that is about $140000 a year.

5) His 'in the office' work day is 9 to 3:30. He considers his one hour travel time from Bowling Green to Huron to be within the 8 hr work day. We wouldn't want a superintendent that WANTED to live in our school district.

6) As a DEPUTY superintendent, he is NOT REQUIRED to attend personal developement sessions. The three stooges just need to say no.

7) During his 'career' here, he has been on extended vacations to Florida, California and Las Vegas.

8) He has missed about 7 days for Dr. Appts. He is very rarely in office.

9) He is 72 years old not 70.

Ok Tim Sowecke minions.. This is all factual information and my goal is to inform you, not in comparison to Fred Fox, but as just another example of the job the current 3-2 Huron Board of Education is doing. You're just fine with paying part time employees full time wages ? You're okay with Fernbaugh's sketchy past ? You don't mind paying more for your 'deputy superintendent' than you did for you 'real' superintendent ?

Anyone who can approve of the actions of the current Huron Board of Education is totally delusional and belongs somewhere that they can't hurt anyone.

UgtaBkdnMe

You're right, I don't really care about anything you have mentioned. It's all your opinion and nothing more. I don't care who you know and what they shared with you, it's just their perspective and take on what was said. I do believe that the people present for the entire hearing would be the defendent, his attorney, the reps from the dept. of ed., the "judge", and ONE school board representative. Your info came from either the defendent or his attorney, which doesn't hold any credibility with me.

Check the going rate for INTERIM superintendents and you will see that $140,000 is typical. As for my wages, no inflation there. I have a specific skill with specialized training. An electrician for the UAW earns $35 - $40 an hour so why would it be unreasonable for someone like me to make a pretty penny? What does an engineer or accountant for Ford make?

UgtaBkdnMe

According to the board office, he is not paid for vacation or personal days so be grateful that he is saving us money. At least he isn't taking vacation days on the sly or getting the board to finance it through the back door !

Huron_1969

Bottom line, Fred Fox's actions led to all this

Sold, before you retaliate with your opinions, it would be great to let me speak mine without being over typed

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You can dismiss any portion of what I have presented to you, but in the end the facts will come out and you will see that I have been truthful all along. The truth is going to hurt as it is applied to the 3 Stooges.

The going rate for 72 year old superintendents who work part time is retirement. Like I said: Anyone who thinks this is 'business as usual' needs to check their priorities.

Fred Fox is ACCUSED of many things. ACCUSED being the key word. You have tried and convicted this innocent man, yet as this board continues to throw away money you are all good with that.

Sorry Mrs. Sowecke/Legando/Hastings.. The craft you're building will never fly.

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Type away 1969..

And Kidding Me.. Now you have at least stated ONE fact.. Wow.. They should throw you a parade !

UgtaBkdnMe

Ah, so we agree that Fred 'stole' 2 vacation days and 3 board members approved the expenses. You've come a long way, baby !

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No Kidding You-
We agree that Fernbaugh doesn't get paid for his personal days.

Hey.. The record search was FREE MAN !

UgtaBkdnMe

Of course public records are free, fool ! You didn't really think there was a charge did you ? As excited as you get over something being free, I would think you were an accountant.

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I always get a kick out of you acorns referring to what I post as opinions.

NO.. What you post is opinions.

I post facts. I don't care if you like them, but eventually you will need to accept them. No one else brings the facts here except TDN and now Kidding Me found one.

My opinion is that the whole board should resign and we should start over.
Now.. You have an opinion.

trackme

HEY SOLD you gave yourself away in one of your silly statements mr. lighthouse, pied piper aka Chris wechter

Justme...

Sold you say you are posting "facts" that no one is supposed to be talking about. Doesn't that make you question the integrity of those who's side you are on?? And on top of which, they apparantly want you spilling this information, or they wouldn't keep feeding you. But remember, they are only telling you what they want you to know.

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Just You-
Listen.. I know all of the people involved. That is probably more than anyone else posting here can say. I know who the 'good' guys are. I know who the 'bad' guys are.

You have obviously picked the dark side. In the end there will be few winners in this situation, but at least there will be the clearing of a good man's name and an expos'e on the bad people. I want them to feel like Fred Fox has over the last year. I want people to see the truth and take it out on this band of 3 bad people. They caused this and they SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE !

You all want to say Fred Fox did this and Fred Fox did that, but ALL of your information is from a tainted source. Even the Register called the Markling report bogus. What part are you all missing ? If the Markling report is bogus and was leaked in order to defame Fred Fox, who is the victim here ?

I pick Fred Fox's side. I would rather be on the side of good than except what evil is promoting.

Dudley Do-Right

No opinions here .... facts from public information thru Buckeye Institute and Salary.com

These jobs don't require a master's degree. Some require a bachelor's degree, some require no degree.

Salary Days/Year Daily Pay Hrs/Day Hourly Rate

Engineer $84,473.00 260 $324.90 8 $40.61

Accountant $62,026.00 260 $238.56 8 $29.82

Sheriff $92,155.00 260 $354.44 8 $44.31

Huron Maint Supervisor $70,408.00 260 $270.80 8 $33.85

Huron Treasurer $94,125.00 260 $362.02 8 $45.25

Huron Postmaster $83,017.00 260 $319.30 8 $39.91

Huron PostCarrier $54,619.00 260 $210.07 8 $26.26

Huron Teacher $64,705.00 184 $351.66 7 $50.24

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Nice work, DUDley !
I think the teacher's salary may require a masters in order to be at that scale, but I can't say that as a fact..

But.. I could do a RECORDS SEARCH through the Huron City School's treasurer's office because that is FREE MAN..

Anyone here doing a records search that was FREE MAN would know that the figures I quoted on Fernbaugh's salary were low.

You got that ? It's FREE MAN !

And.. Did you get his 'sick days' that he brought from other districts ? Another $5,000 that our school system will end up paying for.

1969.. I'm supposed to blame Fred Fox for this mess because Tim Sowecke made confidential documents a matter of public record or none of you acorns would have even known what Fred Fox ALLEDGIDLY did. Nope.. I blame Tim Sowecke and so will the court.

You folks don't know where I get my info and you have no idea who I am. I don't know why it all matters to you ? Why do you think I'm like 6' 5" and own a dairy queen ? I'm not Chris. Bet on it. I am much more hooked up than Chris. You don't know. Maybe I am so deep that I get my info from the Sowecke family ? They obviously like to share ?

Huron_1969

May not know for sure who you are in real life, but I have a pretty good guess

Given the way you have stuck by your man and can manipulate things.... I'm thinking you are Hillary Clinton

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hahaaha.. ha..
1969 that was a good one !

UgtaBkdnMe

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Tsu Dho Nimh

Okay Sold, we get it. Public records are free. You sound like a a hippie stuck in the 70s. I am starting to seriously worry about you.

UgtaBkdnMe

You're not that bright, Sold. We know where you get your information. Your behind closed doors information comes from one of three sources: Asher, Caporini, and Weis. Probably all three. They are the only ones tied to Fox. None of you are the brightest or sharpest crayons in the box.

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Fred Fox, Tim Sowecke and Donna Greene walked into a bar..
There was a monkey sitting on one of the stools..
Donna Greene said:_______________________

UgtaBkdnMe

Donna said "Fred, shouldn't you go join your friends Kevin, John and Nancy? You guys would make a cute quartet for an organ grinder."

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Lest we forget what this 'thread' was about:

'An attorney’s promise to provide 10 free hours of service has turned into a $90,000 bill for Huron Schools'. - Sandusky Register

Bland

Sold, I hope your cousin is doing well.

I don't have much of an opinion either way in this situation. I must say though that I admire your friendship with Fox. You stick up for your man through thick and thin.

Before I take a side, I have one question for you. What did Fox do wrong? Please don't give me any of the above stuff about "Markling Reports" or "Leaked records." I simply want to know what Fox did wrong.

I will say that if you say "nothing" then I will be forced to disbelieve everything you have typed. I want an honest answer. I will value and respect an honest man (or woman, since we don't know), but a fool I will not.

Thank you.

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Bland-
Honesty is the best policy.

The only thing Fred Fox did that could be considered wrong was only wrong to his family.. not the public. The public never should have known about, 'The Affair'.

Fred Fox has I believe 23 complaints to answer to. None of those complaints will stick and contrary to what the Register says above, or anything posted here.. 'The Affair' is not one of the complaints.

Use of company email for private reasons.
(No one else who works for 'the company' is asked to follow this. Why is Fred Fox ?)

Reimbursement for Arizona trip.
(Fred Fox does not reimburse himself)

Relationship with a vendor.
(Kalahari is not a vendor to the school system)

These are the three things that make up the 23 'charges'.

Now.. Having said that, if the Markling report had not been 'leaked' to us, the public, none of us would have an opinion on 'the Affair'.

I hope I've answered your question and yes.. No matter what others say, I will stick by Fred Fox. He's too good of a man and a superintendent to allow this miscarriage of justice take him down.

PS.. I have no cousins who live in Huron ?

Dudley Do-Right

HEY MAN, FREE MAN, SOLD MAN, you are right public records searches can be free just check out BuckeyeInstitute.com

UgtaBkdnMe

Dudley

You don't sound like a "do right" but more like Cheech or Chong!

Tsu Dho Nimh

What is up with all of this hippie lingo? Did I miss something?

Sit n Spin

People are becoming crazy like a Fox ! Cabin fever is becoming rampant ! Release the hounds, the Fox hunt is on ! Bring spring !

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hahaha.. No kidding.
Can't wait for it to be warm so I can go out on my porch and type.. lol

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Listen __________-
I'm not naming you on here.
Your identity means nothing to me or anyone else here.
You are one of the Sowecke minions who won't admit your boy screwed up.

I may not name you, but I guess you'll never doubt my sources again..
You really think running and telling on me like a school girl will make any difference in the big scheme of things ? The people you told don't control me.

You would have to get to my girlfriend
to have any chance of controlling me.. lol

Tsu Dho Nimh

I thought you are married. You told us before that your wife doesn't have blonde hair like the former board member. Her hair is dark, remember?

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TDN-
Shhhh.. I'm just effing with some of the posters on here.
And you have to go remember what I said about 1000 posts ago.. lol

Something happened the other day and I heard about it and called out the party who found out that not only what I said was true.. It was even worse than I said..

UgtaBkdnMe

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UgtaBkdnMe

Since you are so concerned with knowing who everyone is, why don't you man-up and admit to who you are, you coward !!!!!

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Still trying to censure my comments ?

Listen.. It was a joke moron.

Tim Sowecke and Donna Greene walked into a bar..
Fred Fox ducked.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold

Your posts recently are bizarre. Are you running out of propaganda?

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This is your captain speaking:

I'm not running out of information..
It's already all been posted over and over and over everytime someone new gets on here. They always say: Sold, what exactly did Fred Fox do ? Sold, why do you attack that kind old man, Mr. Fernbaugh ? Sold, why did you sink the Titanic ?

If you want to know what's going on please feel free to go back to the beginning and read all of the posts !

Our altitude will be about 6 feet.. Hope you enjoy your flight !

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hahaha.. Oh my..
Did you know that when you do a 'request for a public record' you become a matter of public record ?

Apparently not..

UgtaBkdnMe

The names of EMPLOYEES are public records, not private citizens. You are allowed to know a request was made but not the identity of a private citizen. But since you think it is public record, then you are public record, fool ! Maybe you should check with the attorney general's office. It's FREE, MAN! You don't like being censored, then stop censoring others. You're all about the truth so let the truth be known. I'm posting again. Let's see how much you are about the truth.

UgtaBkdnMe

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UgtaBkdnMe

Looks like SOLD ON MYSELF (aka Sold on Fox) doesn't want the rest of you to know where he gets his info !

UgtaBkdnMe

Here is the email my friend sent to the treasurer. It is public record and I would hope that the Register will not remove it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Weis, Michael
To:
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: Public Records Request
What are you talking about? I have no idea who you are or actually care. I responded to whatever you requested or had my tech people do same. If you have a proble,m contact whomever you wish. But remember any request that hits my desk, like this is a public record available to anyone who asks. Again I have no clue who you are and what your problem is but your irrationality makes me worry about my safety and i fully intend to contact the police
On Feb 22, 2013 5:46 PM, <(vetted)> wrote:
Mr. Weis,

During the past months, I have made several public records requests from you and your office. My expectations are that you would conduct these requests in a professional manner which you clearly have not.

Today, while reading the Sandusky Register blogs on the article regarding the Asher court ruling, I noticed that a poster known as Sold On Fox starts using the phrase FREE MAN within hours of my most recent request. This has never been a phrase that this individual has ever used prior to today and it is out of context as if he/she is trying to prove a point. Do not try to dismiss this as a coincidence. Here are some examples that I am quoting from his/her blog:

But.. I could do a RECORDS SEARCH through the Huron City School's treasurer's office because that is FREE MAN..
Anyone here doing a records search that was FREE MAN would know that the figures I quoted on Fernbaugh's salary were low.
You got that ? It's FREE MAN !

It is obvious that you have shared with someone that I made a request today. I sent the email to you and no one else and you indicated that you were not in the office today so nobody but you would have known. This is unprofessional AND unethical behavior and I will have no problem whatsoever checking with the Department of Education, the ESB, the OASBO, or the Ethics Commission to see what the opinions of these agencies are. I have printed and downloaded the posts so that when they magically disappear from the Register site as a disputed comment, I will have the documentation I need to support my allegation.

In addition to this incident, I did not appreciate the manner in which a previous request was handled. If you recall, I asked for approximately three months of email back in late August. It took quite a while to receive the records and then the records where attached in a file format that the average home computer user would not be able to open. You then gave me the option of either coming in and picking up a physical copy or to met with TJ and view them on a school computer. I opted to send in my wife. When she came in, she told me that you were trying to make it difficult to pay for the records. You sat in your office, stretching your neck trying to see who she was. You also told the woman waiting that my wife needed to pay for it by check, not cash. I believe you were trying to figure out who we are and where we live. She did not back down and insisted that she was paying with cash. Eventually your office cooperated with her and accepted the payment.

It is my expectation that I will hear from both you and the board members regarding this issue. At minimum, I expect an apology and the name of the person who released my name and who it was released to. Afterall, if my name and inquiries are public records, then so is this individua'sl. The Huron Board of Education has enough issues that the treasurer's office does not need to be creating more.

UgtaBkdnMe

-----Original Message-----
From: (vetted)
To: jessicacuffman
Sent: Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:14 pm
Subject: Fwd: Public Records Request - on line posting
My friend recently shared truthful information on the article regarding the dismissal of the Asher lawsuit. One of his comments was removed. He then shared an email. I am sharing the email with you so you know it is truthful. Please do not remove the post. It is important that the people of Huron know the truth.
-----Original Message-----
From: Weis, Michael
To: (vetted)
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: Public Records Request
What are you talking about? I have no idea who you are or actually care. I responded to whatever you requested or had my tech people do same. If you have a proble,m contact whomever you wish. But remember any request that hits my desk, like this is a public record available to anyone who asks. Again I have no clue who you are and what your problem is but your irrationality makes me worry about my safety and i fully intend to contact the police
On Feb 22, 2013 5:46 PM, (vetted) wrote:
Mr. Weis,

During the past months, I have made several public records requests from you and your office. My expectations are that you would conduct these requests in a professional manner which you clearly have not.

Today, while reading the Sandusky Register blogs on the article regarding the Asher court ruling, I noticed that a poster known as Sold On Fox starts using the phrase FREE MAN within hours of my most recent request. This has never been a phrase that this individual has ever used prior to today and it is out of context as if he/she is trying to prove a point. Do not try to dismiss this as a coincidence. Here are some examples that I am quoting from his/her blog:

But.. I could do a RECORDS SEARCH through the Huron City School's treasurer's office because that is FREE MAN..
Anyone here doing a records search that was FREE MAN would know that the figures I quoted on Fernbaugh's salary were low.
You got that ? It's FREE MAN !

It is obvious that you have shared with someone that I made a request today. I sent the email to you and no one else and you indicated that you were not in the office today so nobody but you would have known. This is unprofessional AND unethical behavior and I will have no problem whatsoever checking with the Department of Education, the ESB, the OASBO, or the Ethics Commission to see what the opinions of these agencies are. I have printed and downloaded the posts so that when they magically disappear from the Register site as a disputed comment, I will have the documentation I need to support my allegation.

In addition to this incident, I did not appreciate the manner in which a previous request was handled. If you recall, I asked for approximately three months of email back in late August. It took quite a while to receive the records and then the records where attached in a file format that the average home computer user would not be able to open. You then gave me the option of either coming in and picking up a physical copy or to met with TJ and view them on a school computer. I opted to send in my wife. When she came in, she told me that you were trying to make it difficult to pay for the records. You sat in your office, stretching your neck trying to see who she was. You also told the woman waiting that my wife needed to pay for it by check, not cash. I believe you were trying to figure out who we are and where we live. She did not back down and insisted that she was paying with cash. Eventually your office cooperated with her and accepted the payment.

It is my expectation that I will hear from both you and the board members regarding this issue. At minimum, I expect an apology and the name of the person who released my name and who it was released to. Afterall, if my name and inquiries are public records, then so is this individua'sl. The Huron Board of Education has enough issues that the treasurer's office does not need to be creating more.

(vetted)

Julie R.

Geez, what the heck is going on in Huron, anyway? Why would the Treasurer of the school threaten to call the police on a citizen that requested a public record?

(this is beginning to sound like the same crap I heard from a bunch of Huronites and a Lorain County attorney after the death of my mother)

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Wow..
Think I may hit a nerve.
They said you may get violent.

UgtaBkdnMe

Hey Fred, who is "they"? Nobody knows me.

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Poor, poor pathetic Fred!

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Listen Kidding Me-
This is not Craig, Chris, Fred.. etc..
On and on. You probably know me, but you are not going to find out on here. It is not neccesary for you to know me. I am not the target of your anger, nor are you the target of mine.

This whole situation is causing neighbors to argue amongst themselves.

I am going to stop right now and wait for March 11th, 2013.

I truly didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

Tsu Dho Nimh

WOW!!! I have to tell you, Sold, I have enjoyed bantering with you and reading your comments even if I disagree with 99% of the time. But I must say, you have hit an all time low. I read carefully through the posts of the last two days and you have been trying to make sure Ugta knows that you have connections. There is no doubt that you do. What amazes me is that you think that we cannot figure out where is comes from. The email to the treasurer suggests one possibilty. If my assumption is wrong, then the other possibility is that you are "hacking" the district email. Either way, both possibilities would have an illegal element. You keep talking about the "false" Markling report. I cannot help but compare what was recorded time and time again in that report to what you are doing: Fred Fox spent much of his time during his last 2 years spying on people and using his position to intimidate people. Why you would care that someone inquired about the deputy superintendent's pay is beyond me. I have no intentions of answering your posts again. I thought we were a couple of people having fun on this blog but apparently I was wrong about you!

UgtaBkdnMe

Thank you for seeing what is going on. I, too, have no idea why Sold would feel the need to find the identity of my friend. It's rather scary isn't it. There is no doubt that a private citizens name was released but of course the accused party denies it in his email that I posted. Excellent point that the other viable option is the hacking of the email. And your last point that Sold is acting like Fox is described in the Markling report is great. Thanks again, buddy !

Tsu Dho Nimh

No problem, pal. I am sorry that your friend was a victim in this whole mess. Like I told Sold, I thought we were just people having fun on a blog. I had no idea that he was a secret agent man. There is no reason for him to want to know who your friend is other than to let people know that he is Big Brother. Very disturbing. I hope your friend finds some satisfaction with the board. Good luck to whoever he is!

Justme...

TDN, your comment about the Markling report...Spot on. The true colors of these folks is on full display. Thanks Sold.

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TDN-
I was attempting to get 'the person' who did the records request to admit that Fernbaugh was being paid even more than what I stated. If you read the posts as carefully as you say you would know I didn't know it was UGottaBeKdgMe.. He showed himself.

Whatever.. No facts.. Nothing is going to get through to you acorns.

Hahaha... I only wish I was a hacker.. lol

Sit n Spin

Y'all need to start your own reality show...."Blogger's Gone Wild"....Sweet Jesus people !

TaxRaider

Sit n Spin ..... I love it Blogger's Gone Wild

Dudley Do-Right

Sold ... I have read your blogs for several months now, you talked about meeting folks down at the docks, etc, because you are not afraid of who you are ... well who you are is the Wizard of Blogs, all puffed up behind your computer screen. I think you meant it when you said the only way anyone can get to you is through your girlfriend, she comes before your wife. You are the Wizard of Blogs and this time the fox grabbed some sour grapes.

TaxRaider

Dudley Do-Right .... Wizard of Blogs, how true, just like the Wizard of Oz hiding behind the curtain in Emerald City .... a frail scared man.

UgtaBkdnMe

A frail scared man is right !

UgtaBkdnMe

And in the name of the Freddy Fox Guild, we wish to welcome you to nonsense land.

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Sold you're the Wizard of Blogs..
Sold you are scary..
Sold you shot Kennedy..

Get real.
If you are carefully following this as you seem to think you are, you would know that I specifically spoke in code about the acorn who was requesting info so they would know that I knew that they knew that the figure that Fernbaugh makes each day is about $682.

Nothing more 'sinister' than that.

But.. As usual, make it sound however you want.

I am sorry that I am so intimidating.. lol

Sit N Spin.. You intimidated ?

And once again.. As I was talking in 'code' no one would have known what I was talking about except the person who ended up making a big deal of it.

Sorry acorns.

I will tell you exactly who I am as soon as the rest of you 'frail scared acorns' line up and name yourselves.

Huron_1969

Please state who you want to identify themselves that will in turn lead to you identifying yourself. Be specific.

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On March 12th, 2013 I will be back to say, "I told you so".

I want to thank Sit N Spin; Tmm; and Huron_1969.. you and I may not be on the same side in this 'situation', but at least you're fun to banter with.

And Wiredmama.. Whatever you do.. Don't move to Huron until this is over.

Sit n Spin

Sold...I'm not easily intimidated, especially by keyboard vigilante's :) I stood right next to you a couple months ago...you are a smart cookie...think about it...I didnt look like I was light in the loafers did I ? The offer still stands for that brew...or at F dock this summer !

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Spinner..
I'm not getting the 'code' but am pretty sure you're not light in the loafers.
It would be a pleasure to meet you.
(haha... Apparently I already know you)

TaxRaider

BINGO. I got it. B-bully, you bully with your title, you bully with email and now you bully with blogs. I-inside information, you are special with your inside information but not smart enough to keep your mouth shut. N-nothing to do, you have nothing to do since you are unemployed. G-got one on the side, girlfriend that is. O-obsessed, you are obsessed with this. BINGO it is clear who you are, you may not be a sly fox but you are still a critter.

Tsu Dho Nimh

There is a man who lost his job and Bingo was his name-O...lol

Sit n Spin

Where did everyone go ? Wiredmama & I decided to call it quits, it was an amicable split so it's all good in spin's hood. Come back ! I miss y'all !

Huron_1969

Sorry to hear about you and Wired. Maybe a lengthy letter seeking advice from Dear Edna will help you get through your heartbreak. Lol

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hahaaha..

Tsu Dho Nimh

Your split with Mama is probably for the best. On a serious note, I don't think we are going to hear anymore from Sold on ME now that his true colors have been exposed in black and white. His tactics are just down right desperate and disturbing. As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to having a discussion with him... ain' nobody got time for that (LOL).

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True colors in black and white ? What are you talking about ?

I told you.. Talk to you after March 12th.

Sit n Spin

Dear Edna,
I didnt have my shoes or nothing... Lord Jesus I just ran for my life ! I thought somebody was havin a BBQ but it was fier !

Tsu Dho Nimh

: )

Huron_1969

From high above on her pulpit, Wired sees all and knows all. You can run from her but you can't hide

Tsu Dho Nimh

He’s hackin in your emails, lookin your people up, tryna scare them, so y’all need to hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husbands ‘cuz he’s creepin on everybody out there.
You don’t have to come and confess, we're not looking for you, we’ve already found you, we’ve already found you, so you can run and tell that, run and tell that , run and tell that, homeboy, home, home, homeboy.
We got your “connections”, you done left you “fingerprints” and all, you are so dumb, you are really dumb – for real, you are really, really, really, really so dumb

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Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah
(My hands are over my ears and eyes)

Not listening until March 12th, 2013

Huron_1969

So who is typing on your keyboard?

Tsu Dho Nimh

I was thinking the same thing!

Sit n Spin

Hahahaha ! Good stuff....good stuff ! Sold missed us ! I knew he couldn't refrain from paying us a visit ! Sold...you can break the "code", I have faith in ya :)

UgtaBkdnMe

I'm going to stop posting until March 12. Knew you couldn't do it. Taxraider is right, you can't stop running your mouth.

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hmmm..
TDN rapping ?

I am only here for a friendly visit, which is apparently more than can be understood by who is left here ?

Sit N Spin.. Who would have believed you would be the only one here making sense ? (Even though I still don't get the code)

I will/can post all I want, when I want.. Just like the rest of you acorns.

And I am not posting again until March 12th.. or until you make it impossible for me not to want to get the last word in... hahahaaha

Lighten up. You act like Fred Fox shot someone's dog.. lol

Sit n Spin

Every now & then this squirrel finds an acorn ;)

UgtaBkdnMe

Just like the dog, maybe Fred should have stayed in his own yard instead of running around (on school time). Just a thought. BTW, I enjoyed TDN's "email intruder" song.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold's new motto "Yes people, I totally know I have the right to remain silent, I just choose not to use that right."

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