Huron board fires back at Fox conspiracy claim

A faction of Huron school board members are firing back at fellow board member Kevin Asher's claim about a grand conspiracy against embattled superintendent Fred Fox.
Jessica Cuffman
Nov 20, 2012

Board member Kevin Asher and attorney Patrick Murray, who represents Fox, have previously filed court documents accusing the majority of the board members of holding a personal vendetta against Fox.

In court documents filed this past week, however, Fox's opponents said any notion of a conspiracy theory is not only false, but also irrelevant.  

"Asher's brief includes more than a dozen pages of irrelevant, speculative, false and defamatory conspiracy theories masquerading as 'facts,'" stated documents filed by Drew Legando, attorney for board members Tim Sowecke and Donna Green. "Its outlandish claims have nothing to do with the issues presented by the motions pending before the court."

Read the court filings. Click HERE to see the originial conspiracy claims.

For more on the ongoing legal battles, pick up a copy of Thursday's Register.

 

Comments

Tsu Dho Nimh

You are correct about the email. All email conducted on the email system of a public agency (which a school district is) is public record. If there is any personal information like a student name, private citizen name, a person's address, etc., then this information is blacked out. This is called vetting. Basically, a public employee should never put in email what they do not want aired in public.

wiredmama222

Then it has to be a first. I have never seen a school where the emails become public record....ever. They just never let the public see the emails. We always had the protection of privacy of our school records...they were absolute and not subject to the scrutany of the public's prying eyes.

I am going to call my previous school tomorrow and ask them when that changed because that was one thing we could count on was the privacy of the email system of our school. It was not something made public. I taught for 10 years and that was something we could depend on.

wiredmama222

Have you read them, actually truly read them yourself? If so, what do they say?

wiredmama222

And please do not quote someone else like a board member, but tell us what they say that YOU can remember if you read them. Quote yourself. Thanks

wiredmama222

I believe if you ask the SR you will find they were GIVEN the emails by the board when they were told all about this and brought into this "mess" by the board. The Sandusky Register was told all about the meeting in advance. Please read the answer to me from the SR. They were told by your board ("the media was brought into this by being given emails and info")
Just thought you should know.

Justme...

I'm not going to spend too much energy arguing with you, but your understanding is simply not correct. As TDN said, certain information about students, etc. is not released, but the SR asks for and receives emails all the time from public institutions, including schools. We've all seen the emails as part of the Markling report. I assume you've seen those as well. According to one of the first articles published in May, before the report was released, "After submitting a public records request, the Register recently obtained hundreds of emails sent and received from Fred Fox's school account." Go back and read the entire article. You have a relationship with the SR. Ask them.

wiredmama222

a quote to me from the SR: "The wrong thing was for the BOE have the media involved, but the media is here for us, the voting people! We deserve to know whats going on. Its our tax dollars paying for this. "

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Magic 8 Ball says: The OEC is going to recommend that Fred Fox be reinstated in his former position as superintendent of the Huron City Schools.

The Huron Board of Education will vote 3-2 not to accept the OEC's recommendation.

Bet on it.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold, I thought it was ODE that is handling this current hearing? I will give you that the Kalahari relationship will be a tough one to prove with the OEC, but ODE is a different entity. If you look at its discipline history of educators licenses being supsended and revoked due to behaviors unbecoming to the teaching profession, Mr. Fox has to be nervous.

wiredmama222

SOLD...I don't think anyone will recommend anything to anyone. Given the fact that there is a lawysuit in place, they would be silly to get involved at this juncture and will stay out of it entirely. In fact, given the mess this is, they would be hardpressed to get involved at all.

I still maintain that given the fact that this board has already taken action (firing Fox) , what did they expect the ethics board to do? The recommendation will say just that. " Your decision was already made". They won't find anything really that can be used to justify that firing and won't make any recommendation at this point is my guess.

The most they COULD do would be to remove credentials and they have really no proof of anything on which to do that either. And with a suit going on they probably won't do that. You have to have a really solid proof of charges that are SOLID and COURT provable to have credentials removed and infidelity on one's spouse (even on school time) isn't one of them. It has to be more serious than that. I happen to know a teacher from Huron who had an affair while at school who was deeply involved in an affair and she didn't lose her credentials nor did he. Although both spouses tried to have them removed. The ethics board denied their claims.

You need a COURT DEFENDABLE problem which includes larceny, theft, or some such thing that has been prosecuted to do that. If they haven't prosecuted him for anything only accused him, then they haven't a prayer of getting his credentials. Accusation isn't enough. You have to have filed charges. I swear they should have read the handbook. All this is stated in there.

This is all a stand off at this point. The State isn't going to risk getting involved in that one as long as the lawsuit is pending anyway.

Just a guess.

wiredmama222

Below I said that since he was fired they could do little. Now that I know he is just suspended, there is a litte more they could do.

But here is my problem. They will probably talk with him and ask him his side of this. The board ususally listens to BOTH sides of the story. They don't take just one side. They conduct and "investigation which means both sides talk to the board. They are a licensing group, an organization.

They will not take one side of any story. They want to hear what the teacher or educator has to say about the charges against them, especially when that teacher has a degree that is one of administration like Mr. Fox.

He has a lot of education behind his name and much to lose if they take his licensure away. So this isn't going to be a "slam dunk" for the board as some think it will, nor will it be one sided.

Boards take into consideration BOTH sides of the story when someone has been charged, just like courts do. They want to hear what is going on and what has happened. They listen to the charges, they ask questions of the person being charged and what they have to say for themselves. They may talk to him by phone, or have him come there. But they will ask him.
Anyone who thought this board wouldn't ask was just fooling themselves.

It takes a great deal to get your license yanked at his level. I wouldn't want to bet at this point, but I know they would want his side of it.

He has a masters degree at least if he is a superintendent. He may even be working on a doctorate. I don't know. But rest assured at that level, they will give him a chance to speak...both boards will,before making a recommendation.

If all the board has is using the emails at work to contact a woman, don't count on much of a reprimand. It won't happen. Maybe a slap on the wrist. But not much more than that will happen. They will call that "petty" at best.

Reinstate, probationary status. Evaluations every six months. Monitor email use. No raise for one year. They will tell him to never do it again and to separate his personal life from his private life.

That is my guess. The ODE will follow suit more than likely.

That is the best you can hope for. What the local board does is anyone's guess.

They probably won't follow the recommendation.

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The emails are all they have. Everything else is a non-issue.

He should be reprimanded and allowed to go back to work.

Lawsuits to follow.

Tsu Dho Nimh

The emails and their content can be a very big deal with ODE. The state level reprimand can be pretty severe. If his license is suspended, then he is not employable.

Justme...

I don't know what you mean by "presented properly" but whatever. And unfortunately none of us are getting the testimony they are receiving but I'd love to be a fly on the wall. You are right, that was his choice.

Retiree

Where I work,there were seven people terminated for using a company computer to send personal e-mails on company time. Two of the seven were having an affair.

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Hahaha.. That's good stuff, Retiree ! Obviously it is against company policy.

I am truly curious to see how the 'authorities' handle this with Fred Fox.

wiredmama222

I sincerely hope the school system can prove that they have a policy that says you cannot use the system for personal emails. If not, they are going to have a tough time. Has anyone actually READ the emails? Actually seen them?

Justme...

That last sentence...you're kidding, right?

wiredmama222

No, I am not "kidding you"...have you seen and read them? I have asked this about ten times now and now one has answered. I want to know what they say by someone who has actually seen and read them but no one yet has told me.

wiredmama222

Retiree...I will bet your company has a policy about such things: no personal emails. Many companys do nowdays and they publish that you cannot use the company email for personal use. It is no longer good enough to say "I told you no personal emails". Under this guidelines, then you cannot. If they tell you you cannot, then yes, its a violation, but they have to tell you its a fireable offense. otherwise, it isn't.

That is why many companies now days find it very important to have that policy and procedure handbook around.....and make employees sign it afer reading it.. If you fire an employee and they complain...you have backup,. Human Resources departments just find it an invaluale tool to have

I use to have my students WRITE one to show how its done Its invaluable in most offices and business anymore. Especially in a right to work state,.

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wiredmama222

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UgtaBkdnMe

Really wiredmama222 I thought you were against gossip. The auditor's office looks into fraud cases not dui or inappropriate relationships. Stop trying to attract flies where crap doesn't exist.

wiredmama222

First of all, you need to settle down some. You get yourself too riled up. Cool off. Secondly...other can be right about things without you just jumping up and down like a jack rabbit in a briar patch. LOL

Look, Mr Fox is not a friend of mine. I do not know how many times I have said this before it sinks into your brain, so I will say it one more time...but, your board made a mistake. You guys in Huron need to understand this.

Now, I am not trying to make any more problems, THEY made the problems and there are plenty to go around. They didn't do this right from the beginning. Do you realize that your board members could lose their seats by state law??? All of them???? And receive a five hundred dollar fine for what they did???? That is the LAW in Ohio. Simply because they violated the Sunshine Law in the State of Ohio?

I don't need a lawyer to tell me, or a judge to come up here and tell me. I don't need another board member to tell me or anything like that. I read my manual. I studied it. You can too. Go to the Ohio website and read it for yourself. It is called the "yellow book", or simply go to your computer and look up Ohio Sunshine law and find out yourself about what is expect of executive sessions for boards. You will find that when it comes to employees they have to discuss everything with them in executive session...not in public. They cannot openly discuss the mess they did in public with Mr. Fox. Its unlawful to do so. (where the fine and loss of seat come in). You start with your general meeting, then go to executive session have your discussion and come out of executive session say that you are suspending your superintending for conduct and finish your meeting....that is all you can say. PERIOD. You cannot do the hit job your board did. Not affair, no money, no toolgate...nothing. So you best just move on with this stuff and stop it.

And stop blaming all this on everyone else. Blame the board. They are the ones who made this mess.

UgtaBkdnMe

What are you rambling about ? My comment was brief and you write 4 paragraphs ! You and Sold vowed to be polite and then both start trying to bring a person who isn't related to this mess into your conversation. Your response to him suggesting the types of 'misdeeds' the person might be guilty of was nothing but nasty gossip. Your long, goofy answer doesn't even relate to the topic I responded to. Maybe you're the one drinking ! At least the SR had enough sense to remove your comments.

wiredmama222

What I have been saying is very much to the point, you just will not accept it. You board has done everything wrong and yet insists on crucifying Mr. Fox for his so called mistakes. They want him gone for PERSONAL reasons and nothing more. This is a witch hunt.

The only ones who cannot see it are those people involved with a personal gripe of their own and its so very plain to see.

It isn't personal to me. I have no stake in it. Merry Christmas to you. And by the way, I do not drink at all.

sanduskyregiste...

sold, why did the principal in fremont resign shortly after this was all made public?

since you are so tied with fox, you probably have all the answers to all my questions.

Why did he miss so many days? Was the elementary principal's name ever come up as he supposably was visiting her when he actually wasnt in the building?

did he incorrectly report his trip in arizona?

why didnt past BOE members research some of these issues, it shouldve been dealt with a long time ago! it just doesnt sound right.

wiredmama222

SR....Why didn't the board of education do their jobs and do a complete and thorgh job review of his job perfomance until they publically fired him if these issues were such a problem? I don't understand why any board would let this stuff go for so long without question if these issues were so important?

It seems to me that any board concerned with and charged with taxpayer money responsibility would be more cautious with how things are being spent. After all, it is THEIR responisibity to be the watchdog of the way money is being dispensed and dispersed. Why did they not notice any discrepancies or incorrectness for such a long time?

When an incorrectness was noticed, it was paid back, so why bring it up after the fact?

Any affair that may or many not have occured, even if it did happen "on company time" should never have been dealt with in public. Why did the board do this in such a "PUBLIC WAY" other than to deliberately embarass him?

Why didn't the board do their job and do the annual reviews on Fox as they should have? Should all thesee issues have not been addressed at that time?

I cannot help but wonder why these issues have not been brought up to the ethics board and to the state board of education in Columbus AND to the Attorney General of Ohio for violation of the Sunshine law as prescibed by law. It seems to me that this is something that someone should bring to his attention as well. Why isn't that being done? You know its a $500 fine for violations.

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SR-
Why would the Fremont principal reisign after this was made public ?
(I think I see another lawsuit coming from her against Tim SOWecke for making it public.. Any Murrays left ?).

Where is it stated that Fred Fox missed any more days than he is allowed ?

I really can't decipher your code about Shawnee's principal, but Fred Fox was ALEDGIDLY saying he was visiting her and ALEDGIDLY was not. Office gossip was that they were having an affair, which they were not.

Fred Fox reported his Arizona trip after being urged to by Huron BOE members. He was going to just pay for the whole trip. Then.. After he turned the trip in the treasurer alerted him that part of the trip was not reimbursable so Fred Fox immediately paid that part back.

Past boards had nothing to deal with. Fred Fox did his job and well. His evalutions were perfect.

Listen SR, and anyone else who is interested: The only thing that Fred Fox did that could even be conceived as improper was using his school email for personal reasons. All of this and that is it.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold...Mr. Fox wrote the reimbursement check at the end of February 2012, a few days short of one year after the trip. The investigation by a few school board members started earlier in the month. The treasurer can give you a copy of the reimbursement if you ask.

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