Huron board fires back at Fox conspiracy claim

A faction of Huron school board members are firing back at fellow board member Kevin Asher's claim about a grand conspiracy against embattled superintendent Fred Fox.
Jessica Cuffman
Nov 20, 2012

Board member Kevin Asher and attorney Patrick Murray, who represents Fox, have previously filed court documents accusing the majority of the board members of holding a personal vendetta against Fox.

In court documents filed this past week, however, Fox's opponents said any notion of a conspiracy theory is not only false, but also irrelevant.  

"Asher's brief includes more than a dozen pages of irrelevant, speculative, false and defamatory conspiracy theories masquerading as 'facts,'" stated documents filed by Drew Legando, attorney for board members Tim Sowecke and Donna Green. "Its outlandish claims have nothing to do with the issues presented by the motions pending before the court."

Read the court filings. Click HERE to see the originial conspiracy claims.

For more on the ongoing legal battles, pick up a copy of Thursday's Register.

 

Comments

wiredmama222

That is YOUR opinion and I respect that. I don't care if you read them or not. I have the SR right, as do you, to post MY opinion, as do you. I am not tramping on your rights to post YOUR BS so you shouldn't complain to much when you post what you say is mine. LOL

Exhausting or not, I really do not care what you read or do not read. That isn't up to me, it is up to you. But I don't highly that you won't read it. There isn't a "pop quiz" at the end of any of this so who will know the difference.

These boards are here for posting opinions, and each of us is doing just that. At least mine have some research behind mine. Do you ever look up anything or just believe what you have been spoon fed by your BOE, the gossip in Huron and your friends? I was just curious. You need not answer. I think I already know the results of those answers given what you have posted in the past. Good luck with that and may you have a good holiday season.

Julie R.

@BAM272: I never did anything that made Huron look bad but I know a lot of idiot Huronites that sure did ---- so blame them. Don't blame me for making the Erie County courts look bad, either --- blame the courts.

wiredmama222

No, Julie, you haven't. This sounds like they cannot take hint of anything illegal going on. It is one more in a long line of things going on to them and they can't take it.

wiredmama222

Julie....If they have done something fraudulent, they will get caught this time. Remember, they are still smarting from the SC smackdown they got earlier in the week. LOL

donutshopguy

Wired,

I'm not ashamed what the new board did to uproot the previous board and superintendent. The "good old boys" were well entrenched with numerous "pals and buddies" employed throughout the school system to tattle and harass good administrators and teachers. This situation seems to happen in public employment when people in charge have been in their positions too long. There are similar situations in the area throughout government.

Now the best thing for the school system is a total cleansing of the whole board and superintendent. It's the only way to heal the great divide created by all in power. Yeah, I mean everyone.

wiredmama222

But NOT in public. You run a business, do you not? Would you PUBLICALLY humilitate an employee when you fire them or tell them they are fired?

Would you publically air all their misdeeds JUST to get back at them? Of course not, because you wouldn't stoop to that level. You would fire them and let it go at that. I KNOW you would NEVER do that to an employee unles you expected to get sued.

Isn't that true?

And starting with a whole new board may be the answer, but it doesn't excuse what this one did. That part I must agree. This board should go entirely. Who could you trust on there after this? None of them.

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Agreed !

UgtaBkdnMe

I doubt she will be back. Everyone is ganging up on her. That is the perception when you are not in agreement.

wiredmama222

How wrong you are. The preception here isn't that I am wrong, it is that the BOE in Huron is wrong. You need to look with better eyes and listen with better ears and read with better comprehension. The "ganging up" comes from you and no one else, does it not? Perception is as it always was, some Huronites just don't understand the way they look to the outside world and still do not.

Just like some things never change and never will. Until they learn to be less of a pain to others. We need to simply accept each other as two who have opinions that will never be the same and leave it at that. I am not going to support you and you won't support me (not that I am asking as you are). Bury the hatchet in each others backs and move on would be a good idea, huh? This is going nowhere.

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Agreed !

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Ugta-
You are ganging up on her, but she can take it. She is giving us her opinion and she is entitled to it. So are you ! That is what makes this forum fun.. lol

Donut-
I know how you feel. This board definately needs a cleansing. MY OPINION is that Fred Fox is not the problem, but I also feel you are definately right about a time limit on public positions. We are not alone. There is a superintendent east of here who is being investigated for working on a classic car while he was supposed to be at work. He even got parts through the school system and had school employees work on the car, too, while they were on the school's time clock. They/he has a documented problem. There is no such documentation here, and that is what makes this vendetta so interesting. Even you have to admit that Fred Fox's rights have been trampled.

TDN-
My social network friend. I am still in disagreement with you on a few things, but I admire your homework. The 'Toolgate' issue surprises me that it has been handed to the Toledo office. I have to consult my 'Magic 8 Ball' and see what the rest of the story is.

Tim SOWecke DEFINATELY hand delivered the Markling report. No one I consult with even has a question on that. What he took upon himself made the document public which is what he wanted. No matter what Fred Fox did/or didn't do he didn't deserve that. His family didn't either.

DL is definately here and reading what is posted. If not why would he come out with his post in his name. It's hard for me to believe you are not him because you work like him. He really is a brilliant kid. One of the hardest working, most organized people I have ever met. You should consider this a compliment.

Obviously, with 290+ posts, this topic is on people's minds and is definately dinner time conversation. I never dreamed how nasty people would get when you try to give them some facts so they may form their own opinion based on facts. When this is all said and done I will miss your posts, TDN. Let's find something else we can disagree on. Your posts always make me think and check facts unlike others on here who just want to egg us on.

Wiredmama-
Don't let anyone ever tell you that you can't post YOUR opinion. I enjoy your view from the outside. For someone on the outside you sure seem to have a grasp of the situation !

I am going to really try to be more polite to others on here. It's only fair, but it really pi$$es me off when people spout with no backround info. Pick another topic where people don't care if you have any knowledge. See.. Polite !

There you go again

The word is "definitely"

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OMG.. Incredible.
I post all of that and you spell check me on one word ?

Wiredmama- this is just more proof of the quality of postings here.

This is someone who wants to pile on Fred Fox and all they can offer is a spell check ?

wiredmama222

Oh, sold, I have been hit harder than this by better than this. It hasn't stoppped me before. Like I said before, "strength of conviction" gives you strenght. I don't care if they don't like HOW I write or what I write...don't read it then. Do you think I care? I don't quiz anyone on it. LOL.

If you don't like what I have to say that is your problem, not mine. Just as what you say is my problem and not yours. These are opinions, exchanges of ideas. But they sometimes forget that.

Rudeness is what it is. You cannot change that and that really bugs me. I hate it. I really do, but you can't teach old dogs new tricks I guess. It shows a lack of character and breeding in my book.

Thank you for your comments on insight, I have seen a great deal for a long time. I know how it works and I can sure see the writing on the wall. Funny how others cannot when they are right up against it. They think others are blind.

I need to practice the word polite. I have a short fuse and an acid tongue which comes out when I am attacked from the onsite like I have been from day one....which goes back to the FIRST days on this postings. The biggest problem is I have a LONG memory and can recall who said what to me...makes things bad. So I remember who called me names all the way back.

Its hard for me to be civil to those who have not given me the same curtesy. But I will try. I apologized to TDN...which isn't easy for me. So the next nasty thing she or he says is on her or him. Lets see how long that lasts.

Anyway, little to nothing will stop me from stating my SR right to post my opinion whether right or wrong.

And for those who don't want to read it, that is YOUR right. I will probably continue to read yours, as I like to see what you have to say. I learn new things each day, good and bad about the nature of the communities in which I live.

Sold, you are a one of a kind. Keep it up. I will follow your lead and definitely be more POLITE (it will kill me but I will try)

donutshopguy

Wired,
You are talking apples and oranges. A private employee is different than a public employee. Public employees are open to view by the public, their bosses. It's a matter of public record. You seem to be only upset with the manner of delivery of information? If the information was delivered by hand, through the mail or by horseback it's still public information open to public review.

Just my opinion but I feel Mr. Fox thought he was untouchable. In fact, when his "three buddies " were on the school board he was untouchable.

Well, the public was become tiresome of this attitude. Low and behold they voted in a new member and thus a new majority. Now, all the shenanigans were dredged up that were allowed during the previous school board. And the new board took action.

So people like the superintendent and the old board member can't handle the loss of power and the "outing" of information that was well hidden from the public. If allowed to dig deeper there will be more truths uncovered by this present board.

In all honesty, the lawsuit for conspiracy should be filed against the voting public of Huron. They are the ones who changed the power structure of the school board that started this whole process.

A little cleansing of "kingdoms" is good for the public as a whole.

wiredmama222

No, public employees are protected by the very thing I said...executive session. They had NO right to "air" his wrongs in public. That is exactly what I am saying. YOU wouldn't do it to your employees and you are NOT bound by the law of executive session.

Thank the Republic Governor and Mike Dewine who wrote them. That is what they did to the sunshine laws and we are all bound by it. There is no such thing any more......so sorry to be the bearer of bad news to one and all but when you do not keep up with the law you lose your rights.

They ARE bound by it under the law....do you see what I mean. Public employees like this board HAVE to follow the law. NO EXCEPTIONS. The BOE is no exception and the superintendant is their employee. The pubic did NOT have a right to know, any more than your customers have a right to know about your employees. That is the LAW, like it or not. That is the entire point of having an excutive session.

This board should have known and did know. But they thumbed their nose at it. Don't take my word for it....go look it up under Ohio Sunshine law, 2010. You cannot get around it. ALL PUBLIC BOARDS MUST FOLLOW IT.

What makes you think that because he was a public figure anyone had the right to know what he was being fired for. That is the farthest thing from the truth there is. It is NOT a matter of public record at all. You are very much mistaken. The law as of last year is very specific on its Sunshine rules and this is one of them.

So sorry donut, but this is the law now and this is why the board is in such trouble. You cannot do this any more. Public officials are protected. That is why when the board member HAND DELIVERED that report it became a PUBLIC record and not a private one with the state board.

Had it been mailed, it would have remained private. But they goofed.

sanduskyregiste...

You are correct, wired! The BOE didnt do it correctly! The only problem was they dug up some dirt. Now we argue back and forth about the dirt that was dug up! The wrong thing was for the BOE have the media involved, but the media is here for us, the voting people! We deserve to know whats going on. Its our tax dollars paying for this.

My suggestion is the Ohio Ethics look at the dirt and suggest to us how to handle it. Once they decide, then we handle it according to their recommendation.

wiredmama222

Thank you very much...Just for the record....the superintendent is NOT a public figure, he is an EMPLOYEE of the school system and therefore the "dirt" they dug up should never have been made public in the first place. It is one thing to be elected, another to be hired as he was.

Tax dollars or not, the board leaked the info about an EMPLOYEE. It was THERE job to watch what was going on, they didn't. If there was a problem THEY should have caught it and disciplined. The fault is THEIRS all the way. Why was there no assessment of his actions for all that time? Because the board wasn't doing their job, that's why. They sat there like a stone and when it suddenly came to their attention, they got panicky. They had to shift blame and they did. But you don't do what they did....EVER. This is purely a case of lax work ethic by a board who just went along and did nothing until it got to a fever pitch. Then it blew up. The tax dollars start and stop with that board, do they not? It is their responsibility to see that it is taken care of,so why didn't they do that? Dirt or not, the buck stops with them. I wonder what the ethics board will say about that?

I would LOVE to know who alerted the media? Who told? Who sent the SR the info about them going to "get him"? It had to be a board member, right? And that is unethical as well.

I cannot help but wonder what the ethics board is going to do about it since it was made so public and now a lawsuit has been filed because of it?

This board is in so deep they may never dig their way out, but that is for another day.

The ethics board usually handles things that deal with things that happen with employees that are still employed, not ones that have already been terminated. They may tell this board the decision has alreay been made and "what do you want us to do? You made your decision now live with it"

Teacher ethics boards can terminate his credentials, but nothing more since he has already been teminaated by this BOE, so they are really at a loss if they think the board of ethics are going to back them up. They kind of blew it all the way around by jumping the gun. The most they can hope for now is that the ethics board terminates his credentials, which is a long shot at best. Who knows. Stranger things have happened, but my money is that they just tell the board you all ready made your decision. We can't help you any further.

As for the rest....they really put the cart before the horse, and somebody over in Huron better brush up on the Sunshine laws and how to terminate an employee before this happens again.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I disagree that his credentials being suspended is a long shot. Being convicted of passing bad checks will cause a teaching license to be revoked. That I know to be true.

wiredmama222

Yes, if convicted, they can lose their license because it can be considered a felony. But what he did would have to be proven a FELONY first. Also there are moral issues that can be considered. But you can't do that if you FIRE an employee first. They still have to be in your employ to file charges with the board of ethics. THEN you fire the employee AFTER they make their ruling, not the other way around.

You ask for the investigation first, then fire the employee. This board again got it backward.

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Agreed ! (Except they didn't goof. The 3 Amigos/Stooges maliciously hand delivered the info on Fred Fox to smear him. No one who is quoted in the Markling report was under oath. No one quoted in the Markling report had absolute first hand knowledge of anything. It was all he said/she said. And the whole hiring and delivery of the Markling report was illegal because it is 'poisoned fruit' because of the unexecutive executive sessions. All the BOE had to do was go into executive session and discuss Fred Fox. They, instead, chose to just meet illegaly as three and make decisions).

Tsu Dho Nimh

A sincere question: if the three met in secret and Mr. Fox was not aware of the allegations against him, why did he bring a lawyer to the board meeting? That never made sense to me.

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Nothing in Huron is really a secret is it, TDN ?

wiredmama222

Because they refused to tell him WHAT he was being dismissed for and what the reason for dismissal was if that tape was any indication. And they refused to tell him what was in the Markling report. That is what his attorney was arguing about.

That would be my quess. If I knew investigators were asking my staff questions and digging around, I sure would get myself a lawyer to protect myself, especially if I asked what was going on and got no answer. Just a guess, but given that tape, it seems logical since they refused after the lawyer demanded it and still got nowhere.

Justme...

Apparantly the report became public record once the OEC got it. Regardless of how they got it was going to be public record. And the emails were public record as soon as he hit "send". Don't you recall - the Register obtained those emails and wrote an article long before they obtained the Markling report.

wiredmama222

They have little to know hope of help from the ethics board once they terminated the employee either. The ethics board may terminate his credentials. but they don't do much with a terminated employee. The board alreayd MADE their decision.

Someone on the board better read the manual from the State. You cannot make an employees records or work product public record at all. Any emails he produced at work are NOT public record the minute he hit send. If you are talking about him sending those emails to his supposed "mistress", you may be surprised by what they have to say as well. It better be in writing what he can and cannot do where emails are concerned in the policy and procedure manuals of the schools.

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JustYou-
In no way shape or form was the Markling report going to be public record if it was presented properly to the OEC.

You are not getting the testimony they are receiving now, are you ?

Fred Fox can chose whether or not the info goes public now and he chose not to.

wiredmama222

Justme...You keep saying that the emails become public record once they hit "send" and that just isn't so. Not on a closed system such as the school board has. This isn't like the internet you and I are on.

The school board system is a closed system that is write protected and not open to others. It isn't open to the public to get into. You have to have passwords, etc that the general public cannot crack into so they messages they send are not open to public access like we have. They are only used by the school and therefore not open to public scrutiny. They did not become public record when those using them hit 'send" as you suggest. Those have to be downloaded by someone with a password and sent by someone. That means someone from the school or the board downloaded them and sent them to the paper.....just saying.

Justme...

"Public record" means the public has the right to see them if they ask for them - unlike your email or my email, which is not public record. The Register asked for them, the district was legally obligated to provide them. Ask TDN. She/he apparantly has made lots of public records requests.

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