Huron board fires back at Fox conspiracy claim

A faction of Huron school board members are firing back at fellow board member Kevin Asher's claim about a grand conspiracy against embattled superintendent Fred Fox.
Jessica Cuffman
Nov 20, 2012

Board member Kevin Asher and attorney Patrick Murray, who represents Fox, have previously filed court documents accusing the majority of the board members of holding a personal vendetta against Fox.

In court documents filed this past week, however, Fox's opponents said any notion of a conspiracy theory is not only false, but also irrelevant.  

"Asher's brief includes more than a dozen pages of irrelevant, speculative, false and defamatory conspiracy theories masquerading as 'facts,'" stated documents filed by Drew Legando, attorney for board members Tim Sowecke and Donna Green. "Its outlandish claims have nothing to do with the issues presented by the motions pending before the court."

Read the court filings. Click HERE to see the originial conspiracy claims.

For more on the ongoing legal battles, pick up a copy of Thursday's Register.

 

Comments

underthebridge

Ready. Set. GO!

car 54

I look for Jerry Springer to air the next board meeting. Bring in the lost lover and Fox's wife for a cage match.

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Actually Car 54, I would be more interested in an attorney 'cage match'.

I believe at this time we are up to 9.

PussycatPatrol

After review of the attached documents, it appears to us, the Pussycat Patrol that there is a lot of inbreeding occuring in Huron. Maybe that explains this sordid mess. It would probably be a good idea if you plan on marrying/dating a family member that you don't procreate. That seems to be where the problem lies. Thank you.

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PCPatrol you are definately onto something:
Attorney Drew Legando = Nephew of Coach Legando
Donna 'Hastings' Green = Ex-sister-inlaw of Coach Legando
Tim SOWecke = Uncle by marriage of Coach Legando

The apples seem to be falling off of this family tree.

Julie R.

A Legando is an attorney? I never knew that. (not that I really much cared) Neither did I know that Donna Green was Cindy's sister.

So who is Legando representing in this fiasco?

Tsu Dho Nimh

He is representing two people who are not related to him: Donna Green and Tim Sowecke. Sold wants to tie him to the two because of the fact that Coach Legando is his uncle. Donna is the coach's ex-sister in law (no relation to Drew) and Tim is the coach's uncle-in-law (no relation to Drew).

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I like it better the way I did it, TDN !

Tsu Dho Nimh

Of course you do, Sold...lol

Tsu Dho Nimh

Let us not forget that:

Pat Murray = Fred Fox's friend
Kevin Asher = Fred Fox's long time friend and golf companion
Bus Garage Supervisor = Fred Fox's long time friend and travelling buddy to Fremont

old dog

I can't believe that The Discovery Channel hasn't picked up on this saga yet. It sure would make for a great reality show. With all of the PDF files listed here, the script would already be written. All they would have to do is come up with a catchy name for the title. Hmmm, let me see!!!!

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How about 'Fox Hunt' ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Or "World's Stupid Superintendents"

donutshopguy

Does the conspiracy theory go back to when Fred was an outcast as a child during the neighborhood game of "kick the can" ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

LOL...that is funny but makes as much sense as anything else listed in Asher's second suit. Compare the writing style, grammar, and spelling of Asher's filing along with his conspiracy theory and Attorney Legando's response. I think Mrs. Green and Mr. Sowecke have better representation.

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Grasping at straws..

Tsu Dho Nimh

Perhaps but you, Sold, pulled the short straw.

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Not at all TDN..
I just see this as more smoke and mirrors and lawyer talk. I still cannot believe anyone would use all of this to cover up what they did. They fired the first shot, and now everyone has to 'show' their cards, err, skeletons ?

Darwin's choice

" As the Pasta Turns...These are the Days of Our Lives" Good grief!

FlyBoy86

This kind of uncertainty on the school board cost them a taxpayer. Glad we decided to stay on the other side of the bay.

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Smart move, FlyBoy !
Taxpayers and parents in Huron are definately not being represented fairly.

Maybe it's time for a class action lawsuit on behalf of them to remove the cancer from this situation ?

srblogger

do you have or do i need to bring you a broom to sweep all this freddy issues under the rug?

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Hahaha.. Nice SR !

wiredmama222

With this kind of drama, its amazing that any work gets done over there. How do they do any school business? This would make a great stomach turning soap opera is right. Obviously they can't get along. Name it "As the Backbiters Turn"

RUKidding

There isn't any school business getting any done. I can give you a few staff members that are dropping the ball on their jobs since nobody's paying attention to them anymore. When was the last time there was a board meeting that had anything to do with the actual functioning of the school?

PS

RUKidding-I agree. I have seen the same thing.

wiredmama222

RUKidding and PS...Well, your school board started this and they removed your superintendant. So who do you have to thank for this? Certanily not the superintendant. I would say you have your school board members to thank. What a shame they were so short sighted to do this NOW during the school year and not wait until the school year was completed. That would have made much more sense than to do this now. Bad planning on their part to disrupt an entire school system for such nonsense.

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Actually, Mama, there was no good time to do this.

This particular situation started in November of 2011 when Tim SOWecke met attorney Markling at the Ohio Association of School Boards conference in Columbus. Attorney Markling was offering 10 free hours of service and SOWecke had a 'certain project' he personally wanted Markling to investigate.

You don't really think that the 3 Stooges took the school year(s), the students, or the taxpayers into consideration before striking out on this journey ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold..you say this all started in November 2011. Very interesting because Kevin Asher made a public statement in June that Mr. Sowecke attended an OASB meeting in Janaury 2012 and supposedly shared said information. Mr. Sowecke has always maintained that he never claimed to have met Markling at the OASB conference. So which is it, Sold? Sounds like the Fox supporters cannot keep their stories straight. Could it be that it is easier to remember the truth than to remember a lie? Just asking :)

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TDN-
Easier to remember the truth ?
I was estimating when this started as WiredMama said they picked a bad time. Does it really matter if it started in November at the School Board conference or at another board event in January of 2012 ?

Where ever it started and whenever it started, it started with Tim SOWecke getting elected to the Huron Board of Education.

You keep grasping at straws. This is just more 'bottom feeder' BS, (Thanks for that Retiree !)

Tsu Dho Nimh

Now I am a "bottom feeder"? Wow, I will take that as a compliment.

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I always take it as a compliment when you have nothing to add to the post and resort to cheap shots at me. I really am not on trial here, TDN.

But, if the 'bottom feeder' shoe fits, wear it. What I actually said was more 'legal' BS, but used Retiree's favorite term.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sorry Sold and Tsu but Mama wasn't addressing you. Her rules ! :(

Tsu Dho Nimh

BTW, checked my records and Mr. Sowecke completed a requisition in January PRIOR to attending the conference and his mileage was for January 2012 - unlike Mr. Asher who put in a requisition AFTER he attended a conference and submitted a food receipt with a date that is prior to his round trip mileage date to Columbus. I have a copy of all the conference and travel purchase orders and reimbursements for all board members, including former member Nancy Bulea. She attended a conference and did not file a requisition for the trip until 5 weeks after the fact. Ohio law requires that it be submitted prior. Looks like Mr. Sowecke knows how to follow the rules :)

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Good homework, TDN !
Why would you ever submit a requisition before you went on the trip ?

The requisition is for reimbursement.. How can you be reimbursed before you go ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

It is real simple: Ohio law requires for public entities, and most employers do also, that a requisition be submitted for expenses. Then the treasurer issues a purchase order number. Once the purchase order number is issued, the employee can then order the item, go on the trip, make reservations, etc. Sometimes the employer submits a purchase order number to the vendor (such as booking a conference, ordering textbooks and such). Typically, the employee pays for the costs out of pocket and submits the expenses with the purchase order after the purchase/event. There is a special process for people who cannot follow the rules and that requires the treasurer to attach a then and now statement. That, my foolish friend, is how the process goes. Verify it with the treasurer.

Tsu Dho Nimh

"Purchases for goods and services are requested on an approved purchase requisition. Purchase requisitions must be created and approved before a commitment is made to a vendor." Mr. Sowecke follows the law but the honorable Kevin Asher and the has-been Nancy Bulea apparently are exempt. Oh yea, I forgot to mention that Fred Fox approved the late purchase requisitions just like he approved 10 years of purchases from Huron Cement.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sorry to inform you Sold but Mama wasn't addressing her comment to you. Her rules are not to respond to her unless she has addressed you !

Justme...

Wired - you really are clueless, yet you post as if you know what you are talking about. This process began at the end of the last school year.

wiredmama222

Justme....Why is it that you need to be so insulting? Can you not speak to me without doing so? When do I insult you when speaking to you?...try never. I just don't understand people who have to do that. I guess you must feel threatened or you are just that impolite in real life. Whatever.

Whenever the process started, your school board IS responsible for the downfall and this mess. If the school is having trouble keeping things going now, as reported, they have no one to blame but themselves. Trouble breeds more trouble. It always has and always will. What a shame that those who suffer the most are the kids. I feel sorry for them.

Justme...

..."as reported" by a couple of bloggers. AGAIN, just becuase they say it doesn't make it so. And I'm sorry I was insulting. Truely. Some will say this started with the board and some will say it started with the superintendent.

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Nice post, Justme !
Shows some class.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Wired... the board removed Mr. Fox from his position prior to the school year and the deputy superintendent was hired in August. As far as when was the last time the board held a meeting that addressed the real concerns of educating kids, that was the October board meeting. The reason they could get back to business is because the board president apologized for allowing a particular citizen get out of control in September (Fred Fox's mouthpiece - aka Mr. Ice Cream)and this citizen does not have what it takes to get up and address the board in the public portion when a police officer is present. It is Fred Fox's friends that get ugly when addressing the board and tries to 'bring up dirt' on everyone.

wiredmama222

TDN....Perhaps so, whatever the reason that this mess started, and whoever the worm can was opened by, it created a real mess. I don't think those closest to the situation see it for what it really is. That's pretty normal when you live in a mess such as this. Perhaps the best view is from a distance where the big picture is the clearest and you aren't as "involved" as those who are living it.

From outside we see it much differently. We see a bunch of people arguing over some really petty differnces that could have been handled much differntly and much better. This mess could have been handled discreetly, in private, without making a mockery of anyone's life. The school board could have quietly and discreetly called Mr Fox in and given him their complaints. They could have asked him to get council and then told him he was fired for just cause had they felt they had reason. Instead they chose to embarrass him publically, accuse him publically of all kinds of things (some of which definetly turned out not to be true) and then turned this into a war zone that smacks of conspiracy, conduct unbecoming a board of education, liars, cheats, and groups of people being pulled one way and another on BOTH sides of the table.

It really looks bad for EVERYONE, not one group or the other. If the good people of Huron want to come out of this with some sort of dignity intact then someone needs to put a stop to this now. Someone needs to be the bigger person and say "ENOUGH" and stop the garbage and end this. Right now everyone looks like a good candidate for the Jerry Springer show.

The people of Huron don't need this. Truthfully, I thought there was more dignity than that in Huron, but there isn't. What a shame this is the example your kids are seeing. It isn't pretty. In fact, its down right ugly and I would think sooner or later some adult would realize this isn't the example they want to set for the kids of Huron and put a stop to it.

It isn't the "supporters of Fox" or the "supporters of the board", its about the kids and nothing more. When someone realizes THAT, then maybe they will grow up enough to realize they are hurting the very people they are pretending to protect. Right now, they aren't protecting anyone.

Darwin's choice

Great post!

Tsu Dho Nimh

Wired... I agree with you that this has got out of hand but that is where my agreement ends. There are several allegations against Mr. Fox that cannot be ignored, no matter how ugly this gets. In March, the evidence that supported the allegations were available. Three board members wanted to pass it along to the OEC and ODE but 2 board members wanted to ignore it. This is supported by public records. According to the policies of the OEC and ODE, if in doubt, the board should err on the side of caution and submit the allegations. This is not my opinion rather it is the policy and the board needed to follow it. Kevin Asher is the one board member who has consistently put the negative out in the public light. The Three Stooges, as Sold refers to them, until filing in response to Kevin Asher's request for an injunction, have not spoken publicly against the two board members. Kevin Asher has spoken time and time again against the three at board meetings. His grandstanding was not in response to questions from the audience but planned speeches. He submitted a letter to the Huron Hometown News, which was full of untruths that can be proven by public records, and called the other board members liars.

If Mr. Asher and Mr. Caporini would have agreed to do the right thing in March, then this could have been handled differently. Everytime the issue settles down and the community does not focus on the Fred Fox fiasco, Keven Asher files something or makes a public statement. The bottom line is that Fred Fox has done numerous things that violates the guidelines of ODE and possibly the OEC. Just because it has become ugly does not mean that we drop it.

I personally do not have a personal connection to anyone involved, unlike Sold. However, I cannot as a taxpayer and a member of this community ignore what is going on. When this is all said and done, Wired, you will see how deep and tangled the roots are between Fred Fox and board members Asher and Caporini.

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Wow, Mama can you see that calling this 'conspiracy' three board members trying to do the right thing makes it sound all different ?

On and on and on. The 3 Stooges haven't an ounce of class or dignity and each has their own problem they are going to publicly need to deal with soon. TDN's heroes tried to blow this whole thing past Caporini and Asher as if they weren't paying attention. I guess they were ?

It is documented that the board's attorney outlined to the board how to introduce the Markling report in order to keep it between the OEC, the board and Fred Fox, but one member, (and I loosly refer to him as a member because the man has accomplished nothing but chaos), but one member decided to take this in his own hands and run with it to make the Markling report public and smear Fred Fox publicly. And there's actually a 2.5 million lawsuit against Tim SOWecke now for his actions.

TDN claims not to be 'involved' with anyone here, but I beg to differ. And because I would like to see Fred Fox get through this with 'his guarenteed by being an American rights in place', I have affiliation.

When this is all said and done there will be 9 happy attorneys, 3 recalled/convicted board members, 2 other board members un-re-electable, an unhappy lynch mob, and a superintendent doing the same job and eventually getting Kalahari back where they were.. Sharing with Huron.

Affiliations aside the 3 in majority think they make the rules, but unfortunately for them they don't have only TDN to answer, to.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold...contrary to what you believe, prior to this mess I only new people by name. I met Mr. Sowecke while in Ace Hardware and Mr. Caporini when paying a bill and shopping for basesment windows. I told you a long time ago that I am a move in. Apparently you think I am a young attorney from the area. I will take that as a compliment for what I have seen from him, I think he will have an impressive career.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sorry to inform you Sold but Mama wasn't addressing her comment to you. She was addressing Tsu. Her rules are not to respond to her unless she has addressed you !

Sit n Spin

Drum roll please........

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Hahahaha.. Ok Spinner.
I'm going to take a moment to read the info provided. RUKidding and PS you have hit the nail squarely on the head, and to roll it back a bit: Try finding out what kind of 'school business' has been done since Tim SOWecke was elected.

BRB..

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Bam ! There it is..

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Well that all was some 'interesting' reading.
I found this part to be especially interesting:

Motion to Strike; Page 4 of 6:
'Plainteff Asher and Superintendent Fox claim there were numerous illegal meetings held with Huron board members before the Feb 21, 2012 hiring of attorney Markling without the knowledge or presence of Asher or Fox'

'Because plainteff Asher and Superintendent Fox were not present during, or had no knowledge of such meetings held before the Feb 21, 2012 hiring of attorney Markling, how could either Asher or Fox testify to any facts based on personal knowledge ?'

Ok.. I am a man walking across a road on a cross walk.
I get hit by a car driven by one of the 3 Stooges.
I file suit that they/the Stooge drove through the crosswalk and hit me.
The Stooge(s) counter sue that because I wasn't in the car and had no knowledge that they were coming down the road, that they actually did not exist and the accident never happened ?

This mess is going to continue like a snowball rolling down hill picking up size and speed.

Neither opponent is giving up, nor I have a feeling will they.

Wouldn't it have been simpler to evaluate Fred Fox annually like his contract called for ?
(and by the way, this board missed 2 evaluations)

If Fred Fox was doing such a bad job why were his evaluations all top scores across the board ?

Why, instead of passing along the Markling report to the public, wouldn't this board use the Markling report as the basis for Fred Fox's evaluation, and 'grade' Fred Fox accordingly ?

Why wasn't doing their 'jobs' as they have been entrusted by Huron's voters to do, enough ?

Why did this threesome find it necessary to go above and beyond the accepted procedure and try to crucify Fred Fox in public ?

Why ?

Could it have anything to do with the fact that Fred Fox was still doing his job the way he always did and the threesome needed to smear him publicly in order to 'make a public case against' Fred Fox ?

All of these lawyers and legal talk and where is one ounce of 'school business' getting done ? I guess if the school system can go on 'business as usual' that we really don't need a board of education. (Especially not this one).

Justme...

Sold its not that hard to understand. If the meetings were in secret, how does Asher know they took place? Saying it doesn't make it so.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Justme...well said. Here is an example of the lies they tell: Asher and Caporini have stated publicly that they were not part of the selection process of the deputy superintendent and that the search was conducted in a rush manner. This is not true. Emails started the day after the mid-June meeting, when Mr. Fox was suspended from duty, regarding the search for an interim superintendent. The legal advice came from the board's attorney and the emails, and all 5 board members were recipients, told them to act immediately. Also, Mr. Caporini was suppose to be in attendance during the mid-July interview process with Mr. Fernbaugh. There is an email from the board president to Mr. Caporini a few days prior thanking him again for being part of the search committee and confirmed the date and time they were to meet with Mr. Fernbaugh. I do not know why Mr. Caporini did not attend but he most definitely was included in the process. What was the point in lying?

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You're right, JustYou, it's not that hard to understand that secret meetings ARE ILLEGAL ! Saying it's so means it's so.. Illegal.

Tsu Dho Nimh

You are right, Sold. The 3 board members held "secret" meetings just like John Caporini says he was not part of the screening/hiring process for the deputy superintendent.

"Lies eventually reveal the truth about those telling them."

donutshopguy

Sold,

Guess we don't need a superintendent too. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

As Mr. Fox's real estate buddy called it "Hot Huron".

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Hahaha.. Hot Huron !.. (That was good but Huron's not so hot anymore.. How about 'Lukewarm Huron' !)

Informed

Drew Legando certainly did his homework! He always was a brilliant guy, went to Georgetown I believe. Fox is toast and is grasping at straws with the help of Asher.

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Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal information.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal information.

Drew Legando

I have asked the moderators to remove Sold's comments, which contain inaccurate personal information about me. Anyone interested in my academic or professional credentials can visit my firm's website at www.teamlgm.com or contact me directly. Given the Rules of Professional Conduct, I cannot respond further to anonymous comments.

Informed

Another example of Sold not only ignoring and distorting facts, but also arguing with those who speak the truth.

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And Informed-
Nothing I posted was distorted or innaccurate in any way. Just because an attorney said it's so and the Register seemed to echo it does not make it innaccurate or distorted.

Attorney Legando tried to answer the post with his psuedonym and decided that wasn't enough. You continue to be led by someone who is not only involved in this mess, but is continually posting distorted facts.

I have one claim and have had it from the beginning, Informed:
Board member Tim SOWecke, after ilegally meeting with his other two cohorts, (or should I call them co-defendents ?), decided to take matters into his own hands and deliver the Markling report to the OEC making it a public document intended to smear Fred Fox. This is very simple to read and in no way distorted.

You and others continue to ignore Fred Fox's rights just as the 3 Stooges did. It is all right to aknowledge the truth as I continually do when it is posted no matter who it makes look bad.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I assure you, Sold on Nothing, that I am not Drew Legando, have never met Drew Legando, and do not even know which part of the Legando family he comes from. I am just an average citizen, who moved into this community, and have watch a few family names make up their own rules. I am just glad that the truth is coming out and that perhaps for once, someone will be held accountable (if guilty).

UgtaBkdnMe

Tsu,

Just made the connection when Sold wrote 'Attorney Legando tried to answer the post with his psuedonym and decided that wasn't enough'.(psuedonym/Tsu Dho Nimh) What an idiot for him to think that a reputable lawyer would even join in !

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You know UGTA-
Look who the idiot is here, (in the mirror), as when you go back what, 3 comments Drew Legando actually did post under his own name.

I'll figure out who you are next. Let me see.. I'll begin by looking at the real idiots and you should pop up.

As I have said in the past: You have nothing in the way of information to post here so I will not waste my time attempting to tell YOU the truth as I did above. Anyone with half a brain could have made that connection and Drew's sudden appearance just proves it.. Stupid.. lol

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold...there you go twisting the topic. You have said several times before Drew Legando posting that he was participating in the comments. Where are the 3 comments under the name Drew Legando? I can only find one where he called you out. You then back peddled and said that his has been joining the posts all along under a pseudonym (gee, it does not take a rocket scientist or an accountant at Ford to figure that one out). I will tell you again that I am not Drew Legando. Heck, a few months back you thought I was Mrs. Catri. Why do you care who I am and what difference does it make?

Sarah Weber

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Drew. The comments have been removed. Just a note to everyone, please do not post personal information about other users or story subjects. We cannot know what is good, vetted information and what someone has just made up. That's why it's included as inappropriate in our commenting guidelines. Thanks for your cooperation!

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So, Sarah-
Posters cannot post information here until it is posted on the pages of the Register ?

I, for one, know what the Register is printing and what the Register is either choosing not to print, or are just ignorring because you do not want to actually do investigative reporting. The key word source being: Investigate.

Your, (notice I say, your), newspaper allows the 'Toolgate' situation to go even though with one public information request to the Erie County Sheriff's Department or to the Auditor of Ohio you could end the debate ?

What I posted on here were the actual stats of Drew Legando's law school days. It was his grades, not how many beers he could down on his off time. Somehow, I believe you would have allowed me to post the beer information.

The key to this whole mess is Huron Board Member, Tim SOWecke, taking the Markling report and hand delivering it to the OEC even though his cohorts knew nothing about it and the board's attorney told him not to. Why not get to the bottom of this and shut us all up ?

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Nice of you to drop by Drew.
Listen.. All of this drama over your stats ?

Those stats are somehow nowhere in the link you provide ?

So for the rest that think I posted something dramatic and filled with lies, it was only Drew Legando's Law School stats as provided to me from one of his old classmates. I have no doubt that they are truthful as they were not terrible, but apparently enough to get at least Drew's attention.

I have posted many times that you are a fine young man, Drew. Huron is proud to have young men like yourself representing us. You are obviously not in agreement with my posts as you represent the 'dark side' of this issue.

One question that I guess I know the answer to as most attorneys involved here don't care one way or another what's left of Huron when this is over: You honestly believe that Huron's taxpayers should pay between $50,000 and $60,000 for the Markling report ?

I know.. Just doing your job.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Again, Sold, what is your facination with Drew Legando? His only involvement is that he is the legal councel for three board members. Certainly you would agree that they are entitled to seek out legal councel!

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TDN-
It's not my fascination that should be in question here. It's yours DL.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I think it is fantastic that you think I am Drew because that tells me that you think I have intelligent, fact based opinions. However, I think it is unfair to keep dragging his name into this.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold,

Why would you even request Drew's law school stats ? That's just creepy. His academics don't relate to this mess. Sounds like his filing makes you nervous !

wiredmama222

May I ask why the answers were all based on "real estate" basis for standings when it came to answers from the board? I don't understand how that had anything to do with the charges against the board. When I read them and then researched them, it made no sense to me. They don't seem to fit the actual charges being filed. What is up with that? They seem to be filed as a "standing as an individual taxpayer purpose" instead of an employee of the board of education. How can that be used as Mr. Fox was still and employee when this happened? Also Mr. Asher was a board member, not just a taxpayer. How do any of those standing and suits meet the requirements. Explain please?

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Mama-
There's a lot on both sides that doesn't fit, or make sense. The 'counter injunction/suit' says that Kevin Asher, as a Board Member cannot claim to be a tax payer, although ultimately he is.

Legal mumbo jumbo.. Each cites all the way to the supreme court.

I would like to see, (given the facts that have been presented), who in this mess would have done it all over again.

UgtaBkdnMe

You weren't clear who you were posing this question to. Is is fair for anyone to answer ? Just wanting to make sure !

Tmm

Jesus fing christ - why can't you morons wait until a ruling is made by thoses entities that have the power to make a ruling before you go spouting off at the mouth. Honestly you all are a bunch of losers! To be honest, I hope each and every person involved in this mess gets to the point where medication and mental therapy is needed on a daily basis - get that sold - wait, you already are on that schedual.

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Great post, Tmm !
Well until you had to get it in that I'm on a meds sched.. I would like to have therapy everyday, though.

The post still makes a lot of sense. Lawyers are going to fight this thing back and forth and they are going to say things that are true and things that are not. In the end.. It will be the end.

wiredmama222

TMM....This is a posting board. Why do you want anyone to wait for posting their opinions until a ruling is made? Opinions are just opinions, not statements of actual FACTS. You seem to be getting terribly upset over people's opinions. Why?

No one here is a moron for stating what they think. They have every right to state their thoughts, whether right or wrong and they are not harming anyone or any thing.

If it upsets you so much, I have a suggestions. Simply stop reading them. Perhaps you are too close to this situation and if it is upsetting you to this point, perhaps it would be better if you didn't read them.

But if you continue to read, expect opinions to be stated right and left and expect them to be contrary to YOUR beliefs. You cannot stop them no matter how hard you try. Not everyone sees things or believes things as you do.

So take a deep breath and relax, because it will be awhile before any of this goes to court for a ruling as you state. And between now and then, many opinions will be stated: not all to your liking. That does not make the person stating them mentally deficient or in need of mental therapy. Nor does it make them losers or anything of the kind. That is just plain mean and I don't believe you mean that at all. I think you have a better head than that. I hope I am right about it.

All of us must remember that no one here has including me has all the answers nor do we have the right or wrong anwers. We have opinions that may or may not be right or wrong. As I have said many times this is all appearances and perceptions at this point, nothing more or less.

Until this DOES go to court or more information is released, all we can do is base our opinions on the facts that have been released and what we see.

rickross2

I for one am over this whole debacle. Fire everyone and start over. There problem solved. The only thing that will change after this is the size of the schools bank account, and the amount of donations made from Kalahari.

srblogger

Hey Sold,, while at work today my boss told me i couldnt use company email to talk to my wife. He said I was there to work, I responded i am on salary, i am always on the clock. so you shouldnt be telling me I can't email my wife at 10am. Who do you think you are? Do you think im right Sold? who is he to say i can't. i dont have a start or finish time. im on salary to work as long as needed. anywhere from 8 to 24 hours.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Maybe you should get Pat Murray to represent you...lol

Huron_1969

Even better would be Attorney Asher....

Tsu Dho Nimh

True, but he is not licensed to practice in Ohio. He never has been!

Huron_1969

A license is no big deal..... these guys are above the law

wiredmama222

Huron 69....why is it that you could not answer my questions on the other pages before? I would really love to know the answers and would appreciate hearing them. Thanks.

Huron_1969

I did state my position in a clear and straightforward manner yet you continue to twist in the wind. You have no skin in the game and ignore the facts. While your writing skills are excellent, your comprehension has a lot to be desired

Tsu Dho Nimh

Huron... I thought your explanation was very clear and straight to the point. Either Wired has not read it or is an honor student at the Sold School of Spin.

Huron_1969

Back atcha...... but we will never stop mama and sold from hijacking the conversation

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So 69..
You call what you and TDN do, conversation ?

Sold this, Fred Fox that, Wiredmama those..
Yep.. You are really having a conversation.

Huron_1969

Yes, I do. Thank you for noticing

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69-
Get TDN's phone number so you can converse without me interupting it. Post here when you have something to post that I, and others, may talk about. You make the decision when you want to be included.

Huron_1969

Yes, I make my own decisions. Again, thank you for noticing

wiredmama222

I answered this on the other site, so just relax.

wiredmama222

I read your answers and thank you for them. I thought they would be here as well as over there. Thanks. I answered them over on the other side. While I don't agree with all of what you wrote, I do understand what you are talking about.

wiredmama222

Huron 69...I read your answers. Thank you. I do comprehend, but I don't always agree with what I read. I am not ignorning facts. What I am doing is looking through eyes that are NOT directly connected with living there. That is the difference. I see it very differently than you, that is all. I also see it from the POV of the denial of due process, the denial of someone's rights. Two wrongs never make a right. I see people anxious to cause a problems and a group of people anxious to cause one person pain. That is never right. To fire should have been enough. Simple and plain should have been enough. To cause harm and pain is never right. Never. It isn't your place, your right or your business. When that happens, you all crossed the line. You became a mob, a vindictive and out of control mob. That is never right. If you look at it from a distance and not being involved, that is what you see. It is a shameful act. Not a pretty sight. I am not involved and that is what I see.

UgtaBkdnMe

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but you weren't invited to be part of this particular discussion. Consider this warning number one !

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Good one, 69 !
(This format is irritating. I want to hit a 'LIKE' button on posts like this one and can't).

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Hahaha.. Good one, TDN !

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SR-
I believe it is up to the company to make policies and then we have to follow them. If it is in fact a government job you can probably grievence your boss and really make him mad and eventually he will find a reason to fire you.

Hope you have friends that stand by you when that happens !

Julie R.

Huron is full of troublemakers --- always was and always will be. Those former Huron judges sure were troublemakers, too. Big time.

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Julie R-
Drew is Coach Legando's nephew. Nice kid from a nice family.
(Drew, I see you didn't find this a problem ? You are a nice kid from a nice family. I only hope the best for you and your future).

BAM272

The whole situation is a red hot steaming pile of $hit. No one is ever going to know the truth. All of the parties involved need to resign so the school district can move forward. This distraction is taking away from our children's education,i t is embarrassing the citizens of Huron, and lastly, will not end without costing the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. What an absolute shame and disgrace. Enough said.

wiredmama222

Bam is right. Those of us "watching' are in total agreement with you. It is a real shame and we feel sorry for your children. We hear a great deal of moral outrage but see little of moral fiber in the care given to the kids. It seems that the board cares little about their actual education and more about getting even. The superintendent and some of the board members are fighting so badly that no one really cares what happens to these kids.

When is someone over there going to grow up and say enough is enough? These kids have seen enough drama..stop the fighting and start showing these kids what forgiveness looks like. You want to show them what morales really are? Act morally and politely to one another rather than like you all have parts on Jerry Springer. Stop the madness.

Darwin's choice

+1000 !!

Justme...

The Jerry Springer madness you speak of is ocurring on this blog, not in the buildings.

luvblues2

This isn't a blog. It's a comment section. And, the PDFs prove that it is a "Jerry Springer" like tirade. Also, think of those young adults that are old enough to understand when they see this online. What is it showing them? Not to trust their supposed authority?

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You are correct, LuvBlues2..

Comment section that will eventually solve nothing.

My suggestion at this time, (not unlike my theories in the 60's), is do NOT trust authority when they will do almost anything to get rid of you. It's best to monitor authority. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer !

wiredmama222

oh, please do you really think the kids are not getting this?

UgtaBkdnMe

You might be crossing the line because BAM didn't really ask for a response. We will let this one slide !

Bland

As a lot of people said, you are correct in your post BAM. Unfortunately, its people like Sold who will submit a different argument every time they are confronted with the truth, eventually contradicting themselves.

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People like Sold.. Wow !
Are you saying there's something different about me, Bland ?
The color of my skin ? My education ? My cousin who is gay ? My opinion ?
Tell you what oh knows it all..
Point out two of my 'eventual contradictions'.

So what is it critics and 3 Stooges hero worshipers:
1) Do I say the same thing over and over;
or,
2) Do I contradict myself ?
or,
3) Do I continue to say that Fred Fox's rights were violated ?

I vote for 3, and the rest of you are more than welcome to see my point. And hopefully you will never be subjected to a similar situation where your 'superiors' decide to take out a full page front page ad with allegations about you.

Bland

Haha. I only put that in there to see how long of a response I would get. I couldn't care less.

Bland

I do wish for the issue to be resolved soon though. That is my only concern.

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Hahaha... Good one, Bland. Me too !

PS.. My cousin's not really gay.. lol

Bland

And Elvis isn't dead.

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No.. I really have no gay cousins.. lol

Informed

Wired,none of this controversy is being conducted in the school buildings. The kids are doing just fine. Maybe you should worry a little more about your own school district's education. But thanks for your concern.
This whole mess started because Fox's huge ego made him think he was above everyone else and could do what he wanted when he wanted. So because it's ugly (and these things almost always are), it should just be ignored or dropped? I don't think so.
If you want to point the blame finger, you left out this newspaper.

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For once, AMEN Informed.

Don't leave out the instigator.

wiredmama222

how many teens or tweens were at ANY of those meetings? How many kids know of any of this? Perhaps your smaller kids don't know but I will lay odds your older ones do.

Justme...

I can't speak for everyone, but I have kids at HHS, and they and their friends couldn't care less about this. Kids have their own drama, and I'm always amazed at how little they know or care about adult drama. I don't believe any kids attended any meetings, unless you were there a saw otherwise? In the beginning, some kids read the salacious details but have since lost interest. Maybe other parents have different experiences. I'm speaking from my experience, not speculation.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Young people have not been at these meetings. Anyone who has been in attendance will verify this.

UgtaBkdnMe

It is okay that you answered this question, Tsu, because it appears to be open to anyone.

wiredmama222

It never ceases to amaze me that young adults will find online the things you think they do not know. Every talk to some young adults (ages 15*18) they know things you do not think they know and pay attention to things you don't think they pay attention to. My husband and I had the privilege of having five of them at our house overnight one night: two from Huron, two from Perkins three from Margaretta. WOW, what they know is shocking and they know a LOT more than given credit for. They understand even more. NEVER underestimate them. NEVER. How they see their parents and adults today is a shocking wake up call. I must say, they see all of us with eyes that are frighteningly more adult than we give them credit for.

They know much more than we did at their age...much more. And they see it with an intelligence that we didn't have at their ages. They talk with at TO one another. They hold their values to be very HIGH and very valuable to themselves. They are INGRAINED within themselves and their minds are solid. They know what they want and they pretty much know where they are going by age 15 and 16. We talked about all kinds of things.

You know, they will tell grandparents things they WONT tell parents. That is a fact. Especially when they know it isn't going any further. We have a pact. We know more about them than their parents will ever know. As long as it isn't against the law, won't harm them or hurt them....it stays right here. But these kids are smart. My Huron kids know all about this mess. ALL about it. More than the adults and they do not like it. In fact, they think it stinks. They are aware of what is going on and they are ashamed of it. they are unhappy with it as are their friends.

Most of the kids feel that way with few exceptions. They think their parents are WRONG for following the board. But they won't tell YOU that.
So for what it is worth. Your kids do know and they won't tell you that you are wrong....out of fear. They just say they don't care any more because they have heard enough. How sad is that one.

Justme...

It is amazing how much you know (tongue implanted firmly in cheek) about all kids based on the 2 you had at your house. That you believe you have a handle on what most kids think, with few exceptions...wow. I can only speak for my kids, though - no one elses. It is amzazing that you can ALSO speak for my kids. Again...wow. You actually know that they disagree with me (how do you know they even know my opinion on it?) but won't tell me out of fear. Wow. I'm speechless.

wiredmama222

I see where you could take it that you think I was talking about YOUR kids when I am not. I was talking about Huron kids in general. Many of the "Huron kids" understand exactly what is going on and will just express what their parents want to hear because they are sick and tired of hearing about it. That is what I meant to say. NOT specifically YOUR kids.

Believe me, the older kids in Huron see a lot more than you adults over there want them to see. They want this "adult nonsense" (I am quoting what was told to me) to just stop and go away. They are pretty embarassed by the adult nonsense. They feel silly that so much is being made over it. "just fire him and be done with it" is what I was told. So you see, they, to, want it over and done with. I have to agree. This was handled badly. No big deal, but the so called adults in this mess sure did a bang up, cracker jack job of turning a simple affair into a mess. And you sure got a lot of help from the SR. Great job.
Right or wrong, your board didn't do ITS job. You all have to live with that one.

So I apologize if my writing implied that I know what YOUR kids think. I don't and never will. If you say they think like you, then so be it. I just know what the two over here said about them and their friends and they do not agree, and neither do their friends. They think this is an embarrassmaent to their schools and their town. They are not happy with it and they wish it would just stop. Especially the seniors who are looking forward to graduation this coming spring. They hope this ends by then. They don't want to deal with this mess at that time. Can you blame them?

Justme...

Just fire him and get it over with is what A LOT of people think, so I'm not surprised some kids think it as well. My perception, though, is that they spend little or no time talking about it amongst themselves, unless adults bring it up. And I never said my kids think like me. In fact, they don't know what I think, so if they do think like me, its purely coincidence. My opinion, and my opinion only, is that they don't perceive this as a big issue that's getting in the way of their lives, which are far more interesting and important (in their minds). What's going on in this comment section is not a reflection what's going on in kid-world.

wiredmama222

Thst is YOUR opinion. Mine differs greatly given the conversation. But you have every right to your opinion. I will respect that. Enough said.

RUKidding

I disagree. The smaller kids that knew Mr. Fox have no idea that he's not there right now and when they see Mr. Fernbaugh now they don't know who he is. How are they supposed to be taught to respect authority when the authority figures are being disregarded. Then there are children that are falling through the cracks because of staff members not doing their jobs to the fullest and why should they? Everybody is pre-occupied with this mess.

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Good points, RUK !

Julie R.

All the attorneys involved in this, I was becoming a bit confused as to who went with who, especially after I saw that the Akron law firm of Hannah, Campbell, & Powell were involved. (I have a real good TRUE story I could tell about the 'conspiracy' in the court of Binette and a snake attorney from that firm that occurred 3 days after I filed complaints in the Eeerie County probate court against a bunch of Huronites and a Lorain County attorney) Anyway, I think I have it straight now.

Asher and Murray are saying that the firing of Fred Fox was a vendetta by 2 of the board members. The vendetta stems from --- when Fox was with the Milan school district, he reported Coach Legando's teacher son for having a relationship with a student and as a result the son lost his teacher's license. Two of the board members behind the firing of Fox are related to the Legandos. Donna Green is Coach Legando's ex-sister-in-law and the aunt to the coach's son and Tim Soweke is an uncle by marriage ..... and now the attorney that is representing Soweke and Green is Drew Legando, who may (or may not be) Coach Legando's nephew.

You have to admit, it sure does sound fishy. Could even explain why Fox's affair was exposed to the public.

What a mess you Huronites have caused! (not that it surprises me any)

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Julie R-
You left out Scott Slocum, board president. He's affiliated with the other 2 Stooges and some say it's because of his being 'blackmailed' into it because of something he did to get fired from his job.

Hahaha.. This is truly the Jerry Springer Show !

I agree with all who have said that someone needs to worry about the Huron students' education. Luckily someone is. The Huron teachers and administrators are doing their jobs in the usual manner.

It all goes back to a simple fact. This whole situation should have been handled in executive session with the results being given in open session to the press. This is not 'sweeping under the rug'.. This is the legal way that it was supposed to done. If this protocal had been followed, I for one, would not have one post on here.

PS.. Drew Legando is Tony Legando, Sr's nephew. Am I allowed to state that here, Attorney, Drew ? Or are you going to run to the Register and have that remark strikken from the record ? (The actual 'trial' is not going to be this easy, DL).

Tsu Dho Nimh

Slocum was not black mailed into anything. Out of all the the allegations in this entire mess, that has to be the dumbest thing I have heard. Mr. Slocum, I believe, has always been about doing the right thing. However, in the past he was out numbered by "derierre kissing" members that thought the sun rose and set in Fred Fox's behind. Now we have three members who are willing to do what the others would not. Wonder how much money the district paid to Huron Cement during the last 18 years? Some years were over $10,000 and some years as little as $1,500. Nonetheless, it was ILLEGAL the entire time. Pull the records and you will see that he did NOT sell goods and services at cost. Asher plays by the same crooked rules that that Fox and some others play by and his loyalty goes back to his adolescent years. I'm guessing Nancy Bulea just had a huge crush on the man...lol.

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Wow, TDN..
All of that came out of no where.

Scott Slocum has lost his job and for a reason we don't know. Why don't you spend a little of your research to get to the bottom of that.

Tsu Dho Nimh

I do not care why Mr. Slocum lost his job. If you can show me that his work performance with any of his employers is connected to the situation (such as violating ethic laws, taking advantage of his position as a board member), then I would be curious. If you do not have any information, then please drop the topic.

Justme...

Sold, since you are the one making these statements, why don't YOU do some research. You may just find this to be a total lie.

donutshopguy

Sold,

The principal at Shawnee school, who is the SR woman of the year, is doing a great job. Think how much better of a job she could have done if Superintendent Fox had not used her as an excuse to cover his affair during school hours. She would be doing her job rather than in court to protect her integrity and good name.

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Donut-
If not for Fred Fox, said principal would not have a job in Huron and would be doing a great job somewhere else. Maybe that's what she wishes now, but Fred Fox hired her because she was a capable administrator not as his aliby.

I truly feel bad that THAT is what people thought and gossiped about.
**Addition.. Please read above statement again ! People gossiped about Shawnee's principal having an affair with Fred Fox. That is a bad thing because of the way it made her feel. I am not overlooking that, but like I also previously said: She got the job from Fred Fox. He believed in her and now it shows that he was right.

srblogger

agree with shopguy. Huron schools are running like a well oiled machine right now. its a confident group of people and the kids are still atop erie county in the testing results. our honor roll students are at an all time high, its going very well. I dont care what happened with the Legando's. The point being is the BOE's 3 amigos steered up some dirt that they found while searching thru school emails. If he does this at home on his yahoo or hotmail or aol or whatever, if he leaves the principal alone. if he keeps it all to himself. he doesnt have any of this mess. Sold, he has nobody but himself to point the fingers at.

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SR-
I'm also happy with the school's smooth running as it just illustrates what a job Fred Fox has done putting it all in place. Fred Fox is good at what he does and that hand full of email should have warrented a private reprimand. That really is all the Amigos have.. Obviously Fred wasn't hiding them ?

And.. He did nothing with the principal besides what people assumed. Truly sad.

srblogger

he obviously was good at what he did, his wife didnt even know! imagine that Sold. and what makes you think what he did just "warrented" a reprimand? in most jobs you'd be fired for that, including his.

wiredmama222

what wife EVER knows her husband is having an affair? What purpose did this board have for embarrassing this family like this? Why didn't they just fire him after discussing this in executive session as prescribed by law? Why put his whole family through this in public if not to publically humiliate him and his family is just collateraly damage? Why?

Tsu Dho Nimh

If Fred Fox did not want his family humiliated, then he should not conducted the affair during the standard 7am - 4pm hours and should not have used school email. He has had enough master's level courses and professional development that has thoroughly covered behaviors and consequences of an educator's behavior on school time and with school equipment. Please stop blaming the 3 board members for addressing his behavior. As a public official, the citizens have a right to know what he does during his professional time.

There you go again

Maybe Fox was retaliating from his wife's affair at her place of work ( the former Delphi)!!!!! Gees, what a soap opera in that family.

wiredmama222

That may very well be, buy what reason did the board have for the embarrassment? It appears to be an effort to humiliate pure and simple. This is all wrong. I still maintain a simple firing is sufficient unless there is an ulterior motive. I began to think there was one after listening to all this come out. Boards dont' do this. Least ways none I have ever seen and I have lived in three different states. Nope this is something else. You have a big problem here. No wonder he got a lawyer.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Apparently you do not remember the firing of Dr. Monaghan in your own district around 12 years ago. The woman was never given an evaluation, never was given any feedback about her job performance and BAM, out of no where she was fired! If I recall, her husband is an attorney and unfortunately for her, she was just stuck with the board's decision. Personally, I always thought she was a victim of the board and that they had a personal motive. St. Mary's was lucky to get her.

UgtaBkdnMe

OOOOOO, going to have to whip out warning number two ! Sold was talking to SR. One more butting in will cause us to report you to the moderators !

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