Fox court documents allege 'conspiracy'

An attorney for Huron superintendent Fred Fox has filed court documents outlining an alleged "conspiracy" to get Fox fired.
Jessica Cuffman
Nov 12, 2012

 

The 37-page document is a narrative of why and how Fox believes three school board members have conspired to oust him from his top spot at the school. Fox was ousted after a law firm hired by the district issued a report alleging Fox carried on an improper business relationship with a district vendor, improperly submitted expenses for reimbursement related to a April 2011 trip to Arizona, and was involved in an extramarital affair on school time using school computers and email.

Read a PDF of the court filing posted below.

For more on two pending lawsuits related to the saga, pick up a copy of Monday's Register.

Comments

Tmm

Bob Reno - no absolutly not. One of his ex empolyees - yep.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold,

Are you calling the teachers rats?

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UgtaBe-
Nice to see you poking your head out of your hole again !

It was a rat analogy genious.. Rats top to bottom. If you could actually decipher on the level that it was written, you would have seen it as the compliment to the teachers that it was. I din't know you would resurface or I would have dumbed it down.

UgtaBkdnMe

Yes, I poke my head out of my hole. Now pull your head out of your a** !

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold,

That's rich, you call TDN a parrot yet you're the one who does nothing but squawk ! Squawk ! Squawk !

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold,

You call TDN a parrot yet all you ever do is squawk ! Squawk ! Squawk !

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Compare our posts, Ugta..
You, like TDN, have nothing to add here. My suggestion, and it's only a suggestion, is for you to really try to come up with something original that PROVES that Fred Fox did something wrong. I really hate to harp on this, but your heroes are criminals.

Get busy Ugta.. I will be amazed if you can come up with anything besides your usual: Oh Sold you suck.. Sold you squawk squawk.. C'mon pal..

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Attention !
All of you fans and supporters of the 3 rogue board members..

Kevin Asher stands to gain what from this injunction ?
1) Not one dollar, (That apparently he could have bought a bus with)..
2) Popularity.. (Right)
3) The start of his re-election campaign.. (Not advisable)

So line up and tell all of us where Kevin Asher stands to gain from this injunction ?

Let me repeat, (hahaha.. repeat), what HE WILL GAIN: Self respect.

Kevin Asher does not want Huron Taxpayers to pay for an illegaly generated slanted piece of garbage that allows all of you to have an opinion, (but you/we want to pay $60,000 for it right Retardee ? It will make it true. Wait.. Why don't we buy 60,000 buses with that money ? I hear the stand in super may be interested in selling some to pay his legal fees ? Maybe he, like Retardee doesn't know that only the board can sell busses. Even for a dollar.

**Sorry deputy super.. You may be a fine mercenary, but you sure picked a heck of a place to pick up that huge check that the current BOE gave you because the pickings for a new/stand in super were pretty slim when they found out about you 3.

UgtaBkdnMe

Asher wouldn't recognize self respect if it bit him in the butt but thanks for the laugh ! Do you feel important now that you've called Retiree retarded ? You sure do show your intelligence by slipping in insults about the deputy superintendent. You da man, Sold !

srblogger

kevin asher's injunction is simple. Sidetrack the minds of those deciding on the problem at hand.

lets lead them on a wild goose chase and not worry about the wrong things done by mr fox.

AX SOLD this is the oldest trick in the book. A good judge, and a good defensive lawyer will tell them lets stop the foolishness and get right down to the facts.

Explain why you used the schools email to conduct an affair with a women from fremont

Explain your absentees

Explain the golf discounts

After all we cant just throw this under the rug. Hard working tax payers deserve the answers.

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Ax Sold ? Are you talking to me ?

Learn to spell and puncuate and I will answer..

Hahaaha.. Just kidding pal. It's all been explained and I won't risk the wrath of the group here by re-explaining it just for you.

Here's a very short version which should lead you back to the beginning where it says COMMENT 1. Read from there !

Emails: Allowed to use.
Golf: Allowed to be discounted.
Absentees: Never happened.

Post again when you catch up !

UgtaBkdnMe

Except the department of education says that emails for personal use is a big no-no ! Someone posted a link on a previous post a month or so ago. He did take a day not related to the arizona conference and did not report it as a vacation day. That was in records on a register link, you moron !

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I'm the moron ? Haahhaa.. Oh please.

Ugta.. No more wasted time on you.

You read something from some lawyer and it's true. Right ?

So read the supporting document on this thread. Words from a lawyer that actually are true.

Fred Fox did nothing criminal, but when this is over there will be fines paid.. but not by Fred Fox.

srblogger

ako sold,

answer in yes or no please.

Did Fred Fox get discounted prices to play golf? yes or no

Did Fred Fox use school email to have a relationship with a fremont principal? yes or no

you dont need to explain anything else, a simple yes or no if you would please.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sandusky,

Ako Sold doesn't have the ability to give a simple answer !

Julie R.

Sold: Just out of curiosity, who in this "conspiracy lawsuit" is being represented by the Akron (or is it Cleveland) law firm of Hannah, Campbell & Powell? Wasn't Murray supposed to state that in his Certificate of Service? Who also is the attorney from that firm that is representing whoever? Wasn't Murray supposed to state that, too? After all, one doesn't hire an entire law firm.

Imataloss

A certificate of service is a form of proof of service and need only state the date and method of delivery. It does not need to name a person or who they represent - only where it was delivered to. While it would be a courtesy to the viewing public to name the attorney and who they represent, it is not required.

Julie R.

If a Certificate of Service needs only to state the date and method of delivery and where it was delivered to but does not have to give the name of the attorney or the name of the party that the attorney is representing, how would that be proof that the other parties and their attorneys have been served?

Rule 29(5a) states: Proof of service shall contain, or be accompanied by, a statement that all parties required to be served have been served, together with a list of names, addresses, and telephone numbers of counsel indicating the name of the party or parties each counsel is representing.

Imataloss

What Rule 29(5a) are you referring to?

Julie R.

Instead of asking me what Rule I'm referring to, why don't you direct me to the Rule that you are referring to that says a certificate of service need only to state the date and method of service and does not need to name the attorney or the person the attorney is representing.

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Hahaha.. Julie R, are you asking for legal advise on here ?

Drew Legando being listed is the curious part.

Julie R.

I'm not seeking legal advice. I just asked the commenter who gave the Rules on Certificates of Service for the number of that Rule. I honestly have never seen a Certificate of Service like Murray's. I always thought a Certificate of Service had to state the name of the attorney and the name and/or names of his clients.

So once again, who in this fiasco is being represented by that Akron law firm and who is the attorney from that firm that is representing him? Don't any of you Huronites on here know the answer? You all certainly seem to know everything else!

Retiree

Wow,it looks like Sold's so called friend are not as many as he thinks. Sold, go back and read what was said. The protocol for selling a school bus is in the Ohio Revised Code. The code states who can sell the buses and it is not the superintendent. Since Fox gave his approval to sell the bus for a dollar, he violated the law. Not only was he wrong, he ordered a mechanic to change the oil and fill the vehicle with fuel. This was done at Huron's taxpayer's expense. Then the person who drove the bus to its unknown destination, put in for mileage, round trip,and a meal. This was also on the taxpayer's dollar.
This is a violation of the Ohio Revised Code. That is why helicopters were ordered by the state to search for the missing bus. Also, the title to the missing bus is not in the perpetrators possession.
I would like to inform you that "self phrase is no phrase". You are showing exactly how much education you really have by calling people names. It is time to grow up and start acting like a man and stop retrogressing back to your younger years. You must realize that this matter is completely out of your hands. Whatever you say in trying to convince everyone that you are right is not working. My mind is made up along with everyone else, whether Fox is guilty or not. Is it "not" in my power or yours to decide what his punishment will be. I feel sorry for the Huron taxpayer because they want the school system to be financially stable. Prior to the investigation,taxpayer dollars were be spent for everything purchased in threes. Three weed trimmers, three chain saws, three sets of tools. These are only a few items that were purchased in threes. Then two thirds of those tools came up missing, police were involved, an arrest was about to be made. Then it was squashed by the super, the cameras were turned off and the tools returned. That is like getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar. This became known as "toolgate".

Julie R.

So what's the big deal about a school bus and tools and the Ohio Revised Code? I mean, it's not like anybody in Erie County ever follows the O.R.C., anyway. Attorneys sure don't. Neither do your Erie County public officials. (a good example the former auditor that authorized a fraudulent transfer of property that caused serious defects in the title and a former recorder that knowingly filed fraud documents) In fact, your Erie County courts don't follow the O.R.C. laws, either. (they don't even follow the Rules for Professional Conduct much less the law)

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Retiree-
Great post ! And now you will definately receive my respect because it was as respectful as I think you can muster on this whole subject.

I do not comment on 'Toolgate' because for one thing it is not a part of why Fred Fox is in the crosshairs for this termination.

For another thing, you surely seem to know a whole lot more about it than I do.

The third reason I have not talked about this is what I told you before: The superintendent does not sell school busses.

Now.. What I have heard is this was the old band bus which was owned by the band, but stored by the school. That bus was definately not used to transport students anymore and had already been sold to the band for $1, years ago.

Listen, Retiree.. You and I both know this whole thing is out of our hands, but the opposistion wants to continually go over the lies that have been spread. I am just opposing their view and also their 'facts'.

You keep yelling about 'bottom feeders' and all I see is attorneys on all sides doing their jobs and ultimately getting paid by Huron's taxpayers. They are only doing what the are paid to do and you and I are actually in agreement that there are lawyers that are 'bottom feeders'. In this whole mess, though, the worst of the scum suckers are the football coach and his 3 minions.. I mean Huron BOE members who are causing the 'bottom feeders' to have a job.

Huron's schools are financially stable for now. And since the lawyer's fees will probably be paid for through the school's liability insurance this isn't the big problem, either.

I know you don't even live in Huron, but I believe Huron's taxpayers deserve much better leadership from our board than what this one is giving. The only thing most people know about Fred Fox, or 'Toolgate', or anything else we have all spent time discussing is because of the illegally ordered Markling report which is full of half truths and even worse Markling's slant on the truth. So.. The document that this whole line of 'cospiracy' discussion is about, needs to be read by the same people who formed their opinion(s) because of the Markling report.

I don't know about the arrests and the helicopters.. lol.. but I do know that having read both reports and knowing what I know.. The 'Conspiracy' report is a whole lot more accurate than the Markling report. Not an opinion, just the facts man.

I appreciate your civility in your last post and will always return civility with civility.

ps.. The people who post here call me names, spell badly, tell me how terrible I am every time I do just what they do. I don't care. A man's career has been compromised by some innaccurate stories that were made public by a man committing a crime by doing it. And his 'bottom feeder' told him not to.

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold,

It has not been proven that there is anything illegal about the Markling Report. Time will show if it is or not. You don't know that it is so drop the "illegal" part !

UgtaBkdnMe

Retiree,

Sold will never acknowlege the truth on this one. But the truth is that Freddy boy and the bus garage supervisor have a friendsip that goes back to high school. That relationship is what got the supervisor hired and promoted. Freddy Boy also has a friendship with Kevin Asher that goes back to high school. Asher has even been part of the previous "team building outings". Just a bunch of good old boys thinking they are deserving. Either Sold on Nonsense is clueless or is a part of this crooked bunch.

Huron_1969

Ummm..... Part of the old boys club is more like it, being a family tradition

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Not even close, fellas..

How about if I just woke up one day and read the Markling report and that's all I really knew ? Wait.. That's you !

(Jimmy Blodgett is in fact the Transportation Supervisor and yes an old friend of Fred's. Seems to me that at least we get some work out of Fred Fox's friends unlike those old criminals that are the coaches old friends ?)

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold,

Since you brought up the transportation guy's name, let's not forget to include that he was fired from BFI for theft. Do we see a pattern ?

Huron_1969

Good point Sold..... The missing school bus and tools probably was a lot of work, just not legal

UgtaBkdnMe

Ha ha ! Good one, Huron !

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Hahaha.. That was a good one, 69 !

UgtaBe-
Fired by BFI.. I'm thinking you are making claims about people you can't prove, son. Unless you have two or three lawyers coming up with your material I suggest you get a legal opinion before you go casting dispersions..

On the other cheek.. The Markling report is illegal on more than one level.
#1) Sunshine Law
#2) Sunshine Law
#3) Sunshine Law
(For those of you not deeply and definately legal experts, there are actually 3 counts of breaking the Sunshine Law for the one report. Well.. If you really want to be technical: 2 BOE members with 2 counts each and one BOE member with 3 counts so I guess you could say I should list them seperately and this would total 7 counts)..

UgtaBkdnMe

Sold, you are sooooooooooo sooooooooo wrong ! You just might be surprised to know who worked with him there.

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No sir.. I'm not wrong, I'm not in the loop on Jim's other jobs, but know for a fact that he has done a great job cleaning up the problems at the bus garage.

Are you saying you are a G-man, Ugta ?

Julie R.

So who in this case is being represented by an attorney from the Akron law firm of Hannah, Campbell & Powell and WHO is the attorney? Is it a Brian Borla by any chance?

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Julie R-
(and anyone else asking this question)

Hannah, Cambell and Powell is the firm that the Insurance Carrier hired to defend the District and Board members against the injunction filed by Asher. That is all these attorneys are here to handle.. only the injunction. The attorney representing them from Hannah, Cambell and Powell is Kenneth Calderon.

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And another one from my Magic 8 Ball:

'Toolgate'
What many don't know, (because at the time this was happening the press did not have all information and still has not reported it properly).
The entire 'Toolgate' event was investigated by:

1) A private investigator hired by Fred Fox..
2) The Huron police..
3) The Erie County Sheriff's Department..
4) The Office of the Auditor of the State of Ohio..

In each of these four investigations, a formal, and final report was filed and their was absolutely NO WRONGDOING cited.

These are all public records and you can go get the reports from each agency. The issue is that the Register never did closely follow this whole situation ? I don't know why, but because there was no information printed the formal results were left up to the public's imagination.

I know some of you really hate it when you find out Fred Fox did no wrong, as documented by three seperate agencies and a private eye. This is the way the entire Markling report is going to go down in flames. All hearsay.

Hopefully some of you will use this post as an example and you will join me with 'big boy' posts of your own that actually document the facts.

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Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Libel and defamation.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold...why are you so determined to point out that Donna Green is a Hastings? Do you have a problem with the fact she is a Hastings?

Retiree

FYI: I do not believe any private investigator was hired by Fox. That is my opinion only. Huron Police would not investigate "Tool Gate" because the chief at the time was a relative of the person being investigated. The Erie County Sheriff Department did investigate "Tool Gate". After all the evidence was gathered,Fox was notified and informed, by the Sheriff Dept. that there was enough evidence and merit for an arrest. Fox informed the Sheriff's Dept. that " he would take care of the problem". The perpetrator's were informed of what happened. The camera's were then turned off, and the tools returned. No one knows where the video to the camera is to this day. Nothing ever happened regarding the thief of the tools. It was probably because they were returned.
Had the informer kept quiet, would the tool's have been returned? I doubt it. There are many more perks that certain employee's received at taxpayer's expense. The Sheriff Dept. should still have a report of their investigation.
The taxpayers of Huron have been "railroaded" for years by this gang of thieves. They should demand an investigation by auditor to investigate what went on the last ten years in the Huron School System. Huron taxpayers have been at the mercy of this group for years. I personally doubt that this will ever happen, after all, Fox said Huron people are nothing but "underlings".
I am just waiting for the "garage sale".

wiredmama222

@retiree...if the tools were taken and then returned, how are the taxpayers out anything? Could it be that Mr Fox didn't want to embarrass someone that is "prominent" in the city of Huron? Could it be that he simply didn't want to make a big deal out of something?

What "perks" are you referring to that people received? It seems a lot of ennuendo keeps being made without specifics. That is like making an accusation without proof. Unless someone can SPECIFICALLY state an issue with time and place, it means nothing. It's speculation at best.

Do you have facts, or are you speculating?

Tsu Dho Nimh

So, Wired, if someone steals your belongings and when caught returns them to you, you would not want to press charges? I seriously doubt it. Fred's long time buddy was caught through purchase requisitions ordering multiple items but all of the items could not be accounted for. Fred investigates it, the camera's mysteriously do not work for a few days, and the items are returned. Go ahead and believe Sold on Fox but Sold cannot be objective and is part of the good ole boys.

wiredmama222

TDN....did anyone bother to ASK Fox about this or did everyone just ASSUME? Do you know for sure what went on here? Do you or are you assuming? I would have asked the man about this first before doing anything about it...directly and to the point. It sounds to me like he is protecting someone and I would want to know WHO he is protecting.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Wired...I have seen the requisitions and purchase orders for the multiple pieces of the same equipment (ie more weed wackers than the district has buildings). I also know several folks who report to this man as a supervisor. I probably know more information about this than you do.

wiredmama222

I repeat, did ANYONE ASK him about the missing set? What did he say about the missing set???? Did anyone ask him who had it. I do not give a tinkers tool about what paperwork you saw. I asked you a direct question for which I expect a direct answer since you know so much more than I.

Did you or anyone who knows so much about this ASK who had this missing set? Yes or no?

UgtaBkdnMe

I thought you quit talking to Tsu. Now you have me confused !

wiredmama222

After spending awhile reading these posts several points really come out as being pertinent in this entire matter. As an admitted outsider of Huron (and right now I am thankful for that), this entire town seems to be involved in this mess in some form one way or another. They are either part of the problem or part of the past problems.

You have a definite group of people who wanted to PUBLICALLY embarrass a man for whatever reason, and the board of education did just that. They decided that Fred Fox was going to be publically embarrassed and dismissed at all costs and that was it.

The board simply threw out the rule book, cast away protocol and said 'nuts' to the rules and charged forward. They could have cared less about what might happen. It sounds like they actually thought nothing bad WOULD happen, that he would lay down and take it, especially since they felt they had him "dead to rights" with an "affair". They didn't expect him to fight back. They were wrong.

He did fight back and now they have gotten themselves in one heck of a mess. Their lack of adherence to the rules of law and decorum will cost them dearly. They seriously underestimated the man they intended to embarrass. They also underestimated, from all appearances, two of their own members, who did not wish to go along with the entire matter.

In fact, the two descenting members may be their biggest problem yet and their total undoing. Because of their lack of protocol, their lack of following the rules and their inability to follow prescribed methods, they now find themselves involved in a war they may not survive.

Skeletons are flying out of closets faster than doors can be closed. As I said to one poster....it is all about perception. Those from Huron may not like it, but for those of us not from there, some of us see things a bit differently than those of you living it.

When it comes to these lawsuits, when they go to court, it will be all of US that will be in the jury pool and not just those of you who live IN Huron. It is our perceptions of what is going on that will make the decisions on what is presented and what we think of the facts as stated.

Right now, it looks like your board of education set out to "get" Fred Fox at all costs. In the court of "public opinion" and for what it is worth right now, the preception that I see is that there is a lot of jealousy, envy and a lot of corruption going on over there in your little neck of the woods. It isn't pretty. In fact, it's down right ugly.

The preception is one of "railroading' , corruption, jealousy and down right nasty behavior that isn't expected from so called civilized people. I would have expected better from the like of Huronites.

Perception is everything. Right now, that perception is pretty nasty. You have no one to thank but your school board and yourselves for what is going on. Don't blame anyone else. Don't blame any of us for what we see, read or hear. You gave it to us. You let the cats out of the bag.

You really should do something to change it. Just a suggestion, but you might want to start with a new school board, one that follows the rules and doesn't go off on a private "witch hunt". That would be a good start. This is going to cost you all. And that is a shame. It sounds like you had a good thing going and you sort of let it get ruined because of jealousy and heaven only knows what else. What a shame.

I feel kind of sorry for all of you. I hope you find your way back, but it isn't easy when you have blown something up this badly.

All any of the rest of us can do is sit back and watch while you self destruct and pray that you survive. Unfortunately for your schools, you lost a good thing.

Too bad the perception of your board wasn't a little better. It just didn't have any.

Huron_1969

Remarkable! Fox has an affair that impacts his performance and in the process uncovers and revives a multitude of other wrongful deeds and you conclude it is our "citizens" fault!

You are demonstrating the same lack of morals as Sold as you find no fault in a public official who has proven himself to be a liar and cheat

Julie R.

I thought the affair was over years ago so how did that impact his performance with the schools --- and besides, the Huron schools were doing good under his management. The affair he had was also something between him and his wife, it should not have been made the business of the entire city of Huron. That was pure bullsh*t to bring that out.

Huron_1969

By conducting what should have been his personal business on school property during core working hours. To make matters worse, fox involved another employee who was innocent.

wiredmama222

please list the employees position who was involved that was innocent that Fox involved in this matter. How was she involved? How did this impact anything and in what way is she involved? What impact did this have on the school or work? Specifics please? Just trying to understand the facts.

wiredmama222

Huron 69....where are my answers....I am waiting

Tsu Dho Nimh

Here is your answer: he left the board office on numerous occassions claiming to visit the elementary building under the pretense that the principal needed assistance. The frequency and length of his absences were such that he allowed the rumor that he was having an affair with her run rampant. I am sure that if your reputation or your daughter's reputation was at stake, you would have a problem with it. This is just one of many examples where his leadership skills were lacking.

wiredmama222

TDN...when did YOUR name become Huron 1969?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Did not realize this was a private discussion. You asked a question and someone gave an answer. No need to be nasty.

wiredmama222

When I want YOUR answer, I will ask for it.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Wired...what is your problem? You posted a question on a public forum, and I answered it. I was not nasty with you nor ugly. If you cannot play nice, maybe you should drop out of the discussion. You have a lot to say and always try to prove everyone wrong. You come across as you know what the law says, you know exactly what has happened in board meetings, and cannot acknowledge that anyone's point of view can be valid. Most folks outside of Huron do not bother to keep up with the saga of Fred Fox so I would be curious as why you care and why you need to insult our community. This is not really a question so please consider this not asking for your opinion.

wiredmama222

Why don't you just stop posting comments to me. I have nothing further to say to someone who lies like you do, answers for others when the post was NOT directed to YOU in the first place.

UgtaBkdnMe

What on earth is wrong with you, Mama ???????

wiredmama222

Huron 69....just what impact did this so called affair have on his performance at the school? I would like you to SPECIFICALLY list all the lacking of performances in his duties that you can tell me specifically he had that came from his having this affair. Tell me what the affair did to lessen his work performance at school and be very specific since you know so much about this. Thank you.

wiredmama222

To Huron 1969: There are more morals at work here than those of infidelity which seems to be the hang up on which you and others hang your hat. First of all that one is really NONE of your business any more than it is mine. It belongs to Fox and his wife and who are we to judge him for it? His morals on that one are HIS to deal with along with his wife. It certainly isn't YOUR right or mine. How dare you or the school board put it out there for anyone to judge? It isn't your business whether it was on school time or not and to have it brought to public light by your school board is just plain ignornat on their part to say nothing of bad form and purely mean.

As for your right to judge anyone else's morales? May I see your morales police badge please? Who made YOU the judge and jury of ANYONE'S morales? You have no right to tell anyone what their morales should or should not be. That is reserved for God, not you. You don't know me at all and you have no right to judge my morales in any way shape or form. I don't condone having affairs, but I also believe that Jesus said, "he who is without sin should cast the first stone". Is that you ? I didn't think so. So don't be quite so holier than thou with anyone. Do ANY of you know the 10 commandments there? Or have they been completely forgotten? How about the golden rule?

As far as being the citizens fault, it IS your fault. You all met in mass to destroy this man's life, did you not. You jumped on the band wagon to "get him' along with the board of education, when this ALL should have been done behind closed doors. This is inexcusable. How dare you all do this to someone. Shame on all of you for your mob mentality.

You all made a mob decision and are carrying it out without proof, and as the proof actually comes out it appears to be different than what was first stated. Wow, that is really sad. Yes, I feel sorry for all of you.

Had this been handled correctly you all might not look like a lynch mob ready for a hanging. But you do. I again say, I feel sorry for some of the people in Huron who were so quick to judge, quick to act like a mob and who could not wait to act like they lived in Salem on a witch hunt.

wiredmama222

you are so hung up on this affair thing? Did you ever have an affair? Is that why this bothers you so much?

UgtaBkdnMe

Nasty and uncalled for, going to have to report :(

Justme...

Wiredmamma is guilty of believing what she reads. Just because Murray and "Sold" say the Markling report was illegal doesn't make it so. Its really too bad we can't hear the sworn testimony that's going on. What if it confirms the Markling report?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Wired Mama's purpose of giving her opinion is to criticize the people of Huron. She likes to accuse us of having an elitous attitude.

Julie R.

Elite attitude? Maybe in their dreams. Forged power of attorneys, forged wills, internal criminal changes to an incompetent person's contracts, fraudulent transfer of property, Medicaid fraud, etc., etc. All from HURON with the exception of a Lorain County attorney.

wiredmama222

TDN...Anyone who sticks their noses up in the air so far they could fall over backward has an elitest attitude as far as I am concerned.

If that is you, then you fall into the category. If not, then you don't. Your call.

wiredmama222

TDN////That is such an untrue statement. You must be related to members of the school board. How sad to make such untrue statements about someone you do not know nor someone who does not feel that way at all. Are you that stuck up? Wow, that is a terrible assumption to make about someone who does not feel that way about all Huronites at all. Shame on you.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Wired...if you have read my posts, you would realize that I am not connected to anyone involved. Take your own advice and not make assumptions. Also, if you would go back and read yours, you might see why several of us commenting find your comments insulting to our community. BTW, you responded to my comment several days ago but have to come back in an ugly manner. Maybe you should relax.

wiredmama222

TDN....you have attacked, attacked, attacked with such venom with everyone that dare to comment on your Huron schools it is almost laughable. Why so wound up? You have been "on the edge" and demanding that everyone agree with your POV in this matter at every turn.

You cannot stand that others may not see things your way from the beginning. You have seen only what you want to see were this mess is concerned and are willing to ream out anyone who dare state anything to the contrary. You comments are filled with pious and nasty comments, hatefilled statements to those who dare contradict you and comments that edge around the word "liar" if we don't condecend to admit that you are right and we are wrong.

I have stated from the first that I have no ties to Huron, but am an outsider, looking in. You live in Huron and therefore have a vested interest in what goes on there. My opinions are based on what I see from the outside and therefore far more open to a less biased opinion than yours. I have no vested interest in what is going on. I see things you may not see because I am not intersted in the inevitable outcome. I don't know anyone involved but you do. It is apparent that you must know some of them, while not connected, you KNOW them.

Your board, it is evident, didn't handle this right at all. Something that goes BEYOND an observation. It is a fact. While many people over in Huron may not like Mr. Fox, it certainly itsn't everyone (despite the factless claims of the SR unless they took a poll). It "appears" that your board has a deep seeded reason for wanting to "humiliate him publically which is NEVER done by people who represent the law in an elected board. (another fact). Rules are there to follow not be broken...another fact.

So don't come on here and tell me to relax, it is YOU who needs to take a step back, a big breath and relax. You are far too close to all this and just need to get a grip. All this is getting to you. Its obvious that you are seeing things in posts that are not there (such as name calling when there isn't any, etc). Try staying off a few days and doing other things...you need a rest. But the best part would be that you might get a better prespective on things. Its obvious you need a break. No one is attacking you or anyone else. That, my dear, is all in your head. They are only stating what appears to be a board of education that did the wrong thing. And that, is fact.

UgtaBkdnMe

I think Tsu told you to relax because those are the same words you used on a post to Huron69. You are the only one doing the attacking !

wiredmama222

Just me....You don't know any more than I what that report says, now do you? So how can you say what is in it or that I believe what I read to be the truth or that YOU know the truth of the matter? I don't believe Murray and Sold just because they "say so". I did some reasearch. Did you?

If you haven't read it either, how do YOU know what it says or what it shows????? Do not criticize me for stating something or believing something when you don't know any more about it than I do. How dare you?

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You go, WiredMama !
This is exactly how it looks from the outside.
For those of you who don't know, WiredMama is so well thought of at the Register that she was featured in Mr. Westerhold's 'Between the Lines'.

So as fast as you can discount what she says because she 'only knows what she reads'.. What exactly do the rest of you know ? With the exception of TDN and Julie R none of you cite laws or facts ?

And then WiredMama tells you what it looks like to her, (on the outside), and the first thing you do is attack her instead of saying, 'Duh', to yourself and figuring out that WE ALL look like idiots because we elected this board. Talk about just pulling the lever instead of actually knowing something about the candidate.

Thanks for your post about perception, Mama..
Most here will not like it because it's not what they want to believe.

I guess you just decided to take that chance.. lol

wiredmama222

Sold....thank you for that. I just cannot believe some of the comments on here. Hey, every city has perception problems. We have them, too. Sandusky isn't any better than Huron. (I do NOT live in Castalia people). Perception is what it is anywhere...Huron isn't the exception..but no one wants to hear that, I guess. Let them be mad, its the truth.

But I do know these things for a FACT:

1. This board handled this matter wrong and illegally from day one by not taking this to executive session

2. They should have given Fox notice in PRIVATE of their intention in writing and given him time to secure an attorney

3. They needed to given him time to bring and attorney to a second executive session while he was on paid leave of absence for a discussion with the board. At that time, they could suspend him and send the letter to the OEB

It would have been over with in a flash. But they blew it and they created a mess because they intended to EMBARASS the man publically and they opened a can of worms. Its like trying to unring a bell....it can't be done. I don't know who their legal advisor is but I will lay even money he told them NOT to do this and they did it anyway. Now they are getting sued and before it is over he will walk away with a pile of cash.

You just cannot violate the laws like this and live to tell about it, no matter WHAT you do wrong: affair or not, this is just not how you handle it. He has a legitimate complaint and the board doesn't get it. Especially now that it is out that the unholy three were out to get him.

WOW....bad, bad, bad. They will wish they had NEVER done it this way. Seriously, you have to follow the law for executive session on all hiring and firing for this stuff or you are in huge hurt city. I don't care who your are. Frankly, I feel sorry for the board. I hope their insurance is paid up. They are going to need every dime of it.

Justme...

It is NOT a fact that is was handled illegally. It is just an opinion until the courts rule. I know I'm giving you very little to change your mind, and I don't expect you to. I'm just saying, these folks can say ANYTHING they want in terms of their version of the "story", which you may learn later is inaccurate.

wiredmama222

Justme....Look at it this way, if you were in Fox's shoes, would YOU want all this done the way this board did this? Why do you think the executive sessions for disciplinary actions apply? Because of situations just like this. This board had a choice and they didn't do the right thing. They chose to publically humiliate the man. They didn't tell him why or what they were doing. I know you don't want to believe that it is a miscarriage of justice right off the bat, but it is. The man has a legitimate case against this board, sad as it is.

When you are in a position of power such as the school board or on a government board you have a RESPONSIBILITY to do the right thing. They didn't do that.

It has nothing to do with "changing my mind", but everything to do with the law. I am sorry it doesn't change just because it's Huron. It is what it is. They don't change the rules from one place to another.

I have no special reason to defend Fox, none whatsoever any more than I have any special reason to go against your school board.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. Just that simple. I mean no offense at all. I really don't. I just don't like it when people try to get away with something because they think they can. That's all. Sooner or later it comes back to bite you.

Unfortunately, I sat on a board like this. I know the laws. It IS illegal to do it this way. You don't need a court to tell you that. I am sure their legal council tried to tell them, they just didn't listen. Now they are paying for it. Oh, he's out, but the lawsuits that will follow will be crippling. Doing the right thing would have been much simpler.

Justme...

The only thing we really know, based on what happened in public meetings, is that this board voted to report the findings in the Markling report to the OEC, thus making it a public record. Of course if I were in Fox's shoes I wouldn't want it public. But that doesn't make it illegal. What if testimony confirms the Markling report?

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Justme...

Please try to listen: Just because YOU say it and WIREDMAMMA says it and MURRAY says it does not make it true. How do anyone know who met who and when? It is up to the courts to determine the facts, based on testimony that you and I don't get to hear.

wiredmama222

I guess what I am trying to tell YOU is that STANDARD LAW says that any board is REQUIRED to discipline their members by having them come in through executive session. You school board violated his rights by not doing so. They didn't do that. Way back at the start of this..it was on tape on here. They just simply didn't do it. They violated Fox's due process. The tape played was very clear about it. They refused to discuss why they were firing him and what they were doing and why no executive meetings. They weren't giving him any info or to his lawyers. It was all taped and playable on here. It was very clear. They violated his rights.

Justme...

Go back an re-read the articles. There was a 3 hour meeting at the very beginning of this, before the report was released, including Fox, his attorney and all 5 board members. You and I have no idea what was discussed there because it was in executive session.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Wired knows everything because she listens to Sold, who has a personal relationship with Fox. If she would take the time to read through board minutes and request emails through public records, she would stop her nonsense.

wiredmama222

TDN....It is hardly nonsense. I listened to the tape that the SR released when this all first started that came from YOUR board members meeting from their closed executive session with Fox, his attorney and your board members in which they refused to give him copies of what the charges where against him and what he was being charged with. (ask the SR for them). The attorney for Fox was furious. Your board had no intention of telling him what the problem was. Not until they took the reports to the State. So my so called "nonsense" is based on what was printed in the SR, not what I read or hear from Sold, who does post most interesting pieces. However, I like to keep and open mind for all sides concerned. I have read the reports on this stuff until I am blue in the face. Its ridiculous.

It is just that I don't like sneaky, nasty people who like to embarrass people and railroad them in dirty ways such as your board did to this man. That was uncalled for and really an unchristian thing to do. Why would they do that anyway? it would have been simplier to just fire him rather than do such a sneaky underhanded and nasty way to do what they did and open themselves up for lawsuits like they did. I do not understand the logic of it. It makes no sense.

By the way, insulting someone who's opinion differs from your own does not make their opinion wrong, it just makes you look more foolish than you already do. I am not trying to make you look foolish. I am simply stating facts as I know them to be true, not innuendo, lies or rumors. I am stating things that I know to be TRUE. If you repeat a rumor, you are no better than the person who made up the rumor, so I don't do that.

A fact never changes. Unfortunately for you and for others involved in this, Mr. Fox got embarassed by your board when it was unnecessary. Now it is coming back to bite many of the board members in the butt. That is a terrible thing. Had they handled this correctly from the beginning it would never have happened. But when you set out to deliberately hurt someone else, this is what you get. Whether he was right or wrong is suddenly no longer the issue. I guess people just don't see that.

So before you go on attacking ME, try and remember that I am not the bad guy here, just a person who finds it strange that people in your town are so polarized over something this silly and ignorant as an entire town out to get the Superintendant of schools. The way you are going about it is really unseemly and unattractive. What do any of you care who he has an affair with? Why does it matter to any of you when, where or with whom? To drag him publically through the mud for it is just like a "witch hunt" or like a puritan attitude and it is wrong. None of you has the right to be his judge and jury. All you have the right to do is dismiss him, not judge him.

wiredmama222

Justme....my information came from the released tape from the SR on here between YOUR BOARD of the ES meeting between Fox, the board and his attorney...it was a doozy. Everyone had the chance to hear it. This is the meeting in which Fox's attorney asked why he was being fired, what the charges were and what was being sent to the state and the board REFUSED to give the information to him. He was furious. The SR obtained that tape and placed it on here. Sorry, can can try and get it from them if you wish. That was way back in April. So many of us DO know what was being discussed at that meeting.

Justme...

Once again, wired, you have no idea what went on in executive session, except for what Fox's attorney said. So you are basing your facts on what was discussed in executive session on what Fox's attorney said. He can say anything. They may not have given him a copy of the report, but you have no idea what they discussed for 3 HOURS. Now maybe it turns out you are correct. But isn't it possible they DID discuss the charges?? Just because they wouldn't discuss it in public doesn't mean they didn't discuss it in private.

wiredmama222

Please re-read what I wrote and try to understand this. The SR produced a TAPE...that you can LISTEN TO. I didn't hear it from anyone else. I didn't read it from any printed source. I LISTENED to the tape on line. It was very clear. The session was TAPED and they argued about giving Fox a reason for his dismissal. They REFUSED to tell him the grounds and what was in the report going to the state. If you want to hear it ask the SR to put it back online and listen to it yourself. No one wrote it out, printed it or anything else. Fox's attorney asked for the paperwork and the board REFUSED to give it to him. I am not making this up, not fabricating this and not pulling it out of thin air. A LOT of people listened to it. So please be advised that I DO know what happened at that particular meeting. Sorry to be a problem to you. Many of us heard it. A refusal to give a reason for dismissal and a refusal to give just cause or notification of what was going to the State is EXACTLY what happened at that meeting.

Justme...

I have heard it - several times. Again, how do you know what was said in executive session?? Just because they refuesed to talk about the reasons in public doesn't mean they didn't talk about them in executive session. It was 3 hour meeting for goodness sakes. What do you think they talked about for 3 hours? When you show me a tape showing they didn't talk about the reasons in executive session, I'll conceed. Discussions regarding the wrong-doing of personnel are reserved for executive session. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

wiredmama222

Look, I don't know if you and I are talking about the same thing. There was a "closed door meeting" with a taped discussion...an executive session...on tape. This was given to the SR, I don't know how long the meeting was. A portion of that tape was given to the SR in which the attorney for Fox was present and requested the papers from the Markling Report. The board refused to give it to the attorney. They also refused to tell him what was IN that report. They also refused to discuss why they were firing Mr. Fox.
Did you hear that tape? Are we discussing the same closed door session? The same tape? The same day? The attorney for the board told the board to give them the paperwork and they still refused. The attorney for Mr. Fox was LIVID. He told the board they would file suit if they didn't get the papers. The man speaking on the tape said to "go ahead". There was an inaudible sentence. Another person spoke. Then the attorney for the board again said they should consider giving Mr Fox the "report" and the man from the board said they were "turning it over to the state board first". Mr. Fox's attorney said that was it, they were leaving. Someone shut off the tape.

Now, is that the tape you remember hearing? Are we talking about the same tape or not? The SR, if I remember rightly had two tapes they played at two different times. This was the second one I remember hearing. I played it three times. Please tell me if this is the one you remember hearing so I know if this is the one you are talking about. This is the one I am talking about. It was the private meeting between the board, fox and their attorneys.

Justme...

OK, now I understand your confusion. That tape was NOT of the executive session. Executive sessions are behind closed doors, with no recordings. That tape was outside of executive session, after the 3 hour meeting. No one, except those in the executive session, knows what went on in that 3 hour meeting. It is not recorded, and there are no minutes taken.

Tsu Dho Nimh

She does not want to hear the truth and I do not understand why. In my opinion, she is just looking for opportunities to insult the "mentality" of the Huron citizens.

wiredmama222

JustME.....Thank you for clearing that up for me. I was thinking that tape was part of their closed meeting. My mistake and I appreciate you corrrecting that for me.

No wonder we weren't communicating on the same page at the same time. I was laboring under the wrong impression here and I apologize for that one.

Still, I feel that your board was terribly wrong in its handling of its methods. I would like to ask a couple of questions at this point. Perhaps you can answer them, perhaps not. You may not know the answer since you are not on the board.

1. What prevented them from going to ES for the handling of their putting Fox on administrative leave knowing it is prescribed by law?

2. Why did they do all of this so publically knowing he could sue them for it for violating his rights?

3. Why wouldn't they tell him what information they had on him since they did this so publically and why not tell him what was in the Markling report before they delivered it to the State if they had the info and it was true?

4. Why did they want to deliver it in person knowing that would make it public record instead of making it private record, knowing it would almost invalidate it with the state?

If you could answer those questions for me I would appreciate it? This just seems to backward.

I don't get why they made these mistakes KNOWING they were wrong? I would think their legal council would have told them they were opening themselves up to a suit, wouldn't they?

Knowing how this works, I don't understand how this could have NOT been handled the right way. Contract law was something I took and I know how it works. I just don't get this. ES is vital to making sure, when you have a contract with a board, that you do this the proper way. When I was sitting on a council, we HAD to do an exective session even to DISCUSS a possible infraction of a rule. You just can't do anything like without moving to exective session. So I don't understand why they would do this?

By the way...almost all Executive sessions are taped but do NOT have to be released. They are kept secret as the sessions are. There are also mintues kept, but not logged in. (at least we did...in separate files).

And for what it's worth, I don't think badly of all your Huronites. There are some over there that think they are better than others but not all. Just like here in Sandusky and other places. Same all over...lol

wiredmama222

AHD....You know, that is just YOUR opinion and you are stuck with it. It is the farthest thing from the truth there is. People with such closed minds as yours seldom learn much, let alone absorb anything but what they consider to be right. What a shame, because you will miss much in this world, such as learning what people REALLY THINK about the world around you and other valuable lesson in life. From your limited point of view, you learn little. Writing to you is pretty much pointless as you fail to comprehend what others say to you, because your mind is already made up. How sad.

You are only happy when you are criticizing and humiliting others with what YOU BELIEVE to be the truth when it is the farthest thing from it.

So let me know when you stop being such a child and grow up. Then I will try and communicate with you again. Until then it is rather pointless to try.

wiredmama222

Any time a school board or any entity that deals with contracts and employee of any type they MUST deal with that employee and discipline in an executive session only that is held during the course of a public meeting. The es must be held somewhere within that meeting, which means that it comes somewhere during the meeting. That is what the law says. If not, then that board has violated the law. That isn't a made up rule, it is the law of ohio. You don't need a judge to come along later and tell you that. If someone has to tell you that later, you failed. It means you got sued and then its too late. Every board and council that sits in this state is trained in the rules of this state.

Tsu Dho Nimh

"this entire town seems to be involved in this mess in some form one way or another. They are either part of the problem or part of the past problems." That is an unfair statement. Most people are not involved. Like any town, there are some "good ole boys" that get their names involved in everything and the vast majority of the citizens are not known outside of their circle of friends.

"The preception is one of "railroading' , corruption, jealousy and down right nasty behavior that isn't expected from so called civilized people. I would have expected better from the like of Huronites." I think I speak for most of the posters that we do not appreciate being referred to as "so called civilized people." Perception does become the truth in society but I do not believe that the average person outside of Huron even pays attention to what is going on. I work with a lot of people from a variety of communities and they could care less about what is going on in Huron. What you are sharing, in my opinion, is just your perception. If you want to question or criticize the actions of our school board, please feel free to do so. Having said that, be prepared that your opinion will be disputed. However, the comments that describe the citizens of Huron are out of line and very unbecoming. I know I have struck a nerve with you because you have been making snippy and cutting remarks towards me. As long as you continue to make remarks towards our citizens, I will continue to call you out on them.

wiredmama222

Oh, please, poor you. As if you haven't done your share of being the snip. You have been on my case since the minute I started posting. I think it best you stop posting to my comments. You have NO idea. You don't speak for Huron, at all.

I posted about perception and you were off and running. I posted that about your BOE, and you know it. From that point on YOU assumed it was about ALL Huronites and that is where YOU made it personal. You can't leave well enough alone.

Listen lady, I have been taken on by far worse than you. But I will tell you this, you want to take me on, roll the dice. I never said ALL Huronites were that way, only the ones whose noses were up so far they flop over backward, remember? Does that include you? The ones who think they are better than everyone else? The ones who migrated from Sandusky to get away from "real people"? They know who they are and I doubt that is the entire city of Huron. You want to make it about the WHOLE town then do so! Because that comes from YOUR mouth, not mine.

You sound like those who sit on that board, the judgemental bureaucrats who have an axe to grind. The ones who don't know what else to do with their days. The jealous ones who cant' decide what comes next. they see their school doing well but way back when, one of their own got into trouble and got outsted and well, now is as good as time as any. Let's get him. We have the power. Lets go get him. Lets publically humiliate him. You said you aren't involved with anyone . Then HOW did you see bills of any importance that bought three sets of anything for a school board? How would YOU see those?

Can you answer that one? If you aren't involved in this, how could that be? You shouldn't be able to see any of that. Those are not public record they belong to the board. Nosing around are we? On the board or married to it? Friend of the board?

You didn't strike any nerve, you ARE a nerve....youre one of those nerves that lives in Huron spreading those poison messages that beats up and down those tree lined streets. You say things on the phone about "Did you hear this or that" about your neighbors, don't you? Or do you do that at work?

Apparently you did it about me? You said so. So you are one of those people who can't shut your mouth. You have to have a legion behind you. People to support your "cause' because you can't stand alone. You are afraid that if your support system lags for even a minute you might have to go out on that limb and be a person who takes a stand.

Well I am a person who takes a stand....alone. I don't need a legion to stand behind me. I have strenght of my convictions. I don't like seeing groups who gang up on people, who bend and twist laws to suit their own puropse and who do so for their OWN purososes. That makes me sick to my stomach.

Because one day it may happen to a huge group. And then people like you are going to wish that people like me are on YOUR side. But don't hold your breath. I only stand up for those in the right. Those who deserve my strength of convictions.

So don't be too sure that my good graces will stretch that far. I don't like being hoodwinked and preyed upon by people who lie and cheat like your BOE.

When this is all said and done, I will be standing there looking at them going WHY DID YOU DO THIS? WHY DIDN"T YOU FOLLOW THE LAWS OF OHIO?

They won't have an answer. They never do. Not the benders and twisters of the laws. They were too busy. Too busy just like you are defending their wrong ways. And too busy attacking me for not defending them. Too busy trying to say how wrong I am to your legions of supporting and lying to them that I am trying to defile the entire Huron population when that is not true either. How dare you pass that one off.

You just can't wait to start more lies. You should be ashamed of yourself. You really should. You accuse people of calling names where none are called, of nasty comments where none are made and of saying things that are not said. I wonder if you are not a BOE member or a person who isn't related in some way to one of them. Either way, I dont care. As long as I know you are not related to me in anyway. That I am thoroughly releaved to know is true.

I would shot myself tomorrow.

UgtaBkdnMe

Mama, you are being very mean and ugly. Going to report this. Sorry :(

Retiree

There have been numerous untrue statements made on this blog. Believe me or not, but Huron citizens were kept in the dark for years as to where their tax dollars were going. It really is a shame because it seems that anyone that controls a lot of money has problems. Do these people think they will never get caught? Just look back at all the people that were caught embezzling money in Erie County.

Sure the Huron taxpayer will pay for this litigation but I do not understand why Fox's, so called friends, did not inform him "it would be in your best interest to resign". Fox, along with his friends, brought this corruption on themselves. Two years ago, an anonymous letter was published by The Lorain Journal informing Huron taxpayers of corruption within the system. Nothing was done until employees started venting to the school board. The problems have got so far out of hand, and the perpetrators, just don't have enough common sense to say,enough is enough.

Good luck Huron, you did not deserve all this mud being thrown against the wall. Time does heal all wounds. You learn by your mistakes.

wiredmama222

Listen, don't feel badly. You don't have it any worse than we do over here in Sandusky. We have an entire COMMISSION falling apart and a newspaper crucifying them daily. Two commissioners yelling, a committee trying their best and its a mess.

So Huron isn't alone by a long shot. There must be something in the water.

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Where to start.. Where to start..

Retiree-
Thank you for your civility and attempting to look out for Huron. There is, however, a problem with your version of the 'Toolgate' story. My sources at the Erie County Sherrif's office tell me you need to get a copy of the report, (If you are that interested). Make a Public Records request. The entire detail of their 'investigation' was handed over to the Auditor's, (State of Ohio), Office and all were cleared. The Auditor made a few comments and suggestions for ID'ing tools and doing a better job of controlling them. The Huron School District made those changes. That was it. I am in no way trying to make your info look suspect, Retiree, except I went right to the source.

Now.. Hot off of the presses: The $1 Bus
Fact #1) Christy Moore was the Treasurer at the time. I don't know how many of you had the pleasure of knowing Mrs. Moore, but she was about as straight and as righteous of a person as you will ever find. She lived by the Bible and didn't care if you cared.

Fact #2) The bus was definately the old band equipment bus that was always driven by one person who was a band supporter and had his commercial driver's license. The bus was stripped of all seats except for driver seat. (I remembered the bus and posted about it before. My only gray area about the bus was who actually owned it because I remember the school selling the bus to the Huron Tiger Marching Band Parents for $1 about 10 years ago. It was in bad shape then, but with a paint job and some mechanical work it did the job of hauling band equipment to away games and festivals. It may have been sold back to the school for insurance reasons, but I guess that's neither here or there. It was definately THE $1 BUS).

Fact #3) The bus was definately sitting outside the Huron bus garage rusting for a while.

Fact #4) The school wanted to get rid of it the aging bus.

Fact #5) The school board ended up selling the 'worthless' bus for $1 to one of the Majoys.

Fact #6) As far as anyone knows, it was initially moved to somewhere in southern Ohio and used for a hunting cabin.

Fact #7) I have no idea what the status of the $1 bus is today.

Those, as they say, are the facts.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold... small problem, the bus was not listed for sale and was not up for bid, the board did not approve the sale or disposal of the bus, and the transaction was not properly documented. These steps are required. Also, the scrap value of the bus was worth a whole lot more than that. There is a conflict of interest when a family member of the bus garage supervisor gets a sweet deal like this.

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Ok..
'Toolgate' check.
'$1 Bus' check.

TDN-
Twice now you have attempted to make some issue out of me talking about Drew Legando and then calling Donna 'Hastings' Green by her proper name.

Something tells me that you are intimate with these details ?

Like I said before, TDN, I had hoped your legal training would add to these posts. Now I just think you are attempting to steer the conversation in a direction away from where it's going.

Your heroes are all criminals and in time.. Karma will 'rear' it's ugly head.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sorry to have offended you, Mrs. C!

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And TDN-
I'm in agreement that the scrap value of the bus would be more than a dollar. Obviously.

I do not pretend to know the complete details of how this bus was sold/scrapped, but I do know that when old equipment such as desks, etc are deemed no longer useful at the school they just remove them from the inventory and toss them in the trash. To me, this is criminal because a lot of things could be sold, but this is the way it's done. Don't shoot the messenger.

I advised anyone interested to do a Public Record search. Is this one of the many reasons the Huron BOE wants to terminate Fred Fox ? Is it in the complaint ? If not I assume we probably won't be discussing it again ?

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The only time you have ever offended me is when you have nothing to say and get upset and then one line me, TDN.

Your guesses are way off, but my info is pretty good.

(You're up awful late, don't you work in the morning ?)

Tsu Dho Nimh

School boards typically are given a list of items, tag/id numbers, description of text books or the VIN of vehicles and approve the disposal. I agree that there is a lot of waste but there is a procedure for disposal. I think we can all agree that the board office should have documentation of the disposal of the bus in question but interestingly enough, they don't.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Don't worry about me getting enough rest...I make my own hours.

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While we are on the subject of investigation:

When Tim SOWecke ran for the board of education he sold himself as being a good small business man, (anyone besides me remember that ?)

His son, in a letter to the editor in the Huron Hometown News, admits that he, (his father, Tim SOWecke), is a bad businessman.

At least the son got something from his mother, apparently, (as in the ability to tell the truth).

Not much has been said about Tim SOWecke starting the Hometown news, bilking many investors out of approximately $52,000 and then shutting it down after 2 weeks.

In the words of Connie Roberts, (current Editor of the Hometown News), Tim SOWecke said, "This is too hard, way too much work". SOWecke then quit, but never refunded any of the investment funds. Wonder if their is another fraud charge in your heroe's future ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

I do not recall calling Mr. Sowecke or any of the three my hero. I have questioned time and time again why two board members would not properly investigate and turn over information to the proper agencies for investigation. BTW, ask your husband if he knows.

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TDN-
Great post ! And I don't just say that because we have agreed to agree.

I totally believe that the $1 Bus was owned by the Huron Band Parents allowing them to get rid of the bus at will. This has to make sense even though you don't want it to.

And.. In answer to your previous post: I know you make your own hours. You were always one of the hardest working most organized people I've ever seen. And I am positive you will be going far in your chosen career. Just sayen.

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TDN-
You know the two board members wanted to do it correctly. I am not a huge John Caporini fan, but my thoughts about Kevin Asher have recently changed. Kevin Asher had nothing to personally gain from filing the injunction, but he did it anyway. He is attempting to stop the payment for an illegally ordered report.

You of all people should respect his motivation although I fear you have totally fallen to the dark side, TDN.

I still respect the person YOU are, because I can't discount nature vs nurture.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Thank you for the compliment and encouraging words. I did not realize you knew me that well.

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Almost everyone in Huron knows you, kid.

Let's see how this all goes.
I believe the next hearing date is the 29th.
Sorry you can't be there.

I can only hope anyone reading this is going to spend the upcoming holidays with their family and friends and this whole story is not the main topic of conversation.

I also know that if Tim SOWecke had not made all of this public that a lot of families would have had a better holiday season. And I'm not just talking about the Fred Fox family. His family still would have found out, but the rest of the population of Huron would have only known there was a problem between the Huron BOE and Fred Fox. Now, not only is the Fox family a topic of conversation, but so are many other Huron families because of the fallout.

If only Tim SOWecke had listened to the board attorney and done this all in a proper/legal fashion. It would have all been so different for so many people.

wiredmama222

Sold, good luck with all this. I have to go fry my own fish....in Sandtown. What a mess we have on our own. Good luck with all this. I do wish you luck, as I do Mr. Fox. It is shameful that some people need to air dirty laundry in public and cannot afford some good grace to people in private, rather than embarrass them and their entire family in the eyes of the public only. It is truly disgusting. I do feel sorry for he and his family. His rights have been violated. I wish him well.

You have been a good friend to him, standing up when needed and defending him when and where you could. Right is right, wrong is wrong. You stay on the right side. Good luck to you. I will check back when I can.

I don't mean to come across as some type of morale soldier, but I never could stand those who think they have the right to ruin another person just for the sake of doing so. In the end, they usually end up ruining themselves. I hope that is the way it works here.

Good luck. Kate

Huron_1969

Wiredmama and Company
To answer your questions about my previous posts....
If Fox conducted the affair on his own personal time, then it would be his personal business. But he did not. He used core schools hours and resources to maintain the relationship and leveraged his authority to get away from the office for his personal needs. He frequently said he was meeting with the elementary school principal when in actuality he was not. Many people (parents and school staff) knew this was happening long before this years events and all the public news

You ask how this affected his performance ?
1) He was not earning his paycheck during core hours which is funded by our tax dollars
2) His position requires being a good leader. Having strong ethics and morals is essential to being a good leader and even more important when your serving a school system. Instead, he brought disgrace to the school system he is responsible for serving
4) He demonstrated himself to be untrustworthy by lying and cheating on a multitude of levels

As for Toolgate, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this was a successful cover up that Fox is party to. Just because they made the surveillance tapes disappear doesn't make them innocent

Even if this had been kept out of the news this year, he still lost a significant amount of respect from the school staff and parents. The impression on the high school student body is even worse.

I have lived in Huron for over 40 years and graduated with Fred. Being a fellow classmate and casual friend, I was delighted when he became superintendent with thoughts of local boy makes good and the like. His actions changed all that and I have no personal agenda other than expecting a quality school system. This whole mess has generated a lot of soul searching and reflection. I have really screwed up in my life, but have the ability to say I messed up and be accountable. I really thought Fred had this quality too. I am not standing on some high moral ground or a gossip monger. I simply believe what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong.

As for the school board, I believe they are not doing their job either and have dropped the ball in a variety of ways. Even things like not doing an annual job performance evaluation on the highest paid employee is in-excusable. The Arizona trip was handled incorrectly and they put the treasurer in a bad position. Add in how they have handled the Fox suspension/termination and it reflects very poorly on their ability to carry out their duties.

It's a shame Kalahari is being dragged into all of this. Somewhere in our convoluted legal system someone may find some minor infraction but I do not believe there was any intentional wrongdoing

Wiremama, Sold, Julie - it's clear you do not agree with my position and I am fine with that. You are entitled to your own standards and values, as am I

wiredmama222

Huron 1969..I understand what you are saying to a point. I do not now, nor will I EVER condone those who cheat on their spouses. But I also know that it is not MY job to expose their infidelity in public, no matter whether they work for the city, school board or the church of God. It is their cross to bear, not mine. It is their matter in which to deal, not mine. I am not their judge and jury before God and their spouse, nor is it MY matter to expose to the public. That is their person business.

Something as petty as using the school computer to carry on an affair and then blow it all out of proportion as you in Huron have is just as silly as saying he used a pen and paper that belonged to the school. So what if he did so on "school time". How much did that cost the school? How much time did he get paid for while he would be out "sharing stolen moments" with his "lady friend"? So what? He made a huge mistake. You admit you made them. He is a human being. We all are. No one in infallible. Does that make it right for the school board to punish him in PUBLIC?? NO, it doesn't. Sorry. That is a PRIVATE matter.

Who are all of YOU to judge the amount paid to him or even to CONSIDER the amount of time he lost or say that it is morally bankrupting the school system, or that he "sold" from the school? My goodness that is stretching the truth a bit, isn't it? That is just an excuse if you step back and look at it logically. You have been hearing it from the school board so loudly you believe it. (Read the Scarlet Letter and you will see what I mean.) You are brain washed into believing a CRIME was committed over nonsense. They need you to believe that.

Had they done the RIGHT thing and not PUBLICALLY accused him of things,but done so in private, they wouldn't need all this publicity to crucify him in public. What other excuses do they have?

Non performance of his job??? Not really. Oh, toolgate? Why was the tape turned off? Who is he PROTECTING????? Has anyone answered that question yet? Not that I am aware. Perhaps if that was anwered some of this would stop.

That darn bus mess...Someone should also answer that one. Who sold the bus?

Their Markling report? It all seems a little too pat. Someone isn't telling the whole truth here. Its too rushed and too fast to get it to the State Board without allowing the apposing attorney time to read it. Why is that?

I don't know ANY of these people: not your board or Fox. Just an interested bystander keeping up with your mess. It hurts your kids.

That's my interest. I hate seeing any kids hurt. That's my big worry. The example being set isn't a good one at all. Really look and learn at what they are being shown. Greed, envy, lies, shame, none of it good. What a shame. You are right..your beliefs are you own. No matter what.

These seem terribly petty to many of us out here watching. To many of you, they seem like a big deal. Why is that? What have they to do with the educational job this man has done for your kids? Have they been failing the standards tests? Have they not made better grades? Have your schools fallen apart? Do your teachers not do better jobs? Did you not get a new football field?
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You see, we all see that part, not these petty little complaints. We see the BIG results that this man has given you.

For the life of me, I don't get it. I don't see why these petty little complaints are called CRIMES.

Why anyone would want to call him out in public for his affair and why they would want to deny him his due process of his rights under executive session as prescribed by law.....unless it is jealousy, a deliberate act or another more deep seeded reason.

From an outsider looking in, that it was it appears to be. And it sure is an ugly picture.

Frankly, from Huron, you would have expected better.

wiredmama222

And my values are probably better than yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I just don't need to keep telling everyone how good they really are to make myself believe it, nor I suspect does Julie. Only a person who isn't really sure would need to repeat it this often.

Julie R.

Neither did it take a rocket scientist to see all the criminal acts pulled off on my elderly, incompetent mother at the end of her life --- all done by your so-called elite HURONITES with the exception of a snake Lorain County attorney. Neither did it take a rocket scientist to see all the illegal scams your joke courts of law pulled off to cover it up --- even forcing property with serious defects in the title to be sold at a scam sheriff sale through a scam partition action and a fraud preliminary judicial report.

So you Huronites can talk all you want about Fred Fox and I'll continue to talk about all the dirt-bag Huronites that criminally defrauded my mother and all the scams your corrupt Eeerie County courts pulled off to cover it up.

wiredmama222

Julie, years ago, a similar thing happened to my grandmother and aunt when they lived in California. My aunt had property their and my grandmother was living with her (they were sisters). They had combined their finances. My aunt had property, my grandmother had money. When my aunt died, she had left some property to her minister and she had also willed some money to him. When the will was probated....he took ALL the money, including my grandmother's money, which was a pretty good amount. My father flew to California to try and straighten it out for her. Through a bunch of phoney quit claim deeds, phoney wills etc, they mananged to get all the money from the bank. My grandmother ended up losing everything. I know how you feel. It took 7 months and several thousand dollars to get nothing back. She was penniless. She ended up coming to live with us where she eventually died from a stroke because of the pressure and tension.

She was never right after all of that. I know EXACTLY how you feel about the corruption, the stress and the awful feeling of loss it creates and the helplessness you feel afterward. There is nothing you can do. It is terrible. I wish there was some way you could prove it and get them. We never could either. My dad tried for 10 years. Eventually every died out there that was involved. They did this to 15 parishoners. There has to be a special place in Hell for people like that....Kate

wiredmama222

Given this new ruling by the Supreme Court, can you find out who billed whom now?

wiredmama222

Given the Supreme Court ruling about lawyers having to make public any record their billing statements, I wonder what will happen NOW to the public record of THIS billing statement?

This can no longer be considered a "client/lawyer" privileged billing statement as it was made to a school board. So this billing statement will now have to be made into a public record as it was made to a school board which means that this law firm will now have to show how and what they billed FOR.

That could prove embarrassing to the school board under the circumstances as the billing will have to show EXACTLY what this company did to justify their billing for the $60000.00 it billed to the Huron Board of Education.

Who authorized it, who ordered it. For what purposes? What they did exactly. What they were looking for, who they interviewed and why? How long it took? The paperwork involved? Ouch!

You can bet Murray and Murray as of Monday morning will be issuing a subpoena for this baby. A detailed billing of exactly what this company did for the Huron Board of Education. WOW.

I ask the SR to obtain and POST the entire billing statement of this Markling report to show us what this says. I would think this is now public record since it has now been ruled as such. Can this be done???

wiredmama222

I just spent the last few minutes on the sunshine law of ohio site looking up the NEW laws under the State of Ohio.

It appears that the Huron School board should have done the following during their meeting in which they put Mr. Fox on paid leave. They should have gone from their regular meeting into executive session as prescribed by law and told Mr. Fox that they intended to put him on leave and why. They should then have come out of executive session and announced that they were putting him on paid adminstative leaave for "various reason" and done so and finish up with any further buiness they had. Then adjourned.

Mr. Fox should have left the meeting knowing he was to be fired within a few days if not sooner. He had a couple of option: get a lawyer, pack up his desk, look for another job, or send them his resignation. Either way he knew he was out.

The next meeting they would be announcing he was done. At the next meeting they should have announced they hired their new guy, Mr. Fox was terminted and that should have been it. Instead, they chose to create a monster of a mess. They announced the reasons he was being let go. They announced every little thing he had done wrong, why he was being dismissed and what they were doing.

That is the FASTED WAY to get sued and also, according to the sunshine law, not something you do. It is no wonder that he sued and no wonder he got Murray to defend him.

It isn't likely the school board will win this one. He has too many things on his side. It is no wonder that two of the people on this board are siding with him.

According to what I have read, under the sunshine law, you, if a member of the board, violate the sunshine law, can be REMOVED from office if you are found to have violated these laws. If he prevails in court, the board memembers can be removed from office, they will pay the court costs, attorney fees and penalties for the suits.

The school will have to foot the bill for all of this AND it is going to cost the school a great deal of money.

I am NOT trying to defend Mr. Fox. I don't even know this man. I just am not in favor of what is going on here. It appears to be a very back handed way of doing business and what happened here was something that just isn't done. Why it WAS done is really beyond my comprehension. Civilized people do not act like this.

You do not embarrass someone like this. You don't air the dirtiest of laundary in public, nor tear their lives apart just to get rid of them. You already have all the power. Just simply fire the dude and be done with it. What is the point of ruining them in the process unless you are doing so because you have an axe to grind?

That is the only thing left that makes sense. You are doing it to make them look really, really bad for some reason. Just getting rid of them isn't enough, you have to punish them for some reason as well. And that is exactly what this looks like. It isn't just a firing, its a reckoning.

The problem with vengence is, that there is usually collateral damage and that is what Mr. Fox's family is suffering and so are others in this school system. The kids.....some of YOUR kids are suffering it too. And that is unfair and unjust. They didn't ask for this, and they don't deserve to get it.

To fire him should have been sufficient enough for all concerned. It really should have been enough. Even the hounds on a fox hunt know when to stop. Apparently those on your school board didn't. That really is a shame. The blood was spilled. They should have left well enough alone.

When you wound an animal, you might just as well kill it, because they are most dangerous when wounded. If not, you have an angry and dangerous creature running loose. That's what you have now. A dangerouse animal.

His name is Fred Fox. Given that Supreme Court ruling, he could very well end up owning a great deal of the school board's money and more. What were they thinking when they started this apparent vendetta? Firing really should have been good enough.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Firing should have been the route but TWO of the current members would not support it back in Feb/March. A majority vote is not enough, a 4-1 vote was needed. I ask you again, do you think the remaining board members were suppose to ignore Fred Fox's behaviors? He "stole" $1000 from the district on the AZ trip (I agree with Sold that the treasurer was wrong but Fred knew it was wrong, too), he left his office numerous times under the pretense of business to carry on an affair, he used school email to conduct the affair, and the iffy question of the WI trip. If the students sign a computer use agreement regarding appropriate use, then the superintendent has rules. Besides, ODE has guidelines about computer use in regards to employees and if Fred is such an effective superintendent, he certainly would have been aware. Take the time to request public records and search ODE before you try to correct me. Donutshop is right, prior to 2012 Fred had a majority that gave him free reign and looked the other way.

Tsu Dho Nimh

P.S. All of the board members are civilized people and so are the citizens. I ask you, again, to stop the ugly names and inuendos.

wiredmama222

what ugly names? Not one "ugly name" was stated. The innuendo are the boards makings. You cannot change perceptions simply by demanding it. It is what it is.

If the board didn't want the perception it gave, it should not have done what it did You cannot change it now. Its a little late for that, don't you think so? People derive their opinions by what they see people do. What the outsiders see is a group of people (your board), drag your superintendent in front of the town and humilitate him by showing the entire town what he did. I don't call that civilized. What would have been civilized would have been saying you are dismissed and listing he reason in executive session as prescribed by law.

So if you didn't want others to judge what they are seeing any other way, it should have been handled another way, instead of listing the faults of Mr. Fox in public and in the paper.

You can't change things after they are out in the open. Especially since your board has made a big deal out of it like they have. Blame them, not those who are watching.

wiredmama222

I see that after the SR interjected their statements into the last posts on the other site, they closed the comments.

The board no matter whether the best of friends with Mr Fox were obligated to do their jobs and evaluate him in his job. I don't care if they played golf and went for drinks three nights a week, that was their jobs.

So if they didn't do what they were supposed to do, the problem is theirs. As for Ms Greene, if she didn't have the strenght of her convictions to vote no on the AZ trip, that again, is her fault. She didn't do the right thing. She is an elected official and has no business voting just to satisfy someone else. That isn't her job.

When the discreptancy in the cost of the AZ trip came back, they should have told Fox and he should have paid it within 30 days. If they didn't tell him right away, that is the fault of the treasurer.

as for these emails, you do not tell the entire town, you tell the board. You don't run them for all to see. That is discipinary action by the board in EXECUTIVE SESSION ONLY. This board made HUGE mistakes. They will pay for them somewhere down the line: whether at the State level or in a court somewhere. I can't see them walking away scott free from it. It just won't happen.

Is Fox going to walk away scott free? Probably not if he violated any of the board rules or laws. He will not walk away without some damage either. But what this board did and the damage they did to his reputation will be actionable in a court of law because of how they handled it.

Had they not made this all public news, and just done it the right way, it would have been over by now and no foul.

You cannot do what this board did. And the good people of Huron need to realize that.

Public deamonization of ANY person, no matter what they do, went out in the 17th or 18th Century. This is the 21st Century. You guys need to catch up. It might be fun for you guys to make him squirm and feel like you "got him", but in the end you guys lost. I hope it was worth it.

wiredmama222

This will be my last post until the court findings or the state comes back with their rulings and the SR puts it in the paper.

I detest sneaky people or people who don't follow the rule set forth to protect the people. They are there for a reason...to prevent chaos. That isnt' a joke. The rules prevent us from becoming a mass...a mob.

When the rules are not followed we become just exactly what has happened in the good city of Huron: a throng of unruliness, divided into groups. Had the board followed the rules that each board MUST follow, none of this would have happened and Mr. Fox would have been sent quietly on his way with no one knowing anything about it. That wasn't good enough. Everyone had to know...everyone had to be privy to the disgrace. And why..because the some one that board wanted it that way. They through out the book and they just didn't follow the rules.

When the State of Ohio comes screaming down on their heads for it...who will be the wiser? I don't know. I dont care. I do not live there. But I do know that the law has a way of making people pay for not minding the law. Whether with a fine, removal from office or making an example of what NOT to do, they will. That is what the law is for. When you make a mockery of the law, it makes you pay. That is what the law is for. You cannot laugh at it, snub it, or by pass it. Not in the civilized world in which we live.

So I wish those in Huron well. I hope only the best for you and for Mr. Fox. You too, thumbed your nose at the law, expecting to bend it. Whatever happens to you, it will get you as well. You cannot expect anything less. You are not above it either.

Good luck Huron. You deserve the best, right now, you don't have it. I hope you find it. You have some more than decent people who have posted on here. Find them and put them on your board. They know what they are doing and I suspect they won't thumb their noses at the law. And find someone who will lead your school without thumbing his or her nose at the law either. You need a fresh start all the way around.

Good luck Huron. Don't wish me bad luck. I post my convictions.

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