Fox hearings shuttered to public

Termination hearings for suspended Huron Schools superintendent Fred Fox were closed to the public Tuesday.
Jessica Cuffman
Oct 23, 2012

 

The three days of hearings originally were scheduled to be open, but Fox had the right until the start of the hearing to have them in private.

The hearings, to be conducted before Ohio Department of Education referee Harry Taich, are concerning 23 allegations the Huron board of education has said warrant Fox's firing.

After the hearings, where witnesses will testify under oath, Taich will submit a written recommendation to the board, recommending that Fox either be reinstated or fired.

The board is not required to agree with the recommendation.

The accusations against Fox, many stemming from the 50-page Markling report, allege he carried on an improper business relationship with a district vendor, improperly submitted expenses for reimbursement related to a April 2011 trip to Arizona, and was involved in an extramarital affair on school time using school computers and email.

Comments

Tsu Dho Nimh

The wise words of Sold: "The hearing will be held in public because Fred Fox wants the public to know the truth, TDN. He's doing damage control but not in the way you describe."

This is why Mr. Fox decided to make the hearing PRIVATE at approximately 9:15. Lots of folks showed up except for the Tanns, Wechters, and Buleas (the Fox Fan Club). I do not believe he ever intended for this to be public.I will venture to guess that there is more incriminating evidence against Mr. Fox that the public has not yet heard. Sounds like Mr. Fox does not want us to hear the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Darkhorse

Somehow I figured this was not going public. Not surprised. Something more is going on. When the Fox Fan Club does not show, you know there is big trouble brewing.

Julie R.

Is it legal to prohibit the public from attending these hearings?

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Nope..

ChristineC

These hearings would involve witnesses testifying...perhaps the decision was made to consider the privacy of ALL involved...? My goodness, this issue is so much bigger than the crucifiction of Mr. Fox. Procedure and protocol have been thrown out, I am sorry, voted out 3-2. This is about the lack of fiscal resposibility to the citizens of Huron. This is about an un-natural surge of power and showing the lack of respect for employees, and not just Mr Fox.

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Amen !

Swamp Fox

Why would Mr. Fox want this hearing to be private if he did nothing wrong?

betweenlines

I'm sure it is to protect the administrators that are testifying. I'm sure he doesn't want to embarrass them further.

Sit n Spin

betweenlines...I hope that is your attempt at sarcasm because Freddy boy cares about one thing and one thing only......himself !

betweenlines

Dripping in sarcasm...absolutely! He has proven that he cares only about himself over and over. Hopefully the ODE will act quickly so we can put this whole mess behind us.

queenjhb

the truth will surface, and then the fox will need to answer all our questions ,right? probably he will be too selfish to fess up.

Informed

My guess is he and his lawyer realized evidence or testimony not already released to the public was going to be brought up in the hearing, and he didn't want everyone knowing about it. What other reason could there possibly be for changing his mind?

Tsu Dho Nimh

I agree!

Tsu Dho Nimh

If Fred was concerned about ALL involved, he would have requested a private hearing from the very beginning and not wait until the last minute. It appears that there is more to the story than we know and he does not want us to find out.

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Which is it TDN ? Obviously, no matter what Fred Fox or his attorney does, you will find fault with it ? (But, that is your right). You found fault with them not going public to begin with and then you say that they planned this from the start ? Here's your previous post so you can read them together !

'This is why Mr. Fox decided to make the hearing PRIVATE at approximately 9:15. Lots of folks showed up except for the Tanns, Wechters, and Buleas (the Fox Fan Club). I do not believe he ever intended for this to be public.I will venture to guess that there is more incriminating evidence against Mr. Fox that the public has not yet heard. Sounds like Mr. Fox does not want us to hear the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!'

Tsu Dho Nimh

My statements are not hard to follow: I said a short while back that Fox had to go public or people will assume he has something to hide. If everything was already put out in the open, he would be a fool to go private. Yesterday I commented that when his biggest supporters did not show, he had decided prior to yesterday that he would request a private hearing (no need to show up if you know that it will be private). My conclusion is he DOES have something to hide.

Projection, according to Carl Jung, occurs when a person sees in another qualities they themselves possess. This phenomenon goes on daily in most relationships and encounters.

UgtaBkdnMe

Doesn't surprise me one bit that we haven't heard from Sold on Fox. He's too busy picking crow feathers out of his teeth. He'll show up sometime explaining how Freddy Boy is just trying to protect his family from the public and his decision is greater than him. Yea, yea, whatever. Fred only cares about himself and it doesn't look to good for the Sly Fox.

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No crow eating here.

At some point there will be a 'public' statement and I am beginning to wonder what will actually make it to the public, unlike the Markling report.

As I stated before: Even if the OED decides that Fred Fox should not be terminated, the Huron Board of Education will vote 3-2 not to accept it.

UgtaBkdnMe

double posted

Sit n Spin

Wait for it.....wait for it.....

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Hahaha.. (Spinner.. you are funny).

1luckydog

This is no longer about fred fox. our school system is in need of a change. No matter what the board says, things are in dire need of help.

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Agreed !

1luckydog

RUFKM

richrs

Getting to be old and boring news.

google me

Highly doubt we'll hear from Sold On; to defend him like they did, it could have only been his mom, his lover or himself.

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Well.. Since the only thing that has been reported is what we all know, why are you waiting for me, his Mom, his lover or himself to comment?

I'm right here reading all of the nonsense.

At some point there will be a 'public' statement and I am beginning to wonder what will actually make it to the public, unlike the Markling report.

As I stated before: Even if the OED decides that Fred Fox should not be terminated, the Huron Board of Education will vote 3-2 not to accept it.

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At some point there will be a 'public' statement and I am beginning to wonder what will actually make it to the public, unlike the Markling report.

As I stated before: Even if the OED decides that Fred Fox should not be terminated, the Huron Board of Education will vote 3-2 not to accept it.

Sit n Spin

And there you have it ! BAM !

Sit n Spin

And there you have it ! BAM !

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You really thought I was avoiding all of the wisdom here ? lol

Sit n Spin

Not really....I know you like to hear yourself type ;)

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Just waiting for the ODE like the rest of you...

Let's take this time to reflect on all that has happened since the beginning of this. I really have over and over tried to get the group here to keep an open mind about what they have read and heard.

This whole situation is going to leave a 'hangover' for years to come.

Don't worry.. I'll be here to the end.

Informed

Sold, even if I had no other information except the emails to the Fremont principal, I still think Fox should be fired. That is totally inappropriate and, as I have stated before, is the same as stealing. I don't care if the ODE doesn't take away his license (which I doubt they will do), the board still has the prerogative to fire him.
You don't agree, and that is fine, but do not tell me my opinion is wrong.

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UnInformed-
When did I say YOU were wrong ? You are entitled to your opinion. We all are.

Emails can not be disputed. I think you are going to find they are not as big of a deal as you are thinking. I've said it before and I will say it again: MY opinion. I'm entitled to it just like YOU !

Justme...

Sold - please get your chrystal ball tuned up. It hasn't been accurate yet. Then tell us how "the two" will vote if the ODE agrees with the termination.

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Have been accurate all along, JustYou.. You just do not want to see it. It's ok... As I said to UnInformed.. You are entitled to your opinion, just like I am.

It will still be a 3-2 vote. You all know that.

Julie R.

I say get rid of ALL of them. Something has been fishy in this fiasco right from the get-go!

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Julie R-
You cut through the manure.

As I have said in the past, Fred Fox is actually the victim here. All that is going on has nothing to do with emails, affairs, gratuitees.. etc..

windyglen

If Fox is innocent and the Markling Report lies as Fox supporters have stated then why is Fox's witness list so long? It would seem to me he would need only to call 1. the treasurer to verify the financial charges (mileage, trips) were within the scope of Fox's job, 2. the board president to verify that the financial charges were approved by the board, 3. Nelson to produce or verify the receipts Fox claims he has for all the trips and golf outings and 4. the Fremont principal to verify that Fox was her mentor NOT her lover!!! His list of witnesses indicates to me that he CANNOT prove he did nothing wrong so he is going to slander anyone he can. Time for this to be over and Fred to look for another occupation. Lifeguard at a local water park, perhaps....

Huron_1969

really Windyglen ... and let innocent people drown ?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Too funny!

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Windy-
Seems simple doesn't it ?

KURTje

Attention young people: See? This is the real world. Hope you have a dad & mom that will explain how things usally work. Please understand that most in authority can't be trusted. Please respect the few that are (very rare) trying to always do what is best.

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Kurtje-
Well.. Not all people in authority are bad, but almost anyone can be painted that way. It's better to be people who do nothing for anyone and just add commentary about the people who do.

Julie R.

It says in the paper that 3 of the 16 witnesses subpoenaed by Murray to testify are Ed Kurt, Margaretta school superintendent, Marta Esposito, high school cashier (she's still there?) and Nick Wells, high school custodian.

So why is a school superintendent from Margaretta testifying? Even better, what does a high school cashier and high school custodian have to do with any of this?

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Julie R-
Marta and Nick head up the Non-Certified union.
Your guess is as good as mine about Ed Kurt..

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Julie R-
Possibly, Ed Kurt went to Arizona, too ?

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Attention people !!!
There is nothing new or different coming out in the 'private' hearings. This is Fred Fox's way of not having his case totally tried by the public and dredge it all up again. As I said earlier to TDN.. You could write the story for the Register: There is nothing new to add, but there is a lot to clear up because of the inappropriate release of the slanted Markling report.

You folks think that if you say it long enough, or loud enough it will come true. Sorry people, if you think that there will be crow on my plate you are sadly mistaken. There will have to be an entire crow buffet to handle all of you.

Tmm

strange. Sold's comments were short and to the point then all of a sudden the above rant...almost like someone else was posting for him then he got online and took over - anyone else agree?

Tsu Dho Nimh

I have wondered about that myself and suggested to Sold back in July that the inconsistencies in the posts suggests two people are involved. Regardless, his/her posts just continue defending the undefendable. After his public hearing in September I suggested that Sold might be Mr. Murray because Murray's presentation echoed Sold's logic. Needless to say, that post was removed by the moderators because I used an individual's name. Let's see if anyone reports this comment for using a name : )

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Hahaaha... Oh you two.
Listen TDN and Tmm:
One person here and if you want to call me Murray make sure I get his salary !

It was my last statement, Tmm, supposed to deliver what I deem to be the last thing I have to say to give you all something to think about, (and apparently it worked ?)

Tmm, you are smarter than that ? With all of your studying of my spelling and puncuation ?

TDN, you just enjoy conspiracy and I have my suspicions that you may be a young lawyer yourself. Not that I really care as this is all about what Fred Fox really did, or did not do, and a band of 3 who set out to rid the Huron City Schools of a man who has accomplished so much. The 3 would do almost anything to attain their goal.

Like the rest of you, I am waiting to see/hear the results.

It really does not matter what Sold says, or does..
Sold's not on the witness list !

Tmm

I agree sold...it's just that your posts suggest some type of bipolar disorder.

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Now you're onto something, Tmm !

These posts are the voices in my head and I need to answer them.

Thanks for clearing that up..
Now I can cancel the appointment. lol

KURTje

Hey..Ako...doing right never goes out of fashion. Actually it can set some apart too.

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Kurtje-
It's Sold. lol
I agree !

Tsu Dho Nimh

I heard today that we have to wait until December to see what happens. Attorney Murray is going to be "out of the country". Why does this not surprise me!

partyboy

TDN-where do you get your info? What happens in Dec?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Partyboy...do not want to give my source but ODE will not rule until December because Mr. Fox's legal representation will not be available until then. I believe the info I got is pretty dependable.

partyboy

TDM~
I thought the ruling is supposed to be in ten days... is there more to it? Murray has done his job his presence irrelevant....why not a ruling?

Tsu Dho Nimh

Don't know anything other than Fox's legal representation will not be available until December and the ruling won't happen until then. Does not make sense to me but I am just sharing what I heard from what should be a reliable source. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

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Hmmm..
Don't know what to tell you, TDN. I didn't read it in the Register yet so I find it hard to believe.. lol

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold...most of what I know and share does not come from the Register :)

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I know, TDN..
Was just wondering with only Scott Slocum, two board attorneys, Fred Fox, Murray, the referee and one witness at a time.. How you know about the vacation ?

Curiouser and curiouser

partyboy

Sold~ Really?? Haven't you figured it out..he/she is either a lawyer in Cleveland or has a very close relative that is a lawyer that lives in Huron that is a FF hater. No disrespect meant

Tsu Dho Nimh

Sold and Partyboy...or perhaps I am a friend of a close Fox supporter who cannot keep secrets. Lots of loose lips in this town :)

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Hahaha
TDN-
Makes sense, except like I said, there is a limited number of people who know what you stated. I don't think you'd tip your hat that easily.

And actually, Partyboy, I believe you are close to the truth but I can't figure out why TDN dislikes Fred Fox so much ? It's almost like Fred Fox did something to TDN or someone very close to TDN.

Honestly, I really don't care who anyone here is. I really am only concerned with Fred Fox and the Huron City Schools getting a fair outcome. At this point and time I am confident that at least people are testifying under oath and most will tell the truth. It's about time.