Students qualify for free meals

USDA approves Sandusky Schools for school lunch and breakfast programs
Alissa Widman Neese
Aug 16, 2014

widman@sanduskyregister.com

Sandusky Schools can dole out free breakfasts and lunches to all its students this school year.

On Friday, the U.S. Department of Agriculture approved the district for its National School Lunch and School Breakfast programs, according to a news release emailed Friday.

The free program officially begins Monday, the first day of the 2014-15 school year.

"This is wonderful news for our parents and families," school board president Tom Patterson said. "It will allow students to eat a healthy breakfast and lunch and it is certainly an economic advantage."

Families do not need to fill out any paperwork or register to participate in the program.

Additionally, students can continue to bring packed lunches, or pay for a la carte lunches or salad bar, if they do not want the free traditional meal.

"All of our options are still available for students," superintendent Eugene Sanders said.

Sandusky Schools qualified for the free breakfast and lunch programs this year through a recently implemented "community eligibility provision," which aims to help high-poverty areas provide healthy, wholesome meals to students.

If a majority of its students meet income eligibility requirements, a district is eligible to apply.

Although Sandusky Schools students will no longer pay for their meals during the school day, the program is not expected to negatively impact the district's budget, Sanders said.

Rather, participating in the U.S. Department of Agriculture's programs will help the district qualify for additional federal grant funding in the future, he said.

"We were assured it will be a win-win for everyone involved," Sanders said. "I'm pleased to see members of our team seeking out options that provide this kind of advantage to our students and parents."

 

Want to give feedback?

Sandusky Schools officials have placed surveys and suggestion boxes in all school buildings for feedback regarding the new free breakfast and lunch programs.

Additionally, anyone can email questions or comments directly to district superintendent Eugene Sanders at askdrsanders@scs-k12.net.

Comments

IT'S ME

"This is wonderful news for our parents and families," school board president Tom Patterson

It is?? What is so wonderful about living in a city that is so poor parents can't feed their kids?

MrSandusky

I was thinking the same thing...

From the Grave

I think food should be free for EVERYONE in the grocery store anyway. NOBODY should ever go hungry anywhere.

IT'S ME

And they want the same parents who already can't afford to feed their kids to pass a school levy for money to build new schools?? Someone help me understand this??

sugar

Exactly my thoughts! If we qualify for such a program based on poverty, where the he** does this school board think all these impoverished parents will get that "pennies per week" to build a new building?
Has everyone lost their minds? Once again the Dept of Agriculture has no money, it produces nothing, it earns nothing, it's income is from TAXES. Those who pay taxes are providing the funds, it's nothing but a redistribution program. It falls on the shoulders of the middle income earners. 1% 's pay little "regular" taxes and 47% pY nothing. Yes this is wonderful!'!!!!

WeThePeople1965

You're missing an important point-- most parents with children in Sandusky are renting. So, the parents with children that go to SCS are too poor to afford $53 a month for each child, yet they're egged on at the polls to vote 'yes' to a huge issue like the one coming up. The PARENTS are not paying property taxes, therefore, of course they're going to vote yes. That is exactly why this happens.

Mum-of-One

Their landlord will pay taxes with the rent collected.

The Big Dog's back

Exactly.

sugar

Most of them are subsidized with section 8, we pay again.

arnmcrmn

sugar brings up a valid point here.

knowitall

Sugar dumplin with a valid point?? Not!

CommonsenseNow

@knowitall - Listen, I have a "poor family" next door to me. I don't have to read the news because I see it with my own two eyes. She has HUD pay her $700 rent payment. She doesn't pay for her utilities. She has food stamps. She is able-bodied and sits on her butt watching DirectTV all day. How do I know? Because the same week I had my DirectTV taken OUT so I could cut costs, she had her DirectTV put in. Swear to bob. Unbelievable. Her trash piles up because she doesn't pay the bill. And I just saw her car parked in her backyard yesterday, probably because she didn't pay that bill. Yet, I see her talking on her cell phone, because somehow that bill got paid. THIS IS MADNESS. PERIOD. When people who don't work live as well as the people who do work, tell me, why work?

KnuckleDragger

With rent money that is increasingly subsidized by the taxpayer.

CommonsenseNow

Yep!!!! These people have NO SKIN in the game. Not only are the renters with their houses ... they are renters in life. Never invested.

From the Grave

You are making a huge assumption that these "renters" are actually registered to vote, and then even bother to vote if they ARE registered.

8ballinthesidepocket

Wonderful news??? Not for me as I have to pay for what others are too lazy to provide. Another unearned undeserved program in the land of the takers!! I hope it's not on the Michelle Obozo plan or it will be just thrown in the garbage with the rest of the turnips. What a country!! How about providing free meals for the seniors and I don't mean seniors in high school. What did we do before all these welfare programs?

Mum-of-One

Minimum wage earners live in poverty. They are not lazy. Minimum wsge jobs are a plenty in this county.

Chirp

It's not the students fault their parents are too lazy to provide.

YoMamma

This is just another hook into the mouths of children from the welfare system! Teach them young to look to uncle sugar for a free handout. Ghetto ghetto ghetto!

Chirp

No, if this encourages one more misguided youth to go to school, it is well worth it.

SamAdams

I echo the what the others here have to say. This isn't a "free" program. SOMEbody is paying for it, and guess who that somebody is? That's right: Those of us who actually WORK for a living!

Too many taxpayers are already tapped out. Too many people are already getting too many giveaways. What's the ultimate goal here, to make EVERYbody dependent on government? If that is, indeed, the "prize," the end game is obviously well underway!

The Big Dog's back

The goal is is to get companies to pay a living wage so they don't need assistance.

Fromthe419

I wish it were true Big Dog, but globalization killed any chance of good paying jobs that don't have an advanced skill set. This goes back to the 1970's when the petro dollar was created. The only way the rest of the world can buy oil is to pay their workers crap wages and import their cheap junk to us. We will never be able to compete on the world platform on menial jobs ever again, thank you Mr Nixon. Even today with all that is going on in the world our leaders are still defending the petro dollar in Iraq, Iran and Syria. Why is Ghadafi dead, look up what he was proposing...an alternative payment method of oil that did not include the US Dollar.

CommonsenseNow

@bigdog - you really have no clue to what you're saying. You know ZERO about economics or running a business. You just parrot things that look all shiny from the outside without EVER bothering to open the thing up and see if it actually works. If it is so easy starting a business, getting customers, complying with the library of laws we have ... why don't you do it? Yep. Quit pulling out your stereotypes of big companies and golden-parachuted CEOs, and talk about the other 80% of businesses (small business). Start your own business and hire people at a living wage. If you are INCAPABLE of staring your own business, then why do you feel the need to tell other business owners what they need to pay employees? "A living wage" will just cause more unemployment. Get some education. Try harder. Spend the time you waste watching TV learning about a trade that is in demand. Quit sucking off everyone who tries to start a company and then wonder why there are fewer of them.

ohioengineer

I couldn't agree more. I love it when some politician tells me that I am getting "free" money. Is he going to grant me a waiver on paying federal and state income taxes? If not, all that is happening is that I am sending a lot of money to Washington or Columbus so that some "benevolent" politicians can send a few pennies back - for which I am supposed to be eternally grateful. What a racket.

streak

I am both sides of the fence. This program is being used by many schools, especially up around Lorain and cleveland. This is an America issue and I will not fault the CHILDREN but as a taxpayer, at least I know my middle class wages is being used in the schools and for the good of children.

YoMamma

Its both the Demtards and Retards! Both parties are corrupt and there is no one who can stop them!!!

MissySams

It's really not hard to understand. Sandusky is FULL of renters, who can vote for a levy and devoid of homeowners who pay for the levy!!!

Mum-of-One

Rent is an income which would go towards paying city taxes.

knowitall

Yes it is. Landlords don't "eat" the tax, they pass it on. That is the capitalistic thing to do.

Another Day

We HAD rentals in the city and got rid of them. Yes mostly all Section 8, but the RENT subsidy is NOT always equal to the fair market rent at all, in fact most rents are negotiated down, sometimes by almost 50%. It is up to the landlord to accept, but to have a guaranteed check is nice so you are not chasing money. So the government basically tells landlords what they are allowed to rent a unit or house for and they then reimburse all or part if it. It was never equal to the fair market rent for us. Which meant the rent, never covered the mortgage and taxes and in multi-unit double the water & sewer bill. Plus the tax rates on rentals have not been updated since 2006, so we were being billed taxes for a house worth half of what it used to be worth. All in all we walked away..and taxes could never get covered with the rents received. And yes, the renters would just sit there and collect SSI on their kids and unemployment. But drove nicer cars than us and had more shoes than I could count.

SamAdams

You'd think so, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, a huge percentage of Sandusky rentals involve yet MORE welfare payments. In other words, the landlords raise the rent to cover the taxes and the taxpayer not only pays his own increased property taxes but the increased metro payments as well. ENOUGH!

deertracker

How do you know this? Just because you rent does not mean you are on metro and so what if you are. If big companies paid a living wage and stop expecting the gov't to subsidize their employees' life we may not be here.

Beside EC is way behind in collecting property taxes so guess who is not paying!

SamAdams

I know that merely renting doesn't equal paying that rent with taxpayer dollars, and I suggested no such thing. What I SAID was that a high percentage of renters have their rent paid by, or subsidized with, taxpayer dollars. It's not like those numbers are hidden or otherwise unavailable!

Wages are paid based on market value. If all you do is flip burgers -- never intended to be anything but an entry-level job -- why should you be paid the same as the manager? If all you do is sweep floors -- again, an entry-level job -- why should you be paid the same as the engineers overseeing the assembly line? Want to get paid more? LEARN TO DO MORE! Duh.

As for your last point, I wish I had a counter for that. I don't. It's probable that some of those unpaid taxes are the result of financial hardship, but I don't doubt some are also the result of people who lie and cheat and steal on their OTHER taxes, too. That the County seems either far behind or uninterested makes any requests for still more levy dollars seem to be even more of a "take advantage of the taxpayer" proposition, doesn't it?

The Big Dog's back

sam, the light's on and nobody's home in your mind. They are NOT entry level jobs anymore. So quit saying it.

deertracker

IF the numbers are so available, post them. I disagree with the entry level job theory. Lots of fast food managers started out flipping burgers. Most jobs start out with an entry level position. No one is saying your entry level wages should equal mgmt. pay but it would be nice after working 40 hours you can afford to pay the rent. Education is expensive and there are still no guarantees you will get this great job. What exactly do you think "underemployed" means?

Everyone goes off about the renters but I actually wish I could find a nice rental. Property taxes are crazy high in this town and calculated very unfairly. It's not worth it. I paid lots of property and other taxes when I was raising my family. They are grown now and I just don't want that expense anymore. The renters are the smart ones. That American dream has turned into a nightmare for many. Also, these slumlords that live in their nice homes in the suburbs have no problem cashing that metro check every month so complaining about renters is a bit hypocritical. They are the ones that don't pay their property taxes and don't want to support their own school districts.

sugar

You do realize you're talking out of both sides of your mouth? On one hand you support all the programs that live on taxes but you think taxes are too high? So who do you think should be subsidizing all those progra you advocate for? You don't even want to!
Everyone needs to read this post by DEERTRACKER! This is your mindset of your everyday union Democrat here in Sandusky, everyone else supply the funds for all of those services I desire for myself, neighbors and family, just don't expect me to.

Julie R.

You got that right, deertracker. Just look at what Erie County and the city of Sandusky allowed the slumlord Joe Yost to get away with!

timary

Do I want to see children go hungry? NO I do not. I also don't want more generations to grow up thinking that the government will take care of them and EXPECT the government to take care of them. So many of these "poor families on assistance" still manage to have all the extras in life. When and how will this ever stop? My spouse and I only had two children because that is what we thought we could handle financially. We worked opposite shifts so we didn't have to pay for full time child care when they were young. I get tired of these families having more than they can afford knowing full well they can get assistance or better yet a free ride. Aren't ya supposed to teach a man to fish rather than hand him a fish for dinner?

The Big Dog's back

So quit your job and get all those "free" extras. Let us know how that works out.

SamAdams

Didn't you see the numbers released a few months ago that showed being on welfare in a number of states resulted in your "earning" more money than even a halfway decent job? Over $40,000 a year, as I recall!

The able-bodied shouldn't get a nickel without working for it. You earn YOUR paycheck, don't you? Me, too! So why don't people work to get food stamps, metro, whatever? Oh, wait: BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO!

How about parents EARN those "free" school breakfasts and lunches? How about parents pick up trash in the parking lot, mop hallway floors, be cafeteria monitors, shovel snow, help maintain order on buses, etc.? Schools would save money thus alleviating the "need" for yet ANOTHER levy, and students would see that WORK is required for rewards!

The Big Dog's back

Do you get deductions?

SamAdams

1. No. Items eligible for deductions don't total enough (and I have no dependent children).

2. Deductions aren't "handouts." It just means you pay less IN, not that you get extra BACK.

Now, let's go back to the original supposition that EVERYbody gets handouts, and PROVE it.

knowitall

You got your handouts earlier in life!! Wow! Sucking off the govt teat!

deertracker

Sam, who on this planet earns 40,000.00 dollars per year from welfare? Who? Where? How? It does not happen unless you are cheating the system. This is America. Some like you want to rave about how great a country this is yet are okay with kids going hungry. Those parents you speak of go to work just like you and I. This outdated antiquated theory that welfare pays well and mothers are eager to receive it because it is great is just that! Outdated and antiquated. Lots of school districts qualify for this program.

SamAdams

Study: Welfare pays more than work in most states

http://tinyurl.com/lckfp92

deertracker

You have to stop believing this garbage. Welfare does not pay 30 dollars per hour! This is just comical and even more comical that you believe this stuff.

sugar

It's a fact.

KnuckleDragger

It does when you throw in all the freebies.

CommonsenseNow

@deer - Like I said, the same week I had my DirectTV taken OUT to cut costs, the able-bodied welfare lady next door had her DirectTV put in. That's all I need to know. There is a huge problem with entitlements and it's bankrupting this country. It keeps the middle class down and it keeps the welfare class down. And no, the parents of which I speak DON'T WORK.

"These [blacks], they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us [Democrat Party] since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference." --Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1957 - PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT, U.S. PRESIDENT WHO AUTHORED THE GREAT SOCIETY. AN ABSOLUTE FAILURE.

Informed

So you are advocating for people to be put out of their paying job (custodians, etc) by people who get public assistance?

knowitall

Eugene Sanders has been a great leader for the district. Good job!

deertracker

Agreed!

sugar

Sanders is another big gov liberal who thinks it's the duty of the taxpayers to support everyone's kids from cradle to grave, not to mention his ample rear end.

knowitall

Sugar pie......you are not a nice person.

JMOP

Did I miss something? Anyone, even those who can afford to buy a lunch can get the free breakfast and lunch?

"Families do not need to fill out any paperwork or register to participate in the program."

knowitall

Pretty amazing isn't it. That part I am surprised at, if in fact that is the case. Not sure if it is though.

JMOP

I was looking to see if you have to meet the federal guidelines to qualify, and there is no need for ADDITIONAL paperwork for the breakfast. If what I'm reading is correct, anyone get get their free meal ticket.

Edit: In other words: they have to meet the federal standards for the free lunch to be able to receive the free breakfast.

I'm dumbfounded if that is the fact.

The Big Dog's back

Pretty sad the right wingnuts have drug the area into poverty.

JMOP

Oh really? Who is the the mayor working in your city? Murray? Is he a right wingnut, or Demoncrap, making more money in a year than you ever will in your lifetime? Hmm...

sugar

HAHAHA, this county has been in hands of Democrats for 1/2 a century.

knowitall

Let's see. A century is 100 years. Half a century is 50 years. That leaves 50 years for the other party. Oh wait, that must mean the republicans have had control for half a century too. Is my math correct?

KnuckleDragger

So just as Dems still blame Bush I'm guessing this line of questioning will lead to you blaming this mess on a Repub that was in office 50 yrs ago. LOL, predictable.

knowitall

Actually, it started with outsourcing jobs overseas. Your government, whether republican or democrat, allowed jobs to leave so we could go global. I remember politicians saying the wages of Mexico and China would come up to our wages. Guess what, the opposite happened. Wage stagnation in this country for the working class while the upper level wage earners saw their wages skyrocket. Our country prospered with a healthy middle class. The middle class is disappearing. So, there is plenty of blame to share.

KnuckleDragger

LMAO, the Democrat party has controlled Erie County politics for as long as I've been alive.

The Big Dog's back

Why don't the counties property owners pay their back taxes?

KnuckleDragger

Good question, maybe the county should put some effort into fixing this.

seriously 1137

Every kids gets free lunch, and free breakfast without having to qualify for it or fill out papers. They go to school and eat. That's it. You know how the inmates go to jail and get 3 meals a day. They don't have to work for it or fill out papers for it either

lmalley77

Seriously, this is the best comment I have come across so far! Everyone is on here whining and complaining about KIDS getting FOOD while they are in school, but the government feeds how many convicted criminals behind bars 3 square meals a day for YEARS UP ON YEARS FOR FREE...AND WAIT FOR IT.....ON TAXPAYER MONEY!!!!!!!!! You people need to get off your high horses and lobby to get the laws changed to feed ALL students in America for free, and make the INMATES EARN their 3 meals per day!!!! Oh, but that wouldn't make sense, would it!? And all of you who are arguing about Democrat this and Republican that should really sit back and read your posts and look at how ignorant you sound at assuming that every parent in the Sandusky school system is just a lazy, no good, leach of the system! You say, "make them work for those free meals, clean up trash in the parking lot or mop floors in the schools or work in the cafeterias." WHAT in the world gives you the inclination that EVERY parent of Sandusky City School children don't have a job????? Just because they aren't riding tall on their high horses and gazing through their rose colored glasses through their glass houses like YOU are, doesn't mean that they don't go to work to provide for their family!! And by YOU, I mean, whomever the shoe fits!!! Have YOU had to pay rent lately? How about utility bills? And groceries? Oh goodness, I bet you eat, so you would know that a run to the grocery store for even the most basic items wouldn't cost less than $30! Plus mandated car and health insurance. On top of GAS to put in your car to get to your job. And then you have basic living expenses, toilet paper, soap, dishsoap, laundry detergent to wash clothes, shampoo, toothpaste, etc. Not to mention kids who are ever growing and needing new clothes and shoes, socks, underwear, etc. So PLEASE, tell me, even if someone works a job making more than minimum wage, let's say, even $10 an hour, HOW is this one person, with, let's say, two kids, and let's just for poop and giggles sake say, NO assistance, supposed to survive and pay EVERYTHING on their own!?!?!?! PLEASE, do us all a favor, sit down and do an estimate of this mother's monthly expenses, based on her having a three bedroom rental house, most of those are around $750 in this area, decent or not. I would, but I'm heading to an appointment. Anyhow, do that! Figure out how much money mommy dearest has left AFTER she pays all of her bills and buys everything she needs to to support her two children every month! GUARANTEE she doesn't even have ENOUGH!!!!!!

lor70

AGREE!!! Very nicely put! There are a lot of families in the city where the parents both work, who own their home, pay taxes and try to raise their family the best way they can! So, when I heard about the free lunches, I was very happy because that is one less thing I have to worry about! But according to some, I am taking advantage of the "system"! Well, yes I am!! This gives me approx. another $60 in my pocket a month to use for something else! THANKS SCS!!

lmalley77

Lor70, and you should be happy that you don't have to keep paying that extra money every week while your children are in school to eat!! If inmates can eat for free, then by golly, our children of this country should be able to also!!! And I forgot to mention in my original post, even if mommy is working an above minimum wage job making $10 an hour, she still isn't bring home the $400 a week that she earns per week because, wait for it.....THEY TAKE OUT TAXES!!!!! But I guess that concept is too hard for some to realize in this discussion board! Look, don't you let any of these people make you or your family feel any less than they are, because you are right, I believe it all boils down to one thing here, SCS are getting free meals and theirs aren't. And if theirs did, they know dang well they wouldn't insist on still writing that check every week to pay for that food their kids are eating while at school!!

Julie R.

This doesn't really make a bit of sense. If people are really that poor that they can't afford to feed their kids breakfast and lunch, wouldn't they qualify for food stamps? It also does not make a bit of sense that families do not need to fill out any paperwork or register to participate in the program. Does that mean the entire school can participate in it, no questions asked?

I swear, I think they pull off this crap all the time (and not only the schools) just to get all these federal grants, which is really taxpayer money.

knowitall

I think, don't know for sure, that part of the situation is that the kids don't get fed. You would be amazed at some of the circumstances that a lot of these children have to live. It may be money, but also negligent parent(s). Some kids are raised by their older siblings. It is sad. So, their only nutrition might be in the schools. Like I said, I am not sure, but I have known circumstances like I mentioned.

samiam

JMOP...It is free for all students, no matter what the household income.
Knowitall...If they live in metro housing, tax dollars help to subsidize their rent, so property owners are paying twice.

I don't mind helping someone who has fallen on hard times and tries to help themselves, but I get upset when my tax dollars goes to someone who won't get up in the morning to get their child to school on time, who gets fancy manicures every other week (that I can't afford), who has multiple tattoes (which aren't cheap), who has a huge flat screen tv, and has a smart phone (which I can't afford), who gets food stamps and government assistance. Now I have to feed their children every school day but don't get to claim their children as a deduction on my income tax.

JMOP

@Samiam

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I read it that way, the right way. I was trying not to get to pi$$ed off. I would be furious if I lived in Sandusky, but only in time this will be in place for ALL school districts. Feeling disgusted about now.

timary

amen samiam. I am constantly writing checks for my kids lunch accounts at school. fifty bucks over and over again all school year. If some get it for free I would at least appreciate some sort of write off on my tax return for paying for what others get for free using my tax money. seems fair enough...

knowitall

Pack their lunch.

sugar

He still buys the food, idiot.

knowitall

Well aren't you nasty sugar dumplin! They could save some money with PBJ sandwiches. That would probably be better than tax deduction. Of course, you don't like govt hand outs no matter who gets them. So, a tax deduction is out of the question for you sugar dumplin.

The Big Dog's back

Absolutely correct. No more tax deductions for right wingers. We don't want you to get any Gov handouts.

knowitall

Lol. Take mine away too big dog.

sugar

Tax deductions are not hand outs, it was never their money in the first place. It's sad that most Americans are ignorant about taxes. Mindless, complicit drones, yes We need that program , let's give big corrupt gov more of our earnings so they can dole out goodies to us, and we think it's free.

knowitall

Tax deductions not handouts? Hahahahahahaha.

sugar

You can't return someone's money to them and call it a handout. Now EIC, that's a handout.

totallyamazed

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Our (and the student's) excitement may be short lived once they see the federally funded and mandated free food options: 3 carrot strips, a slim jim, and one hard tack. Covers the major food groups except for fruit but who needs fruit anyway. No over weight students allowed in this school system.

HA!
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knowitall

Lol. You are 100% right totally amazed. You have to be pretty hungry to eat the free lunch. Most will want the ala carte lunch. You can eat all the crap you want on ala carte. The federal lunch program is healthy but not wanted by students. It is kind of stupid to mandate a certain plate lunch but then not require it for everybody. It defeats the purpose of the program. Oh well.

totallyamazed

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I agree and will take it one step further. If I was a bettn' man I'd say that within 2 years the ala carte option is done away with. Personally, I think the free food option is being done so it can be mandated what little Joey eats or in most cases, will not eat. I hope they continue (in the future) allowing the students the freedom of choice.
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lor70

Not every family in SCS district are renters or on welfare! I have children in this district and my husband and I both work without any aid from anyone and own our home! I pay taxes and plan on taking advantage of this program. It will help dramatically! Please stop clumping all of us into the same category! Dr. Sanders has been doing a lot of good for our district!

knowitall

I do like what Eugene Sanders is doing overall.

I

Sorry, lor70, you will no longer be able to claim that "my husband and I both work without aid from anyone"! See how easy it is to take the free stuff the government offers? You ARE now part of that same category...Congratulations!

lor70

How do you see that as being in the same category? I PAY my taxes so I'm really not getting it free...am I? Also, you are telling me that if someone offered you something like this you wouldn't use it? I find that hard to believe!

I

lor, you pay taxes and I pay taxes. Up to this point, assuming that neither of us has participated in a government aid program, our taxes should be, in a perfect world, providing certain services equally. You are now part of this new program, so your taxes provide more benefits for you and mine provide fewer benefits for me. As far as taking the free stuff that the government is offering, this is exactly the mindset that encourages generational government dependency.

lor70

So, (assuming you don't have kids in SCS) because this program isn't offered to you, no one should be able to use it? So if you are ever offered some kind of service that isn't offered equally you won't use it? Somehow I doubt it! I don't agree with "government dependency" as you call it...if people can work, they should work and not get handouts...but if I can help my monthly budget by participating in a program that is offered to me as a working parent...I'm going to use it...and I wouldn't have a problem with it if you did too...This program is for ANY child in the district rich or poor so it is equal for all SCS kids!

I

So, now go back and refer to my original post: "Sorry, lor70, you will no longer be able to claim that "my husband and I both work without aid from anyone"! See how easy it is to take the free stuff the government offers?" Why so defensive?

lor70

I'm defensive because I don't see this as taking a government handout! The lunches are free (unless my children want ala cart) which I will do if my children want. But saying I am taking a "government handout" when the school is giving free lunches to every student I do take offense to! Tell me what you would do if you were in the same situation?

I

I'm sorry, lor, if I cannot make you understand...one last try: You used to pay for your children's meals. Now the government is paying for those meals and you get to keep that money. Wealth has been redistributed and you are now getting government aid. And again, the government makes it so easy to accept their handouts, it's no wonder this country has the entitlement culture that it has!

lor70

I understand what you are saying, I, but you keep avoiding my question to you! Would you take this "government handout" or would you insist on paying for your children's lunch?

Tsu Dho Nimh

He would allow his kids to eat the free lunch.

I

lor, does it matter what I would do? My question continues to be: Why does the government encourage all, even those, like you, who don't really need them, to jump on the entitlement gravy train? And thanks, pseudo, for letting me know what I would do.

lmalley77

I, you sit on here and argue with Lor70 about KIDS receiving free FOOD while in SCHOOL, but do you realize how asinine you sound that you are complaining and "whining" if you will, about that, instead of arguing about more serious things?!?! Like maybe WHY convicted FELONS IN PRISON can get three square meals per day without having to do a dang thing to get those meals!?!?! Do those convicts pay taxes or contribute to society?? NO! They are in prison because they have TAKEN from society! Most people on death row sit there for YEARS, sometimes close to 30, before they are ever executed. Let's take just ONE of those inmates that are in the prison system. Let's just say that inmate sits on death row for thirty years before his execution. Not to mention all the costs of his appeals, which were paid for by tax payer money, because let's just say he was appointed a court appointed attorney because he's broke, taxpayers end up paying for THIRTY-TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY MEALS for this inmate!!! How much money do you think that cost taxpayers!?! But you are complaining that kids are eating while in school???? That figure is for ONE inmate in the prison system!!! Some people really have priorities all screwed up!!!! Stop screaming about your taxes and where they go, and do something about where they REALLY shouldn't be going if it bothers you that much! But personally, if it's to make sure our FUTURE children of this country are well nourished while in school, I don't have a problem with it!!

I

Imalley, you and lor appear to have the same reading comprehension problem. My issue is the ease with which the government makes entitlements available. Heck, lor didn't even realize she was receiving one. Maybe a free lunch or breakfast would help you think better. And, what I really find asinine, is when someone writes some long, tired post in response to a topic he didn't really understand.

lmalley77

I, I understood perfectly well what your original post meant, I'm not ignorant by far.
What you still fail to understand, is the fact that you and others like you, the ones who scream about "free government entitlements," think that you are in a class of citizens all by yourself and that you are better than everyone else!
If you have NEVER, in your ENTIRE life received ANY type of anything for free from the government, whether it be job training that was supplemented by funds from the government, or some other program that was paid for with government funds behind the scenes that you weren't MADE AWARE OF, Well, then congratulations to you!!!! Let me ask you a question, you don't happen to be a veteran do you? Because I mean, I'm not saying that veterans don't DESERVE IT, but they get HANDOUTS FROM THE GOVERNMENT until they die from the moment they enlist! It might not be wonderful handouts, but they are handouts nonetheless! And that is what you are amounting this free lunch program that Lor70 is now participating in, she is now receiving a HANDOUT FROM THE GOVERNMENT, therefore she is on the handout train!!!! Get outta here!!
So, I, you mean to tell me that NOBODY in your family line has EVER received ANY type of government "handout" or been on the ""entitlement train' in your family line!? I fine it pretty hard to believe that your ENTIRE family line has NEVER EVER been on the "entitlement train" or received a handout from the government!
Now don't get me wrong here, I personally don't like it when you have someone who makes a living out of being on welfare, and who takes advantage of the system in every way, shape and form that they can, but what others need to realize is that not EVERYONE who gets SOME government assistance are low life pieces of scum!! Yes, you DO have the low life pieces of scum who abuse the system, but there are others who truly NEED the help in order to LIVE in this world! As I said in a previous post, if a single mother of two children was working a job making $10 an hour, and didn't receive ANY assistance, there is no way she would be able to pay for everything she needs to pay for and be able to survive and make it on her own with her kids!! Do the math, take out the mandatory taxes, and then read my post and do the math!!

I

Wow, Imalley, another long, tired post! You and lor must share one brain. Go back to my original post and read carefully. Since the government has placed every student into this program, even those who don't want or need to be in it, they are ALL now receiving taxpayer-funded(not free) aid. Hence, the government is encouraging government-dependency. That's my issue and I can't make it any simpler than that for you. Whew!

lor70

Again, "I" neglects to answer a question!! SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!! I, duh, we get what you're saying....answer our questions....or is that too complicated for you? If your child's school had the same thing, what would you DO?! You say it doesn't matter what you would do, but obviously you care what my family does...so enlighten me, PLEASE!!

lmalley77

Exactly Lor! I refuses to answer your question, and both you and I understand what they are saying, and I do get it, as well as you do!!!! We ALL get it, I!!!! By your statement, EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE, SOMEHOW, SOME WAY, WHETHER BLATANTLY OR BEHIND THE SCENES, GETS GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENTS!!!!!! I can guarantee you that there is not ONE American citizen in this country that hasn't used at least ONE red cent of government entitlement of some sort. And frankly I, I don't get what your whole point is behind it??!! So what that people are getting government entitlements!!! I would honestly rather for the people of AMERICA to be getting those entitlements than the BILLIONS of dollars that are spent on aiding OTHER COUNTRIES EVERY YEAR!!!! But by all means, if you would like to find you a new country to live in where EVERYONE is expected to work and earn EVERY CENT fruitfully and by themselves without the government ever stepping in to HELP them with any type of government entitlements, then be our guest to move to that country!!! Let us know how that works out for you when you can't afford to put a roof over you children's heads or food in their stomachs because YOU, "I," think that the human race should be devoid of ANY type of government entitlements!!!!

I

Imalley and lor, I've you too much credit...at the most, you share half a brain. You want an answer? OK, my kids would eat on the taxpayers dime, wait, no, they would eat a la carte and pay, wait, no, I would make them starve, wait, no, you can pick any answer you want because it doesn't matter. I hope it makes you feel better. lor, it sounds like you are new to the entitlement culture, but, are certainly embracing it. So, please, don't go around crowing anymore about how you pay for your house and pay your taxes without help from anyone! And Imalley, you just go on enjoying your big government and your liberalness...ignorance really must be bliss!

lor70

I, you are so smart!! You have me seeing the truth! I'm so sorry that I am taking away from your tax $$$ by taking this government entitlement...no, wait.... NOT! I gladly take it and have no remorse or sympathy! So from the bottom of my heart THANK YOU, for paying for my kids' lunches! So I will take my 1/2 a brain and YOUR $60 and go pay for my monthly smart phone bill or maybe I'll get a monthly manicure, or....who cares...I HAVE $60 MORE IN MY POCKET EVERY MONTH TO DO WHAT I WISH....LOL ;)

I

Actually, your share is only 1/4 of a brain. LOL. And let us(the rest of us taxpayers) know if there is anything else we can get for you...maybe help on your mortgage, utilities, cell phone, anything at all.

lor70

LOL....I, It's been fun! However, I must get back to my life! Good luck to you!

The Big Dog's back

i, do you claim any deductions on your income tax?

totallyamazed

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I haven't ate a school lunch in {{cough}} a few years but I do remember that in four years of high school I ate from the straight line selection once. The straight line for those that don't recall or realize what it is, was a selected menu put forth by the system.

The menu items (in general) were not to my liking plus my mom always FORCED us to eat our veggies at home so why would I eat school frozen peas and carrots, half melted ice cream, cold grilled cheese? Just because it's cheap or free doesn't mean quality and likability from a students standpoint.

The school can keep it's governmental free & mandated food items. I'll stick with my 2 peanut butter cookies, milkshake and a Flintstones multivitamin.

HA!
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The Big Dog's back

Just think people, now you know what a Corporation feels like getting Gov "handouts".

knowitall

Everybody gets some kind of handout. You just may not look hard enough to see it.

SamAdams

Okay, I'll bite: What, pray tell, "handouts" am I receiving?

The Big Dog's back

Tax deductions. Pay the full tax.

SamAdams

See my response to your earlier claim that tax deductions are "handouts," and try again.

knowitall

You own a house you get a deduction. I rent....no deduction. You get something I don't. I subsidize that handout to you.

You eat food? It is subsidized by the government. There is another handout you don't see but you get.

sugar

It's not the govwrents money, did you not read Sams reply, you cannot return someone's money to them and call it a handout. Again, the government at all levels has no money, it produces nothing, it earns nothing, any money it has it takes from producers in the form of taxes.
It's not that difficult to understand, you're brainwashed to think it's owed to gov.

knowitall

Look Sugar dumplin. The government gave you a tax deduction that I as a renter did not get. That sounds like a handout to me.....a gift from the government. You did not earn it at a job. It was given to you. It gives you money back. Not all your money but money from the treasury that I put in too. So, you should thank me for sharing. So, take away your tax deduction and see how much you whine.
Oh, by the way, if you don't want to be called a taker, man up and tell your tax person not to include the deduction.

I did read SAMs stuff. He is screwed up in his thinking. Govt prices supports help keep milk prices down. Say thanks govt! These are not direct govt give always to you but indirect ones. That is why I said we all get them, just don't always see them. Capice!

SamAdams

Knowitall, you only get a tax deduction on mortgage interest if you're paying over a certain amount. You only get a tax deduction on medical expenses if you're paying over a certain amount. You only get a tax deduction on charitable contributions if you're paying over a certain amount. Are you beginning to catch my drift, here?

NOTE: These are DEDUCTIONS you may make from the amount you owe the federal government. They are not dollars that are given to you above and beyond your tax liability. You can call it anything you want to call it, but stealing fewer of my dollars at gunpoint ISN'T a "handout."

As for the various and sundry farm subsidies, I'm opposed to ALL of them. Are you aware, by the way, that the mohair subsidy (enacted during World War II to encourage the production of more wool -- seems military uniforms were made of wool) still exists today? There are also milk subsidies, corn subsidies (which is worth even more if you turn the corn into ethanol that nobody uses), sugar subsidies, etc. Know where the money funding these subsidies comes from? THE TAXPAYER! Once again, returning some of my own money to me isn't a handout any more than me stealing your watch and giving it to you for Christmas is a gift!

sugar

Poor soul doesn't think they take his money! Lol

Florence Nightingale

Sam and Sugar, are there any taxes that you do support?

knowitall

SamAdams......I am guessing you could not afford all those products if those subsidies were no longer given. The additional amount you would pay for those products would more than exceed whatever taxes you pay. Why do you think the subsidies were given in the first place?
If there were no subsidies I would bet you'd be on assistance.
I have used those deductions you mentioned so I am well aware of how they helped me pay less taxes while my sister who rented did not get that advantage. Deductions are there so you pay less taxes. I do agree with you about semantics. Bottom line is you get a government benefit that others might not get.
As far as my watch......I am not into expensive watches. If I spend more than $20, that is a lot. So, think of something else to get me for Christmas. Have a good one!

deertracker

knowitall is correct. Learn tax law Sam!

thinkagain

I agree, the mortgage tax deduction is a government subsidy for home buying. Tax breaks are no different from any other kind of government spending.

YoMamma

Now we know how you feel big dork! I'm sure I pass you in Kroger on your fattycap electric chair the first of the month.

The Big Dog's back

Do you write off any deductions on your income tax?

grumpy

"Do you write off any deductions on your income tax?"

In piddle puppy world all money is the government's money. Any you keep for yourself is a gov't handout, you are stealing from the gov't. Doesn't matter that the law says deductions are allowed. It is gov't money that you are stealing. This is how left wingnuts believe, this is what he wants, and those like him, for everyone. Care to vote for the "party" he backs and believes will do what he envisions? If so vote for the party who controls his every thought, word and deed. you have seen over time how much his "party" controls him and his thoughts. Find out what really BIG gov't can do. Gov't controls who gets what, how much they get, and what they are allowed to do with what gov't deems fit to allow them to have. Big gov't on display by piddles, and the left wingnut crowd. Thanks for being an example... again.

The Big Dog's back

Where's your integrity and values? You don't want to be perceived and as receiver of Gov handouts do you? Pay your rate on tax, no freebies.

grumpy

To piddles and left wingnuts, all money is gov't money. You are only entitleted to what the "party" in power deems fit to allow you to have. See how he tries to avoid what he wants, and won't put it out that he wants all money controlled by his big gov't? Only big gov't can be allowed to tell you what you can have, what you can use it for. No matter what the law says, only big gov't can have money and tell you how to use what big gov't deems fit to let you have. Laws don't matter, all money MUST go to gov't. See how his mind works? Integrity and values from a party that has a leader who claimed that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, the average family of 4 will save $2500 per year, we will be out of Iraq 16 months after he was elected, Gitmo will be closed. I can keep going, but after a few integrity and values being represented by someone who said such things makes it not needed. Thanks for being an example.

The Big Dog's back

Where did I say I want all money controlled by the Gov? Show me.

grumpy

"Where's your integrity and values? You don't want to be perceived and as receiver of Gov handouts do you? Pay your rate on tax, no freebies."

Sounds like a flat tax or a fair tax, both with no deductions. No problem piddles, I didn't think you would be backing something like those, good to see the change in you! Very "progressive" of you. I linked the wiki for the two below, Wiki gives a good beginning primer on what they are and how they work. Which do you prefer, fair or flat?

Fair Tax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fai...

Flat Tax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fla...

SamAdams

There are excellent reasons to support tax reform, and both the fair tax and the flat tax are good, simple alternatives to the current mess. And I agree that there should be NO deductions. Since we'd all be paying less in taxes, not having deductions wouldn't hurt anybody; since we'd ALL be paying taxes, there'd be no more of the much-hated 1% avoiding taxation.

I'll bet you a few of the many dollars I'd save under such a tax code, though, that Dog would scream bloody murder if he couldn't have his deductions! I mean, he already thinks that having deductions means the government is GIVING him free money...

The Big Dog's back

You getting that free money sam?

lifetimeresident

We need to come up with a solution on how generations of families have been raised and taught. When great grandparent no s, and grandparent no s, and parent no s, have all been taught that this is a world of not working and everything is given to you, we have a problem. Lets break this faze.

Gardenman

If they can get free meals from our federal tax dollars then go for it. I do wonder how and why some who in Sandusky clearly have the money to buy lunches get a free ride. But hey if one has money and lives on Cedar Point Chauseey then why not get a free lunch.

Really given this perk for the city............the Republican Party should just roll over in Sandusky and die...........every one of these Sandusky residents better support Obama and love him forever. Given this free perk there better not be one resident in Sandusky who bad mouths the President.

sugar

It's not free lor70, if you pay taxes you pay for it.
If you participate in the free breakfast and lunch at school and are on SNAP, your SNAP should be reduced.

KURTje

You people forgot Jerry Stackhouse & Joe Yost.

knowitall

Loved but not forgotten.

LivinOnTheLake

Well, if you all are against providing free breakfast and lunch to the children we KNOW, then I guess all of you are totally against any tax dollars going towards feeding, clothing, insuring, etc., to all the illegal alien children crossing the US/Mexico border.

knowitall

As a wise republican once said, " let them eat cake". Yes, feed them till you can send them back to their homeland.....soon.

pptrsha

what a laugh landlords make so much money!!!! mortgage payment 448.00, water bill 50.00, tax 75.00, ins. 75.00 per month. total cost 668.00. metro pays 598.00 landlord now is 70.00 in the hole every month since taxes and ins. increased. we pray nothing breaks because then we are really screwed. the federal govt rules that fair market rent is over 700.00 per month but metro doesn't really pay fair market rent, and tenants that don't get help and work for minimum wage CANT PAY FAIR MARKET RENT. WE CANT TAKE THE DEDUCTIONS FOR REPAIRS IF WE DONT CHARGE IT. we also pay income tax on rents collected. we do eat rents not collected. the court system will award us rent but you cant collect from someone that has nothing to begin with. I am sure there are landlords out there making money but the majority of us are dying out here now. so when we give our property back to the bank because we cant keep eating the taxes that get raised that will be more properties that Sandusky wont get taxes for. I do not begrudge free meals for the kids in the school system. my kids went to sandusky and now my grandkids go to Sandusky. it is horrible to see kids out there without basic care. it saddens my heart to think of kids going hungry. I have yet to see any of my tenants with manicures, nice cars, flat screens, or smart phones. the ones that rent from me cant even keep their utilities on all year. so someone please tell us how to get luxery items? I don't even have them. my car is 12 years old, my phone was 10.00, and we haven't bought new anything in 3 years. thanks!

knowitall

The last time I owned rental property Metro paid a major portion and the tenant paid the difference. Doesn't it work that way any more?

JMOP

@pptrsa

My anger doesn't lie with the hungry children that live in American poverty (I'm a childhood survivor myself), my anger is with this program in itself. It's government waste. If people can afford to buy their lunch, but simply choose not too, more money is needed for that program. More money, more money, more money.

knowitall

Yep. There does seem to be a need for a guideline for this. Carte Blanche does not seem right. If you need it fine. But, if not, don't get it.

sugar

Everyone is living in OBAMAVILLE, while he parties at Martha Vineyard with the Democrats second great love the Clinton's.

knowitall

Yep sugar dumplin! Let's dump obamaville and try the republican alternative......Palinville. Man was that a stupid pick. She must have blown in McCain's ear.

sugar

Somehow Palin managed to return money to her Alaskan constituents. Give me Palinville.

knowitall

Alaska is like Russia or Iraq or Saudi Arabia. The only thing they have of any commercial value is oil. Check that out on your website. That makes it real easy to balance a budget. Give me unlimited revenue and I will give you some back.
You want Palinville? Wow! I would have taken McCain, but not Sarah. She quits in the middle of things. Since you don't like Obama (neither do I but don't tell anyone) have your republican buddies nominate someone of substance.

The Big Dog's back

If all these right wingnuts would just tell their kids not to eat the meals, think of all the money we would save. After all, we don't want to get the impression that you right wingnuts get handouts. There, that was easy.

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