Students qualify for free meals

USDA approves Sandusky Schools for school lunch and breakfast programs
Alissa Widman Neese
Aug 16, 2014

 

widman@sanduskyregister.com

Sandusky Schools can dole out free breakfasts and lunches to all its students this school year.

On Friday, the U.S. Department of Agriculture approved the district for its National School Lunch and School Breakfast programs, according to a news release emailed Friday.

The free program officially begins Monday, the first day of the 2014-15 school year.

"This is wonderful news for our parents and families," school board president Tom Patterson said. "It will allow students to eat a healthy breakfast and lunch and it is certainly an economic advantage."

Families do not need to fill out any paperwork or register to participate in the program.

Additionally, students can continue to bring packed lunches, or pay for a la carte lunches or salad bar, if they do not want the free traditional meal.

"All of our options are still available for students," superintendent Eugene Sanders said.

Sandusky Schools qualified for the free breakfast and lunch programs this year through a recently implemented "community eligibility provision," which aims to help high-poverty areas provide healthy, wholesome meals to students.

If a majority of its students meet income eligibility requirements, a district is eligible to apply.

Although Sandusky Schools students will no longer pay for their meals during the school day, the program is not expected to negatively impact the district's budget, Sanders said.

Rather, participating in the U.S. Department of Agriculture's programs will help the district qualify for additional federal grant funding in the future, he said.

"We were assured it will be a win-win for everyone involved," Sanders said. "I'm pleased to see members of our team seeking out options that provide this kind of advantage to our students and parents."

 

Want to give feedback?

Sandusky Schools officials have placed surveys and suggestion boxes in all school buildings for feedback regarding the new free breakfast and lunch programs.

Additionally, anyone can email questions or comments directly to district superintendent Eugene Sanders at askdrsanders@scs-k12.net.

Comments

IT'S ME

"This is wonderful news for our parents and families," school board president Tom Patterson

It is?? What is so wonderful about living in a city that is so poor parents can't feed their kids?

MrSandusky

I was thinking the same thing...

From the Grave

I think food should be free for EVERYONE in the grocery store anyway. NOBODY should ever go hungry anywhere.

IT'S ME

And they want the same parents who already can't afford to feed their kids to pass a school levy for money to build new schools?? Someone help me understand this??

sugar

Exactly my thoughts! If we qualify for such a program based on poverty, where the he** does this school board think all these impoverished parents will get that "pennies per week" to build a new building?
Has everyone lost their minds? Once again the Dept of Agriculture has no money, it produces nothing, it earns nothing, it's income is from TAXES. Those who pay taxes are providing the funds, it's nothing but a redistribution program. It falls on the shoulders of the middle income earners. 1% 's pay little "regular" taxes and 47% pY nothing. Yes this is wonderful!'!!!!

WeThePeople1965

You're missing an important point-- most parents with children in Sandusky are renting. So, the parents with children that go to SCS are too poor to afford $53 a month for each child, yet they're egged on at the polls to vote 'yes' to a huge issue like the one coming up. The PARENTS are not paying property taxes, therefore, of course they're going to vote yes. That is exactly why this happens.

Mum-of-One

Their landlord will pay taxes with the rent collected.

The Big Dog's back

Exactly.

sugar

Most of them are subsidized with section 8, we pay again.

arnmcrmn

sugar brings up a valid point here.

knowitall

Sugar dumplin with a valid point?? Not!

CommonsenseNow

@knowitall - Listen, I have a "poor family" next door to me. I don't have to read the news because I see it with my own two eyes. She has HUD pay her $700 rent payment. She doesn't pay for her utilities. She has food stamps. She is able-bodied and sits on her butt watching DirectTV all day. How do I know? Because the same week I had my DirectTV taken OUT so I could cut costs, she had her DirectTV put in. Swear to bob. Unbelievable. Her trash piles up because she doesn't pay the bill. And I just saw her car parked in her backyard yesterday, probably because she didn't pay that bill. Yet, I see her talking on her cell phone, because somehow that bill got paid. THIS IS MADNESS. PERIOD. When people who don't work live as well as the people who do work, tell me, why work?

KnuckleDragger

With rent money that is increasingly subsidized by the taxpayer.

CommonsenseNow

Yep!!!! These people have NO SKIN in the game. Not only are the renters with their houses ... they are renters in life. Never invested.

From the Grave

You are making a huge assumption that these "renters" are actually registered to vote, and then even bother to vote if they ARE registered.

8ballinthesidepocket

Wonderful news??? Not for me as I have to pay for what others are too lazy to provide. Another unearned undeserved program in the land of the takers!! I hope it's not on the Michelle Obozo plan or it will be just thrown in the garbage with the rest of the turnips. What a country!! How about providing free meals for the seniors and I don't mean seniors in high school. What did we do before all these welfare programs?

Mum-of-One

Minimum wage earners live in poverty. They are not lazy. Minimum wsge jobs are a plenty in this county.

Chirp

It's not the students fault their parents are too lazy to provide.

YoMamma

This is just another hook into the mouths of children from the welfare system! Teach them young to look to uncle sugar for a free handout. Ghetto ghetto ghetto!

Chirp

No, if this encourages one more misguided youth to go to school, it is well worth it.

SamAdams

I echo the what the others here have to say. This isn't a "free" program. SOMEbody is paying for it, and guess who that somebody is? That's right: Those of us who actually WORK for a living!

Too many taxpayers are already tapped out. Too many people are already getting too many giveaways. What's the ultimate goal here, to make EVERYbody dependent on government? If that is, indeed, the "prize," the end game is obviously well underway!

The Big Dog's back

The goal is is to get companies to pay a living wage so they don't need assistance.

Fromthe419

I wish it were true Big Dog, but globalization killed any chance of good paying jobs that don't have an advanced skill set. This goes back to the 1970's when the petro dollar was created. The only way the rest of the world can buy oil is to pay their workers crap wages and import their cheap junk to us. We will never be able to compete on the world platform on menial jobs ever again, thank you Mr Nixon. Even today with all that is going on in the world our leaders are still defending the petro dollar in Iraq, Iran and Syria. Why is Ghadafi dead, look up what he was proposing...an alternative payment method of oil that did not include the US Dollar.

CommonsenseNow

@bigdog - you really have no clue to what you're saying. You know ZERO about economics or running a business. You just parrot things that look all shiny from the outside without EVER bothering to open the thing up and see if it actually works. If it is so easy starting a business, getting customers, complying with the library of laws we have ... why don't you do it? Yep. Quit pulling out your stereotypes of big companies and golden-parachuted CEOs, and talk about the other 80% of businesses (small business). Start your own business and hire people at a living wage. If you are INCAPABLE of staring your own business, then why do you feel the need to tell other business owners what they need to pay employees? "A living wage" will just cause more unemployment. Get some education. Try harder. Spend the time you waste watching TV learning about a trade that is in demand. Quit sucking off everyone who tries to start a company and then wonder why there are fewer of them.

ohioengineer

I couldn't agree more. I love it when some politician tells me that I am getting "free" money. Is he going to grant me a waiver on paying federal and state income taxes? If not, all that is happening is that I am sending a lot of money to Washington or Columbus so that some "benevolent" politicians can send a few pennies back - for which I am supposed to be eternally grateful. What a racket.

streak

I am both sides of the fence. This program is being used by many schools, especially up around Lorain and cleveland. This is an America issue and I will not fault the CHILDREN but as a taxpayer, at least I know my middle class wages is being used in the schools and for the good of children.

YoMamma

Its both the Demtards and Retards! Both parties are corrupt and there is no one who can stop them!!!

MissySams

It's really not hard to understand. Sandusky is FULL of renters, who can vote for a levy and devoid of homeowners who pay for the levy!!!

Mum-of-One

Rent is an income which would go towards paying city taxes.

knowitall

Yes it is. Landlords don't "eat" the tax, they pass it on. That is the capitalistic thing to do.

Another Day

We HAD rentals in the city and got rid of them. Yes mostly all Section 8, but the RENT subsidy is NOT always equal to the fair market rent at all, in fact most rents are negotiated down, sometimes by almost 50%. It is up to the landlord to accept, but to have a guaranteed check is nice so you are not chasing money. So the government basically tells landlords what they are allowed to rent a unit or house for and they then reimburse all or part if it. It was never equal to the fair market rent for us. Which meant the rent, never covered the mortgage and taxes and in multi-unit double the water & sewer bill. Plus the tax rates on rentals have not been updated since 2006, so we were being billed taxes for a house worth half of what it used to be worth. All in all we walked away..and taxes could never get covered with the rents received. And yes, the renters would just sit there and collect SSI on their kids and unemployment. But drove nicer cars than us and had more shoes than I could count.

SamAdams

You'd think so, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, a huge percentage of Sandusky rentals involve yet MORE welfare payments. In other words, the landlords raise the rent to cover the taxes and the taxpayer not only pays his own increased property taxes but the increased metro payments as well. ENOUGH!

deertracker

How do you know this? Just because you rent does not mean you are on metro and so what if you are. If big companies paid a living wage and stop expecting the gov't to subsidize their employees' life we may not be here.

Beside EC is way behind in collecting property taxes so guess who is not paying!

SamAdams

I know that merely renting doesn't equal paying that rent with taxpayer dollars, and I suggested no such thing. What I SAID was that a high percentage of renters have their rent paid by, or subsidized with, taxpayer dollars. It's not like those numbers are hidden or otherwise unavailable!

Wages are paid based on market value. If all you do is flip burgers -- never intended to be anything but an entry-level job -- why should you be paid the same as the manager? If all you do is sweep floors -- again, an entry-level job -- why should you be paid the same as the engineers overseeing the assembly line? Want to get paid more? LEARN TO DO MORE! Duh.

As for your last point, I wish I had a counter for that. I don't. It's probable that some of those unpaid taxes are the result of financial hardship, but I don't doubt some are also the result of people who lie and cheat and steal on their OTHER taxes, too. That the County seems either far behind or uninterested makes any requests for still more levy dollars seem to be even more of a "take advantage of the taxpayer" proposition, doesn't it?

The Big Dog's back

sam, the light's on and nobody's home in your mind. They are NOT entry level jobs anymore. So quit saying it.

deertracker

IF the numbers are so available, post them. I disagree with the entry level job theory. Lots of fast food managers started out flipping burgers. Most jobs start out with an entry level position. No one is saying your entry level wages should equal mgmt. pay but it would be nice after working 40 hours you can afford to pay the rent. Education is expensive and there are still no guarantees you will get this great job. What exactly do you think "underemployed" means?

Everyone goes off about the renters but I actually wish I could find a nice rental. Property taxes are crazy high in this town and calculated very unfairly. It's not worth it. I paid lots of property and other taxes when I was raising my family. They are grown now and I just don't want that expense anymore. The renters are the smart ones. That American dream has turned into a nightmare for many. Also, these slumlords that live in their nice homes in the suburbs have no problem cashing that metro check every month so complaining about renters is a bit hypocritical. They are the ones that don't pay their property taxes and don't want to support their own school districts.

sugar

You do realize you're talking out of both sides of your mouth? On one hand you support all the programs that live on taxes but you think taxes are too high? So who do you think should be subsidizing all those progra you advocate for? You don't even want to!
Everyone needs to read this post by DEERTRACKER! This is your mindset of your everyday union Democrat here in Sandusky, everyone else supply the funds for all of those services I desire for myself, neighbors and family, just don't expect me to.

Julie R.

You got that right, deertracker. Just look at what Erie County and the city of Sandusky allowed the slumlord Joe Yost to get away with!

timary

Do I want to see children go hungry? NO I do not. I also don't want more generations to grow up thinking that the government will take care of them and EXPECT the government to take care of them. So many of these "poor families on assistance" still manage to have all the extras in life. When and how will this ever stop? My spouse and I only had two children because that is what we thought we could handle financially. We worked opposite shifts so we didn't have to pay for full time child care when they were young. I get tired of these families having more than they can afford knowing full well they can get assistance or better yet a free ride. Aren't ya supposed to teach a man to fish rather than hand him a fish for dinner?

The Big Dog's back

So quit your job and get all those "free" extras. Let us know how that works out.

SamAdams

Didn't you see the numbers released a few months ago that showed being on welfare in a number of states resulted in your "earning" more money than even a halfway decent job? Over $40,000 a year, as I recall!

The able-bodied shouldn't get a nickel without working for it. You earn YOUR paycheck, don't you? Me, too! So why don't people work to get food stamps, metro, whatever? Oh, wait: BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO!

How about parents EARN those "free" school breakfasts and lunches? How about parents pick up trash in the parking lot, mop hallway floors, be cafeteria monitors, shovel snow, help maintain order on buses, etc.? Schools would save money thus alleviating the "need" for yet ANOTHER levy, and students would see that WORK is required for rewards!

The Big Dog's back

Do you get deductions?

SamAdams

1. No. Items eligible for deductions don't total enough (and I have no dependent children).

2. Deductions aren't "handouts." It just means you pay less IN, not that you get extra BACK.

Now, let's go back to the original supposition that EVERYbody gets handouts, and PROVE it.

knowitall

You got your handouts earlier in life!! Wow! Sucking off the govt teat!

deertracker

Sam, who on this planet earns 40,000.00 dollars per year from welfare? Who? Where? How? It does not happen unless you are cheating the system. This is America. Some like you want to rave about how great a country this is yet are okay with kids going hungry. Those parents you speak of go to work just like you and I. This outdated antiquated theory that welfare pays well and mothers are eager to receive it because it is great is just that! Outdated and antiquated. Lots of school districts qualify for this program.

SamAdams

Study: Welfare pays more than work in most states

http://tinyurl.com/lckfp92

deertracker

You have to stop believing this garbage. Welfare does not pay 30 dollars per hour! This is just comical and even more comical that you believe this stuff.

sugar

It's a fact.

KnuckleDragger

It does when you throw in all the freebies.

CommonsenseNow

@deer - Like I said, the same week I had my DirectTV taken OUT to cut costs, the able-bodied welfare lady next door had her DirectTV put in. That's all I need to know. There is a huge problem with entitlements and it's bankrupting this country. It keeps the middle class down and it keeps the welfare class down. And no, the parents of which I speak DON'T WORK.

"These [blacks], they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us [Democrat Party] since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference." --Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1957 - PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT, U.S. PRESIDENT WHO AUTHORED THE GREAT SOCIETY. AN ABSOLUTE FAILURE.

Informed

So you are advocating for people to be put out of their paying job (custodians, etc) by people who get public assistance?

knowitall

Eugene Sanders has been a great leader for the district. Good job!

deertracker

Agreed!

sugar

Sanders is another big gov liberal who thinks it's the duty of the taxpayers to support everyone's kids from cradle to grave, not to mention his ample rear end.

knowitall

Sugar pie......you are not a nice person.

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JMOP

Did I miss something? Anyone, even those who can afford to buy a lunch can get the free breakfast and lunch?

"Families do not need to fill out any paperwork or register to participate in the program."

knowitall

Pretty amazing isn't it. That part I am surprised at, if in fact that is the case. Not sure if it is though.

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JMOP

I was looking to see if you have to meet the federal guidelines to qualify, and there is no need for ADDITIONAL paperwork for the breakfast. If what I'm reading is correct, anyone get get their free meal ticket.

Edit: In other words: they have to meet the federal standards for the free lunch to be able to receive the free breakfast.

I'm dumbfounded if that is the fact.

The Big Dog's back

Pretty sad the right wingnuts have drug the area into poverty.

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JMOP

Oh really? Who is the the mayor working in your city? Murray? Is he a right wingnut, or Demoncrap, making more money in a year than you ever will in your lifetime? Hmm...

sugar

HAHAHA, this county has been in hands of Democrats for 1/2 a century.

knowitall

Let's see. A century is 100 years. Half a century is 50 years. That leaves 50 years for the other party. Oh wait, that must mean the republicans have had control for half a century too. Is my math correct?

KnuckleDragger

So just as Dems still blame Bush I'm guessing this line of questioning will lead to you blaming this mess on a Repub that was in office 50 yrs ago. LOL, predictable.

knowitall

Actually, it started with outsourcing jobs overseas. Your government, whether republican or democrat, allowed jobs to leave so we could go global. I remember politicians saying the wages of Mexico and China would come up to our wages. Guess what, the opposite happened. Wage stagnation in this country for the working class while the upper level wage earners saw their wages skyrocket. Our country prospered with a healthy middle class. The middle class is disappearing. So, there is plenty of blame to share.

KnuckleDragger

LMAO, the Democrat party has controlled Erie County politics for as long as I've been alive.

The Big Dog's back

Why don't the counties property owners pay their back taxes?

KnuckleDragger

Good question, maybe the county should put some effort into fixing this.

seriously 1137

Every kids gets free lunch, and free breakfast without having to qualify for it or fill out papers. They go to school and eat. That's it. You know how the inmates go to jail and get 3 meals a day. They don't have to work for it or fill out papers for it either

lmalley77

Seriously, this is the best comment I have come across so far! Everyone is on here whining and complaining about KIDS getting FOOD while they are in school, but the government feeds how many convicted criminals behind bars 3 square meals a day for YEARS UP ON YEARS FOR FREE...AND WAIT FOR IT.....ON TAXPAYER MONEY!!!!!!!!! You people need to get off your high horses and lobby to get the laws changed to feed ALL students in America for free, and make the INMATES EARN their 3 meals per day!!!! Oh, but that wouldn't make sense, would it!? And all of you who are arguing about Democrat this and Republican that should really sit back and read your posts and look at how ignorant you sound at assuming that every parent in the Sandusky school system is just a lazy, no good, leach of the system! You say, "make them work for those free meals, clean up trash in the parking lot or mop floors in the schools or work in the cafeterias." WHAT in the world gives you the inclination that EVERY parent of Sandusky City School children don't have a job????? Just because they aren't riding tall on their high horses and gazing through their rose colored glasses through their glass houses like YOU are, doesn't mean that they don't go to work to provide for their family!! And by YOU, I mean, whomever the shoe fits!!! Have YOU had to pay rent lately? How about utility bills? And groceries? Oh goodness, I bet you eat, so you would know that a run to the grocery store for even the most basic items wouldn't cost less than $30! Plus mandated car and health insurance. On top of GAS to put in your car to get to your job. And then you have basic living expenses, toilet paper, soap, dishsoap, laundry detergent to wash clothes, shampoo, toothpaste, etc. Not to mention kids who are ever growing and needing new clothes and shoes, socks, underwear, etc. So PLEASE, tell me, even if someone works a job making more than minimum wage, let's say, even $10 an hour, HOW is this one person, with, let's say, two kids, and let's just for poop and giggles sake say, NO assistance, supposed to survive and pay EVERYTHING on their own!?!?!?! PLEASE, do us all a favor, sit down and do an estimate of this mother's monthly expenses, based on her having a three bedroom rental house, most of those are around $750 in this area, decent or not. I would, but I'm heading to an appointment. Anyhow, do that! Figure out how much money mommy dearest has left AFTER she pays all of her bills and buys everything she needs to to support her two children every month! GUARANTEE she doesn't even have ENOUGH!!!!!!

lor70

AGREE!!! Very nicely put! There are a lot of families in the city where the parents both work, who own their home, pay taxes and try to raise their family the best way they can! So, when I heard about the free lunches, I was very happy because that is one less thing I have to worry about! But according to some, I am taking advantage of the "system"! Well, yes I am!! This gives me approx. another $60 in my pocket a month to use for something else! THANKS SCS!!

lmalley77

Lor70, and you should be happy that you don't have to keep paying that extra money every week while your children are in school to eat!! If inmates can eat for free, then by golly, our children of this country should be able to also!!! And I forgot to mention in my original post, even if mommy is working an above minimum wage job making $10 an hour, she still isn't bring home the $400 a week that she earns per week because, wait for it.....THEY TAKE OUT TAXES!!!!! But I guess that concept is too hard for some to realize in this discussion board! Look, don't you let any of these people make you or your family feel any less than they are, because you are right, I believe it all boils down to one thing here, SCS are getting free meals and theirs aren't. And if theirs did, they know dang well they wouldn't insist on still writing that check every week to pay for that food their kids are eating while at school!!

Julie R.

This doesn't really make a bit of sense. If people are really that poor that they can't afford to feed their kids breakfast and lunch, wouldn't they qualify for food stamps? It also does not make a bit of sense that families do not need to fill out any paperwork or register to participate in the program. Does that mean the entire school can participate in it, no questions asked?

I swear, I think they pull off this crap all the time (and not only the schools) just to get all these federal grants, which is really taxpayer money.

knowitall

I think, don't know for sure, that part of the situation is that the kids don't get fed. You would be amazed at some of the circumstances that a lot of these children have to live. It may be money, but also negligent parent(s). Some kids are raised by their older siblings. It is sad. So, their only nutrition might be in the schools. Like I said, I am not sure, but I have known circumstances like I mentioned.

samiam

JMOP...It is free for all students, no matter what the household income.
Knowitall...If they live in metro housing, tax dollars help to subsidize their rent, so property owners are paying twice.

I don't mind helping someone who has fallen on hard times and tries to help themselves, but I get upset when my tax dollars goes to someone who won't get up in the morning to get their child to school on time, who gets fancy manicures every other week (that I can't afford), who has multiple tattoes (which aren't cheap), who has a huge flat screen tv, and has a smart phone (which I can't afford), who gets food stamps and government assistance. Now I have to feed their children every school day but don't get to claim their children as a deduction on my income tax.

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@Samiam

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I read it that way, the right way. I was trying not to get to pi$$ed off. I would be furious if I lived in Sandusky, but only in time this will be in place for ALL school districts. Feeling disgusted about now.

timary

amen samiam. I am constantly writing checks for my kids lunch accounts at school. fifty bucks over and over again all school year. If some get it for free I would at least appreciate some sort of write off on my tax return for paying for what others get for free using my tax money. seems fair enough...

knowitall

Pack their lunch.

sugar

He still buys the food, idiot.

knowitall

Well aren't you nasty sugar dumplin! They could save some money with PBJ sandwiches. That would probably be better than tax deduction. Of course, you don't like govt hand outs no matter who gets them. So, a tax deduction is out of the question for you sugar dumplin.

The Big Dog's back

Absolutely correct. No more tax deductions for right wingers. We don't want you to get any Gov handouts.

knowitall

Lol. Take mine away too big dog.

sugar

Tax deductions are not hand outs, it was never their money in the first place. It's sad that most Americans are ignorant about taxes. Mindless, complicit drones, yes We need that program , let's give big corrupt gov more of our earnings so they can dole out goodies to us, and we think it's free.

knowitall

Tax deductions not handouts? Hahahahahahaha.

sugar

You can't return someone's money to them and call it a handout. Now EIC, that's a handout.

totallyamazed

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Our (and the student's) excitement may be short lived once they see the federally funded and mandated free food options: 3 carrot strips, a slim jim, and one hard tack. Covers the major food groups except for fruit but who needs fruit anyway. No over weight students allowed in this school system.

HA!
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knowitall

Lol. You are 100% right totally amazed. You have to be pretty hungry to eat the free lunch. Most will want the ala carte lunch. You can eat all the crap you want on ala carte. The federal lunch program is healthy but not wanted by students. It is kind of stupid to mandate a certain plate lunch but then not require it for everybody. It defeats the purpose of the program. Oh well.

totallyamazed

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I agree and will take it one step further. If I was a bettn' man I'd say that within 2 years the ala carte option is done away with. Personally, I think the free food option is being done so it can be mandated what little Joey eats or in most cases, will not eat. I hope they continue (in the future) allowing the students the freedom of choice.
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lor70

Not every family in SCS district are renters or on welfare! I have children in this district and my husband and I both work without any aid from anyone and own our home! I pay taxes and plan on taking advantage of this program. It will help dramatically! Please stop clumping all of us into the same category! Dr. Sanders has been doing a lot of good for our district!

knowitall

I do like what Eugene Sanders is doing overall.

totallyamazed

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I haven't ate a school lunch in {{cough}} a few years but I do remember that in four years of high school I ate from the straight line selection once. The straight line for those that don't recall or realize what it is, was a selected menu put forth by the system.

The menu items (in general) were not to my liking plus my mom always FORCED us to eat our veggies at home so why would I eat school frozen peas and carrots, half melted ice cream, cold grilled cheese? Just because it's cheap or free doesn't mean quality and likability from a students standpoint.

The school can keep it's governmental free & mandated food items. I'll stick with my 2 peanut butter cookies, milkshake and a Flintstones multivitamin.

HA!
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The Big Dog's back

Just think people, now you know what a Corporation feels like getting Gov "handouts".

knowitall

Everybody gets some kind of handout. You just may not look hard enough to see it.

SamAdams

Okay, I'll bite: What, pray tell, "handouts" am I receiving?

The Big Dog's back

Tax deductions. Pay the full tax.

SamAdams

See my response to your earlier claim that tax deductions are "handouts," and try again.

knowitall

You own a house you get a deduction. I rent....no deduction. You get something I don't. I subsidize that handout to you.

You eat food? It is subsidized by the government. There is another handout you don't see but you get.

sugar

It's not the govwrents money, did you not read Sams reply, you cannot return someone's money to them and call it a handout. Again, the government at all levels has no money, it produces nothing, it earns nothing, any money it has it takes from producers in the form of taxes.
It's not that difficult to understand, you're brainwashed to think it's owed to gov.

knowitall

Look Sugar dumplin. The government gave you a tax deduction that I as a renter did not get. That sounds like a handout to me.....a gift from the government. You did not earn it at a job. It was given to you. It gives you money back. Not all your money but money from the treasury that I put in too. So, you should thank me for sharing. So, take away your tax deduction and see how much you whine.
Oh, by the way, if you don't want to be called a taker, man up and tell your tax person not to include the deduction.

I did read SAMs stuff. He is screwed up in his thinking. Govt prices supports help keep milk prices down. Say thanks govt! These are not direct govt give always to you but indirect ones. That is why I said we all get them, just don't always see them. Capice!

SamAdams

Knowitall, you only get a tax deduction on mortgage interest if you're paying over a certain amount. You only get a tax deduction on medical expenses if you're paying over a certain amount. You only get a tax deduction on charitable contributions if you're paying over a certain amount. Are you beginning to catch my drift, here?

NOTE: These are DEDUCTIONS you may make from the amount you owe the federal government. They are not dollars that are given to you above and beyond your tax liability. You can call it anything you want to call it, but stealing fewer of my dollars at gunpoint ISN'T a "handout."

As for the various and sundry farm subsidies, I'm opposed to ALL of them. Are you aware, by the way, that the mohair subsidy (enacted during World War II to encourage the production of more wool -- seems military uniforms were made of wool) still exists today? There are also milk subsidies, corn subsidies (which is worth even more if you turn the corn into ethanol that nobody uses), sugar subsidies, etc. Know where the money funding these subsidies comes from? THE TAXPAYER! Once again, returning some of my own money to me isn't a handout any more than me stealing your watch and giving it to you for Christmas is a gift!

sugar

Poor soul doesn't think they take his money! Lol

Florence Nightingale

Sam and Sugar, are there any taxes that you do support?

knowitall

SamAdams......I am guessing you could not afford all those products if those subsidies were no longer given. The additional amount you would pay for those products would more than exceed whatever taxes you pay. Why do you think the subsidies were given in the first place?
If there were no subsidies I would bet you'd be on assistance.
I have used those deductions you mentioned so I am well aware of how they helped me pay less taxes while my sister who rented did not get that advantage. Deductions are there so you pay less taxes. I do agree with you about semantics. Bottom line is you get a government benefit that others might not get.
As far as my watch......I am not into expensive watches. If I spend more than $20, that is a lot. So, think of something else to get me for Christmas. Have a good one!

deertracker

knowitall is correct. Learn tax law Sam!

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thinkagain

I agree, the mortgage tax deduction is a government subsidy for home buying. Tax breaks are no different from any other kind of government spending.

YoMamma

Now we know how you feel big dork! I'm sure I pass you in Kroger on your fattycap electric chair the first of the month.

The Big Dog's back

Do you write off any deductions on your income tax?

grumpy

"Do you write off any deductions on your income tax?"

In piddle puppy world all money is the government's money. Any you keep for yourself is a gov't handout, you are stealing from the gov't. Doesn't matter that the law says deductions are allowed. It is gov't money that you are stealing. This is how left wingnuts believe, this is what he wants, and those like him, for everyone. Care to vote for the "party" he backs and believes will do what he envisions? If so vote for the party who controls his every thought, word and deed. you have seen over time how much his "party" controls him and his thoughts. Find out what really BIG gov't can do. Gov't controls who gets what, how much they get, and what they are allowed to do with what gov't deems fit to allow them to have. Big gov't on display by piddles, and the left wingnut crowd. Thanks for being an example... again.

The Big Dog's back

Where's your integrity and values? You don't want to be perceived and as receiver of Gov handouts do you? Pay your rate on tax, no freebies.

grumpy

To piddles and left wingnuts, all money is gov't money. You are only entitleted to what the "party" in power deems fit to allow you to have. See how he tries to avoid what he wants, and won't put it out that he wants all money controlled by his big gov't? Only big gov't can be allowed to tell you what you can have, what you can use it for. No matter what the law says, only big gov't can have money and tell you how to use what big gov't deems fit to let you have. Laws don't matter, all money MUST go to gov't. See how his mind works? Integrity and values from a party that has a leader who claimed that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, the average family of 4 will save $2500 per year, we will be out of Iraq 16 months after he was elected, Gitmo will be closed. I can keep going, but after a few integrity and values being represented by someone who said such things makes it not needed. Thanks for being an example.

The Big Dog's back

Where did I say I want all money controlled by the Gov? Show me.

grumpy

"Where's your integrity and values? You don't want to be perceived and as receiver of Gov handouts do you? Pay your rate on tax, no freebies."

Sounds like a flat tax or a fair tax, both with no deductions. No problem piddles, I didn't think you would be backing something like those, good to see the change in you! Very "progressive" of you. I linked the wiki for the two below, Wiki gives a good beginning primer on what they are and how they work. Which do you prefer, fair or flat?

Fair Tax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fai...

Flat Tax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fla...

SamAdams

There are excellent reasons to support tax reform, and both the fair tax and the flat tax are good, simple alternatives to the current mess. And I agree that there should be NO deductions. Since we'd all be paying less in taxes, not having deductions wouldn't hurt anybody; since we'd ALL be paying taxes, there'd be no more of the much-hated 1% avoiding taxation.

I'll bet you a few of the many dollars I'd save under such a tax code, though, that Dog would scream bloody murder if he couldn't have his deductions! I mean, he already thinks that having deductions means the government is GIVING him free money...

The Big Dog's back

You getting that free money sam?

lifetimeresident

We need to come up with a solution on how generations of families have been raised and taught. When great grandparent no s, and grandparent no s, and parent no s, have all been taught that this is a world of not working and everything is given to you, we have a problem. Lets break this faze.

Gardenman

If they can get free meals from our federal tax dollars then go for it. I do wonder how and why some who in Sandusky clearly have the money to buy lunches get a free ride. But hey if one has money and lives on Cedar Point Chauseey then why not get a free lunch.

Really given this perk for the city............the Republican Party should just roll over in Sandusky and die...........every one of these Sandusky residents better support Obama and love him forever. Given this free perk there better not be one resident in Sandusky who bad mouths the President.

sugar

It's not free lor70, if you pay taxes you pay for it.
If you participate in the free breakfast and lunch at school and are on SNAP, your SNAP should be reduced.

KURTje

You people forgot Jerry Stackhouse & Joe Yost.

knowitall

Loved but not forgotten.

LivinOnTheLake

Well, if you all are against providing free breakfast and lunch to the children we KNOW, then I guess all of you are totally against any tax dollars going towards feeding, clothing, insuring, etc., to all the illegal alien children crossing the US/Mexico border.

knowitall

As a wise republican once said, " let them eat cake". Yes, feed them till you can send them back to their homeland.....soon.

pptrsha

what a laugh landlords make so much money!!!! mortgage payment 448.00, water bill 50.00, tax 75.00, ins. 75.00 per month. total cost 668.00. metro pays 598.00 landlord now is 70.00 in the hole every month since taxes and ins. increased. we pray nothing breaks because then we are really screwed. the federal govt rules that fair market rent is over 700.00 per month but metro doesn't really pay fair market rent, and tenants that don't get help and work for minimum wage CANT PAY FAIR MARKET RENT. WE CANT TAKE THE DEDUCTIONS FOR REPAIRS IF WE DONT CHARGE IT. we also pay income tax on rents collected. we do eat rents not collected. the court system will award us rent but you cant collect from someone that has nothing to begin with. I am sure there are landlords out there making money but the majority of us are dying out here now. so when we give our property back to the bank because we cant keep eating the taxes that get raised that will be more properties that Sandusky wont get taxes for. I do not begrudge free meals for the kids in the school system. my kids went to sandusky and now my grandkids go to Sandusky. it is horrible to see kids out there without basic care. it saddens my heart to think of kids going hungry. I have yet to see any of my tenants with manicures, nice cars, flat screens, or smart phones. the ones that rent from me cant even keep their utilities on all year. so someone please tell us how to get luxery items? I don't even have them. my car is 12 years old, my phone was 10.00, and we haven't bought new anything in 3 years. thanks!

knowitall

The last time I owned rental property Metro paid a major portion and the tenant paid the difference. Doesn't it work that way any more?

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@pptrsa

My anger doesn't lie with the hungry children that live in American poverty (I'm a childhood survivor myself), my anger is with this program in itself. It's government waste. If people can afford to buy their lunch, but simply choose not too, more money is needed for that program. More money, more money, more money.

knowitall

Yep. There does seem to be a need for a guideline for this. Carte Blanche does not seem right. If you need it fine. But, if not, don't get it.

sugar

Everyone is living in OBAMAVILLE, while he parties at Martha Vineyard with the Democrats second great love the Clinton's.

knowitall

Yep sugar dumplin! Let's dump obamaville and try the republican alternative......Palinville. Man was that a stupid pick. She must have blown in McCain's ear.

sugar

Somehow Palin managed to return money to her Alaskan constituents. Give me Palinville.

knowitall

Alaska is like Russia or Iraq or Saudi Arabia. The only thing they have of any commercial value is oil. Check that out on your website. That makes it real easy to balance a budget. Give me unlimited revenue and I will give you some back.
You want Palinville? Wow! I would have taken McCain, but not Sarah. She quits in the middle of things. Since you don't like Obama (neither do I but don't tell anyone) have your republican buddies nominate someone of substance.

The Big Dog's back

If all these right wingnuts would just tell their kids not to eat the meals, think of all the money we would save. After all, we don't want to get the impression that you right wingnuts get handouts. There, that was easy.

bjm

I've dropped off my kids at school and heard other children ask their teachers about breakfast. They're hungry. They can't concentrate on learning without something in their belly. Our tax dollars are well spent feeding our children---which costs a tiny, tiny fraction compared to the US military budget.
If the district qualifies for this program, I'm glad they are availing themselves of it.

sugar

There are children who do qualify for Fed subsidized lunches. That's not what this program is. Stop with the left wing talking points, can you post some figures on your claim?
If I had kids in the SCS I wouldn't let them participate.

deertracker

Good, more for those that need it!

sugar

Problem is it's hypothetical. Can you be more ignorant?

knowitall

Are you saying our military budget is bigger than Russia and China combined? Cause it is. I agree with ya bjm.

totallyamazed

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This was such a good response I wrote and posted earlier, I think I'll share it again, enjoy:

I haven't ate a school lunch in a {{cough}} few years but I do remember that in four years of high school I ate from the straight line selection once. The straight line for those that don't recall or realize what it is, was a selected menu put forth by the system.

The menu items (in general) were not to my liking plus my mom always FORCED us to eat our veggies at home so why would I eat school frozen peas and carrots, half melted ice cream, cold grilled cheese? Just because it's cheap or free doesn't mean quality and likability from a students standpoint.

The school can keep it's governmental free & mandated food items. I'll stick with my 2 peanut butter cookies, milkshake and a Flintstones multivitamin.

HA!
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The Big Dog's back

Why didn't you pack your lunch?

totallyamazed

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You know, that's a good question. The only thing I can think of is my bologna and mayo sandwich would have spoiled by the time I ate it.
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knowitall

Bologna will last a while. Use mustard, it will too. Or try a cooler. That is what I use.

totallyamazed

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Thanks, I'll remember that.
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Tsu Dho Nimh

I hope none of the naysayers enjoy a cup of coffee or a bag of popcorn at a local business while they wait for a service to be performed. Those "handouts" are paid for buy other customers who pay for services. I typically don't indulge in these handouts so maybe I should get a discount on my bill. I certainly wouldn't want to contribute to the free loaders.

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JMOP

You're comparing a private business in which we are able to choose to do business with or not, to the federal government in which we have no choice of say where OUR money rots at?

Please come up with a more practical comparison.

The Big Dog's back

It's a freebee right jmop?

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JMOP

No Big Dog. It's not a freebie. It's called a gimmick.

knowitall

A gimmick costs money. Goes into budget. Then price goes up. So, we all pay for that "free" gimmick that only you might be getting.

The Big Dog's back

Amen. These right wingnuts think they deserve everything they get.

YoMamma

And the libtards think it is theirs to give away!

WaterStreetCooncat

I'm curious about the Nursery/Day Care Center at SHS. The students that are baby mamas & bring their babies to school with them, does the SHS Nursery/Day Care Center also provide free baby food & formula for the students babies?

knowitall

And if they do, so what?

Tsu Dho Nimh

There is no daycare at SHS. The Early Childhood class goes out into community pre-schools for their training.

LivinOnTheLake

Unbelievable...most of you people on here are so anxious to post some ignorant NEGATIVE message your missing the whole point of this free breakfast/lunch program. I'm not saying I have all the answers because I don't work for the City Schools (and probably 99% of you all commenting don't either). But, look at it this way, approximately 80% of Sandusky school kids qualified for free meals as it was. There wouldn't be much of a cost spike to feed the other 20%. Also, kids are at the schools around 7 hours a day, 5 days a week. It is a proven fact that with good nourishment, students are far more likely to be better learners than if they are hungry. Over the past 50 years or so, schools have had to pick up alot of things that Parents SHOULD be doing for their children but are not. Whose fault is that? The schools are trying to provide a support mechanism so that kids can grow up to be responsible, civic-minded adults.

To all of you that want to spout off about not wanting your tax dollars going to stupid programs like this, just what other studid government program do you want your tax dollars going to???

And before anyone tries to put the label on me of being a typical Erie County liberal democrat, try again. I am a conservative who actually moved here within the last 15 years from another region of Ohio.

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