Denny Faber returns

Sandusky Central Catholic Schools reverses course; rehires longtime athletic director
Alissa Widman Neese
Jul 30, 2014

widman@sanduskyregister.com

Sandusky Central Catholic School has reversed course on the controversial firing of its longtime athletic director.

Denny Faber, a 31-year employee, has regained his job for the 2014-15 school year, according to a statement school spokeswoman Emily Kasper emailed the Register on Monday.

His one-year contract is effective Aug. 1 to June 30, 2015.

He will serve alongside new hire Ryan Wikel as co-athletic director and will retire in 2015, after training Wikel as his successor, according to the statement.

"The school is grateful to Mr. Faber for his willingness to provide training for his successor and grateful to the benefactors who have made this possible," according to the statement, which Kasper said is from school vicar, the Rev. Michael Roemmele. 

The arrangement echoes Faber's hopes for the position, which he told the Register earlier this month.

In January, Sandusky Central Catholic School first explained out this plan to Faber, according to the school's Monday statement. But months later, projections of a "meaningful budgetary shortfall" kept school officials from offering him a one-year contract for the upcoming school year.  

Since then, a "small group of generous benefactors" contributed funds to assist with Faber's return, Kasper said Tuesday.

School board president Tamara Humphrey told the Register earlier this month the board doesn't comment on any decisions involving personnel, but Kasper's responses Monday provided some insight.

In April, school board members learned subsidies from Sandusky's three Catholic parishes are projected to decline, Kasper said.

Although funds from the school's education foundation are projected to increase, it didn't appear they'd offset the deficit, requiring changes to the school budget.

After discussing their options with administrators, school board members decided in May to not renew Faber's one-year contract for another year, among other cost-saving measures, she said.

Sandusky Central Catholic School awards all its employees one-year contracts each year.

"It became necessary to take steps to ensure that the school could operate within its budgetary constraints now and into the future," Kasper said. "Based on the budgetary realities, it was determined that it was necessary to accelerate the planned transition and eliminate the athletic director position."

The statement Kasper provided did not include specific dollar amounts.

Monday's unanticipated statement comes just a day after members of Sandusky's three Catholic parishes elected two new school board members and a pastor appointed a third member. Board members will soon choose new officers, including president.

Additionally, it's been three weeks since Faber, a 1967 St. Mary's High School graduate, first spoke with the Register about losing his job

Faber contended the decision, which the school called a "non-renewal," was an unjust firing prompted by ill-intentioned school board members. He also attributed the school board to other controversial decisions occurring this past school year.

He spoke out because he was fearful for his alma mater's future, and he cares deeply about the school, he said July 8.

When contacted Tuesday, Faber said he's pleased to return for his final year at Sandusky Central Catholic School, and kept conversation brief.

He'll likely return to the office Monday, and he has a lot of catching up to do, he said.

"This is all I wanted to do, and it's the way we originally set it up," Faber said. "I'm very thankful for the people who supported me. I certainly look forward to getting back at it."

Note: Because Sandusky Central Catholic School is a private school and not funded by tax dollars, it is not required to release any documents or financial information to the Register.

 

Comments

jadenicole3

This is fantastic news! He never deserved to be fired in the first place. He's given a lot to SMCC/SCC in the many years as Athletic Director. Glad to see he will be back!

sugar

Heading in the right direction!

knowitall

Wow Sugar! You and I are in agreement in this subject.

wallyworld16

Let me get this straight...they cut teachers salaries who have dedicated 20+ years of their life to that DUMP, kidnap and blackmail a former teacher who is now suing the school, and all the other issues they have. But now they re-hire a guy who didn't get his contract renewed, which probably happened because of his incompetence. Stay clueless SMCC!!!

OSUAV8TER

Speaking about who's clueless...

whattheBucks

Emily, not sure how much you were involved with bringing Mr Faber back, but it is a step in the right direction on showing people how you treat someone who has dedicated more then 30 years to your school. Good job

knowitall

Wally....you are wrong about Mr. Faber. He was very competent. So, your comment is idiotic babble. It is good that he was brought back. He is a good man and well respected by his peers. However, on the other comments I do agree with the 20+ and former teacher comment.

wallyworld16

Obviously you don't "know it all." It's my understanding that he doesn't have a cell phone, which probably makes him the only Athletic Director in the country without one. Plus, I don't know if he even knows how to turn a computer on, let alone use one. Finally, did you ever see him coach a basketball game? COMPLETE INCOMPETENCE!!!

knowitall

Wally.....You crack me up. Jon Stewart would have a field day with your comments. I sure am glad to have had a chance to reply to someone as perfect as you. I guess you might be the most competent person I "know", except for maybe Jesus.

OSUAV8TER

Wally, "Atheltic Director" is not a proper noun. It should be athletic director.

DirkDiggler

Indian givers.... Denny shoulda told them to shove that job where the sun don't shine and find someone else to train golden boy !

Gardenman

True, but there are those who do their job with class and there are those who are classless. Denny showed class and that he is an educator first. I think he demonstrated to a lot of SMCC students that the school is more important than getting even. Those same students are going to experience the same in their lives and that at times it just isn't fair.......then they will remember back to Denny and say I need to do what is best for what I believe in.

DirkDiggler

Or....it's alright to let people totally disrespect you and crap all over the past 30 years you have devoted your life to.

lugnut2511

Whatever makes the school feel better about that situation.

HS Sports Fan

Bad Move! This guys got it bad for St.Mary's. He swam out to the ship and hopped back aboard before it sinks.

From the Grave

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The Answer Person

Thanks goodness he isn't G-A-Y or he would have had the doorknob hit him where the sun don't shine. NO SOUP FOR YOU!

wallyworld16

Funny how things still haven't changed at that place and NEVER will.

Case in point..."a 'small group of generous benefactors' contributed funds to assist with Faber's return."

As long as you send money to the school, you get anything you want. Stay clueless SMCC!!!

From the Grave

Anything~like a free pass to heaven?

knowitall

So, pony up Wally. Are you ignorant of the fact that the school does not run primarily on tax dollars. Tuition and benefactors is how it is funded. Look in the mirror when you use the word "clueless". You will see who is clueless.

wallyworld16

Trust me, I know how that place runs: the families of anyone who donates a lot of money, get special treatment. PLAIN AND SIMPLE! On a side note, I assume you must have attended SMCC and likely had the same English teachers as Ctwhalers.

knowitall

Lol. If you only knew what I know. My English is actually very good. Do you have any specifics or are you just blabbering?

Wjones44

Sister Patricia was my English teacher.

wallyworld16

Your grammar and spelling wasn't "very good" when I typed the comment above, but I see it has been corrected. I apologize. As for me not knowing what you supposedly do, please share.

knowitall

Wally.... Thanks! Sometimes the word correct function gets ahead of me and I miss some words. I have gone back after proof reading and corrected spelling and grammar. Thanks for noticing.
As far as sharing, I would rather not since it is stuff I do not want to put in a public forum. I hope you can understand. If not, I am sorry but I just cannot expound.

wallyworld16

Thanks for your apology as well, and glad we've pretty much cleared the air. We're obviously on different sides of that place, and my (correct) opinion DEFINITELY will not change.

After reading your comment about (you) knowing things I don't, I thought it meant that you know who I am...which is fine. That would mean that you know I'm opinionated, USUALLY RIGHT, and (obviously) not afraid to speak my mind. If that's the case, I'm sure you know how to reach me. If it isn't, then I'm also sure we could have a civilized discussion about it.

knowitall

Wally....I don't know who you are. So, you are still incognito. :-), at least with me. I have only been posting for a few weeks and started out being civilized but got caught up quickly in the ruthlessness that sometimes is seen in blogging. I am trying to change my ways! Lol. I would much rather have civilized discussion, so that is where I plan on staying.
So, keep speaking your mind, and I will as well but in a less belligerent manner. As far as being usually right......I will pay closer attention! Lol

Ctwhalers

Wally I went to school there. Mr Faber is great guy. He has done so much for the school and sports. Yes I agree on teachers stuff but if the school redoes somthings they would be able to take care of the teachers.

wallyworld16

You have your opinion, and I have the RIGHT one. After reading your comment and seeing that you went to school there, I have to say that they could probably use some better English teachers.

knowitall

Have a good day everyone.

OSUAV8TER

Wally, what is your agenda against SMCC? I'm not sure where this is coming from. You portray yourself as a very hateful person.

wallyworld16

My agenda against that place means NOTHING...much like what your (and knowitall's) opinion means to me. The other TRUTH I know is that I must have hit a nerve, and that makes me EXTREMELY happy. After all, the truth is what often hurts the most!

knowitall

Actually Wally, you do not know me so you have no idea whether or not you hit a nerve. You really did not.

wallyworld16

My comment was directed at the aviator, but good to see you had to put your two cents in on that comment as well. Nerve pain?

observer

You guys are arguing over a school which, in 10 years, will have nothing in the hallways but the sound of crickets chirping. Even the poor people on the Titanic finally admitted the ship was going down.

wallyworld16

I hope you're right.

knowitall

Have a good day.

rippedhippy1

Based on the budgetary realities, it was determined that it was necessary to accelerate the planned transition and "eliminate the athletic director position". But then there is....He will serve alongside new hire Ryan Wikel as co-athletic director and will retire in 2015, after training Wikel as his successor. I thought that position was being eliminated?

sugar

You know what would also be Christian? For a few of you to NOT degrade and besmirch anyone who disagrees with you.
Some of you just cannot deal with others having opposing opinions. Not everyone has good feelings towards SMCCHS. And some for good reason.
I happen to believe we can change for the better.

knowitall

Is this the Sugar I have read in other posts? This Sugar is a much better one. What a metamorphosis!

sugar

An opinion that is disagreeable with yours is not demeaning anyone or anything. The truth about taxes, public sector unions, gov, and civil servants is not pretty, but in no way personal.

Big business owner

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wallyworld16

Well said BBO, well said!!!

Big business owner

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wallyworld16

Once again BBO, WELL SAID! The Register is (obviously) very selective in what it chooses to delete. Just look at the numerous personal attacks that have been made against me by two different people in this feed, yet they have not been removed. I'm a big boy and can take it, but much like SMCC, the Register is selective in who they discipline...regardless of the rules that should be enforced.

Jason Werling

wallyworld16- The comments that have been removed have been personal attacks/unverified information against Mr. Faber and could be considered defamatory to him. 

Any comments directed at wallyworld16 are directed at your username at sanduskyregister.com not the person behind the username (unless you have given your real name in past comments).

wallyworld16

Come on Jason, you guys have deleted personal attack comments made to usernames (probably) thousands of times in the past. How is someone insulting my IQ (just one example on this feed) any different? Much like SMCC, you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth with that reply.

Jason Werling

I can't speak (or type) to past moderating, only here. I'll take a look back at this feed.

knowitall

You are correct Wally. I have seen similar such comments in other posts and they were not eliminated. However, I do apologize for saying what I said.

Dcfred20036

After 31 years of service Mr. Faber deserved to retire on his own terms and with dignity. And now he will. My guess is that not only did the school and diocese get grief from the community, but in the context of of a pending age discrimination lawsuit - by another teacher- this certainly did not look good: I'm sure the school was advised to fix this immediately, pronto, rapido! I wish Mr. Faber a great coming school year.

Big business owner

Some watch dog reporting register! Remember your purpose, protect and inform the people...not those using the system and funds to protect themselves. Why don't you call him and ask him, listen to his response, or lack of one. Justice for Jake or anyone else?....right..only those who share your views and agenda...Denny has some answering to do... You've lost yet another paying member.

k9unit

What i find so interesting with this school is they were able to find funds for several positions created for certain parents, but needed donations from benefactors to secure an athletic director. An example: admissions coordinator was needed and funded but not an athletic director?

wallyworld16

BINGO!!!! The "name game" strikes again, and as always, at that place.

Holding Court

K9unit- find the link between the admissions coordinator and a certain school board member and then you have your answer. She is very social with the former board president and past board member. At one point, the admissions coordinator was an aid at the preschool.

k9unit

Holding court...i already know ;)

jgoad

the admissions coordinator position was not created for a parent. The position has been in place for at least 5-6 years. In addition, SMCC was late to the draw in creating the position, other Catholic schools have had one for much longer due to changing times - people no longer send their kids to Catholic school "just because." If they had an admissions coordinator/development department during the decline of the 90s they probably could have halted the decline or turned it around because the changing climate required the different approach. Since the creation of the position some time ago there have been 4 different coordinators, none of whom had $ or name (and exactly which names are the preferred names?(usually those who play ahead of your kid or are the target of your normally unjustified complaint of the moment (and most likely YOU have been one of the "names" to someone who didn't like you for some reason or another, but I digress))).

I think the Register misspoke when the said there were not funds for an athletic coordinator or that the position was being eliminated. There were not funds for Denny Faber and he, not the position, was being eliminated. In any case, the athletic director and admissions coordinator are two completely different cases and I don't believe admissions coordinator was mentioned in the article.

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Alissa Widman Neese

Jgoad, I don't believe I misspoke, because I quoted directly from a statement emailed to me this week from Emily Kasper. Obviously I didn't have enough space to publish all of her statements in their entirety without some paraphrasing, but the excerpt I quoted from her was verbatim.

Here are her responses to two of my questions, which include the quotes I used:

"In April, the board was notified of a meaningful budgetary shortfall for the 2014-2015 school year. This shortfall was unplanned, yet significant enough to require changes to the school budget. Upon review, it became clear that on a going forward basis the generous subsidy provided by the parishes to the school should be expected to decease over time. In contrast, the generous funding the school receives from the SCCS Education Foundation is expected to increase as the underlying endowment fund increases. However, the expected increase from the Foundation is not enough to offset the expected decrease from the parishes.  In consideration of these financial realities, it became necessary to take steps to ensure that the school could operate within its budgetary constraints now and into the future."

"The budget challenges presented in April impacted the earlier staffing plan for the Athletic Department. When Ryan Wikel was hired as the Assistant Principal, the plan was that Mr. Faber would remain on staff for a transitional period to allow for an orderly transfer of the Athletic Director responsibilities. Based on the budgetary realities, it was determined that it was necessary to accelerate the planned transition and eliminate the Athletic Director position. In May, Mr. Faber was informed of this decision by a representative from the parish and school board."

knowitall

Well said Mrs. Nesse. Thanks for your addressing the concerns brought up by the others. You do well at your job.

jgoad

Does anyone else believe they know of any positions "created for parents?" I'd love to help add a little more clarity to some of the muck being tossed around on here.

k9unit

Jgoad...enroll your children there and it will all become crystal clear what goes on. Obviously the admissions coordinator isnt helping much since enrollment continues to decline. I was only stating a fact. If enrollment has declined and funds are not there like they were, why not have another employee pick up the roll to save money.

jgoad

my children are enrolled there. I guess I am a little thick skinned and don't believe my children are superstars and should be number 1 because they are born. I don't point fingers and blame others bc my kids aren't the stars all the time.

You bring up a good misconceptions though, so thank you. Enrollment does not continue to decline. It has remained the same or gone up the past few years. That is a fact.

But, enrollment is the number 1 issue in a school that does not automatically receive students because of being a public institution. In that case, an admissions director would be of utmost importance. Needless to say, it is a necessary position. In a school that depends on admissions, the admissions director would be the last person to be cut. And admitting students and retaining them are 2 different things.

Finally, I apologize Alissa if that is the quote you were given. However, I would have to say that Emily Kasper misspoke. I don't believe any school is about to eliminate the Athletic Director position. I don't believe SMCC hired Ryan Wikel as Athletic Director with plans to eliminate the position. Again, I think it was in reference to Faber not the position.

jgoad

but again, someone please point out a position that was created for a parent. It doesn't happen.

k9unit

Really?!

knowitall

I agree with your comments jgoad. There have been no positions created for a specific parent. The admissions coordinator position has been there for a while as you seem to know. Anyone saying otherwise is just spouting "sour grapes" for some reason.
As far as I am concerned, if there is a position open and there are parents who support the school by sending their kids there, then they should have an opportunity to apply and even get the job if they are the best qualified.

k9unit

I dont expect my young kids to be superstars...just educate them and give me my $ worth. Did i say eliminate the position of "admissions director" or give the duty to an already existing employee/employees. Every thing ive read is declining enrollment. Isnt that where part of their financial problems stem from?!

k9unit

I never said they were eliminating the athletic director position. I tried to say they couldnt fund the position but found funds to keep an admissions director.

k9unit

Is there not an administrative assistant position held by a parent? My only point is; these positions remained despite financial hardships but the funding for mr. Faber wasnt there! Doesnt add up to me

jgoad

Yes really.

I think in the article it made it sound like they are eliminating the position. But in a choice between admissions director and athletic director, as I explained, the admissions director would be the one to keep.

You won't have athletics without admissions.

However, that is not the choice that had to be made. There is no connection between this article and the admissions director so it is a moot point.

thank you know it all, well explained and said. Sour grapes says it all.

jgoad

There are several administrative positions held by parents.

That is quite different than positions created for parents. None of the parents currently holding positions of any kind at the school are there because they had the post created for them to have a job. That is very different from what you are trying to say now. Yes, parents work there. Probably happens at at least one other school in the country. Maybe.

k9unit

Its people like you with your reasoning that have caused people to leave. Its very sad.

jgoad

Just as an aside, at one time Faber was a parent who held an administrative position.

What is your point again?

The whole parent thing is a straw man argument. Take away that component and look at what was going on. It was time for Faber to go, they hired somebody else. big deal.

knowitall

Hiring someone else does not make the transition complete. I would imagine the AD position, especially to a new hire, is a very overwhelming detailed job with all the scheduling, etc, that has to happen. So, it really is a big deal,especially when entering a new league. The board gave no thought to the transition, or did, but didn't care because they wanted Mr. Faber out so bad. I bet the new AD is relieved he now can be mentored during a transition period.

k9unit

.....again, these paid positions remained but Mr Faber was eliminated due to lack of funds. If the school was hurting that bad, maybe those paid positions could have been picked up by another employee/employees

knowitall

Not sure if your premise about being released due to no funds is correct. I think it was certain vendettas due to new league.

jgoad

K9 unit - Couldn't come up with an intelligent, semi-factual reply, so that's all you got?

Good one.

That was easy.

k9unit

Ha...on that note..good night.

jgoad

Faber the person was eliminated. There is an athletic director. There was never a point where the school had to choose between principal, athletic director, admissions person, lunch lady.

They still have all of the positions, its just that one of them wasn't manned by Faber. Your argument is off. They probably saved a few bucks by hiring Wikel instead of Faber but the choice to eliminate positions was never a factor.

wallyworld16

I know this is off the "Prince Denny" topic, but since the discussion has turned into one about finances and "created" positions for certain benefactors / parents, I thought I would add something.

The thing I find MOST AMUSING about St. Mary's is the fact that when the three grade schools still existed, SM people thought they were "king of the hill" and treated people from the other parishes as if they were second-class citizens. Then low and behold, Sts. Peter and Paul had more money in their endowment fund than SM, and the IDIOTS changed their tune and wanted to merge. Sadly, the other two parishes let it happen.

So that, my friends (osuav8ter), is one of the SEVERAL places where my bitterness lies regarding SMCC.

wallyworld16

And I can't wait to hear what the peanut gallery has to say about that TRUTHFUL comment.

knowitall

If the merger hadn't of happened there would not have been any schools. Catholic schools around the country have been merging for a long time. Public school systems have done their form of merger, closed neighborhood schools and consolidated into fewer buildings (Sandusky City schools). There have been others in the greater Cleveland areas too.
I hope you get over your bitterness. It only slowly eats away at your soul. If you could change your negativeness into positiveness, you would feel so much better.

wallyworld16

Good point, but I'm fairly positive SPPS would have survived just fine. Sadly, Holy Angels probably wouldn't have. The other place should have been burned to the ground decades ago, along with the die-hards (members of the Name Game Club) who have blindly supported it over the years and made so many ignorant decisions.

Thanks for your advice, but I'll continue to preach this point of view until the day I die...it's the right one!

God Of Thunder

25 years ago the graduating numbers were around 70-80...what is it today??? In the 30's and 40's??? So whoever said earlier that enrollment numbers weren't declining has their head in the sand.

The catholic faith is, and has always been two-faced. Turning heads away from criminal activities for one.

Before anyone says anything about me not knowing, I went thru 13 years of that brainwashing, and I finally snapped out of it after graduating.

wallyworld16

Excellent points G.O.T.! Especially the ones about the two-faced faith, turning heads away from (and encouraging) CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, and brainwashing. Similar to you, I eventually saw the light...and it isn't a pretty one.

knowitall

Actually the numbers in the school will be up this year from last. Enrollment is a volatile number. Yes, most if not all the numbers in the past decade from local school systems have lessened. That is unless you are in Perkins and stealing from other districts.
I am sorry you folks have had a bad experience. The church and faith are two different things. If you get to that point, it makes it easier to acknowledge the human fallibility of the church....at least for me.
The school is still a good educational experience. Lots of scholarships and great college planniing.

Common Sense

"That is unless you are in Perkins and stealing from other districts."
This is such a comical statement. Before Perkins Schools opened their enrollment, many local schools had already adopted the open enrollment option. The other schools were not accused of "stealing". The only reason that Perkins is being accused of stealing by someone like you is that Mr. Gunner was honest from the beginning.
Please, quit blaming your troubles on others.

Dcfred20036

Can St. Mary be saved? Below, you will find a timely article by Educationnext on the decline of Catholic schools across America. Many of the points the article makes seem to apply to SM, including lack of nuns (free labor), failure to adapt to changing times and the priestly sex abuse scandal, which we all know hit the Diocese of Toledo really hard and soured many Catholics: all contributing to the death spiral of rising costs. Enclosed, is the link:

http://educationnext.org/can-cat...

wallyworld16

SMCC thanks you for continuing to drink their Kool-Aid. Also, what kind of "man" returns to a place where he isn't / wasn't wanted? Obviously, it's one without a spine or scrotum!

Dcfred20036

Wally my guess is that Mr. Fabor loves the institution, even when the love has been unrequited. So, he is willing to put the best interests of the school over any hurt feelings. The school has been lucky to have teachers who love it even when they are mistreated....there is a teachable moment here for everyone!

knowitall

Good comment Fred. Yes, the teachers there are great people and excellent at their profession.

wallyworld16

You consider it teachable, I consider it LAUGHABLE. Best interest of the school? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I think that decision was made back in May.

knowitall

I am sorry you did not feel wanted. What was it that happened that has you feeling this way? You do seem pretty bitter.

wallyworld16

Not wanted? REALLY? Good one. To answer your question: PLENTY, and NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

knowitall

Ok. That is fair. Good luck on dealing with your anger.

knowitall

Welcome back Mr. Faber!

I

I was thrilled when they consolidated the 3 parish schools into 1. I was able to see first hand the hypocrisy that is SMCC and I got my children out of that environment. Best thing I ever did!

wallyworld16

DING, DING, DING. We have another winner!!! Your prize...sanity, intelligence, and removal of those rose-colored glasses worn by the CLUELESS supporters.

God Of Thunder

I am in the same boat with you I.. When i pulled my daughter out of there and put her in public schools, it was the best thing ever. it resulted in her making SOOOOO many more friends and not being stuck in little 'clicks' and she ended up graduating 2nd in her class of more than 5 times the kids that SMCC has so all of you naysayers of public schools, eat crow and stew on that... Any counteractive response from that will yield a "YAWN' from me.. Just goes to show how the brainwashing of the whole system still has it's hold on Faber..

knowitall

Well God bless ya!

wallyworld16

Alissa, I doubt they'll give you the information, but it would be interesting to know if you could find out what Prince Denny's salary (excuse me...DONATION) is for the upcoming school year, and then compare it to the amount of pay cuts the teachers received. I'm sure several people, ESPECIALLY THE TEACHERS, would appreciate that response.

Instead of giving that "donated" money to someone who DID NOT have their contract renewed, it would have probably been a more intelligent decision to give it to the employees who actually do their job properly. You know, those teachers who have been there for several years, do their job well, HAD THEIR CONTRACTS RENEWED, and were rewarded for their service by receiving a HUGE pay cut.

But intelligent decisions are obviously few and far between at that place. STAY CLUELESS SMCC!!!!!

The new SMCC motto should be: "ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL."

knowitall

I know the salary but am not going to tell you. Lol

God Of Thunder

the Register needs 'like' buttons here...

knowitall

Well, let's improvise. Here is an "unlike" to your comments.

wallyworld16

First of all, don't you mean dislike? Anyway...what exactly do you "unlike" about it?

Is it because it's the truth and your rose-colored glasses are now becoming a little foggy? Or is it because you can't accept the truth? Or is it because you don't want to admit that I'm right?

Finally, if you are friends with Prince Denny, please pass along my comments. He deserves to read them.

knowitall

Ya Wally. I meant dislike. Lol. You say you are always right and I believe you. Pardon my questioning anything you might say.

wallyworld16

You're NOT excused.

knowitall

I dislike or unlike that statement. Lol.

wallyworld16

I enjoy your sarcasm and I find it amusing that you ALWAYS have to have the last word. So make your reply and have a nice day.

knowitall

Sorry I am late with the last word. Last word!

swimfan

Just read this and believe that this is very appropriate with this post "I am the greatest fan of positive behavior and kindness to all people. But the reality is...mean people get away with bad behavior and we foolishly think our kindness will change their behavior. I now walk away from rude or unkind people...they are not my monkeys...not my circus and they are the only ones who have the power to change their bad behavior."

God Of Thunder

Ummmm...OK....Bye then..

wallyworld16

G.O.T. it's just another "holier than thou" person (and likely SMCC supporter) who is wearing the rose-colored glasses, trying to preach to us, and act as if they're better than we are.

I'm sure you're well aware, but it's a familiar refrain from that place. Since you went to a catholic school for 13 years, I'm also sure you came across several people like that during your time there. I refer to them as the "children of the corn."

God Of Thunder

Totally agree Wally. I've used that reference myself...That's funny. When a higher priest interprets the pope's ruling on divorced catholics and groups them in the same category as a member of the mafia or a notorious criminal, I take serious offense to that..

knowitall

It is the human condition. Don't place the priests on that pedestal and you won't be as disappointed. Some of the comments from the clergy are contrary to Christian teachings, in my opinion. Pope Francis has his hands full. I hope he lives a long life and can show the Curia a better way.

wallyworld16

And well you should, G.O.T. Regarding divorced catholics...

Do you also find it amusing that it's wrong to be divorced in the catholic church, but it's OK to have an annulment (because you have to PAY the church for it)? That, my friend, is another example of the hypocrisy of catholicism.

ROB PETER (divorcees wanting an annulment) TO PAY PAUL (defense attorneys for pedophile priests).

knowitall

Wally....don't you think it is that way in society? And the Catholic Church is just a microcosm of society? I do. It has taken me some time to be myself and not what the church says I should be. I feel better about my relationship with the Divine Presence in the universe. Still struggling with it, but better. This is not preaching, just a little bit about how I deal with the inconsistencies.

wallyworld16

I believe that some people in society think they are better than others, and sadly, I have to admit that I am in that group. I blame my catholic upbringing, NOT MY PARENTS (they taught me better), for that.

The people who I think I'm better than are pedophile priests, the people who covered up those crimes, and other convicted felons.

But aren't I, in reality, a better person than them because I haven't (nor would I even think about it) committed those heinous crimes or wrong doings?

Finally, I don't believe the catholic church is a microcosm of society...because, in relation to the rest of society, I believe a higher percentage of catholics (I have witnessed) act that way.

knowitall

By "better than" I mean snooty. I grew up as a Protestant and was told by Catholics that I would have a harder time getting to heaven. I was also told by some Protestants that Catholics were terrible. Now, neither is correct in my opinion.
Are you, and I also, better than pedophles.......hell yes on one level. Better than heinous criminals.....hell yes on one level. People can change over their life. I have for the better. Where there is life, there is hope! Pedophles, like some priests, Jerry Sandusky, and the list can go on have done depraved things to vulnerable children. They should burn in hell, wherever that is, for their deeds. I only hope they can truly change and those they abused can truly find peace some day.
Please say the last word so I don't! :-)