Perkins fourth levy attempt fails

“People are fed up with Perkins Schools. There’s no trust in the board, or anything about the district. It’s all gone”
Alissa Widman Neese
May 7, 2014

 

A resounding “no” from Perkins Schools voters has denied the district new funds yet again. For the fourth straight time in a year, voters rejected a tax levy proposal Tuesday, with 58 percent voting against the measure, according to unofficial election results.
 

The 3.95-mill, 10-year levy would have generated $1.68 million a year for the district.    It would have cost the owner of a $100,000 home about $138 in additional taxes a year. Perkins Township resident Mary Bakewell, a vocal opponent of Perkins Schools levies throughout the past year, said the repeated failures boil down to two key issues — a lack of expendable income among elderly voters, and a general distrust of the district.

“People are fed up with Perkins Schools,” Bakewell said. “There’s no trust in the board, or anything about the district. It’s all gone”

Perkins Schools officials retooled their approach this levy campaign, touting a lofty goal of restoring $1 million in district programming if voters approved the levy.

After hosting a series of community meetings, school board members focused on meeting attendees’ key concerns in their restoration proposal.

Despite the effort, the district still couldn’t sway a majority of voter support.

With the levy’s failure, Perkins Schools is now projecting its operating funds will be completely depleted by 2017.

Its annual operating budget is about $21 million.

Voters haven’t approved a new operating levy for Perkins Schools since 2000.

Costly budget cuts are likely looming, with updates possible at the next Perkins school board meeting May 14.

Perkins Schools superintendent Jim Gunner did not return a phone message Tuesday night seeking comment.

Comments

themomx6

“People are fed up with Perkins Schools. There’s no trust in the board, or anything about the district. It’s all gone”

^^^^ That about covers it.

Hawkeye

Maybe the board needs to listen? Are you hearing what the no vote is trying to tell you? I am poor, I cannot afford anymore. I don't live extravagantly. I live within my family's means. Maybe Starbucks is a treat, but a tax is mandatory and we cannot afford to pay it right now. We can opt out of Starbucks if it is not in our budget, we cannot opt out of taxes. The economy is rough right now and I am fearful of what the future holds. Maybe the board needs to see how the other side of Perkins lives.

pptrsha

I agree with you 100%! my husband and I are on a fixed income. we qualified for the homestead exemption in 2012 and since then our taxes have raised over $400.00 this year. we have lived in our house for 15 years. no house on our street ever sold for more than 80,000 and now the tax department says that our house values have risen to a higher bracket!!! my neighbors tax almost doubled. we don't have sidewalks, gutters, or curbs. the newest house on our street was built in 1955. it looks like perkins cant get a levy passed so they are going to raise the value of our property .

Licorice Schtick

If you are certian your house is overvalued, visit the County Treasurer's office.

lifetimeresident

Quit mowing the lawn and put a couch in the front yard staked on pallets. And buy a couple chickens to let run around. Then they'll lower yours and your nieghbors taxes back down and stop messing with you.

pptrsha

LOVE IT!

Erie Countian

I reluctantly voted yes. But, I said it in a previous article's comment section, and I'll say it again here: Until Gunner is gone, I don't believe a levy will pass. He has absolutely no trust or credibility with the majority of the community and neither do the BOE members who back him. It's time to clean house.

gene44870

I dont think it just the mistrust of the super as much as the residents maybe tired of paying high taxes as well one might say that these kinds of taxes are unfair taxes because everyone has to pay them regardless if they have chilren in the school system or not.

coasterfan

Gene, the reason we all pay taxes to support schools is because we Americans decided a long time ago that educating our youth is something we need to do. Since schools are a non-profit, we all help fund their existence. Just as we all pay taxes to fund maintenance of all roads and bridges (not just the ones we use), it's something that we do, assuming that we want to still consider ourselves a civilized society.

Furthermore, assuming you had kids, many other local residents paid taxes to put YOUR kids through school. So now, it's your turn. To repay you, we Americans agree to pay taxes to help keep Medicare and Social Security solvent, so that you can receive those benefits. Sound like a fair deal?

Licorice Schtick

Nothing builds economies like an able, educated workforce, and nothing did more to build the United States into the economic force that it is than free public education. Everyone benefits.

But today's high school diploma is based upon an obsolete model and no longer adequate. Most students are wasting much of their time, working way below their abilities, and graduting with a nearly useless degrees. We need better public education, not less of it.

looking around

I think when one reaches a certain age and has paid the taxes that has educated 2 or 3 generations it is time to be exempted from school tax. Your lucky enough to be still in your own home and not in a senior center, your time has come. Someone else can get the next 3 generations.

P.S. I've had no children and have and still pay school taxes in two different states that I own property in. Enough is enough!

sugar

No not a fair deal. Maybe Gene sent his kids to a Catholic school, maybe Gene never wanted SS and Medicare, maybe Gene is broke. I would prefer to have all the money I paid to SS and Medicare back in my pocket and I'll take care of myself. Gov is not good stewards of our money. You coaster ate just concerned with your pension. Pfffttt

elogan7202

This "oh I'm a poor voter I can't afford anymore taxes is BS" why recently has the fire,police,serving our seniors and lastly just this election metro parks passed then?

Hawkeye

BTW I would rather have a policeman arrest the man who stole my signs, The fireman put out my house fire that got started because I had a point of view and I will be a senior someday and so will you, sonny, so pray to GOD that it isn't someone like Chapman who doesn't give a crap about your sign, Gunner who lets your house burn because there is building opportunity there and BOE put you in a rest home and desert you because that seemed like the best option. And can I say that I did not vote for Metro parks, but I would much rather see green space than the monstrosity they wanted to build.

Erie Countian

I agree, elogan! It's funny how senior services levies, Metroparks levies, mental health levies, etc. always seem to pass, but not a school levy!People always seem to be able to afford what benefits THEM. I believe in supporting our students, so I held my nose and voted yes, even though I don't trust Gunner in the least. But Perkins is long overdue to pass a levy and I had hoped that if this one passed the board would stop the insanity, return to basics and be much better custodians of our tax dollars. Things have gotten completely out of control under Gunner and this Board. They have played fast and loose with our monies. They were not honest or trustworthy. They will never regain the respect or trust of the community. It is an embarrassment to drive by our aged high school and see that multi-million dollar showplace of a stadium next to it! The stadium would have been a nice,completely adequate and modern facility if we had only used the private funds raised, but Gunner and the BOE decided to throw millions of dollars of our much needed funds to make it a Taj Mahal instead. Then they cry because they need more money for basic upkeep of our buildings that are supposedly unsafe!? I believe we should vent our frustrations by voting the current board out when the time comes. (And I also hope the BOE will finally listen to the overwhelming negative sentiment and get rid of this superintendent before trying another levy vote.) Taxpayers paid for the "no" voters' public school educations and that of their children and grandchildren.They paid for my own and my childrens' public education, too. I feel it is a civic duty to support our public schools as generations have done before. It is hard to do so right now, but I cannot in good conscience vote no. Ultimately, it's about time the state lawmakers in Columbus do what they were ordered to have done years ago and straighten out the school funding mess in Ohio!

Maboom2Paul

Passed because all of Erie County voted on those, not just Perkins or Sandusky.

lot2learn

gene44870...Do you think for a minute the K-12 education you and I received could have been (or WAS) funded by just the parents of our generation of students? No it had to be (and WAS) funded by ALL of the taxpayers of the community we lived in. People can have whatever reason they want to vote no, but this is the one issue that really doesn't sit well with me. People who didn't have children in school at the time helped fund YOUR education. It's the responsibility of EVERYONE to prepare the youth for the future. It's called giving back. It's called paying your civic rent.

This, of course is just my opinion, and meant to comment only on your point and not any other issue voters might have.

coasterfan

I agree lot2learn. Unfortunately, there will always be people who are only in it for themselves. They want government/public services, but don't want to pay for them, and certainly do not want to pay for someone else - even if others have subsizided their own usage in the past.

It's interesting that these types are hyper-alert when they perceive someone else to be "living off the system", but are blissfully unaware of when they do that very same thing themselves. Often the ones who complain the most are "takers" themselves...

bjm

Well said, Lot2learn! It is our civic responsibility to support the education of the next generation.

looking around

What if Gene went to a private school? Lot's of us did. Many people for one reason or another make a choice not to send their children to public school be it a religious matter or concern for the type of education that they will receive. Don't be so quick to put everyone in the same barrel.

Maybe you would like to see records kept to show what each of us owes for your "civic rent"

wally44824

Perkins has the most over-paid staff in the area, students AREN'T suffering despite the comments made by the "YES" voters, and you have a Super that isn't trusted.

Put all those factors together, as well as several others (including a poor economy), and ANOTHER failed levy in Perkins should have happened.

coasterfan

Uh, Wally. The economy is poor? Inflation is low, hiring is up, unemployment is down, discretionary spending is way up, the Dow Jones is at a record high, the deficit has been cut in half over the past couple of years, the Feds ended the bailout because it was no longer needed, home values are up, new home construction is up, the list goes on.

Are you reading 6-year-old newspapers, or getting your news from Fox, perhaps?

sugar

So what great jobs do we have here? Where can you work in Sandusky or Perkins to earn enough to support a family? The Mall? Kalahari? Yore an idiot.

wally44824

Thank you sugar for writing out a much nicer reply than I would have. Great job.

richrs

So you have kindergarten teachers making $70,000 a year and that's not overpaid?

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The Hero Zone

Golden days are here again!

Labor Force Participation Rate for 25-29 Year Olds Hits Record Low
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/...

In addition to this gem I do believe that we have the same number of people working today as we did in 2007. Less unemployment is good, right? Yes, except we have about 17,000,000 more Americans than we did then.

elogan7202

And don't get me wrong glad those passed as well. I also voted for them!

elogan7202

Gene high taxes we already pay??? We're already one of the lowest in area!

44870 South

I live in a modest home in Perkins....my taxes are higher than my in-laws who have a very nice home in a nice area of Sandusky...so what are you talking about??

elogan7202

Lot2learn. Very nicely said. Thank you!

coasterfan

Yeah, the whole issue of taxes is interesting. The Tea Party seems entirely unaware that tax rates in America are at an historic low, and that they rank below most other industrialized countries. Of course, being "unaware" is kind of their mantra, I think...

elogan7202

Hawkeye LIKE I said I voted for ALL those levies. Also had signs for all but one in my yard and that's just because metro parks didn't ask or I would of. With my taxes being as low as they're compared to surrounding areas I have no problem voting in levies that will help the area and improve our property value. You stated you had NO more money for new taxes then stated how you voted for 3 out of the 4 increases. Its this argument that I guess confuses me. Trust me I understand it's a hard economy out there. If a Perkins resident honestly couldn't afford a cent more then I would completely understand, but I would think if you didn't have anymore you could afford for the school levy then you couldn't afford it else where.

themomx6

How much could that wasted $3 MILLION dollar architect loan have benefited the schools? I won't vote "yes" to reward incompetence. Why in heaven's name should ANYONE trust this idiotic, dishonest, incompetent BOE with MORE $$$$?

coasterfan

And....how could anyone punish the kids, simply because you have an axe to grind with the BOE? YOU elected them, and they hire the superintendent. If you don't like them, vote someone else in, or better yet, put your money where your mouth is, and run for the BOE yourself.

Resident51

I agree with Mom. Why would we continue to throw more of our hard-earned money at a school when our tax dollars are being mismanaged? Clearly 60% of the voters agree, too. Maybe they should have used PI funds to maintain their buildings, and kept operating money to operate. Maybe they should have listened to the voters who rejected the idea of a new building before moving inside millage and spending $3.5 million on an architect. Maybe they should have considered their financial forecast before paying for half of the new stadium.

A lesson to learn to those wanting this levy to pass...lashing out and criticizing "no" voters on the blogs won't help your cause. I've even seen numerous parents and employees of Perkins School verbally attacking the no voters on social media. Calling us idiots is not helping. Just sayin.

Where were all the vote "yes" signs? Trying to slide this one past us during a special election? Just makes me not trust the school even more.

I'm simply tired of the "it's for the kids" campaign....especially when 80% of the budget goes towards salaries and benefits. Did you think "it's for the kids" when you went on strike? Trust me, kids will be fine and will continue to receive a quality education. They are not entitled to frills at my expense, and they too could learn a valuable lesson here. I'm tired of us being told to elect in a new board, too. Look at and listen to the public perception out there - it's not pretty, and they are your voters. You have a lot of no votes to overcome.

sugar

I say we help the kids out, cut the pay for teachers by 10% and cut pensions of retired teachers by half, then up their property taxes.

elogan7202

The mom I agree this Board has made too many missteps to count. Vote them out. Don't make the children pay. I've said it millions of times. If Gunner really wanted to help the school as much as he says he does. He should step down. Then let's work on repairing the bridges.

8ballinthesidepocket

I'll just add one comment from my working career long since over. When companies look to relocate into an area one of the first things they look at is the quality of the schools and the local support for that school system. Why? For one thing, if they have to relocate people into an area, they reject those that have battling school systems or systems that do not have a good graduation and testing record.
We sorely need more industry in this area and if we want decent paying jobs, we want to be able to attract tech companies as well as hammer and tong industries. So keep cutting off your nose despite your face and rejecting these levies because "you don't like" the board. In the long run, we will all be losers because of this. Hat's off to Sandusky, they seem to be making some progress.

elogan7202

My guess is you have no kids in Perkins or possibly have grandchildren or relatives and believe it isn't your civic duty to support the school like our grandparents once did when you could vote on things that will impact you now or in future. To me that's insensitive to the parents still trying to make sure the school stay at the quality level it's currently at and for the future. I will continue to pay my civic rent as long as I can finically afford it.

coasterfan

Conservatives don't believe in civic duty. They believe in taking care of themselves and their wallet.

richrs

Nothing wrong with putting yourself first.

looking around

Coaster as you have probably figured out Im far from a right wing conservative. I'm registered and vote democrat. I've paid tax on every dollar I've ever made or spent. Thanks to a good union I made a decent living and have received good benefits that would not have been possible working for an employer without a union. I own property and continue to pay taxes to support the community at large, however I think I have paid my share of "civic rent" in full after sending other peoples kids to school all my life and having none myself I'm not feeling the generosity to pay $138 per hundred thousand of property value to send your kids to school. I don't drink starbucks, but sure would like to take a cruise.

Nemesis

"Conservatives don't believe in civic duty. They believe in taking care of themselves"

Charitable giving statistics indicate otherwise. Conservatives simply don't believe in using government to FORCE anyone to contribute to helping others.

What you and your ilk fail to grasp is that just because something is a good thing to do doesn't mean it's a good thing for the government to do.

8ballinthesidepocket

What an idiotic comment. Just another libtard falsehood that doesn't have a basis of fact.

sandtownbucks

As I went around the area seeing the vote no signs I noticed a lot of people that live in those houses are seniors. Talked with some of them and what surprised me with some was they were voting no and they had grandchildren open enrolled at Perkins

Fordman

There are other ways to get money. Try charging to bus the students from Sandusky and charge for open enrollment. Rediculous to expect us to pay for the cities and surrounding students to come to school here.

elogan7202

For every open enrollment student they do get paid from grants from the government. Do I agree with open enrollment no. I believe you should live in the area where your kids go to school. Do you also really believe charging for bussing is going to raise the 1.8 million a year? How much are you planning on charging for those 50 or so kids that are open enrolled?

sugar

What a joke you are, it's for the kids? LMAO!just not "those" kids. F'en hypocrite. You will never see a levy pass. Welcome to Sandusky Central High School , encompassing all children.

Bherrle

Fordman,

Open enrolled students have to provide their own transportation. Perkins spends nothing to get them to the schools.

It is against the law to "charge" open enrolled students more. The state funnels the tax money based on open enrollment.

local man

Instead of slinging stones back and forth its time to come up with a solution to the problem. Instead of wiping out teacher positions, its time to address administration costs - I never understood why all of the principals that left their positions transitioned over to administration. 80% costs were bantered around years ago when Perkins was at 84%, where are we now. Stop using the 100K cost scenario when most homes are above that number, what would the average homeowner pay?

elogan7202

We would have to pay around 500 or so a year and I'm okay with that. If Perkins school fall apart my home value with continue to fall!

Resident51

Be real. Perkins School is not going anywhere. Stop drinking the Gunner Kool-Aid.

Perkins Resident

Since I don't plan on selling or moving any time soon, I'm all for my property value going down. I wish it was valued at $0.00.

Kramer

@Coaster- if the liberal tripe you constantly spout is a result of your public education then I vote we close ALL the public schools.

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thinkagain

+1

Licorice Schtick

Wingnut wants to close all public schools and if you disagree, you're liberal tripe. Yeah. That's reasonable.

sugar

+2

elogan7202

Local man said it best bickering back and forth isn't working. Do we have the best superintendent of schools, oh heck no. Do we have some of the best teachers, yes. Are these teachers going to look for more secure jobs if this continues, of course. It's time to support the children. If you are older and are just voting no due to fact you have no kids in school please remember someone once voted yes for you. Let's repair the bridges and at a least agree we need to do what's best for these kids.

Resident51

I **DO** support the children and the school. Want me to send you a copy of my tax bill? Please stop saying otherwise just because voters don't support a new levy.

elogan7202

Resident sure send it. Bet mine is still more. And I'm a yes voter. What does your tax bill have to do with this issue of no votes? Compares yours to surrounding areas. Perkins is lowest. That's just facts

Wald

Perkins has the "best teachers" based on what? Perkins was the only area school to receive multiple F's on the latest state report card. You take teachers from any surrounding district and put them in classrooms with Perkins kids and you really think you'll see a drop in performance?

JJr12

It really doesn't matter at this point. The NO voters will continue to blame the BOE even though they have their own guy on the board recommending they approve the Levy. Oh then they will continue to vote NO because Gunner is still there. First I read they would vote no until they move the funds for the inside millage back. Well that was done, and then the condition changed again. Now it is a NO vote till Gunner is gone.

The bottom line is the NO votes really don't give a damn about the school system. When your biggest reason for voting NO is out of spite for a board member then who are you really hurting?

elogan7202

Don't forget now there has been 9 board members voted in by you the voter. All agree we need a new levy!

Ralph J.

SCHOOL FUNDING COMPLETE RESOURCE

http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/schoo...

OH-IO

I'm not biased one way or another between Perkins and Sandusky High Schools but for the sake of my child's future; I'd at least investigate SHS.

Nemesis

Not a good move. The culture at home, and the culture in one's classmates' homes is FAR more influential in determining a student's achievement than school spending. Before you make a decision, ask yourself how many of your kid's classmates in Perkins have educated parents, books in the home, etc. and compare that to Sandusky schools. Then take a look at how many Sandusky students are third generation of babies having babies, and ask yourself if any amount of school spending is worth immersing your kid in that cultural context.

elogan7202

Utter nonsense talking about you already support the schools. So does every Perkins property owner. We just are not supporting them at a level that keeps our are already high standards.

Nemesis

Correction: not supporting them at the level that the administration would like.

The standards are set one student at a time, in the home.

Good 2 B Me

Gunner MUST GO! That is the message being sent. The BOE must find a way and then replace him properly or the will NEVER pass a levy.

goodtime1212

I read alot of others saying its our civic responsibility to support future generations. It is my only reasonability to take care of MY family First, parents raise children not the school system, its our job to teach right from wrong, to teach respect, to guide in the right direction, to be there when they need us, to punish when necessary and to give support, that's called parenting. I hear others say "ITS FOR THE CHILDREAN". Times are tough, we have to be choosey ware the money go's, I will not give money to someone who has proven they don't care what the people think. ( voting NO for a new school then the go and create this mess anyways }

SanduskyGuardian

So can anyone guess when they will make us vote "No" again? Even if I am still renting then, I will still be queer (So I am not into paying to entertain all the breeders' brats), so I plan to vote "No" no matter what. Remember the last time we voted it down and the next day they filed papers to put another levy on the next ballot? I wonder if they did that again today.

Perkins Resident

I love it when coasterfan gets on her rants about no voters and republicans. She brings out more and more no voters with every word she writes.

SanduskyGuardian

Watch and see, those buttholes will get a levy on the next ballot, anyone want to bet? I voted for that Ahner and he turned out to be a spineless follower of Chapman.

Manowar

If I worked for Perkins Schools, I'd quit. If I lived in Perkins, I'd move! You no voters are like the all mighty Union's, won't quit till you get your way and would rather the place went out of business and everyone was out of a job then to make any type of compromise. Foolish!

fredinperkins

It is certainly a free country. One can choose to work and live anywhere in this great nation. However, blaming the "no" voters is not a solution to the failure of the levy. Where was the "compromise" or debate at the beginning. It is only my opinion but the mindset from the beginning seems to have been "better to ask for forgiveness than permission".

elogan7202

Renters voting no. Sad. How can a renter even vote on a property tax issue.

Perkins Resident

Read the previous comments. Because the landlord will raise their rent to cover the tax increase. Personally, I don't think non property owners should be allowed to vote on property based tax issues.

elogan7202

We do have rentals. Have never raised rent based off any property tax. And one is in Perkins. Should I up mine based off the levies that have passed. If landlords do that then they're crappy. Move!!

pptrsha

I OWN RENTALS TOO and I cant raise rents because taxes keep going up

richrs

+1

Nemesis

"Personally, I don't think non property owners should be allowed to vote on property based tax issues."

That's a bad road to start travelling.
Should non-drinkers be allowed to vote on a liquor tax?
Should non-drivers be allowed to vote on a gas tax?

As a homeowner, you DO realize that every renter who pays income tax subsidizes you, right? You wouldn't want to lose that mortgage interest deduction, would you?

The solution is to educate renters on the impact the tax will have on them.

YoMamma

Its my understanding that Perkins schools are having a hard time making payroll. They may have already approached the county for an advance to keep a float. Maybe its time to talk about a merger???

oldpirate

Here we go. I told you it was coming. The next lowest mill. is at least an increase of 9 mills. You say you can't afford more. If you merge you will pay more. Is this comment a plant by the Register to push this discussion?
You nay sayers are playing right into their hands.

sugar

Keep posting slogan and coaster , you will get no for the next 10 yrs.

elogan7202

Sugar. Classily. How about adding something to the discussion instead of saying I'm a no voter just because. Why are you voting no. Let me guess because of the inside mileage. No wait Gunner. No wait you can't afford any new tax. The school board sucks. So what is it? No voters always have same excuses and add absolutely nothing to the solving of the issues. It's easier to complain to actually do something about it!

sugar

No is no, I don't need to justify my vote.

Nemesis

You do if you want anyone to care what you have to say.

Subtle

It's a shame you don't have to take a test to be able to vote. The community at large has proved they do not have the aptitude to decide anything so let me sum all the arguments up in real simple terms:

Ignorant Argument 1) It's too expensive.

Truth) We pay a fraction of what every other school in northern Ohio pays in taxes. If a new levy doesn't pass soon they will merge us with Sandusky (I estimate within 2 years) and we will pay their tax rate an increase of 16.83 mil. We'll get the added benefit of knowing our children will be attending a school that allows anyone on the campus and have to worry that our kids will be assaulted by some disgruntled parent while sitting in class.

Ignorant Argument 2) Gunner Sucks.

Truth) Gunner could burn the school down and not do as much damage to the Perkins school district as Ralph and his cronies have done. Gunner is an administrative figurehead that does not set or control what policies are in place or what money is allocated, he simply enforces the board's decisions. He inherited a school that was in need of 35 MILLION worth of repairs because it was inconvenient for previous administrators to 'waste' money on such inconsequential things as upkeep. Whether you like his vision for the school or not at least he isn't corrupt giving narcoleptic friends jobs, choosing to fill positions based off last names instead of qualifications, or lining the pockets of his friends' companies who aren't qualified to do the work they were given a lucrative contract to do.

Ignorant Argument 3) They haven't made any repairs using the money they already have.

Truth) Perkins can make small repairs (such as replacing busted cast iron sewer pipes with inexpensive PVC patches) however, the moment one of those repairs surpasses a certain threshold in cost (some say $2500, some say $5000, I do not know the exact number)it becomes a renovation, and AS SOON AS A SINGLE RENOVATION IS INITIATED THE ENTIRE BUILDING MUST BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE COSTING MILLIONS...MILLIONS. So yeah, it would be nice to replace the sewage system with cast iron piping, and they probably have the money to do that; however, if they did EVERYTHING would have to be brought up to code.

Ignorant Argument 4) I don't like open enrollment.

Truth) Open enrollment has kept the Perkins district afloat since the government started reallocating our funding to 'less fortunate districts (because in the state's eyes we ARE a wealthy community, and certainly by anyone's admission have an average household income far greater than either Sandusky or Norwalk). Quite frankly, you lost your right to even comment on what they do to earn money by not passing a levy in a decade and a half. If Perkins had been properly funded, they wouldn't have HAD to opt into open enrollment and quite frankly, probably wouldn't have. The irony here is you don't like the Sandusky students going to Perkins; yet they are ALL going to be Sandusky students if we don't pass a levy soon.

Whatever your view is, just know this...you can't GIVE AWAY a palace north of Perkins Avenue... no one wants to live in the district prone to loud outbursts and a hostile learning environment... what do you think is going to happen to our property values when our children are incorporated into a system not conducive to embedding success into futures. Huron and Edison will love it though because their property values will go through the roof!

Perkins Resident

Please keep posting your comments. You are solidifying the no vote on the next ballot.

goodtime1212

Truth, there are no estimates for any renovations. We keep hearing it will coast millions but how do they know this? As far as the tax payers know, there have been No estimate's for renovating. The smart thing would have been to come to the public with both options and asked what we would like. Not take a 3 million dollar loan out after tax payers told you NO for a new school. NO TRUST.

elogan7202

+1.

elogan7202

Exactly!!

underthebridge

How do you know that the tax rate will reflect Sandusky City Schools tax rate? Please show me the part of the Ohio Administrative Code that indicates that. PS - With open enrollment, Perkins and Sandusky have already merged.

sugar

Well it sure ain't the Hamptons south of Perkins Ave. we have the right to vote no on any new tax whether you like it or not. NO find another way or move your kid to another district.

Nemesis

Hey subtle, that's a fun game - can anyone play?

Ignorant Argument 1) If a new levy doesn't pass soon they will merge us with Sandusky

Truth) Perkins per pupil spending currently ranks 228th out of 612 Ohio school districts, which is 63rd percentile in a population that includes outrageously spending districts like Put In Bay. There are 384 districts in the state that can't spend as much per pupil as Perkins, so, you're merger scare tactics will be meaningful after the 350th merger or so. Perkins' per pupil spending is within a few dollars of the US national average, which is already higher than that of most other industrialized nations, whose students consistently outperform those in the US.
Interestingly, 120 Ohio districts devote a higher percentage of their spending to instruction than does Perkins. Until Perkins is in the top ten on that statistic, there's fat to be cut.

Ignorant Argument 2) Gunner is an administrative figurehead that does not set or control what policies are in place or what money is allocated, he simply enforces the board's decisions.

Truth) School boards across the state are typically in rapt thrall to their superintendents. They have to be in order to maintain face, because they typically pay consulting firms thousands of dollars to find and recruit, and about whom they wax positively messianic upon hiring. They see Gunner as their "expert" and seldom second guess his recommendations, which is what got them into this mess in the first place.
Ignorant Argument 3) Open enrollment has kept the Perkins district afloat
Truth) STATE funds follow open enrollment students, but state funds are only PART of the money spent on that student. No local funding follows the student. So, if a district spends $10K per pupil, of which $5K is from the state, an open enrollment student adds twice as much to the cost side as he brings to the revenue side. Alternatively, since school districts are required by law to balance their budgets, he reduces per pupil spending. In fact, we can derive a formula for how much.

A = total district spending
B = total enrollment
C = A/B per pupil spending
D = state funding per pupil
C100, which is per pupil spending after adding 100 open enrollment students = (A+100D)/(B+100)
if D < C then C100 < C

elogan7202

They merge with Sandusky one day. The next day I'll be A Huron resident. Don't care if I take a hundred thousand dollar loss on my home. We'll be gone!!

Perkins Resident

They'll never merge.

sugar

Oh look a liberal tax and spend BIGOT. Look what happened to Sterling, be careful.

Nemesis

assertion without basis

sugar

That's you're opinion Nemisis, I see it differently.

Nemesis

And yet, you take the time to repeat the naked assertion, but not to demonstrate any basis.

You've once again engaged in namecalling at Elogan and are unable offer even the most rudimentary support for it.

oldpirate

If the lack of support continues the choice won't be ours'.

Perkins Resident

As soon as Mr. Gunner and Mr. Chapman are gone, the levy will pass. It really is as simple as that.

YoMamma

But you will take a loss on your upside down house! You knuckleheads keep think narrowly. A merger doesn't necessarily mean combining schools. Just merge the "offices" share busing, food purchasing, all the administration stuff. Keep Perkins High school and Sandusky High. No one looses their "identity".

Nemesis

Dream on...
Go talk to University Heights about how it works in reality.

oldpirate

That is so lame. Gunner will be and Chapman was elected.Get over it.
Your short sightedness is costing us all money.

Perkins Resident

Hey, don't listen to me, I really don't care. I told you how to get it passed and you attack. Typical levy supporter. Better yet, keep doing what you're doing. It's working.

Nemesis

What is the definition of insanity again?

goodtime1212

We will be a NO until they come out and say what the plans are for the new school project. All I Keep hearing is " no NEW money will go towards the new school. " The plans are done and everything is ready to go, they are just waiting for the right time. EVEN THOUGH THE TAX PAYERS TOLD THEM NO. that is where the NO TRUST comes in.

elogan7202

Have you even attended the meetings the board has set up? They have come out and said NO new school. That plan has been scrapped. Please inform yourself and get to some of these meetings to hear it for yourself! Also as for a new school are you in favor of spending 75% the cost of the new school to renovate and bring the currently one into the new age. I for one feel it's better to spend my money smartly and would rather see a new school that we can get more years out of. Guess that's just me.

goodtime1212

I have typed on here several times that I could not make the meeting due to work, but have listen to and read everything the SR has had about the meetings. At no time have I heard the PROJECT IS SCRAPED, just last week the Sandusky Register had an article on here that stated NO NEW MONEY would be spent on the new school. Can anyone or the SR get and answer on this.

elogan7202

What these no voters can't seem to get is not one yea voter thinks the BOE has done a good job. But what you have to accept is the fact that you the voter are voting them in. Don't like it don't vote for them. Also 9. Yes 9 new members have been voted in and all agree a levy is needed.

Nemesis

"What these no voters can't seem to get is not one yea voter thinks the BOE has done a good job"

Bherrie does.

Subtle

Lotsa people drinking the Ralph koolaid >.<

Subtle

@elogan7202...wonder how many board members total in the decade and a half since the last levy passed... it's just another excuse

elogan7202

Subtle exactly. How many more members voted in by these same no voters need to say we need a new levy till it registers with them. Are they planning on just running through all they can till they get the vindication to hear no. It's not coming. But keep voting in new ones for the next decade. By then the state will be running Perkins.

Nemesis

"How many more members voted in by these same no voters"

Enough to eliminate a majority that was dragged kicking and screaming to the no new school statement.

Enough to get rid of those who voted to illegally borrow money for blueprints without floating a bond issue, and to get rid of the bank officer who greased the rails for the loan.

oldpirate

mammy don't think that is the way it works.

Subtle

@Goodtime1212 the estimates have been public record for like 5 years now. It was 35 million 5 years ago for all 4 buildings... what do you think it's up to now? BTW, no one would do the estimates on the 4 schools for less than a million dollars, so before you say "then I think it's time we got a new estimate" let me just say... they don't have the money for another one.

goodtime1212

Is that for 4 new schools or to renovate?? I think that was for the grand compound we voted NO for. If that is so, then there still are no price quote fro renovating the high school.

Perkins Resident

Keep up the good work levy supporters. Your efforts are paying off at the polls.

elogan7202

@goodtime please please educate yourself. These records you're requesting and the No new school you want to hear have been said at board meeting over and over.

goodtime1212

PAGE 10 of the online paper. It says, NO new money will go for facility projects and the new school project is on HOLD NOT SCRAPED. like I said, just waiting for the right time.

elogan7202

Then please go to a god forsaking meeting and hear it for yourself instead of listening to The Rag. Cause everyone knows what they report is all facts. This has been beat to death at meetings. It's SCRAPPED!!

elogan7202

@Perkins Resident. Classily. Way to add anything at all to the discussion.

Perkins Resident

Please keep typing. With every post, especially ones like the one above, your keeping our taxes down. Thank you in advance.

elogan7202

I'm honestly starting to believe what I heard from my parents. "you can't fix stupid, stupid is forever".

Perkins Resident

Classy? Now this is classy. This adds an over abundance of subject matter to this discussion.

oldpirate

I remember the Ralph days. Makes me shudder. Didn't take the BOE long to figure out that he had to go. Took a long time for the school to recover from his dealings. Gunner is light years ahead of him.

Subtle

@YoMamma regardless of whether they maintain their autonomy or not (which they won't) we will inherit Sandusky's tax rate which is 45.35 mil. You know thinking about it, it's pretty sad that Sandusky residents can swing 45.35 mil for their schools with an average household income more than 20 thousand less per year than the average in Perkins and Perkins whines over a 3.95 mill proposed increase... Pretty soon the state is going to say "Since you won't pass your own levies, you are now part of Sandusky...enjoy your brand new sparkling 17 mil tax increase".

oldpirate

Perkins resident I have said this several times before. YOU WILL PAY!
Only thing to be determined is HOW MUCH and WHEN. You can't escape the tax man.

Perkins Resident

We know we will pay, but WE WON'T pay until WE are satisfied that OUR money will be used how WE want it used. You can't escape the American Voter.

elogan7202

And what do you want? Your failed to state anything so far besides that your voting No

Perkins Resident

Not re-typing my earlier posts. They're there for you to read. I'm done replying to you. You're a troll.

elogan7202

I'm a troll? I would personally love to pay your relocation fee so we can make you Sandusky Resident. I read your posts I just didn't feel like typing something that has been beat to death at every board meeting and answered. See you at the next one? I'll save you a seat!

elogan7202

"Till Gunner and Chapman are gone". Gunner isn't going to step down. Wish he would. As for board members, not sure you're aware of this. YOU vote them in and they appoint your superintendent. Don't like the sup blame the guy you voted in.

Nemesis

"'Till Gunner and Chapman are gone.' Gunner isn't going to step down."

Then it seems there's an impasse. It should be easier to get one to back down than several thousand. If Gunner is really "for the children" then he needs to walk away for them.

goodtime1212

That is what it is about for us, when I can trust you with my money I will vote yes. We are not even close to that now.

elogan7202

You know a part of me hopes that actually happens so these no voters can enjoy their new tax rate while I ride into Huron. Love Perkins and would hate to leave. But will in a heartbeat if that happened

sugar

No one will buy your house in failed Perkins , lol

oldpirate

I think we need a Levy clock that shows how the cost rises as we play this game.

elogan7202

@GoodTime. What don't you trust? You've stated the school not being scrapped. At over 10 meetings now they've said it's been scrapped. What else? They're trying to talk it out with residents at meetings. Problem is no voters don't go cause of what they've heard from another no voter on this forum. Get it from the horse. Hear it with your own ears

goodtime1212

Even IF it is scrapped (I do not believe this to be true) the no trust comes from the fact that we as voters told the BOE NO to a new school many years ago, if they would have listened we would not be having this conversation, but They didn't, so they went behind the voters back and did what? They moved money out of the operating fund,took a several million dollar loan out that we now have to pay back. Then say they don't have any money to operate. THAT is what we don't trust, not to mention all the lies Mr. Gumner has told.

Subtle

Ok so would you rather pay 40 million to bring the existing 4 buildings up to code, because eventually they will have to be and no previous administration has bothered to do more than just keep the lights on. Estimates indicate that would buy the district another decade at which point another 30 million would need to be invested or...

Pay 50 million to scrap the 2 unsalvageable buildings, build new ones that are up to code, energy efficient (enough so that that alone would offset the cost difference over the life of the school), and secure with a minimum estimated life span of 30-40 years.

Which is it, you talk about trust and managing YOUR money... which is a better deal, 70 million to patch up the existing hovel to buy it 20 years, or 50 million to build 2 new buildings that will last for 40 years?

If you can't come to the right conclusion here, maybe you are the one that shouldn't be trusted to manage YOUR money...

Nemesis

How about Gunner and the board members who voted for the illegal loan personally assume responsibility for paying it back out of their own pockets, or getting the bank to write it off?

School districts in Ohio are required by law to balance their budgets unless a bond issue is passed to authorize debt.

YoMamma

Subtle... again narrow minded. Why not county wide school system? It works in other states.

elogan7202

Trust me this board knows they've made mistakes. Their heads are tucked. They're now trying to talk it out with voters at the meetings. But things can't change unless you submit something to the change.

Nemesis

"Trust me this board knows they've made mistakes."

Chapman in particular is just making nice - he still believes he's right.

oldpirate

There is the Sandusky Register undercover again.

elogan7202

I would like to honestly know how many no voters on this forum have attended a board meeting or one of the talk it out forums. My guess is if stats are reported honestly under 5%

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