Perkins Schools levy results

Perkins Schools levy shot down
Melissa Topey
Nov 5, 2013

Perkins Schools 6.73-mill, 10-year levy, with all precincts reporting, according to unofficial results:

AGAINST-2,971

FOR-1,881

Comments

Kobayashi Maru

Smack!

Darkhorse

Say good-bye to Gunner.

Good 2 B Me

Not going to jump the Gun-ner. Let's wait and see how this pay-to-plays out!

fifteenthgreen

Ouch!

ryan5r

Does this mean the football players have to pay their fees tomorrow to play in the game Friday?

fifteenthgreen

Yes! Time to do what this School District did a few years ago!

Despite school levy defeat, Board cuts in half pay-to-play fees

http://www.cleveland.com/medina/...

Kobayashi Maru

My guess is some anonymous donor will pay them again...

sash

There was never an anonymous donor. Just another stupid rumor.

fifteenthgreen

See Below!

Good 2 B Me

For those that preach that we are uneducated and are bandwagon hopping by voting NO, please take note. We are fully aware of what is going on. Unfortunately the kids are paying the price for the actions of the BOE and Jim Gunner. We have taken a stand and are being heard. They will continue to pursue a levy, but as long as the fox is in charge of the hen house, we will continue to vote it down. Time to figure out what the next step is. Somehow, we have to come to the understanding that we are voting against this behavior by BOE/Gunner and are trying to set the future up properly for the kids instead of robbing the Operating Fund to pay for a Stadium. Now, Gunner has forced those kids to pay in order to use that same Stadium because of his questionable behavior. Well done sir. Well done.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Angelc

Well guess I pay the $185.00 for my Middle School child to wrestle this year. This sucks for me since I do pay property tax and still have to do the "pay to play" for my kids.

spamalot

I'll be paying THOUSANDS for my children to participate in their activities this year, and going broke while doing so just they can continue on as normal as possible. But so glad the NO voters save a few bucks a month, and "took a stand and their voices were heard".

fifteenthgreen

Buckeye Local Schools lowers pay to play fees.

http://medinagazette.northcoastn...

spamalot

Something will have to be done. The effects of this are going to be horrible in so many ways!

Perkins2060

Problem is Chapman won. Still going to keep voting no.

spamalot

@Perkins2060, although I do completely understand your logic and appreciate your right to vote how you feel, most times we are never truly happy with who's "in office", and at some point we need to realize just that. People despise Gunner. They vote NO. Now people are unhappy Chapman won. They are already planning on voting NO for the next levy, and might possibly not like another and will continue to vote NO. At what point is enough enough? When do people start thinking of the students and staff and the future of this community, instead of trying to get back at someone they are unhappy with? It's never ending, and the students suffer the most, not Gunner.

Good 2 B Me

This is how the voting process works. Vote for or against those that you favor.

spamalot

I understand that, but when will the KIDS be favored??? Should have been about this kids, not Gunner. It is what it is at this point, it's just sad.

Good 2 B Me

It is about the kids. The money that the BOE/Gunner moved was for the kids! Then he tells us how he needs more...for the kids.
Then he is applying for jobs in other districts. I have to question what he is doing...for the kids.

spamalot

I know, I get it, but now we all continue to suffer for his mistakes. Have to look forward and find a way to fix the issues so our children don't see us struggle financially so they can continue to play sports, or be in band/choir, extra-curriculars, etc. I see many parents getting second jobs and doing whatever it takes to carry on pride and traditions. They shouldn't have to give up their love of something because of someone else's mistake. Life, I know, so I'm hoping the community can come together one day and make this right again.

Good 2 B Me

The Community is together. We are forcing Gunner out and changes to the BOE. This is not about us paying some more taxes. It is about us taking our Schools back and getting the results that we deserve for our Children and Grandchildren.

Stay Strong!

spamalot

Finger's crossed we stay headed in the right direction!

fifteenthgreen

I think it is moving in the right direction, spamalot. If anything, the district is going to have to make adjustments with their message and approach. Concessions may have to be made by the district by lessening the pay to play fees, etc. Clearly though, the direction of this campaign is going to have to change drastically....and fast! While new building(s) are in our future, clearly that has to be shelved for now.

spamalot

Just might. I'll check out the links you posted, too. Thanks!

fifteenthgreen

Let's round up the troops and talk to Mr. Ahner. He can cast a vote! We need to make them listen and follow the lead of other communities in the state. The fees are excessive and should be lowered.

bobshumway92

Gunnerbots still have the majority. We blew our chance. More failed levies and wasted tax dollars is what we will have. Vote no.

fifteenthgreen

spamalot - a group is being organized and a meeting will be set up with Mr. Ahner. It is our understanding he can cast a vote objecting to the obsessive fees. Stay tuned!

spamalot

Will do! Thanks!

Subtle

There is no "Mr." Ahner. He is a boy, plain and simple. The extent of his employment history is working at his parent's mom & pop store selling nick-knacks. His lack of life experience and inability to understand the inner-workings of a system as simple as non family employment with a company with actual rules means in essence, he is little more than a poster boy for the no campaign.

But if by some chance, he really is a magician and can come up with solutions that eluded the foremost experts in the state and possibly country, more power to him, I'll certainly take off my hat to him if by some outside chance, that is the case.

fifteenthgreen

Hey Subtle. I know you're angry, as are others but your posts have been extremely informative and I hate to see you in a negative light. I stooped to this level earlier in frustration to a backlash comment. We had our differences on many topics but I listened and thought about what you had to say. Ahner's young but hopefully he can make a difference by being a catalyst to those that voted for him. He has his work cut out for him and a huge load on his young shoulders. I really feel though, that if the board accepts and engages him, he will be a great tool for them to communicate with the public. My concern is, the public doesn't trust the message. Shoot me your thoughts!!!

Subtle

I'll be honest, I hope you are right. I will also be honest and say I have never met a 23 year old that I would let lock up my office at night let alone make financial decisions. It takes life experience with things such as paying bills and working for a living and trying to balance your personal budget with less than the optimal amount of money for the things you want to do to really understand the balancing act it takes. He has worked for his family and had his college paid for. He has never had to struggle or even have a budget and probably never will; and at 23, that is a blessing, don't get me wrong. I was almost 35 before I realized how naive and oblivious I was at 25 ;)

Truly, I'm of the mindset that everyone has a right to vote how they want, and also the mindset to try to make the most of what you have, so I sincerely hope he does well.

The public doesn't trust the message because they have been fed a lot of misinformation from the 'no' side by a lot of people who don't understand the positions, or finance, or who just don't want to pay more.

The 'yes' side hasn't helped their cause by effectively explaining very complex financial decisions and mechanics... hopefully that will change. I have been investigating all of the aspects of the Perkins finance situation and have learned a lot. I learned the millage move was conceived by a school finance guru who has published several books that are used to teach school finance to people going into the field. It wasn't the pet project of Jim Gunner that people think it was. In fact, it was debated for years and proposed by 3 previous superintendents; though it is a tough sell because you really have to know finance to see the benefit.

I recommend http://www.amazon.com/Ohio-Schoo... to Michael Ahner, I hear he is a quick study (seriously) and no one in the state understands school finance better than Richard E. Maxwell so it will be good, unbiased information.

I personally just ordered my copy and recommend anyone who really wants to learn about the inner-workings of tax laws, levies, etc. does the same.

fifteenthgreen

Information is exactly what we need. Information from a solid, reputable and trusted source.....but presented in a way that everyone understands and makes sense. This thing has been botched from day one and I honestly don't know how they're going to reverse the downward spiral. I listen to what you're saying and will definitely order the book! My kids are getting copies, as well as I think they are losing sight of this whole process and take things for granted.

KnuckleDragger

^^This has to be one of the most ignorant comments yet!!! So someone who is reponsible for helping run the family business now doesn't have the intellegence to sit on the BOE?

Good 2 B Me

Agreed. Maybe he is the MOST qualified as he has been exposed to the Schools more recently than any of us. New, fresh ideas are always welcome. Just so they are not being used to raise money to build a new stadium.

Big Momma

Sandusky doesn't have those fees, has a great school, and open enrollment ;)

Brick Hamland

Didn't they have a mother enter a classroom last year and punch a 13 year old in the face? St. Mary's is a better option if you have to pay for your child to play 3 sports might as well pay tuition for small class sizes and no parents punching you in the face

fifteenthgreen

Yes they did but you can't judge a school by the actions of one!

Subtle

Sandusky receives MUCH MORE tax revenue Perkins does. We pay 28.5 mils, Sandusky residents pay 42.1 mils. Sandusky gets 75% of its state funding, Perkins gets 30% (amounting to 2.5 million dollars of Perkins money being given to 'less financially stable communities')

"Great" depends on what your ultimate goal is. Great for Sandusky is when 76% graduate. Great for Perkins is when 76% go on to receive post secondary educations.

I'd like to hear anyone's solution to the problem (and I am talking about the money problem, not the 'I'm going to try and blame it on the sup/BOE party line BS)...any no voter, even a single realistic idea within the confines of what is legal.

In 2008, the school needed 50 million in repairs because the last time a building improvement levy was passed was 1978. Perkins has been operating on FAR less tax revenue than ANY school in the area for over a decade. We give them ALMOST enough money to run a school the size of Edison on a yearly basis; too bad we're a bit bigger than Edison.

We have not passed a levy in 13 years, through 4 superintendents and over a dozen board members, because regardless of who is sup or on the board, the community always has an excuse.

The sports fees are the total cost of all the sports and then divided by the total number of athletes that played last year. You voted down the levy, as was your right, but it doesn't change the fact that there is a shortage of money. To keep sports running, they implemented pay to play. They could have canceled them outright.

We deny them revenue for repairs, we deny them revenue for athletics, we basically give them enough money to keep the lights on and the buildings warm and yet people complain that they have to pay for programs that cost a ton of money when we the tax payers don't give them any money. Oh yeah, then the state steals 2.5 million just to be certain there isn't enough to go around.

The teachers have had their pay frozen for years and are far from the highest average salaries in the area; same with the administrators.

All the schools expenses keep piling up, yet we give them nothing and wonder why after tying the boards' hands, they have to use alternative means to keep the school afloat.

So tell me, what is the solution, seeing how easy it was to fabricate reasons to not pass the levy, at least one of you should be able to come up with something.

fifteenthgreen

Subtle - We need to break it all down and how are the "no" voters going to be reached. The current message and campaign isn't working. The campaign needs a different approach. I can afford the pay to play fees but many can't. I think this needs to be addressed first as many are going to struggle with final payments due. Many districts have reversed this and refunded fees even without passage. ???

Food For Thought

Wait, you got it in the first sentence, THEY ARE YOUR KIDS! I could give a flying beanstalk how much you are going to pay. I am going to sleep well knowing me and my wife can still goto the movies once a month with MY $26. Get over yourself, take care of your family instead of putting that on me.

spamalot

Wow. You need to move to secluded area that doesn't have families, schools, or community pride. That's probably the most selfish comment made so far. Enjoy your movie.

Food For Thought

You think that me paying almost $.70 per square foot to the schools alone isn't generous enough? I should pay even more because Johnny's Mom and Dad don't have the money to pay for pay to play fees? Why not do fund raisers, I will happily pay a teenager $20 to cut my grass if they need money for their fees. We live in a continual state of entitlement, I am sorry but it is not My responsibility to pay for your kids sports, I will contribute to educational endeavors but not sports. For instance, music and the arts I don't think should be part of the pay to play.

Please do not mistake my desire not to be forced to pay for something for a lack of charity. I learned from a very young age that you have to work for what you want, and this is no different. When was the last time you had a kid come to your door looking to make some money for something they want? I know I haven't seen one in over a year. Your comment is what is wrong with this picture, people shouldn't get a free pass and it's time for kids to learn that fact.

WeThePeople1965

Thousands sounds like a bit of an overstatement.

spamalot

Not an over statement. Thousands! I have two children in all high school sports at $730 a pop, along with band, all choirs (although that is an honor, it's very expensive), Model UN, just to name a few....I refuse to tell them they can't participate in what they love, and what they are good at. One works to help, the other wants to but is too young. I've raised them well, and am blessed to have two young men know what it takes to get what they WANT, but know they have what they NEED. I've made multiple cutbacks in the home, and many personal sacrifices as a single (divorced) mom that's in school myself, and not one complaint from any of us. We take great pride in all that we do individually AND as a team, so It's tough to hear people make negative comments that tears at the heart strings of a close knit family of parents and students. If you haven't experienced it, you have no idea the effect this has on all involved. It's not about asking for handouts. I don't need your cents per square footage...or your $26 monthly movie allowance. At the moment, we are paying the price for someone's mistake....all these kids need is to know that no matter what, their community supports them and will do what it takes to help them through it. Most of you have turned your back on the kids just to upset Gunner, who will most likely leave anyway.

spamalot

And PS, ever try and do the same fundraiser that hundreds of kids are doing all at the same time? It's impossible, and the amount they get towards their account is so minimal it's almost not even worth doing it. People complain when we DO knock on their door, now they complain when we DON'T.

Angelc

To all of us in Perkins you say your fighting Gunner, but did you stop to see that he is already leaving the district. So in the end you didn't fight the BOE or Gunner you put the kids out in the cold and think that you are all high mighty for putting up the good fight. You didn't do anything, but hurt those kids and their parents financially. Gunner blindsided us, but you smacked us right in the face.

Wald

Write to the BOE or go to a meeting and tell them to move the millage back, then maybe a levy will pass.

Subtle

Moving the millage took the financial burden off the homeowner and put the burden on the businesses. When Kalahari becomes available for taxation, we will generate 1.5 million per year through the inside millage, same with the other large buildings such as NOMS. If we move it back, there will be a one time payout and then basically chicken-feed after the first year they become taxable.

The millage move was a financial strategy developed by Richard E. Maxwell one of the foremost experts on school finances in the state and possibly the country, not Gunner, not the board, they implemented a plan that an EXPERT designed and that has been successfully implemented in districts such as ours with great success nationwide, in districts facing far greater financial hardships than Perkins.

Honestly, if you don't understand what inside millage is and how it works, why would you parrot what someone else says... because clearly, they don't understand it either.

fifteenthgreen

I would say a piece needs to be drawn up then on Mr. Maxwell's strategy and be presented to the community. At this point, the majority is overwhelmingly against this move and we need all the information we can get. I feel the district's message has been too vague. You actually go into more detail than the board, Gunner and campaign team combined.

Wald

Moving the millage took away the taxpayer's right to vote on any future building issue. I don't feel comfortable giving a BOE and super that I don't trust that kind of power. Move the millage back and propose a new levy. If the new levy passes, I'll gladly pay, even if it is a bit more expensive as long as it is what the taxpayers decide. I want to vote on decisions, not have them made for me. That's all you need to know.

Subtle

The buildings have needed 50 MILLION in repairs since 2008. You voted on a campus that was going to consolidate all four buildings on a single piece of property, cost 100 million dollars of which 50 million of that was government subsidies (i.e. a free 50 million).

That was put up for a vote and you turned it down. Regardless of the decision to not build the campus, the buildings still needed 50 million in repairs. Those repairs have to be addressed and the money has to come from somewhere. The inside millage move was made so that there would be money available when the time comes that Perkins can no longer open the doors without either repairing or rebuilding the facilities.

No matter what you think about who is superintendent, or who is on the board, it's their job to insure the school stays open and is structurally sound enough for the students to safely attend. Each year the school goes without the funding to make the repairs, the repair bill grows. What was 50 million in 2008 is now probably closer to 55 million.

The money has to come from somewhere. The inside millage move was the only thing left that could be done after the levies didn't pass because the board has to insure the doors stay open, that is their job. It is also their job to find the solution with the least financial impact on the taxpayer over the long run. I'm no expert, but I have read what the experts estimated, and in my opinion, Furry and Meadowlawn can probably be repaired and Briar and the high school *should* be consolidated and rebuilt.

The repairs to Briar and PHS would cost 70% of the cost of a new building, not including ground maintenance and parking lot care, and would not provide the monthly utility savings on heating and cooling that a new energy efficient building would provide. Those repairs have been estimated to make the school viable for 15 years following completion, at which point, at least another 25 million will need to be spent.

Building a new consolidated building for Briar and PHS will decrease the monthly utilities totaling millions in savings, will produce a school that would be viable (without major repair expenditure) for at least 30 years, and will save the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. It's the board's responsibility to find the best financially sound solution that puts the least burden on the taxpayers, and the experts in the field say that is the best solution.

Only a fool would insist they repair the old buildings at much greater cost to the tax payer instead of building new simply out of spite... are you a fool?

Good 2 B Me

I have to laugh at your comments. If you are so intelligent and KNEW how to fix these issues, why did you not run for the BOE? Why did you wait until after the levy failed to show the people that you are of a superior intelligence?

You crack me up.

Wald

"That was put up for a vote and you turned it down"
No, I didn't. I didn't live in Perkins when that was on the ballot.
"Only a fool would insist they repair the old buildings at much greater cost to the tax payer instead of building new simply out of spite"
I never suggested I'd rather have the old schools repaired at a "much greater" cost than building new out of spite. Once again, you're spinning. Your circumlocutory explanations of school finances don't change the fact that the right to vote on building issues was taken out of the hands of the taxpayers, who are expected to foot the bill, by the millage move. Either you're too thick to understand this, or you don't care about the taxpayers' democratic right to have a vote.

fifteenthgreen

...and we still have that asbestos issue to deal with and apparently no money left in the account to fix it!

Kobayashi Maru

He's trying to leave - no one has hired him yet. Don't be so sure some other district will take him - they can read this website and they see they hatred many people have toward him. And no, the kids won't be out in the cold. The buildings still have heat, and specials, and sports, although Gunner and the board said those things would be cut if the levy failed in May, and August.

fifteenthgreen

Someone will eventually hire him!

underthebridge

His contract runs until or through 2015. He cannot be easily asked to leave. This represents another bad decision by the BOE. He's a divisive figure and they gave him a lengthy contract.

VOTENO

Yet the voters re-elected Chapman. KEEP VOTING NO!

underthebridge

I can't figure that out. Maybe a yes voter is likely to vote for Chapman.

fifteenthgreen

Didn't Franklin suggest eliminating extra curricular activities? If so, political suicide in any school district. In the eyes of many, sports, arts, etc. are more vital to the educational experience than the education itself.

Wald

That was a rumor spread by the supporters.

fifteenthgreen

Thanks, Wald. I'm just not sure where it went wrong for him. That definitely was the surprise of the night.

Food For Thought

He's not gone yet!

whattheBucks

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the unsilent ma...

Quit whining

fifteenthgreen

Anybody know what the 6.73 mill was for? I still don't know what they were going to use the money for and I followed this thing daily. New school? Repairs? Teachers? Programs? Asbestos removal? Pay to Play elimination?

2.5 million a year for 10 years for what? 25 million dollars!

ritt

Glad I'm not the only one that thought that. Basic plans to keep everyone happy but nothing of substance as to their plans had it passed.

Perkins2060

Glad the levy failed, but Chapman is still on the Board. I will continue to vote no until Chapman and the rest of them are replaced.

JohnDorian12

Way to show the kids how you feel

fifteenthgreen

I'm still shaking my head over the $220 HS Choir pay to play fee. For what? To me...that hurts the kids. A fee for nothing!

ritt

My simple thought is if there is a fee to participate, there should be a list as to why those fees are necessary and where all the money goes.

Good 2 B Me

Just another way to strike fear into the wallets of the parents. I call shenanigans on Gunner and the BOE!

fifteenthgreen

Agree, ritt. They need to break down what every penny is going to be used for. I have one at Briar and one in the HS and the fees are excessive!

sash

If there are is not enough money in the budget to pay for the music teachers, art teachers, coaches and staff then someone has to come up with the money to keep the programs.

fifteenthgreen

The teacher's wages are not paid for with pay to play fees. My kids should not have to pay for teacher's wages via pay to play!

ladydye_5

Why do you need to PAY to take band/choir.....some schools it is a required class?!?!?

fifteenthgreen

I've been saying this from the beginning. I have no idea what the fees are going towards! Art class, as well! It's all about scare tactics and the votes in my opinion but in the end, something or someone has got to give!

WeThePeople1965

Yeah, I feel the same way. The extra-curriculars are outrageous in cost, but I also feel that if it is so important to play sports, then the cost should rest with the parents. Nowadays, sports/extracurriculars are just a way for parents to one-up other people.

Love614

Be a Blue Streak!

Angelc

Without the Levy passing these are the fees that Perkins Parents have to pay per activity. This is what I meant by our kids being out in the cold. For some of these kids this was the only thing they looked forward to and now some of them won't be able to play because the parents cannot afford "the pay to play" fees. So if you know of an anonymous donor that has money to give away let us know.
2013-2014
STUDENT ACTIVITY FORM
Perkins H.S. Sports ($730.00) Briar M.S. Sports ($185.00)
Perkins H.S. Band/Choir ($220.00) Briar M.S. Clubs/Co-Curriculars ($100.00)
Perkins H.S. Clubs/Co-Curriculars ($100.00)

Kobayashi Maru

You really think the board and administration is going to make you pay those fees? They haven't held true on any promise, so why do you believe they will now?

nonicork

Yes, yes I do because it's true and my pay date is here or my kid can't participate in a winter sport!!!

Kobayashi Maru

But yet they were able to participate in a fall sport. And there are still specials at Elementary buildings. And no teachers lost their jobs.

Bherrle

Koba,

You need to check your facts on the teachers jobs. 17 positions were cut during the summer, and 8 part timers brought back. In the past two years, the district is down 24 positions.

Lin Williams

I don't care how people feel about me but I voted YES! Obviously it didn't matter, but here is the scoop, if my child is kept from participating in sports because of my inability to pay the High School almost 2,000.00 for these outlandish fees, this WILL go in a direction I am sure will not be suitable to all you NO voters! All of us parents that use sports to keep our children occupied, off the streets, maintaining a healthy lifestyle and learning how to be productive will be the first ones crying when half drop out because of inability to pay and then you have Pi$$ed off teenagers out causing disturbances because their passions have been shot down due to your crazy hatred for Gunner! Well played Perkins Well Played!

Good 2 B Me

Wow, if these kids are such horrible people that they need to be occupied and kept off of the streets, why would you think that a few sporting events would stop them from being trouble? Not a very concise statement.

Lin Williams

Very concise statement your just a moron! ALL kids need their time occupied with things that lead to productivity, proven fact young people get bored this usually leads to doing things not so productive! This will back fire on all you NO voters in some way, shape or form. Hopefully enough families having to pay this outrageous fee figure out there is a way around it! Use your mind wisely, and end result could be Perkins tax payers ending up forking out a larger amount of money elsewhere! I for one will not let my child be thrown out of the things he loves to do without a fight! Taking your hatred for Gunner and certain board members out on these children is what shows the intelligence level of our community!

Wald

I love it when someone calls someone else a moron and they can't even spell "you're" correctly. Ironic!

Good 2 B Me

Exactly. Resorting to name calling too! Shows the level of intelligence.

senioritis

And yet any supporter of the levy/this BOE gets called a "Gunner-bot" and that is supposed to be ok?

Good 2 B Me

Name calling is not going to change my vote. It shows your lack of intelligence and that your distaste for other people's opinions. It is people like yourself that are so rigid and inflexible that need to change in order to move forward to the future. Sad, but true. Maybe you should stop insulting others and take a look in the mirrior. I can only imagine what you would see.

princedenny

"All of us parents that use sports to keep our children occupied, off the streets."

REALLY?

Why don't you be a PARENT (instead of having coaches / teachers do it for you) and make sure that type of behavior doesn't take place.

KnuckleDragger

^^Wow, what a great parent and shining example to your children. Nothing like getting on a public forum to essentially insinuate and advocate violence by your kids because someone else isn't paying for their sports.

Wald

Here's an idea, Lin. Pay your kid's pay-to-play fees, make a little certificate, wrap it up in a box, put a bow on it, and put it under the Christmas tree. That way, your kid can play and your holiday shopping is done, killing two birds with one stone. Also, you can give up Starbucks and cigarettes for a year, as Subtle seems to think that is the answer to offsetting higher taxes.

fifteenthgreen

That's a good idea, Wald. Pay to play gift cards!

Good 2 B Me

Starbucks and Cigarettes!! I forgot about that solution!

Only problem for me is that I never smoked and I don't drink coffee.

What should I do?

Sean Cassidy Sa...

15th Green the reason why you don't know what the money is for is because your response to Mr. Gunner's letter was a Charlie Brown reference. Which sums up the maturity level of some bloggers.

If I was a member of the Vote No Community I would be embarrassed by some of these comments. A real show of character.

Sean Cassidy

fifteenthgreen

I read his letter and don't believe his message. Like everything else with this campaign. Get some real leadership going door to door and clarify the message....and then back it up! Can you answer the question? They will simply not get a blank check, Sean!

"Perkins Community:

The Perkins School District levy is critical to providing ongoing quality education to the students of Perkins now and in the future. This levy addresses both the day-to-day operational costs necessary to run the district as well as a solid plan to renovate and or build new facilities all at a modest cost. Without the passage of this levy, additional reductions will make it more difficult for our students to have the education they need to be prepared for life in the 21st Century."

Too vague, Sean! $25 million for what? The district's campaign message is terrible!

Informed

Open enroll in Huron! Despite the controversy, we still passed our levy 3-1! We know how to support our kids!!

princedenny

That and your choice of school board members (Green and Slocum) shows how ignorant the majority of people in Huron truly are.

VOTENO

Vote NO again! Chapman was re-elected. Nothing changes. VOTE NO!

Sean Cassidy Sa...

Well Vote No it gives you another chance to make a classy tea bag reference down the road. Sean Cassidy

VOTENO

What is your obsession with tea bags? Excuse me, but your fellow yes voter brought up the reference. What is your obsession?

Sean Cassidy Sa...

Oh well then it must be okay.

bobshumway92

So you like it?

fifteenthgreen

Kiss and make up....you two!!!

Transplant1

Wait a minute VOTENO!!!! In a previous post by you, Franklin and Ahner were going to win, move the mills back and put a smaller Levy on the ballot and you are magically reborn as VOTEYES. What happened to your plan? Still a NO voter, huh?! Sounds like the same ole sucker believing politics.

bobshumway92

Transplant the troll!

Transplant1

I truly think you have me confused with someone else.

underthebridge

Maybe this defeat will show them that it isn't just families who don't have students within the schools who oppose the spending priorities of the BOE.

Transplant1

From the outside looking in, I hope that all of the NO voters do not go to any Perkins school functions. I don't know if the yes vote was better, but I would hope that the no voters don't support any of perkins athletics, choir, or band or anything. I just hope that now that the issue is resolved, and I mean voted on, that people stick to there guns. If you don't support the schools, don't step foot on the school grounds. And once you do vote yes, after another two years when your board members you don't like leave then go back to the schools. Until then, SHOW YOUR NO SUPPORT BY NOT GOING.

fifteenthgreen

Not a good idea for the gate and concessions!

Transplant1

The NO voters already complain about the athletic field anyways.

bobshumway92

Transplant the troll sticks her head up again.

Transplant1

Fairly confident you have me confused with someone else. I am not a her and if you saw me, you would not call me a troll.

Good 2 B Me

Trolling is trolling.

bobshumway92

Transplant starts off with "From the outside looking in". That's where I stop reading all of her posts.

Transplant1

Not a her. I'm telling you, you have me confused with someone else.

Kobayashi Maru

It would be nice to see that union take a pay cut. They seem to be doing well, given all the new houses they live in and all those nice foreign cars in the lots. Why don't they give back 5 or 10 percent to help close the budget gap?

Sean Cassidy Sa...

How about a pay freeze? Wait, they did that.

Kobayashi Maru

A pay freeze doesn't stop steps, or brackets, or whatever they are called.

The New World Czar

Who do you think had their fingers in the levy committed the most? It was the PEA. Not necessarily "for the kids" here.

Laughing

What you don't get is that Gunner will wake up tomorrow still making his 100k+ and having great benefits. He will eventually leave and continue having a pretty nice career compared to most making the same or more elsewhere. This community is and will be the only loser in all of this. Say all you want, but that's the facts.

spamalot

AGREED!!

fifteenthgreen

Agree, but until he leaves this community we will never begin to heal! Why can't you understand this?

Good 2 B Me

That is the truth. Until Gunner is gone, this continues.

Bherrle

A community that allows itself to be divided by one man is a community much to easily divided.

fifteenthgreen

It's starting to get to the point where it is not divided, Brad. More and more are leaning one way. You have to recognize this and make adjustments...even if you don't like them. You have almost 1,200 people to swing in your favor to tip the scale. Nearly 3,000 people are against the current direction of the district. We need to change that direction or the votes will never swing. I'm all for figuring out what that message is and presenting it to the public quickly. Ask them!

Lin Williams

AGREED!

KnuckleDragger

As will the overpaid athletic director. I'll tell you what, I will volunteer to do that job part time for my old alma mater for FREE and then they can get rid of the pay to play fees

The New World Czar

Does Perkins have a "three strikes and you're out" policy?

fifteenthgreen

Huber Heights reduces excessive pay to play fees! Speak out. I'm going to!

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/...

Sean Cassidy Sa...

When you speak out make sure you put your name on it. Sean Cassidy

fifteenthgreen

Last I checked when I cast my vote I didn't have someone looking over my shoulder!

Sean Cassidy Sa...

Class on and off the field?

spamalot

This is confusing me... what are you talking about? FOCUS!

fifteenthgreen

Agree. Mad at VoteNO and Bob?

Sean Cassidy Sa...

If a community demands accountability the community should be accountable themselves. In is this forum there isn't. Especially when you fire a personal shot my way, no matter how good it was. Put your name on it. In all seriousness you have to admit that bit about the vote yes sign caused a fatal accident was disgusting.

fifteenthgreen

You have a right to be angry but direct it at those that are leading our district into the toilet! I'm tired of it! You should be, as well! It is going to take some drastic changes to bring this community together!

Not sure what you're referencing on the last sentence? Who made that comment regarding the accident?

Bherrle

VoteNo and Bobby Shumway.

powerhouser

VoteNo and Bob Shumway are faceless cowards hiding their toughness behind a computer. That was MY sign on bogart, it had NOTHING to do with accident. But those two cowards still to this day wont identify themselves besides cowardly screen names. Still waiting . J Balduff. And the story about a kid "darting " out from behind a sign on strub, TOTAL lie. All the yards by that sign have 6-foot fenced yards. no kid just randomly jumped the fence and hid behind a sign that had two feet clearance off the ground. A kid didn't hide behind the ONE 2x4 leg holding it up. computer cowards,bob and voteno

fifteenthgreen

spamalot - Huber Heights, Buckeye and Mentor schools reduced excessive fees by half. I'll find more.

Strongsville considers reducing fees! http://strongsville.patch.com/gr...

Sean Cassidy Sa...

15th knows what I am talking about.

fifteenthgreen

??? You started it, SC! Cracking on my Charlie Brown!!! Stay focused.

spamalot

Not really sure if it's personal or pertains to the issue at hand...guessing personal but are irrelevant for this conversation. Keep the links coming, thanks again!!

Sean Cassidy Sa...

Thanks for letting me be part of the conversation. Just read my post above, that goes for 15th as well. Good night all.

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