Shutting down the Perkins police department

Every job at the police department now depends upon the levy's approval.
Andy Ouriel
Mar 21, 2013

"This levy is important for the safety of your community and the safety of our officers," Perkins police Chief Ken Klamar said.

Without new money, the department would be gutted — all 17 full-time officers, commanders, and a detective.

"We are a proud township and we deserve a police department," said township resident Baranda Adams, wife of Perkins police Officer Brent Adams.

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Perkins police replacement levy proposal

MILLAGE: 5.5

LENGTH: Five years through 2018.

• WOULD GENERATE: $1.9 million a year, up from $1 million the department presently gets.

COST: Annual cost to owner of $100,000 home equals $168.44

USE: To fund daily police operations, including patrols, investigations and other related services.

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Comments

Darkhorse

The article goes on to say that Perkins might contract with Sandusky if the levy fails. I think not! Perkins is on their own to provide for their own, not unless you want to annex us properly. Sandusky doesn't have the money to support Perkins Police protection. Perkins people are fools for passing this levy which gives Perkins more money out of the general fund to spend. Perkins need not to push their duties off onto Sandusky. We can't even keep our own force together let alone furnish Perkins police protection.

samiam

The township is NOT asking for a renewal of the general fund levy. That means that it will stop generating funds when it expires at the end of this year. By law, the township is allowed some inside millage and that is all the general fund will receive. If passed, the police levy will only be allowed to fund the police department, like the fire levy. The funds will not be able to be used for general fund expenses.

Perkins Police have always been proactive rather than just reactive. That won't be the case if we have to depend on the sheriff's office for our police protection. And if you think it will be cheaper to have the sheriff's office take over, think again. The sheriff's office doesn't have any money to add any additional officers now. If they were to take over for Perkins Police, they would have to make do with the current number of patrol officers or raise your county taxes to hire more officers. As a township resident I don't want to have to wait for an officer over in Vermilion township or out in Margaretta township to respond to my call for help. Do you?

If you are thinking of voting against this levy because of the new township hall, please don't penalize the police department for the actions of the trustees. The trustees made the decision to build, NOT the police department.

VOTENO

Don't punish the police department because of the actions of the trustees. Don't punish the kids because of the actions of the board and Gunner. Yadda, yadda, yadda.... Read my name!

Matt Easterhold

Merge Merge Merge Merge Merge Merge Merge Merge!

Why pay more more taxes, merging does not necessarily mean less for Perkins. In fact by combining resources it would make Perkins safer!

More money for police!
More money for fire fighters!
More money for schools!

When does it stop, merge the city and township pppllleeeeeaaaaasssseeee!

Cowboy

Ha ha ha, how is merging going to keep Perkins safer? All merging is going to do is put all the Perkins cops on Sandusky streets since that is where all the shootings are! Sandusky will reap ALL the benefits of Perkins taxpayers!

Matt Easterhold

Sheer numbers is how, more police by volume, more on the same shift. A quicker response time might help them actually catch the thiefs from all the robberies in Perkins.

Close the SPD station and put them all in Perkins, they would be in the middle of the area and able to patrol the township and city.

Cowboy

You will have the same number of officers covering the same amount of area. It is a merger of area as well as personnel. Where do you come up with more officers to cover the area?

Cowboy

Matt never was good with mathematical story problems!

WiseManOnceSaid

Cowboy likely barely graduated. Has no further education, maybe a certificate. How much would your property value go down without a police force? Probably more than it would cost per individual...

Cowboy

My property value won't go down, it's protected by Smith & Wesson!

Cowboy

...and not that it means anything, but since you seem to want to match educational experiences, I graduated from college with honors.

Dont Worry Be Happy

Can't imagine that cowboy ;)

Tmm

Hey Matt do you have any idea what mileage the average sanduskyian pays vs the average perkinian? When you have a clue come back with a reply. Sandusky is the county seat. Merging by law will require a match in mileage with the city of sandusky. Once that FACT sinks in you moron come back with something that justifies any merge in your simple mind.

samiam

Is that you, Timmy?

Dont Worry Be Happy

Good one :)

bnjjad

So the Police department with the newest (and one of the largest) fleet of vehicles out of the Tri-County area needs money or they will gut the department and contract with Sandusky. For some reason I find this funny. (Yes, I realize that vehicles don't always come from the same funding)

Yes, I am not a Perkins resident, however I do not think merging the two departments will help because Sandusky has enough problems to deal with without a larger jurisdiction.

Cowboy

Worse come to worse, we have enough Deputy Sheriffs living throughout Perkins to keep us safe. But, I'm pretty sure the township can find the money to keep these officers employed. Take notes from what the school system is doing! Cut the fluff!

Cowboy

Plus, we all have guns!

JACKEL

HAD !

samiam

Where the deputies live doesn't mean that is where they patrol. There are not enough deputies to do their current duties and take over for Perkins Police. To add more deputies the county will have to increase your taxes too.

lugnut2511

All the taxes from the hotels generate enough funds for policing? It certainly cant be because they surely dont put the money into the roads. Build a brand new police station, then threaten to close it..Way to go Perkins!

Cowboy

They can go back to working out of the Sheriffs Department for all I care!

Cowboy

I don't remember voting on building the new complex......do you?

samiam

Did you attemd any meetings and voice your concerns when the trustees were making the decision to sell the old building on Rt 250? You elect the trustees to make decisions. They made the decision. Don't penalize the police department for the trustees decisions. The police department didn't make the decision.

Cowboy

Ha ha ha then I guess the trustees better come up with the money because the taxpayers aren't flipping the bill this time! WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP!

pavedparadise

@samiam

Now there ya have it. Politicians make our decisions for us. Oh brother.

samiam

@pavedparadise:
Did you attend twp meetings and voice your concerns or objections? Did you call any trustee and talk to them about your concerns or objections? If you don't give input, they can't read your mind.

WFO

Well i guess its "goodbye".... can't say as i will miss paying for your services.

Cowboy

Should have bought that helicopter years ago, then you could have just cut that service!

donutshopguy

Lets analysis those numbers.

The police need $168 dollars per year combined with $240 a year the school needs. That's $408 dollars on a $100,000 dollar home. Since the average cost of a home in Perkins is $175,000 dollars lets multiply that number by 1.75.

That's $714 dollars per year additional to your present taxes. Now, make your decisions with a true number. Not the spin doctor's numbers.

For those of you planning on living in the township for the next 30 years that number explodes to $21,420. This is without any additional levies or taxes assessed over those 30 years. We all know that's not going to happen.

If it's .08 per hour or $59.50 per month it's still $704.00 per year added to your present taxes.

samiam

don't forget to subtract the cost of the expiring levy

Dont Worry Be Happy

The general levy fund expires at the end of the year it is being replaced by the Police levy fund. There will be NO general levy fund any more if the police levy passes. If you would go to the meetings you would understand this better.

Darkhorse

Perkins is bluffing. What a waste to build a brand new police station and then threaten to close it up because people didn't pass the levy, that in itself is a waste of taxdollars. Not very good smarts at all. It doesn't sound like Perkins knows what they are doing half the time. They take for granted that the Sheriff's office and Sandusky will take care of their problems when the people vote no, not unless all of this was well planned ahead of time with the county and Sandusky. Voters are tired of the mismanagement and the threats and deception if this or that doesn't pass.

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BW1

It's important to note that this is a fixed term replacement levy - the only new taxes are the difference in millage from the one it replaces. It's not the same as the school levy, which is all new millage, and is permanent. Too many people here are conflating the two levies.

As for merging, it's a losing proposition for Perkins. Perkins taxpayers will be net donors to net dependents of Sandusky. The higher density of Sandusky means that the underclass of Sanduaky will outvote the productive taxpayers of Perkins to bleed them dry. Call a merger what it really is - wealth redistribution achieved by denying Perkins residents any self-determination.

Cowboy

You got the trustees and the BOE playing shell games with our money and then threatening us with lack of services! WELL WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF IT! Most of us educated voters in Perkins see right through it all! VOTE NO ON BOTH!

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BW1

That you see these two levies as the same demonstrates that you are NOT an educated voter.

donutshopguy

BWI,

Do you believe the burden of this tax levy will ever go away? Do you believe the township will not ask for more money in the future?

Just like the millage that is being replace and added to, this levy will only go away in name only. The tax burden is not going away.

I don't care how people vote. Just understand some basic facts to make your best decision.

I do agree in your assessment of the merger question.

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BW1

No, the burden of paying for a police department will not go away, and as the policing needs of the township change, that burden may increase slightly.
However, fixed term levies represent the highest accountability way to fund such things.

If residents feel that the police department is doing its job, i.e. keeping crime down in the community, then they should renew the levy. Given the number of shootings right next door in Sandusky, they seem to have done a good job of keeping that mayhem from spreading to Perkins, and again, the amount of crime right on the township's northern doorstep is a good reason for the slight increase in millage.

Now, the schools, on the other hand, are just looking for a way to fund Gunner's edifice complex.

SamAdams

"Wealth distribution?" But wait, isn't that what the current political climate is all about? Come on, Obama voters, step up to the plate and get distributing!

The truth is that I agree with BW1, and I oppose "wealth redistribution." But then, I didn't vote for Obama, either. Time to pay the piper, majority Dems!

donutshopguy

Sam,

Isn't that what is also going on in the Perkins schools? Perkins needs more operating funds to support the open enrollment students from Sandusky. Or Perkins needs a new school to house the open enrollment students. Perkins pays more money from their property taxes to redistribute to support the Sandusky kids.

Super Judge

blah blah blah I just want to know what are you trying to do to that little bird?

beepx22

Does that mean they'll be putting their SHO taurus up for sale...

samiam

You mean the one the PPD won for the township?

beepx22

That's exactly the one i mean.

greenteam

Townships and Villages can contract out for their Police and Fire. So Darkhorse yes they can contract with Sandusky or the County. This levy is a new levy for Police only, not for the general fund. If this levy does not pass there will be no Police for Perkins Township. The Township is not forced to have a police department. The County is obligated to provide services to all the villages and townships in thier respectable county that does not have a police department. It is up to the residents of Perkins to vote yes for the Police Levy if they want thier own Police Department. If it is voted down you will probably see the county in Perkins providing services and hiring some of the officer who lose thier lose jobs in Perkins if the levy fails.

samiam

And if it's voted down and the sheriff takes over policing the township, they can't afford to hire some of the officers who lose their jobs in Perkins without coming back to the taxpayer and asking for money. So do you want to pay the county or do you want to pay the township? I also feel the property values will go down without our own police force.

nobodyfromnowhere

Remember the Sheriff is only obligated to respond to and investigate criminal incident. There is NO REQUIREMENT TO PATROL any where in the county. There also is no time limit on that response or how it is classified. IE most serious first. Minor crimes could have very long wait times as in several hours. I also don't see the county hiring extra deputies as the are running very lean already.

bobshumway92

Yes to the po po. No no to the schools.

Doody

A new stadium = no teachers
A new township building = no police

Maybe we should run credit checks on anyone running for office to see if they even know how to manage their own money--as a start.

Doody

and to make it clear, I really am leaning towards voting yes to anything for the police and just the police

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BW1

Which is what this levy is - it has nothing to do with the new building.

Hmmm...

Something to remember. Chief Klamar and the trustees are not asking for more money for police as some are saying, just the same amount they had before the property devaluation of the past 5 years and the change in state funding took over a million out of the police budget. It is not a matter of do we pay for our services, it is only who we pay it to - county, Sandusky or our own police force.

EZOB

I said, "Vote No on the Fire Levy". We need emergency and police, consider the roads and the Fire levy should have come in last.
Now the Fact! Read today's SR article on the unpaid prpoerty taxes. Pass more levies, raise taxes and you'll see more unpaid taxes and the weekly foreclosures will increase another page or two. Wait, doesn't this sound just like what's coming out of D.C.? We have to spend more and tax more to rejuvenate the economy. One central office under Sigsworth sounds good to me. They answer each other's calls anyway.

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GhostlyManor

Donut, if you want to make sure people get the facts, make sure you give the CORRECT facts. The new police levy will add aprx $86/yr per $100,000. So using your math of 1.75 = aprx $150/yr. This also assumes property values from 3-5 years ago. I won't argue with your opinion on how funds were spent in the past but my decision will be simple. Is the safety of my family, friends and business worth an additional $150 per year?

Hmmm...

I agree and vote yes!

donutshopguy

Ghostly,

The article state " $168.44 per year on a 100,000 home. Either you are mistaken or the article is wrong.

So what's more important, the safety or education of your children?

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GhostlyManor

No Donut, my numbers are correct and and so is the article. The aprx $86/yr represents the ADDITIONAL amount you would pay as a Perkins homeowner. Currently, Perkins homeowners are already paying aprx $83 per year on a $100,000 home.

donutshopguy

Thanks for the correct information.

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BW1

I tried to point that mistake out to you once already

deertracker

Too much sugar from all those donuts maybe?

goodtime1212

This is a new levy for the PD. NONE of the money from the police levy can go into the general fund, that is in the ORC. The new Township hall is paid for, half is the PD. the other half is the township offices, the back part is the road dept. I dont agree with the way things worked out with a new bldg. then asking for money. The way I understand it, ( have talked to the trusties ) no General fund money was used to build the new building. Unlike the schools who went to the voters for a new school and we told them NO. Then moved money around to fund the new school, and now say they need it back to operate.

Cowboy

Ok? Then where did the money for the safety department go? Did it just magically disappear?

samiam

No, it didn't magically disappear. The state cut funds to the township by about $1 million. That basically funded the PPD. Seriously, if you have questions, call Chief Klamar or one of the trustees. They would be more than glad to address any questions and concerns that you have. Or send them an email. Their email addresses are posted on the township website: http://www.perkinstownshipohio.c...

Cowboy

I don't need to call any of these folks to see that someone is pulling the wool over my eyes! But you go ahead and go talk to them and make sure to drink from the kool aid on the way in.

Eph 2 8-10

Are they taking a play out of Obama's playbook? Threaten the people? Come on folks, grow up! Let's reason together and hear some VALID reasons why the voters should say yes--not threats. Tell us the who, what, where, when, why, and how...... OK? Please.....

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BW1

Simple - it's a tax you're already paying, but it will increase slightly to make up for money the state is not providing (but the state is also cutting income taxes.) The levy which currently funds the police is expiring, and this is the replacement. If the expiring levy isn't replaced, then all EXISTING funding for the police department ends, just like, if you don't renew your insurance, coverage ends.

It's truly astounding how many voters don't know the difference between a fixed term and a permanent levy, or between a new and a replacement/renewal levy, or between inside and outside millage. If you refuse to educate yourself, you ethically have no business voting.

Brainiac2007

Everyone has their hands out wanting money! Bottom line is the working people are sick of handing money away to waste! If money is going to be wasted at least allow us to be the ones to WASTE it on buying something for ourselves. So sick of everyone thinking the community OWES them something and threaten all kind of jazz to scare people into agreeing! The school system is going to lay off people but they will be rehired right before the next school year....watch and see :) Yep school board you have some leaks! I feel the same about the police department as I do about the schools. The PPD could afford NEWS SUVS to drive around our little township, so if you can fuel those things 3 or 4 times a day you don't need the communities handouts! This world has gone to heII in a handbasket and sure isn't going to get any better!

Dont Worry Be Happy

Cowboy....brainiac...or any of you that are negative about the PPD...do you go to any of the TWP meetings??? I doubt it because there's usually a whole 2 people that show up for the meetings besides a few regulars. So just curious to how many of you come up with all these answers because what many of you are saying are not that answers that I have gotten ftom Chief Klamar . Brainic, Just curious to how you came up with filling up the suv's 3 or 4 times a day, did you see the gas log book?

This is a REPLACEMENT LEVY.....meaning 5 years ago the people of the TWP voted in a 2.7 mil levy which is going to expire at the end of the year. But because government funding for the TWP was cut one mil they have to ask the people of the TWP to help with that funding to keep the same quality of police services going.

I for one like the service that the PPD has to offer I feel very safe in this community.... VOTE YES !!

And people please call and get the real facts.

Cowboy

Again, I don't need to call any of these folks to see that someone is pulling the wool over my eyes! But you go ahead and go talk to them and make sure to drink from the kool aid on the way in.

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BW1

Your refusal to address the facts he posted shows the only one pulling wool over your eyes is you.

wetsu

No mention of King Kasich and his massive cuts coming home to roost in your fair township? The governor knows best where to send your money. Perhaps it's time to place part of the responsibility where it belongs.

Darwin's choice

Have some of the ever driving around Homeland Security officers patrol perkins. If you can get them away from the sandusky and huron boat ramps long enough! Gotta keep them canadiens away......

Cowboy

Great idea!

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BW1

More ignorance - federal officers can only enforce federal laws.

Darwin's choice
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BW1

That speaks about training and other resources DHS makes available to state and local law enforcement. It doesn't mention DHS personnel enforcing local laws.

Dont Worry Be Happy

Cowboy since you have all the answers and are college educated and sick of being taxed why don't you run for TWP trustee????

Cowboy

And put up with morons? No way!

Hmmm...

There's the problem. The generalized assumption that all who run for office are morons and those who just sit at home and complain arn't. There are some very good people who care about our commuinty who run for office to make a difference. They need our support and our input. That is why we go to the meetings - to hear, to discuss and to give our input. And to make sure we elect people who want to do more than just complain.

Cowboy

Cry me a river! Pleeeeeeease!!!

wiredmama222

I doubt if before too long, Perkins and Sandusky do become one place. Economically it would be for the best just to end the economic striff of both places and that wouldn't be all bad despite what many think.

Electing people from both places to make the decisions of the newly formed combined area (and newly named) would be a great benefit to the combination. I liked the idea of a credit check for the people running...if they can't run their own finances they certainly shouldn't be trying to run a city.

Combining and centrally locating fire and police isn't a bad idea either any more than going after the dead beats who owe taxes up the chocolate whiz wang is. If you owe it, pay it or lose your property to someone who will pay it gladly. Most states allow that anyway....you can lose your property to a person on a tax sale if you are more than two years behind on taxes. That's your own fault.

Things don't always have to be negative, some "mergers" can be for the good of all and in these terrible times, this type can be more beneficial to everyone. Sharing the costs can be a great big help to everyone: police and fire. It may even be possible to hire a few more guys if need be and having two police chiefs isn't all bad either. Especially if they can work together to get things done correctly. (like co captains on a team).

So don't think so negatively about everything. It isn't a contest where one is better than the other. That isn't always the case.

Remember too....Perkins BOE is considering a new school. With a merger of the two cities, you may not need it. Sandusky High is pretty big. Under the new name, maybe they won't need to build a new one. Just imagine how great it would be on all the taxes not going up for THAT expense. There are some great options for a junior high as well. Fix and repair is less than building a new school too.

And combining or electing a new school board is just what the doctor ordered when it comes to fixing what ailes the bad parts of a dissatisfied community about present school board woes. Doesn't it?

Just saying.

Cowboy

You will see a mass exodus from Perkins if Sandusky and Perkins decide to become one. There is a reason people chose to live in Perkins over Sandusky! Mark my words, Perkins would turn into another rental community, just like Sandusky, because people would not be able to sell their houses. Just make sure to give us plenty of advance notice if this is going to happen because the realtors will need to have a lot more for sale signs made up.

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BW1

That's the first intelligent thing you've said in this forum.

Wiredmama, once again your failure to grasp reality astounds. Merging with Sandusky would destroy Perkins.

deertracker

Leave! Who cares? The delinquent taxes are probably owed by those that live in Perkins but own "rental" property in Sandusky so exit, sell your home and rental property. Bye!

sorryhog

Let's face it, people can't keep paying more and more taxes.
Why bust their buts working, and have nothing left, after taxes?

Dont Worry Be Happy

PEOPLE WE ARE ALREADY PAYING ON A LEVY

IT IS GOING TO EXPIRE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR

THEY ADDED TO THE ADDITIONAL LEVY BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT FUNDING WAS TAKEN AWAY

SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SAME AMOUNT OF GREAT POLICING SERVICE THEY HAD TO ASK FOR A FEW MORE DOLLARS

THIS LEVY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT THE TWP WAS STILL GOING TO NEED MONEY TO KEEP PATROLING

AS FAR AS THE FANCY CARS THE PPD ARE DRIVING AROUND...THEY WERE CHEAPER THAN THE OTHERS THE TWP USED TO DRIVE

MERGING WITH SANDUSKY...SANDUSKY OFFICER MAKE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN PERKINS OFFICERS SO MEANING YOU STILL HAVE TO HIRING MORE OFFICERS TO HELP PATROL WHICH MEANS SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED SO WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM...YOU

LETTING SHERIFFS OFFICE TAKE OVER...THEY MAKE MORE THAN PERKINS BUT WOULD STILL HAVE TO HIRER MORE OFFICERS AND WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT MONEY WILL COME FROM YOU GUESSED THE RESIDENTS OF THE TWP

I FOR ONE CAN NOT IMAGINE NO POLICE HERE IN THE TWP NOTHING WILL BE SAFE. THE PERKINS POLICE HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE THEY POST MANY THINGS ON THERE THAT ARE HAPPNING IN THE TWP THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF TRUST ME ITS SOME SCARY STUFF CHECK IT OUT

I KNOW TIMES ARE TOUGH BUT I FOR ONE BELIEVE IF WE DONT HAVE POLICE PATROLING OUR TWP ITS GOING TO GET ALOT WORSE, THINK ABOUT IT.

Cowboy

WE DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ARE YELLING! THAT WILL NOT CHANGE A THING! WE ARE STILL VOTING NO! SOMEONE NEEDS TO FIND MORE FUNDING BUT IT AIN'T COMING FROM US SISTA! WE ALL HAVE GUNS AND CAN PROTECT OUR OWN! THIS JUST MEANS THAT WE WON'T GET PULLED OVER FOR STUPID CRAP NOW!

Dont Worry Be Happy

IM NOT YELLING JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLES ATTENTION AND IT WORKED JUST WISH IT WAS SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOU THAT WROTE BACK, LOL.

WELL ATLEAST NOW WE SEE WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS WITHE THE POLICE. YOU HAVE BEEN PULLED OVER ETC AND NOW YOU HATE THEM SAME OLE SOB STORY WITH EVERYONE ELSE OUT THERE THATS BEEN PULLED OVER POOR COWBOY, LOL.

YOU CRACK ME UP.

Cowboy

DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH SISTA! I NEVER SAID I HATE THE POPO! YOU NEED TO TAKE SOME MORE REMEDIAL READING LESSONS!

Dont Worry Be Happy

;) lol

whocares

Sounds like football might be leaving to if the levy isn't passed.

puddin95

is this part of the fiscal cliff?

fredinperkins

Sequester.

pavedparadise

I still say there is something in the water local politicians are drinking. Maybe they are drinking directly out of Mills Creek?

Uncommon Sense

Fact: There is no levy that currently funds the police department.
Fact: This would be a new tax in additional to all the current taxes.
Fact: State government cut local government funding way, way back.
Fact: The Erie County Sheriff would be automatically responsible for Perkins Township if the Perkins police department disbands. This doesn't mean they have to hire additional deputies.
Fact: If Perkins Township disbands the police department and wants dedicated law enforcement coverage in the township, the trustees will have to contract with Sandusky PD or the sheriff to provide dedicated personnel.

Opinion: It's good that state government cut the local government funding way, way back. Let local government go get local money in the form of local taxes and fees to run local operations in the way that local people want it run.

Opinion: The state level finances are better off doing it this way and there are discussions to lower the state income tax.

Opinion: Perkins is too big to remain a township. Either incorporate or be annexed into Sandusky. Let the voters decide.

Question for every Perkins voter to answer: Knowing that this will be the first of many levies and tax increases for the police deparment throughout the coming years and all other tax funded entities are going to continue to need more moeny, are you better off with Perkins having its own police department and are you willing to pay more for the perceived benefit?

My answer to that question: No.

Dont Worry Be Happy

Wrong uncommon sense...

Fact...the police dept is funded through the general fund levy which is going to expire at the end of 2013. We the TWP residents are paying on that now.

Fact...government funding started being cut a few years ago and is just now affecting the TWP, that is why the TWP is asking for a few more dollars on top of the levy we are currently paying for.

As far as contracting another dept out for our safety is just ridiculous, we still have to come up with money to pay for that.

We are already paying for the PPD they are just asking for a few more bucks to continue the excellant service they have been providing us for years. I don't get why that's so hard for some of you to get. Crime is on the move every where, criminals find out that we don't have our own PD and with all the businesses we have here guess what this area will no longer be safe for any of us.

I vote yes for prevention of crime and for the safety of our community.

Cowboy

Fact...I'm gonna get me one of those cement ponds with all the money I'm gonna save by voting no!

Fact...I'm gonna get me a new trailer too

Fact...with that there indoor plummin!

Fact...I gotta hit the head!

donutshopguy

Three levies on the ballot for millage. Two for schools and one for police.

What do you chose?

Cowboy

NO, NO and a NO.

Uncommon Sense

@Don't Worry

Do you seriously believe the township will not try to keep the general fund levy? If it were that simple, it wouldn't be going on the ballot as a police levy.

A few more dollars? Seriously!?!?!? How about 900,000 more dollars! Nearly double their current operating budget. What do you suppose they're going to do with all that money? Save it up? How about they're going to waste it.

Disbanding police departments is becoming popular: San Bernadino, CA; Gaston, TX; St. Charles, MN; Newport, PA; Fryeburg, SC; Camden, NJ; Baldwin Park, CA. I actually found an economist's article on how this is becoming a good way to consolidate law enforcement and eliminate duplicate services and waste.

I still vote no. Incorporate, merge with Sandusky, or keep within the simple operational structure of a township. Stop trying to act like a city when you're not one.

Dont Worry Be Happy

The general levy expires at the end of the year, it is being replaced by the police levy, a few more dollars were added because of government funding being cut to keep the same policing we have been receiving for years.

If you would go to the meetings you would understand what is happening. Again the police levy is replacing the general levy.

donutshopguy

???

Dont Worry Be Happy

Read the article. Also if you live in Perkins TWP you should have received all the info on the cost.

donutshopguy

Don't,

Just wanted to see you again say $900,000 is a few more dollars . What so you consider a lot of money?

Uncommon Sense

@ Don't Worry:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you may not thoroughly understand property taxes. The township wants to put this new levy on to fund the police department. But then they won't have the money to fund the general operations of the township. So they're going to put on a "new" township general operating levy at the grand bargain of only a couple mils. A couple of mils is less than 5 mils right? Wrong. The 5 mil levy they're going to let expire likely was based on housing valuations many years ago so its effective milage is probably alot lower. So a replacement levy for only a couple of mils will generate more revenue than the levy they're going to let expire. And of course they're counting on the fact that scare tactics work. "Vote yes or we'll disband the police department (or the fire department or the street department that plows your road)". The really cool thing - from the township's perspective - is that they can probably have a general fund property tax of a couple mils without even going to the voters. I guarantee that if the police levy passes, it will be the first of many tax increases to come in Perkins.

Dont Worry Be Happy

@Uncommon...

While I'm not claiming to know everything about property taxes, I do know this much. The township currently has a 2.7 mil general operating levy, not a 5 mil, that is going to expire at the end of this year. Once that expires, they are seeking to replace it with the proposed 5.5 mil police levy. I also know that this levy that we will vote on in May is what is called "outside millage." We also pay "inside millage" to the township that does not expire and will be there whether or not the police levy passes. That "inside millage" is what will be used to fund the highway department, and administration. The highway also has road and bridge millage that is considered "inside" as well.

So, in summary, the outside 2.7 is expiring and "going away." It is being replaced with the propsed 5.5 that will last for the next 5 years. Most of this was in the flyer I got in the mail Saturday. If you live in the township and have questions, 6pm every 2nd and 4th Tuesday there is a meeting. You can also contact the Board of Elections for all of this as well.

samiam

Sorry, Uncommon, there has been no mention of putting a general fund levy on the ballot. Don't know where you're getting your info but it's not accurate.

Well stated, Don't Worry.

Oh, Uncommon, there's a meeting tomorrow night at 6 pm at the township hall. Will you be there?

donutshopguy

Don't,

Whether it is "inside" or "outside" millage it still is a tax, correct? Whether it is "inside" or "outside" millage it still comes out of taxpayers pockets, correct?

It doesn't matter what you call it.

It's still a tax.

Greengiant

What do you think all these new taxes will do to the cost of spindle bearings?
I'm sure KBI will just pass it on, right? They are doing so well that it won't matter.........

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BW1

"Do you seriously believe the township will not try to keep the general fund levy?"

They CAN'T - it's a fixed term levy - when the term is over, the levy ceases. If you don't even comprehend this basic concept of Ohio tax law, you're not adequately informed to ethically participate in a levy vote.

The last thing anyone in Perkins should want is to contract with Sandusky for police protection - that means you have armed law enforcement, with all the powers that implies, patrolling your community who ultimately answer to officials you can't vote out. That spells zero accountability.

Merging with Sandusky would be just as bad. Sandusky's underclass would use sheer numbers to vote themselves more and more free programs and services at the expense of Perkins' productive tax base. The productive people in Perkins would flee, driving down property values until Sandusky's section 8 slumlords could afford to set up shop. The end game, Perkins becomes Sandusky and Bogart Road, the new Hancock Street.

8ballinthesidepocket

Shutter down!! Bring back Jimmy Dee !!!

EZOB

If the levy fails does it mean our township property on the Ohio 2 By-Pass will no longer be patroled by Perkins? Maybe if everyone would just patroltheir own areas. Sandusky patrol Sandusky--Perkins stay off the state routes and the State Patrol stay on state routes and keep out of all the back alleys.

queenjhb

If you tax renters, not just homeowners it would be easier to digest. most homes are worth more than $100,000. I really need the extra money to survive on. I already turn my waterheater down to vacation after a shower and back up 1 hour before. Gasoline,I shop 1 day a week to save on gas. Taxes have to stop.......Do more w/ less, I am....