Ohio: Vote is crucial - but who are your voters?

Tommie Jo Marsilio is a former union shop steward. She's a single mom. And she's a Mitt Romney voter.
Associated Press
Oct 30, 2012

 

"It's not my job to shatter stereotypes," she says. But she is. Two years ago she became the first Republican elected to the local county commission as part of a Republican wave in an Ohio county that Barack Obama won in 2008.

From the candidates' campaign headquarters in Boston and Chicago, the electorate looks like a series of demographic groups. Voters become bar charts — women and union members for Obama, men and retirees for Romney, all part of the metrics to measure turnout and make educated guesses about outcome. But on the ground in this battleground of battleground states, with early voting well under way, the reality can complicate the science and generalization.

In a race this close, how well Romney and the president target their voters, sway independent ones and get them to the Ohio polls might well determine the outcome of next Tuesday's election. But people often don't match the voter profiles.

Take John Petelin, a 43-year-old skilled tradesman, a white male who voted for a third-party candidate instead of Obama in 2008.

He might be expected to line up behind Romney. But he isn't.

"I'm an autoworker," Petelin said outside the Lorain County Board of Elections building where he had just voted for Obama. "It's been tough out there. And Romney wanted to kill us. I can't go for that."

Or Kris Donofrio, a mother with three children in college. Standing by her car after voting in Lorain, a north-central Ohio city west of Cleveland, she scoffs at Romney's suggestion that kids can borrow for school from their parents.

But her parents, staunch Democrats she said, are voting for Romney. "They're concerned about Medicare," she said. "They think Obamacare is not for them."

Ohio voters like these are steadily making their way into county polling places across the state, casting early ballots that will determine whether Ohio will serve as a Democratic firewall against Romney's advance or a fire pit where the president's candidacy will perish.

Across the country, about 15 million voters already have cast ballots in the presidential contest, according to the United States Elections Project at George Mason University. In Ohio, about a million have submitted absentee ballots or voted in person.

With just a week left before Election Day, Obama holds some clear edges in Ohio, not the least of which is an advantage in the early vote and a robust get-out-the-vote organization. He holds a narrow lead in some public polls in the state, though others show a neck-and-neck race as the campaign tightens in the homestretch.

Obama's political outreach, built on the broad base of support from 2008, is extensive and frequent. The auto industry, boosted by the government bailout, is resurgent.

In an interview with Cincinnati radio station WIZF that aired on Monday, Obama laid out the early vote strategy.

"We really want to bank as many votes as possible," he said. "So the fewer people who haven't voted yet, the better our Election Day operation is going to be."

But Romney, energized and locked in a dead heat nationally with the president, is mounting his own aggressive voter contact effort, partly counting on the inroads Republicans made in the state in 2010 and seeking to capitalize on discontent toward Obama among many independent voters. In county after county, campaign aides say, more Republicans are taking steps to vote early than did in 2008.

In Ohio so far, Democrats have a 31 percent to 24 percent lead among voters who have cast ballots in 50 of the state's 88 counties, according to data collected by The Associated Press. Forty-five percent of early voters in those counties were unaffiliated.

Those numbers have limitations. Party affiliation is based on the last primary in which someone voted, so new voters and those who don't vote in primaries are listed as unaffiliated.

A poll by Time magazine last week had Obama's advantage over Romney among early voters at 60-30 across the state.

And internal Republican polls also show Obama with leads even in Republican-leaning parts of the state, increasing the burden on Romney to do well on Election Day.

"We have seen a slight Democratic advantage in key districts in early and absentee votes," said Wes Anderson, a Republican pollster who has conducted surveys in congressional races in Ohio. "Those who have yet to vote are clearly trending Romney's way. The question is, is this movement toward Romney happening fast enough and big enough to overcome the slight deficit that he now has in early voting."

Romney advisers say they see signs that outside the big, populous counties, Romney could benefit from a wave of conservative voters as President George W. Bush did in 2004.

"Rural counties are really coming home," Romney political director Rich Beeson said. "You see it in early absentee and you see it in the intensity level. That's where we're going to make some ground."

Obama aides say the early turnout in Ohio is higher in counties that voted for him in 2008 than it is in precincts that voted for Republican John McCain that year.

Yet, a number of counties where Obama won four years ago, including Hamilton County in the Cincinnati suburbs, Stark County south of Cleveland and Portage County where Kent State University is located and where Marsilio is a commissioner, voted for Republican Gov. John Kasich and Republican U.S. Sen. Rob Portman in 2010.

Besides Ohio, the eight other battlegrounds where the candidates are spending time and money are Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Virginia and Wisconsin.

So far, Democratic voters casting early ballots outnumber Republicans in Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina and Nevada. Republican voters have the edge in Colorado. No votes will be counted until Nov. 6, but several battleground states report the party affiliation of people who have already cast ballots. Some, like Ohio, have large blocs of unaffiliated voters.

In North Carolina, more than 1.5 million people have cast ballots, 50 percent of them Democrats and 31 percent Republicans. In Iowa, about 471,000 people have already voted — 45 percent Democrats and 32 percent Republicans. About 433,000 voters in Nevada have cast ballots, 45 percent Democrats and 37 percent Republicans.

In Florida, about 1.8 million voters have cast ballots and Democrats have edged in front of Republicans, 42 percent to 41 percent, according to a tally by the AP. Republicans had the early lead among people who voted by mail, but the Obama campaign has made a big push since in-person early voting started Saturday.

About 804,000 voters have cast ballots in Colorado, and Republicans have a slight edge over Democrats, 39 percent to 36 percent.

 

Comments

mikel

vibrators?

the office cat

@ Contango. Structured bankruptcy.
Wonder why the "Son of Detroit" didn't invest some of his billions and jump back into the auto business? Who bought Romney's American Motors? Oh yeah, Chrysler.... American Motors - a merger of Nash and Hudson - was noted for buying, changing then selling specialized areas of the auto industry.

Contango

@ the office cat:

So you've bought a new GM or Chrysler vehicle recently?

How many shares of GM or Fiat do you own?

Darwin's choice

Obama=failure

the office cat

43 Americans killed in United States foreign embassies and consulates ... why isn't @Contango so up in arms about that? Oh. Those were in George W. Bush's administration.

Contango

@ the office cat:

The "cover-up" is the story, not the deaths.

So more than seven weeks later is spontaneous demonstration caused by a video 'still' the "official" WH answer?

the office cat

@Contango. You mean the coverup of those 43 deaths, right?

Because I know you didn't mean the deaths of four Americans was not the the story.

Contango

@ the office cat:

So there was cover-up regarding the diplomatic deaths during the Bush Admin. and the Obama Admin. is carrying on the tradition?

So what's official WH story on Benghazi today? Mr. Obama said that info would be forthcoming as they learned it - what is it?

sanduskysteve

Hmmm - maybe because he has not learned it yet? Maybe because it would be against security and an effort to go after those who committed the crimes?? Think a little. So, the question is still on the table for you - when will there be an uproar by the republicans about the cover-up in the Bush Admim?

Contango

@ sanduskysteve:

Mr. Obama had little problem "outing" the security of the Navy Seal team that got bin Laden.

Heck, the Admin. is even helping with the movie. Probably tick 'em off in the Middle East.

Yea, during the VP debate Joe Biden said that he and the prez were ignorant.

And you want an ignorant guy for President????

The Big Dog's back

2 words, darrel issa.

Darwin's choice

Obama=failure

Darwin's choice

Obama=failure

sanduskysteve

Repeating it won't make it true - even Romney will have to learn that some day.

Darwin's choice

Obama touts the Navy Seals when bin laden is killed, but when the Seals request assistance from Oblama, their denied! You can twist this any way you'd like, point blame back to Abraham Lincoln for other deaths, But, these are on OBAMA ! You can blather on about it, but the FAILURE remains. You can reply when you get back to work tomorrow!

Darwin's choice

Obama=failure

the office cat

Feel the overwhelming re-election spirit sweeping the nation returning the greatest president of the 21st century to another term... Electoral College Karma.

Darwin's choice

Blah, Blah, Blah

Randy_Marsh

10 out of the last 18 post were from cat. Am I smelling panic? 5 days left of this nonsense.

sanduskysteve

LOL that'a funny - when you consider that the rest were "Obama=failure".

anthras

Mitt Romney’s White House bid comes down to business experience – i.e. he has it, the president doesn’t.

To that end, the Romney campaign trotted out a roster of well-known business leaders Thursday who are backing the Republican presidential nominee. Supporters include Charles Schwab, Cisco Chief Executive John Chambers and Bernie Marcus, the co-founder of Home Depot. The newest name on the list belongs to Intel CEO Paul Otellini, a member of President Barack Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

Mr. Otellini’s relationship with the president has been hot-and-cold since Mr. Obama took office. In 2010, he criticized the administration for failing to generate more robust job growth. He was particularly critical of the stimulus. But the Intel CEO joined the president’s so-called jobs council to much fanfare the following year as Mr. Obama embarked on a very public – if short-lived – courtship of big business.

The president lauded Intel for investing in the U.S. during a trip last year to one of the chipmaker’s advanced manufacturing facilities in Oregon. During the visit, Mr. Otellini announced plans to build a $5 billion production facility in Arizona that would employ thousands of workers in the U.S. The Intel chief also made two high-profile trips to the White House, including a state dinner with Chinese President Hu Jintao. But the jobs council has not held an official meeting since January – a fact Republicans like to highlight.

Obama has no business experience !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sanduskysteve

The only thing that Romney's business experience has gotten him is millions in government money to HELP him "fix the Olympics", it has gotten tons and tons of jobs sent to China and literally thousands of people put out of work which resulted in ROMNEY making millions - and Romney apparently learned from business experience how to make up lots of lies. He has failed any test of his math skills and then refuses to "show his work", which I always had to do in math classes. Romney has created lots of jobs in China - and has purchased a lot of his campaign items (ball caps and bobble-head dolls) from China - even a factory in China owned by his brother-in-law.
And just to make sure he will win this election no matter who we vote for by fixing the vote on the voting machines that HE HAS PART OWNERSHIP in. Those very machines in Ohio belong to him.

sanduskysteve

Almost forgot - I did notice that all of those Romney supporters in the list you posted are Million and Billionaires. So, wouldn't it be normal for them to support the man who is going to rid them of tax liabilities and continue to let them make huge profits - pay no taxes - but received millions in tax refunds?? Exxon comes to mind here.

Contango

@ sanduskysteve:

Strangely, the rich are gettin' richer under Pres. Obama.

How can that be if he says that he's workin' to help the middle class?

Hey! Al Gore's now worth an estimated $100M. How'd he do it? He invested in a few of those "green" cos. Mr. Obama gave stimulus money to.

The joke's on the Obamasheeple and sadly they don't see it.

sanduskysteve

I don't have a problem with people getting rich - or staying rich - or getting richer. I have aproblem with them not playing on a level playing field with the rest of us to GET RICH and RICHER. I have rules to follow - they should too. They don't - and it not only is an advantage to them - but a hinderance to the rest of us. I never heard Obama say he was against the rich because they are rich. But I have heard Romney say he was against the poor because they are NOT rich.

Darwin's choice
reese

Looks like history will tell you that the U.S. economy has done worse during the terms of the Presidents with successful business experience and better under Presidents with little or no business experience!

CHECK IT OUT: http://www.washingtonpost.com/op...

VOTE OBAMA!!

reese

The link looks like it is too long...Google Washington Post article: "Can a businessman help the econony? For Presidents the answer has been no."

Contango

the office cat writes:

"...returning the greatest president of the 21st century to another term."

So every president from now until the year 2100 will not measure up to the caliber of Barack Obama? LMAO!!!

Man, It's gonna be one sad century!

sanduskysteve

History, my dear friend - learn it. The 21st century goes from 2000 to 2099.

Contango

Huh. It looks like even ABC is starting to wonder about the Benghazi "terrorist attack."

"The Benghazi Drip-Drip-Drip":

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli...

Hopefully, Mr. Obama can keep it covered up until Tues. - that's all that's important to the Campaigner-in-Chief.

reese

I read the same article earlier this evening. My favorite part was:
"Without question in this hyper-partisan environment, Republicans operatives are fanning flames and creating suspicions where there’s no evidence of wrongdoing, trafficking in false rumors and idle speculation."

Randy_Marsh

Unlike the paid bloggers from the whitehouse who are completely devoted to creeping around sites fanning the flames of the liberals huh? Only difference is Obama pays his lackeys.

reese

I guess this is your opinion Randy, and you, for what ever reason, are entitled to it.

Randy_Marsh

Not really a opinion at all, More of a fact. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

reese

Partial fact, partial opinion inserted (yours: "fanning the flames of liberals").

Randy_Marsh

reese
Have you ever encountered one? I have they are rabid as they come. Its neat watching them work though, They can drum up the rhetoric to record heights. When i say "Fanning the flames" they get paid to do it and thats exactly what they get good at.

shucks

@ marsh
Hey! Check this out, you like this site,right?

Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP (UPDATE)

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/0...

Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
The GOA and the CBO have already covered it and seeing is the CRS is a inside agency and their reports are not to be released to the public why would anyone pressure them to do anything, The congressmen refuse to even read the bills before signing them?

shucks

Marsh

Nice smoke, but isn't this the point :"...lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation."?

Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
So does raising the marginal tax rate create economic growth or push it overseas as we have seen in the last decade? The rich are rich because they can wiggle around the tax laws and can move their businesses overseas where it is more viable to have a company with profits and the burden will be left to you and me. The government cannot create jobs, They can only make the enviorment good or bad for companys to move here.

sanduskysteve

Oh but Romney claims HIS government will create jobs - tons of them.

shucks

And Romney pays his with IOU's ?
That's the Republican Way.

Contango

@ reese:

"Rumors"? What do you expect?

So other than "spontaneous demonstration" and "video," what has the WH told the American people?

Darwin's choice

Sign on my neighbors front door yesterday..."PARENTS, anyone with an Obama costume on will have to turn all candy collected over to be re-distributed to others who aren't trick or treating for themselves".......his windows were soaped so bad you couldn't see out of them.............even children know!!!!

2cents's picture
2cents

And when Obo looses they will riot like they said they would too? True Americains, not!

Children know what their parents tell them to know, and or what they see day to day in their parents actions.

Just saying!

KURTje

Coasterfan - national champ. ontango - defeated.

Darwin's choice

I hear that Obama has gotten a truckload of Thank You cards from President Carter......!

shucks

@ Contango,

I love listening to your broken record collection.

They must be all warped by the way they skip, slide, and get stuck.

Darwin's choice

4shizzle.....about broken records....have a listen......http://thehayride.com/2012/09/ma...

shucks

darwin

I know it's very foreign to you, but it's called : consistency, a plan, a steady course of action, realism, honesty --- all the things that your flip-flopping,shape-shifting boy Romney, DOESN'T have.

Darwin's choice

So, consistantly down the drain, a steady leak, socialism, dishonesty.....something Obama has plenty of...

shucks

I like your broken records too.
They are so amusing.

mikel

it is interesting that one of prezo's big supporters, ellen degeneres(sp) did something very odd. in a nice gesture she recently gave a member of the military a new automobile to replace his clunker. the auto: a hyundai!!!! lmao!! not a gm or chrysler.

shucks

.

Darwin's choice

4shizzle.....for you.....http://youtu.be/gsa4uLmTw0M

Darwin's choice

Pay attention to the above video.....it's not a record(lp) for you to listen to, and it's certianly not a record for anyone (especialy Obama) to have...but it's his!

shucks

Did you hear about how Romney screwed Delphi and the American taxpayers ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

Darwin's choice

You really want to talk about screwing the American taxpayers? Obama...16 trillion.....end of all BS talks.......

shucks

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Darwin's choice

Face reality foolish one.

Darwin's choice

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shucks

darwin

Do you really think that I'm going to believe a cut and spliced Republican propaganda video ?

Bush said : Mission acomplished and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
Cheney said the US would be reimbursed with oil.

I don't believe Obama was lying, like your boys were.

Darwin's choice

What you chose to believe is on you! Next wed. when all the BS is done and Mitt Romney has won, America will start to get back on track from the dismal downward spiral of Obama.....And, Jimmy Carter is still sending Thank You cards to Obama for moving him off the list of presidential failures!

KURTje

Obama will win. The race will be close. Then we will hear of voting fraud & more.........

sanduskysteve

Funny though, the only ones who have been caught committing voter fraud so far as the republicans!

Contango

Enjoyed this part of Mayor Bloomberg's "endorsement" of Pres. Obama:

"In 2008, Obama ran as a pragmatic problem-solver and consensus-builder. But as president, he devoted little time and effort to developing and sustaining a coalition of centrists, which doomed hope for any real progress on illegal guns, immigration, tax reform, job creation and deficit reduction. And rather than uniting the country around a message of shared sacrifice, he engaged in partisan attacks and has embraced a divisive populist agenda focused more on redistributing income than creating it. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

------------------------------------

Isn't it good to know that all you Obama loyalists will get to help pay for those rich one percenters' homes on the beach that were destroyed?

They get a new home, a nice ocean view and you get the bill. The socialist joke is on you.

☭ FORWARD SOVIET! ☭

shucks

Vote Romney!!!

The 1% for the 1%ers !!!

Let's get the story straight:

Isn't it good to know that all you Romney loyalists/dumb Repubs will get to help pay for those rich one percenters' homes on the beach that were destroyed?

They get a new home, a nice ocean view and you get the bill. The elitist joke is on you.

Darwin's choice

194,000
194,000 thats the net job creation since Feb 2009

Rick Santelli CNBC added the monthly job numbers including revisions since obama's first month. The net job growth under Obama is 194,000.

This includes McDonalds 100,000 overnight hamburger flippers and 45,000 striking Verizon workers returning to work, to name a few notable statistics.

4 more years, hell Burger king and taco bell might go 24/7...... 150,000 more minimum wage jobs.

shucks

@ contango

I think Sandusky High offers remedial reading courses.

Read the last sentence of the last paragraph of that link you sent.

I enjoyed this part of Mayor Bloomberg's "endorsement" of Pres. Obama too:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

"And that’s why I (Bloomberg) will be voting for him (Obama)."

sanduskysteve

Redistributing wealth has always been the republican backbone of their stance - isn't it? Take from the poor and middle class and give to the rich?? Leveling the playing field is NOT redistributing wealth, it's making the game fair.

Darwin's choice

Timing is everything
It took Barak ,7 days to visit Joplin Mo. after a tornado hit half the town and killed 120 people. It took Barak 14 days to visit the gulf area after the BP spill.
Barak declined to visit Tenn. after the "1000year" floods in 2010.
Barak ignored the west Texas wildfires that leveled over 400 homes.
And ,of course, Barak ignored the calls for help from Bengazi.
But it took Barak only one day to visit the east coast after "Sandy" ...
But then again there is an election next week.

mikel

uuuuuuuttttttttt ooooooohhhhhh. still bush's fault?

"The unemployment rate ticked up to 7.9%."

Contango

@ mikel:

Thanks for the heads up. I forgot about the jobs report comin' out this morning.

Quite a "mixed bag."

I found these two items of interest:

"But unemployment for blacks showed the highest increase in the survey, surging to 14.3 percent from 13.4 percent.

Also, the average duration of unemployment climbed to a 2012 high of 40.2 weeks."

Mr. Bernanke is obviously doin' his best with massive money printing and low interest rates, but monetary policy alone won't carry the economic ball past the goal line.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49657529

Maybe a re-elected Pres. Obama can push for trillions more in massive govt. borrowing and with the magic of Obamanomics, the U.S. can do what has never been done in the history of the world:

Spend our way to prosperity.

FORWARD SOVIET!

shucks

@ contango

Did you hear about how Romney screwed Delphi and the American taxpayers ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

mikel

did you hear how prezo screwed all salary employees at gm and chrysler?

shucks

Hey contango, did you see this?

Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP (UPDATE)

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/0...

Darwin's choice

194,000
194,000 thats the net job creation since Feb 2009

Rick Santelli CNBC added the monthly job numbers including revisions since obama's first month. The net job growth under Obama is 194,000.

This includes McDonalds 100,000 overnight hamburger flippers and 45,000 striking Verizon workers returning to work, to name a few notable statistics.

4 more years, hell Burger king and taco bell might go 24/7...... 150,000 more minimum wage jobs.

shucks

@ darwins choice

Did you hear about how Romney screwed Delphi and the American taxpayers ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

mikel

did you hear how prezo screwed all salary employees at gm and chrysler?

eriemom

Funny how President Obama is getting blamed for the liquidation of the salary pension right into Romney's pocket.

shucks

Hey darwin! Check this out

Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP (UPDATE)

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/0...

Darwin's choice

Obamabot blah,blah,blah,........Obama=failure

shucks

Can't handle it can you, Mr. Romboto?

Darwin's choice

Really 4shissle, this child crap??? Are you in the third or fourth grade now?

shucks

No. Are you?

eriemom

More of the same. Republicans trying to make facts go away. This isn't a Huffington Post fact. This is from the Congressional Research Service. As in working for all of us to research topics for the legislative branch of government.

Contango

@ 4shizzle:

The Huffington Post; that's your news source?

After AOL bought 'em, they cut writers salaries and all the good ones left.

Garbage reporting.

sanduskysteve

And AOL is owned by Turner? Another rich guy who is all for cutting wages and jobs.

Randy_Marsh

AOL and time warner merged in 2000 i think.

sanduskysteve

Does it really matter WHEN they merged??? Come on.

shucks

@contango

Sticking your head in your sand again?

That's it, don't address it--even though you demand others to answer your questions.
Ignore it, talk about something else.
Is it Romneysia?

Darwin's choice

Speaking of sticking your head someplace..........http://youtu.be/gsa4uLmTw0M

shucks

@ darwin
You think that Hannity,Mark Levin,and Rush are critical thinkers?
Boy, that tells a LOT about you--you admire hateful and twisted men.

http://youtu.be/wt9AcJmsvFk

When you cruise around downtown Sandusky, stick your head out the window and yell: "I'm Romney's chump!" about a thousand times.

The elitist joke is on you.

eriemom

The Congressional Research center.

Randy_Marsh

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/... Dimocrat of the year!!!

Darwin's choice

Huh ! Kinda like the Nobel Prize awarding group!

The Big Dog's back

The right has nothing, nothing.

Darwin's choice
Darwin's choice

And Obama has his record of FAILURE ! "snip, snip," Big Dog!

Randy_Marsh

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
After 8 weeks they admit the CIA was involved! Like anyone with a brain didnt know that 2 weeks after the fact. With reporting that good they should get around to reporting the winner of WW2 by next month.HA!

shucks

@ randy_marsh

Contango thinks one of your favorite news sites(Huffington Post) is garbage reporting?

What do you think of that?

Randy_Marsh

4Shizzle
After 7 weeks they just reported TODAY that the CIA was involved, After 7 weeks its not news. Its not one of my favorites but i like to understand why those on the left think the way they do. Its like published mass hysteria there, Funny to watch yet depressing to know there are people like that out there.

shucks

@randy marsh
I used to watch Fox News just to get an idea of how the right thinks.
Unlike you, I find it horrifying and sickening to know that there are people like that out there.

Randy_Marsh

4Shizzle
Like what exactly? Those who want to behead rich people, Hate fellow citizens so bad they wish they were beaten, Tells people to vote early and often, Wishes others to die because the disagree,Want to riot if the lose and scream about their love of democracy? Oh my bad you love that stuff, What exactly horrifys and sickens you, That some have the ability to count and can see where we are heading or that some still believe in individual rights and the government should not have as much power as it does? Please fill the rest of us in because those on the left are some of the rudest most inhospitable people i have ever had the misfortune of meeting.

shucks

marsh
Funny, that's how I view the Republicans(Rush Limbaugh,Shawn Hannity etc.)
I told how I came to my conclusions in an earlier post.
Do you want to hear it again?

Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
A suggestion for you then, Get away from US media. RT,Bloomberg,BBC ect. They do not have a agenda to push. Those of us who want the real storys often look outside the media circus.

shucks

marsh
Then, give me names of who to watch.

Randy_Marsh

4Shizzle
RT, BBC, Bloomberg, Al jeezera is decent if you watch the euro version, Businessweek, Forbes, Reuters if it comes straight from the source ect, ect. All American media is comprimised to support a agenda. The over seas news have no reason to lie against what we are doing. Think about it would you rather watch a media that is foriegn or one that is owned by GE who's owner is sitting in the white house and hides the truth?

shucks

marsh
I'd like to ask you a personal question.
Do you make $250 g's or more? Because this election appears to be only about the rich protecting their precious money and trying to get more.

Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
The answer is no.
With Obama bailing out the banks at 85 billion a month who is protecting who? My and your taxes are going up jan 1st, Cannot blame bush. Do you think Obama cares as he sends his family overseas on a vacation or goes to Vegas for another private concert by Jay-Z or any number of guest? Have fun trying to pin it on the rebublicans when the Democrats had 2 years they could pass anything and didnt do a thing except raise taxes on the middle class with "Obamacare" (Have fun with the new tax sheet)

sanduskysteve

Let me give you an example of those on the right - if you are really truly rapped you can't get pregnant - if your child is unruly and won't obey you, the state should put him/her to death - all females who use contraceptives are sluts and whores - if your boy even begins to act gay you should beat it out of him - gays and lesbians should be put to death - just a few examples of the republican beliefs - oh yeah, woman should not expect to get equal pay for equal work. And then you have the Romney religious beliefs from the past that we need to go back to black slavery and it's ok to have more than one wife (still practiced in some sects of the religion). Everything they stand for is pushing women down. And that's only a small exerpt of the stupid beliefs of the republican party.

Randy_Marsh

Steve
Really? Those on the right do not want a theocracy, They want the government to get out of their business and not spoon feed them everything cradle to grave. They also want the original meaning of the constitution restored to where people are apprecieated for being individuals instead of a faceless mass and have enough personal responsibility to accept their mistakes and become a better citizen. NOT a bunch of sheep that do not have to account for anything they do because they can blame others.

sanduskysteve

Are you seriously going to try to tell me that those things are NOT true??? The republicans have nothing better to do anymore than attempt to attack womens rights at every turn. Although recently they have been more into lie after lie after lie about everything else. You may be right that this week, republicans have not talked much about pushing women down and taking away their rights. Romney still argues that he will reverse roe-vs-wade and then outlaw abortion - it's on his website! He still is insistent that Jeep is moving everything to China - even though it is not true and everyone has told him that over and over again. He still insists that there is no climate change (the last couple of years should have shown him that time and time again. It just doesn't make sense to vote for a group that has no concept of real life and living in the middle of middle class average america. I know it's hard to imagine how everyone else lives when you have never had to work a day in your life and everything was given to you. And collecting unwanted food for the red cross is NOT work.

mikel

dude, get back on your meds!

Darwin's choice

From the Plain Dealer tonight...."4 men arrested in Perrysburg for stealing Romney signs while driving sheet metal union truck "
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

mikel

thats freakin funny as he!!

mikel

here you go!!!!

"Perrysburg police today issued misdemeanor citations to four men for allegedly being in possession of stolen political signs.

Those charged with receiving stolen property included John Russell, 39, of Toledo, and Chris Monaghan 41, of Rossford, who are both listed on the Sheet Metal Workers Local 33 Web site as business agents for the union’s Toledo district.

The men were in a pickup truck registered to Local 33 in Parma, Ohio, police said.

Also cited were Corey J. Beaubien, 37, and Sean Bresler, 33, both of Toledo"

bahahahhahahahhahahaa!! it's scary to think that these guys were probably the brains behind it all!!

KURTje

A man of stature still endorses Obama. Please don't degrade Colin Powell. He was never AWOL or a chicken-hawk.

shucks

well said

styx

We are 9 MILLION jobs short of what Obama promised us in 2008. We have 21 million still unemployed. And many of the people who are now "employed" have only PART-TIME jobs. Obama does NOT deliver. He's a modern-day charlatan... please do not vote him in again. Your kids don't deserve Obama's failures.

styx

Obama got his fake photo-opportunity with Gov. Chris Christie in the hurricane aftermath, where Obama pretended to care about the victims. Then Obama got on his private jet and went to party with JayZ the pop-star in Vegas. How's that for a "president who cares"? Fire Obama! We need a president who is not a fraud.

sanduskysteve

So, what would you like Obama to do? He showed up and checked out the situation so he would know what needs to be done next. At least he didn't put on a fake show like romney did in Ohio at the red cross where he actually created MORE work for the red cross volunteers at a time when they really didn't need more work to do. He tried ot make it look good by purchasing a bunch of stuff to have people bring to donate. The killer part is that most of the stuff he collected nad donated is going to NJ instead of Ohio.

Contango

@ sanduskysteve:

Watching Pres. Obama and Gov. Romney in response to Sandy's aftermath reminds me of a quote by David Lee Roth at the MTV Music Awards show some yrs. ago:

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's how good you looked."

And Mr. "Empty Shirt" Obama and Mr. "Frat Boy" Romney just want to look good!

styx

When Obama took office, there were 7.8 million Americans unemployed. 4 years later, the new numbers were released: there are now 7.9 million Americans unemployed. Obama made ZERO progress in 4 years. For all his promises and campaign rhetoric, he made ZERO PROGRESS IN 4 YEARS. What a waste! He clearly is in over his head. Is that what you want for your kids... no improvement, ever?

eriemom

@ Styx
Obama likely saved your pension.

Contango

eriemom writes:

"Obama likely saved your pension."

How so? Does Mr. Obama have some magical presidential powers?

sanduskysteve

Apparently so - this is the second hurricane that the republicans have blame on him and said he created. He is not a magician - he must be God.

Contango

@ sanduskysteve:

Didn't Mayor Bloomberg blame climate change? If so, Sandy's gotta be the Repubs fault right?

Now all Detroit has to do is figure out a way to create a hurricane - billions of borrowed dollars to the rescue!!!!

The Big Dog's back

No, mittwit is the one with the magical underwear.

shucks

Snap that magic underwear.

shucks

styx=troll

mikel

oh that can't be! (sarcasism) don't you watch his political lies on tv that says he created all of those jobs?? wish he would then state that there has been more that were lost....nah, never.

eriemom

Romney is going to PA, so really desperate, and Ryan is looking for a new job.
Obama +300 electoral votes

Kimo

FBI arrested Las Vegas woman that tried to vote twice.
GOP romney supporter.
We know where the "voter fraud"................

Contango

@ Kimo:

And you know positively for whom and/or on what she voted how?

Pres. Obama had to show a photo ID in order to vote. So much for Democrat squawking over "minority voter disenfranchisement."

eriemom

Watch as people line up to vote for hours. How is that good for any of us? We shoud be having adult conversations about how to make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen in American, not looking for ways to make it worse.

Contango

@ eriemom:

I cast my ballots by proxy for my investment shares over the Internet. No problem.

Just wait until we get Internet voting for political elections - should be fun.

BTW: Keep an eye on the CA ballot measure to raise income taxes on the rich. They have one of the highest state and local tax rates in the country and people have been voting with their feet.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

Contango

So word is leaking out that Benghazi was a CIA operation.

Could that be one of the reasons that Joe Biden said at the VP debate that:
“we weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again,”

So ignorance, a video and spontaneous demonstration remain the "official" WH position on the Benghazi "terrorist attack" after more than seven weeks?

Who's running this govt.; the CIA or the Sock Puppet-in-Chief?

Contango

@ Darwin's choice:

Many of the events surrounding The Watergate break-in were known prior to the election of '72. (I voted for McGovern.)

The severe political damage that followed came not so much the bungled and stupid act itself as it was the WH cover-up.

IMO, we could very well be witnessing a repeat of events of a politcal nature leading up to the possible impeachment of Pres. Obama.

Benghazi could be Mr. Obama's Watergate.

Mr. Obama may win the election battle and end up losing the political war.

Darwin's choice

We can only hope this is B Hussein Obama's downfall!
http://townhall.com/video/bill-o...

styx

Kudos to Romney for encouraging people to vote out of love for America, rather than out of revenge like Obama suggested they do.

It's our right and our responsibility to vote out people who have the lack of integrity that Obama has displayed. His cover-up regarding the terrorist attack at Benghazi is shameful. CBS News finally broke the story about Obama covering it up so he could use the spin "I ended terrorism" during his 2012 campaign. How disgusting.

Obama is more concerned about how he looks while campaigning than keeping our American ambassadors alive. Well, nice, Obama... 4 dead now. How many more will die while you're trying to spin other campaign tactics?

Darwin's choice

Someone please post the same list as this for Obama, if you can......
http://redpillreport.net/2012/11...

styx

For Obama, winning re-election depends on people forgetting that 4 years ago he actually promised us only 5.9% unemployment by 2012.

For Obama, winning re-election depends on the successful cover-up of how he mishandled the terrorist build-up and eventual attack in Benghazi.

For Obama, winning re-election depends on spinning the October job report rather than admit that unemployment actually increased during his 4 years.

For Obama, winning re-election depends on scaring women into thinking abortion rights will be taken away unless he himself is elected.

For Obama, winning re-election depends on tricking Ohio into thinking the government-subsidized "auto recovery" justifies the $16 trillion debt he saddled on America. And tricking Ohio into thinking the auto industry recovered, when it actually is being only temporarily propped up by government funding that will eventually be snatched away when China demands it. And hiding Jeep's intentions to ramp production in Italy/China, which WILL eventually cause a Jeep downsizing in Ohio.

For Obama, winning re-election depends on hiding the fact that the 32 coal-producing counties in Ohio will suffer under Obama's expensive and unproductive 'green initiatives'.

sanduskysteve

styx - speaking of debt - let's take another look at the difference between debt and deficit. I'm sure most of you republican math experts don't really understand this difference at all.

With the economy the way it is - it would be extremely difficult to erase the debt and in most cases it never gets completely removed at all anyway.

Debt is the accumulation of deficit. Deficit is only calculated by the year. In actual figures - the deficit has not grown by very much at all over the past 4 year periods. The issue is that the trillion dollar deficit from when Obama took office has only gone up this year by 40%. That's about 10% per year. No one complained about Bush's deficits of a trillion dollars. Each of those years of deficit added to the debt. Even if there is a surplus, the debt is not effected by very much at all.

Another point to be made here is that the budget office has confirmed that Romney's removal of the Healthcare Act will actually increase the budget by 500 billion dollars - not saving a single dime. That will increase the deficit for that year by a half a trillion dollars. Is this going to help? Increasing the taxes on the rich - even a little - will help the deficit simply by increasing revenue. Much more than increasing taxes on the poor and middle class while giving tax breaks to the rich. Those breaks will create a higher amount of deficit than the smaller amount of the increase in revenue created by increasing taxes on the lower incomes of the middle class - unless there is an attempt to increase the middle class tax rate by a larger amount still.

Here is a link that explains the difference between debt and deficit a little more:

http://www.davemanuel.com/invest...

shucks
Contango

@ 4shizzle:

So after almost eight weeks, what's the "official" story from the WH today on the Benghazi terrorist attack?

Are they still sticking with the "video caused a spontaneous demonstration" nonsense?

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Remember: Change your clocks on Sun. and your President on Tues.

The Big Dog's back

Non issue winnie.

Contango

@ brutus:

Obviously, since admitting that there was a "terrorist attack" by militants isn't "optimal" for the Campaigner-in-Chief while he's working soooo hard at getting re-elected.

Remember: bin Laden is dead. A Benghazi "terrorist attack" doesn't fit with his political story line for the sheeple.

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