Ohio: Vote is crucial - but who are your voters?

Tommie Jo Marsilio is a former union shop steward. She's a single mom. And she's a Mitt Romney voter.
Associated Press
Oct 30, 2012

 

"It's not my job to shatter stereotypes," she says. But she is. Two years ago she became the first Republican elected to the local county commission as part of a Republican wave in an Ohio county that Barack Obama won in 2008.

From the candidates' campaign headquarters in Boston and Chicago, the electorate looks like a series of demographic groups. Voters become bar charts — women and union members for Obama, men and retirees for Romney, all part of the metrics to measure turnout and make educated guesses about outcome. But on the ground in this battleground of battleground states, with early voting well under way, the reality can complicate the science and generalization.

In a race this close, how well Romney and the president target their voters, sway independent ones and get them to the Ohio polls might well determine the outcome of next Tuesday's election. But people often don't match the voter profiles.

Take John Petelin, a 43-year-old skilled tradesman, a white male who voted for a third-party candidate instead of Obama in 2008.

He might be expected to line up behind Romney. But he isn't.

"I'm an autoworker," Petelin said outside the Lorain County Board of Elections building where he had just voted for Obama. "It's been tough out there. And Romney wanted to kill us. I can't go for that."

Or Kris Donofrio, a mother with three children in college. Standing by her car after voting in Lorain, a north-central Ohio city west of Cleveland, she scoffs at Romney's suggestion that kids can borrow for school from their parents.

But her parents, staunch Democrats she said, are voting for Romney. "They're concerned about Medicare," she said. "They think Obamacare is not for them."

Ohio voters like these are steadily making their way into county polling places across the state, casting early ballots that will determine whether Ohio will serve as a Democratic firewall against Romney's advance or a fire pit where the president's candidacy will perish.

Across the country, about 15 million voters already have cast ballots in the presidential contest, according to the United States Elections Project at George Mason University. In Ohio, about a million have submitted absentee ballots or voted in person.

With just a week left before Election Day, Obama holds some clear edges in Ohio, not the least of which is an advantage in the early vote and a robust get-out-the-vote organization. He holds a narrow lead in some public polls in the state, though others show a neck-and-neck race as the campaign tightens in the homestretch.

Obama's political outreach, built on the broad base of support from 2008, is extensive and frequent. The auto industry, boosted by the government bailout, is resurgent.

In an interview with Cincinnati radio station WIZF that aired on Monday, Obama laid out the early vote strategy.

"We really want to bank as many votes as possible," he said. "So the fewer people who haven't voted yet, the better our Election Day operation is going to be."

But Romney, energized and locked in a dead heat nationally with the president, is mounting his own aggressive voter contact effort, partly counting on the inroads Republicans made in the state in 2010 and seeking to capitalize on discontent toward Obama among many independent voters. In county after county, campaign aides say, more Republicans are taking steps to vote early than did in 2008.

In Ohio so far, Democrats have a 31 percent to 24 percent lead among voters who have cast ballots in 50 of the state's 88 counties, according to data collected by The Associated Press. Forty-five percent of early voters in those counties were unaffiliated.

Those numbers have limitations. Party affiliation is based on the last primary in which someone voted, so new voters and those who don't vote in primaries are listed as unaffiliated.

A poll by Time magazine last week had Obama's advantage over Romney among early voters at 60-30 across the state.

And internal Republican polls also show Obama with leads even in Republican-leaning parts of the state, increasing the burden on Romney to do well on Election Day.

"We have seen a slight Democratic advantage in key districts in early and absentee votes," said Wes Anderson, a Republican pollster who has conducted surveys in congressional races in Ohio. "Those who have yet to vote are clearly trending Romney's way. The question is, is this movement toward Romney happening fast enough and big enough to overcome the slight deficit that he now has in early voting."

Romney advisers say they see signs that outside the big, populous counties, Romney could benefit from a wave of conservative voters as President George W. Bush did in 2004.

"Rural counties are really coming home," Romney political director Rich Beeson said. "You see it in early absentee and you see it in the intensity level. That's where we're going to make some ground."

Obama aides say the early turnout in Ohio is higher in counties that voted for him in 2008 than it is in precincts that voted for Republican John McCain that year.

Yet, a number of counties where Obama won four years ago, including Hamilton County in the Cincinnati suburbs, Stark County south of Cleveland and Portage County where Kent State University is located and where Marsilio is a commissioner, voted for Republican Gov. John Kasich and Republican U.S. Sen. Rob Portman in 2010.

Besides Ohio, the eight other battlegrounds where the candidates are spending time and money are Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Virginia and Wisconsin.

So far, Democratic voters casting early ballots outnumber Republicans in Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina and Nevada. Republican voters have the edge in Colorado. No votes will be counted until Nov. 6, but several battleground states report the party affiliation of people who have already cast ballots. Some, like Ohio, have large blocs of unaffiliated voters.

In North Carolina, more than 1.5 million people have cast ballots, 50 percent of them Democrats and 31 percent Republicans. In Iowa, about 471,000 people have already voted — 45 percent Democrats and 32 percent Republicans. About 433,000 voters in Nevada have cast ballots, 45 percent Democrats and 37 percent Republicans.

In Florida, about 1.8 million voters have cast ballots and Democrats have edged in front of Republicans, 42 percent to 41 percent, according to a tally by the AP. Republicans had the early lead among people who voted by mail, but the Obama campaign has made a big push since in-person early voting started Saturday.

About 804,000 voters have cast ballots in Colorado, and Republicans have a slight edge over Democrats, 39 percent to 36 percent.

 

Comments

sanduskysteve

No answer? Change subject - I think the subject at this point was Jeep moving everything to China. But that's ok - I understand teh etch-a-sketch mentality - been watching it for a year now.

OMG.LOL.WT_

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adam...

Want a Better Economy? History Says Vote Democrat!

Randy_Marsh

Want to keep your civil rights? History says vote for anyone but democrats. (Along with any other rights)
http://stolenhistory.org/viral/

The Big Dog's back

What civil rights have been taken away?

Randy_Marsh

http://www.aclu.org/national-sec... If they drone kill you that is taking away ALL of your rights. Indefinate incarceration with no trial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9... Even MSNBC doesnt think its a good idea. Any more questions Dog?

The Big Dog's back

marshy, where were the drone attacks in the US? I must have missed them.

Randy_Marsh

Nah they are just killing kids overseas. Bet you are proud.

sanduskysteve

that is yet another bit of propagation spread by the republicans. The law actually says that it does not override existing laws for US citizens. Come on you can do better than this - can't you? How many has actually read the complete law you are bashing left and right?

the office cat

When was the Civil Rights Act passed? Ah 1964 and signed by who? Ah Democrat Lyndon Johnson.
Woman suffrage passed when? 1919. President? Democrat Woodrow Wilson.
32 state laws against abortion/reproductive rights passed when? 2011-2012 by whom? Republicans in numerous states.

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_:

And this from someone who would like to see Wall St. destroyed. LOL.

Correlation, not causality.

The economy is far more dependent upon Fed monetary policy.

The Big Dog's back

orangatango, I want to know right now why Hurricane Sandy struck the US.

Contango

@ brutus:

Wait for Pres. Obama's press conference, he'll be 'more than happy' to tell ya all about it.

Probably have a few personal interest stories to share with ya too.

KnuckleDragger

Naw, he'll just blame it on Bush, just like Katrina.

Randy_Marsh

Watch the weather channel and get a clue.

The Big Dog's back

mittwit robme and the Repubs denial of global warming caused this.

shucks

Yes contango-- please tell us.
Why did Hurricane Sandy strike the US?
It's Obama's fault isn't it?
Is the WH covering that up too?
I'll be waiting for the offical report.

Kimo

@Knuck

u spent 21 years? on the taxpayers dime, you get a retirement check on the tax payers dime. You spend way too much time pissingintheshoes of 50% of the people that pay taxes to support u.......

KnuckleDragger

Sorry pops, I still pay taxes. I see you are still making idiotic comments. Because we know retired enlisted get a large enough retirement check to support them. Most of my retirement comes from investments I made while in the military and the money I invested through FERS which by the way costs you nothing since the government does not contribute to military members FERS accounts. By the way, the only shoes I'm pissing in are the people collecting a gov't check who have never worked a day in their life to earn it. I don't recall ever saying anything about getting rid of SS or Medicare, only that reforms need to be made to make it solvent. You may not like Romneys plan but at least he has one versus Obama's, which is to continue kicking the can down the road until it goes over the cliff.

Contango

@ Kimo:

Why? Like he didn't work for it like a pension with retirement benefits?

You're wealthy compared to most, why don't you donate your SS check to charity?

There is no trust fund for your Medicare and SS; that's funded by people who are working now.

The "trust funds" are just accounting gimmicks.

Kimo

You want the people in OH to trust romney....
They trusted kasich and look where that got them.....

Randy_Marsh

A lower unemployment rate? http://www.bizjournals.com/colum...

Contango

@ RM:

Zingo! :)

Dontcha love it how the libs want to have it both ways and down the middle?

OMG.LOL.WT_

"And this from someone who would like to see Wall St. destroyed. LOL."

To whom are you referring, Contango? Are you grasping at straws?

I never advocated such a thing.

goofus

Nice try at DNC spin Office BotCat. Obozo never stopped any war. The status of forces agreement signed by Bush and MalWicki (SP)? years before called for the pullout date. Google it bot!

mikel

great reading!! see what is on the horizon for ohioians and their health insurance premiums. catastrophic rate increases in store if obamacare is not repealed. i know that most democraps won't be able to decipher this but go ahead and give it a try.

http://www.ohioexchange.ohio.gov...

The Big Dog's back

I'm not sure why you keep posting Conservative site things.

mikel

vs left winged site things?

Randy_Marsh

Dog
The link is to Ohio.gov. You look to the government as your god why wouldnt you trust it unless you would instead believe what MSNBC, Huffington and a community organizer tells you to think when it doesnt agree with your reality? If you are a example of Obama supporter you need to scream somthing about free phones now and then on a street corner so you are easier to spot and we can all avoid you.

sanduskysteve

I'll give you that the link is on the Ohio gov website - but the report is certainly NOT done by Ohio gov. Now, from what I read in the report - the insurance premiums will not increase as much as they have been recently - also it appears that the state of Ohio will be making a profit from the exchanges and Ohio residents who participate will be insured instead of others paying for their healthcare in the the ERs. Seems like a win win to me. Also, just in case it is still on the republican agenda to scare people - you DO NOT HAVE TO PARTICIPATE in the exchanges - you can keep what you have. And I noticed the chart showing that employer group benefit thru the exchange will actually only increase the current costs to those employers by about 1% - NOT this horrific nonsense that has been spread around. In fact, it would seem to me, than any employer who cancels their employee benefit healthcare is really not thinking very much - they can still use that cost as a tax deduction. I thought republicans loved tax deductions (for themselves) and that would make this cost neutral to employers. If they are going to lay off people - fire people - and stop covering them - then the employers are doing it for no other reason than to punish their employees for voting for Obama becasue the ACA does not effect their bottom line one bit. Unless they opt to stay with a current insurer. they don't have to - they can use the exchange and have no change in costs and still provide insurance to their employees. It's not Obama's fault if the employer you work for is a stupid republican.

Darwin's choice
John Harville

@Mikel... and yet John and Mary months ago began the preparations for Ohio's exchange.

John Harville

@Mikel. Impressive! That you actually read ALL 159 pages before calling it 'great reading'.
And you were able to 'boil down' 159 pages of tables and explanations and discussions of ONE RFP and come up with "catastrophic rate increases' with which to scare people and namecall the democraps.
Tell us please: what IS and RFP and if there were others.
Were you going to tell us this dates from August when our Director of Insurance and her boss decided Ohio should be ready 'just in case' Rmoney doesn't have a Day One to repeal Obamacares?

EZOB

I have refrained from commenting for quite some time. I still read the posts and have come to the conclusion of why we have fallen so far behind other countries concerning our education level. Spending billions on education is going to do very little making half this country any smarter. A lot of people could have their hand in front of their faces and if they were told top count their toes they'd believe they were really toes. These people have the (Ability or lack there of) to completely forget what they were told. You can debate either candidate and be narrow minded about your choice but there was no question, I was very happy not to have four more years of Bush, I thought. Careful what you wish for. I have become more "Predjudiced" not by the color of ones skin as I have always had a strong dislike for a Nazi, Rapist, Communist, Pedophile, and now you can certainly add Muslims to the list.

shucks

@ ezob
"These people have the (Ability or lack there of) to completely forget what they were told."

This is my observation-- they(not all) don't want to remember.They don't really want truth or to be fair and balanced, if they did, the game would be over.
They are addicted to the adrenalin rush that comes with hate and nastiness.

John Harville

@EZOB... so you put an entire religion in a grouping with "Nazi, Rapist, Communist, Pedophile..."?
I wonder if the Moderator overlooked this - or agrees with it.

Randy_Marsh

Thats funny considering you think everyone who disagrees with your messiah is a racist. HA!

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2cents

It's a philosophy, not the person running!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...

Just saying!

shucks

When liars figure, figures lie.

shucks

@ contango

This was taken from the same page about the horrific Ipod scandal.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli...

p.s
What did Bush do when he heard about the Twin Towers?
He sat there and sat there and etc.

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2cents

http://www.youtube.com/watch?fea...

The Greatest Generation is sad; I know my father is one of them.
President Bush had a class full of children in front of him.
His face was horrified but he kept the children from freaking out.
He closed with his visit and prepared to leave, he boarded his aircraft and took control of the situation.
He did not fly to a campaign rally in Vegas!

Just saying!

John Harville

@2cents. Really? He boarded his aircraft and flew all over the country trying to stay out of harms way. Meanwhile the Saudis flew his family out of the country so they would be safe. He did not make ONE comment to the nation about protection, about the incidents, about plans... he hid. Just sayin'.

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2cents

John, The Whithouse was a target, that was a known. The VP and everyone else was in bunkers underground. Hard to fly home and he was in communication, F16 were scrambled but they did not know where to go, what planes to shoot down!

Obama could have put some gunships over the compound and sat there, any fire on them would be automatic return fire to the ground. The bad guys may have run off!

John Harville

@It was NOT known the White House was a target. There were any number of safe bases to which the President could have been taken. So if the f-16s didn't know where to go or what planes to shoot down, why was it safe for the President to be IN A PLANE that one of those unknown planes might shoot down?
If he was in communication, the plane could have been an easy target honing in on his communication signals.
How did they know the WH was a target? At the time, some thought the plane taken down in Pennsylvania was headed for Chicago or Detroit.
From where comest the gunships and how long to arrive?

Contango

@ John Harville:

So just like they protected Pres. Bush, 11 yrs. ago, the Secret Service had Mr. Obama fly outa town to LV for fundraising?

Interesting tactic.

John Harville

For all you critics: An excerpt from the President's speech in Las Vegas September 12 - be sure to read the last paragraph:
"THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. So I wanted to begin tonight by just saying a few words about a tough day that we had today. We lost four Americans last night, who were killed when they were attacked at a diplomatic post in Libya. And they were serving overseas on our behalf, despite the dangers, despite the risks, to help one of the world’s youngest democracies get on its feet. They were working to advance the interests and the values that we hold dear as Americans. And as Americans, we stand united -– all of us -– in gratitude for their service, and we are mindful of their sacrifice, and we want to send out heartfelt prayers to their loved ones who grieve today. (Applause.)...

As for the ones we lost last night: I want to assure you, we will bring their killers to justice. (Applause.) And we want to send a message all around the world -- anybody who would do us harm: No (!) ACT OF TERROR (!)will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America. (Applause.)...

Contango

@ John Harville:

"Act of terror"?

Why can't he used the word "militant" or "terrorism"?

Guess those terms aren't "optimal" on the eve of an election.

It might give the appearance that this Admin. didn't end terrorist networks with the killing of bin Laden.

sanduskysteve

He didn't take control of crap. He shut down all flights in the US - EXCEPT the one his friends (Bin Ladden's family) was on to get them out of here before the Americans found out they were financing the attack. He (his VP) failed to order any jets to shoot down anything during the attack. He had lots of prior knowledge this was going to happen and still was not prepared and did nothing to prevent this from happening. All he was concerned with was finishing the job his daddy started in Iraq and he was hell-bent on making sure it happened. This was the perfect method to get his agenda going. Then he lied about WMDs to ensure he would have congress behind him. He later stated that his intelligence was in error about teh WMDs, but by then it was way to late to stop the war. He even went so far as to tell a news reporter when asked about his concern for Bin Ladden that he wasn't concerned about him. Yes, the man who actually lead the attack on the US, OUR President was no longer concerned about him. I'm not interested in trying to compare Obama to Bush - there just is no comparison. It is not always good to make a bunch of stupid statements until every single fact is in and every single investigation is completed because you only look like a jerk (Bush). Obama said he was going after those responsible, and his previous actions as President proves that he will do as he says he will. After all, HE was the one that finally got the last guy to attack America and I have confidence he will get this one too. And, I don't think we need to attack Iran to get the group, Mr. Romney.

Contango

@ 4shizzle:

A moot point. Fiat says that they may move Jeep production to Italy.

So you're writing that Pres. Obama is as incompetent or more so than Pres. Bush?

Pres. Bush went to NYC. Is Mr. Obama going to Benghazi? :)

So why isn't the WH telling Americans what they know about the Benghazi "terrorist attack"; why are we only hearing info from the media????

shucks

@ contango a.k.a shape shifter, roger dodger, Romney

Moot my foot.
Stay on the topic.

Contango

@ 4shizzle:

Instead of China, Fiat may move Jeep production to Italy - moot point (your foot).

shucks

Contango

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 1:09pm

"An Obama campaign ad about the music on his iPod was airing while the hurricane was hitting.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli...

It's from Obama Media - ABC.

Can his handlers make this guy look any more out-of-touch?

Time to send Mr. "Cool" back to his home planet of Vulcan."

(the above is a quote copy)

The point you were trying to make was to say Obama was playing around while a storm was going on.
If you would have read the article, you would discover that it was pre recorded BEFORE the storm.

Read it again, slowly:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli...

Like you and the other Rombots, you're so anxious to bash Obama that you trip over yourselves.
Your reading comprehension and credibility have a very bad smell.

Contango

Pres. Obama's plan for "Mediscare":

Paying doctors and hospitals less for services without a reduction in service or quality of the benefits provided. LMAO!!!!

Maybe teachers should take a cut in pay; in the magical world of Obamanomics that ought to improve education right?

John Harville

@Copntango. Didn't you notice? Teachers ARE taking cuts in pay...thousands down to zero.
And how does one get a further reduction in nearly-nonexistent service or quality of the benefits provided.
Doctors have to visit nursing home patients every 30 days. Our last doctor visit in the nursing home lasted exactly 89 seconds... for which he billed medicare and our insurance $150.LMAO!!!!

Contango

@ Comrade Harville:

"Zero"? Teachers are working for nuthin'?

Guess that you shoulda went into medicine if you resent what he charged.

So who's sitting on Mr. Obama's independent advisory board which is gonna decide how much and for what they will reduce payments to healthcare providers?

So you like and want more centralized planning coming out of DC huh?

☭ FORWARD SOVIET ☭

Contango

Oh Goody!

The WH released a photo of Mr. Obama in the Situation Room focusing on "Dear Leader's" handling of hurricane Sandy. Sigh.

Where's the photo and the WH update on what "Dear Leader" knew and now knows about the Benghazi "terrorist attack" from seven weeks ago?

Guess that photo just isn't "optimal" so close to the election huh?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/u-p...

The Big Dog's back

Ask darrel issa.

goofus

@Eriemom, I wonder if when 2000 dealerships and 100,000 people lost their jobs because Obozo took over GM and Chrysler and shut down dealerships on a party preference, do you think they will vote for Obozo!!!

John Harville

Goofis... are they any relation to those who lost jobs and pensions when Rmoney/Bain moved Delphi to China?
Please prove the "100,000"...

John Harville

It just horrifies most of you when the President IS Presidential while Romney runs off to collect food the Red Cross doesn't want at a 'non-political' rally and McCain uses the opportunity to trash the Administration on the handling of Ben-ben-ben-gazi-stan. Next up: Sarah Palin with more shucks, jiving about schtick. Yeah, we're so sorry McCain/Palin didn't win.
Simply, we have no need to know what the President knows/knew - it's vital that we not 'telegraph' to our foes what our plans are. It's vital that - unlike Brownie (who said the President reacted too quickly) and Bush (who flew over Katrina) and Romney who wants to privatize FEMA and calls disaster aid 'immoral' - it's vital that we have a President who IS presidential.

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2cents

(it's vital that we have a President who IS presidential.)

Correct, and our current president is not, does not make decisions well. He brings the trouble upon himself. Who tried to apologise to the terrorists? Make America look like nice guys and the bad guys will go home and play! Come on....

shucks

Your 2cents isn't worth 2 cents.
It's worth much less.

John Harville

2cents... well, we need a man who tells a crowd that Chrysler is moving their plants and jobs to China... then doubles down with TV and radio ads further promoting his lie.
We have a president who IS presidential -- just ask Chris Christie, Andrew Cuomo and that other guy. And we will re-elect the PRESIDENT.

Contango

@ John Harville:

So what if Fiat moves Jeep production to China or to Italy; other than Sinophobic hysteria what's the difference?

"Presidental"? The guy's like an actor who only plays one on TV.

Good to see that you've bought into the cult of personality.

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2cents

John, we have a president that has not mentioned China until the campaign! I lost a line of products to China by a 26 year customer under his leadership this year. 50% of my workforce gone!

The Big Dog's back

Probably outsourced by robme/bain.

sanduskysteve

How is this Obama's fault anyway? I'm sure he got up one morning and said - hey, I need to contact that company that 2cents uses and move them off to china so he will loose business. You have got to be kidding me. Obama hasn't mentioned China because he has no need to - it's Romney that actually OWNS factories in China and continues to bring up how bad they are. It's Romney that purchases things made in china for the campaign while Obama buys "Made in USA" for his campaign. Come on - stop trying to blame everything on Obama. I'm truly surprised that Romney didn't try to blame this hurricane on him like he did the one in the Gulf during the RNC. I remember that bunch of crap.

John Harville

2c3nts... now the President is responsible for the Hurricane? There is no where you won't go to hate the Black man in the White House built by Black slaves.

Contango

@ John Harville:

Yea, it's gotta be his skin color, 'cause his politics couldn't have anything to do with some not supporting his socialistic agenda could it?

The Big Dog's back

I wish his agenda was Socialistic.

2cents's picture
2cents

LOL, where did racisim come in here, I missed that!!!!!!!!

The Big Dog's back

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Randy_Marsh

And theres Dog, "Code words"? Please. Your the biggest racist on here hating the "Affluent white" guys remember? Try to come up with a honest argument.

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2cents

These are comical comments, sad but commical. I share breakfast with a friend almost every morning who is black. I better emenid him to sit at the back of the table. You guys are racist for sure, so sad!

the office cat

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the office cat

Gee.
+Was Bush responsible for Katrina? No.
+Sununu: Powell endorsed Obama because of his race.
+Tee-shirt at Romney rally: "Get the Black man out of the White House"
+43 Americans killed in foreign embassies and consulates - under Bush - and no one raised an eyebrow.
+Trump insists Obama used 'foreign student status' to get into college
+Trump insists Obama is an 'affirmative action" student.
Of course you missed it. Couldn't see around the 'log' in your eye.

Contango

Pres. Obama, Sept. 11, 2012 (morning):

“Al Qaeda’s leadership has been devastated, and Osama bin Laden will never threaten us again,”

Well obviously it would appear that the Benghazi "terrorist attack" may have proven that al-Qaeda is alive and well and operating in Libya.

Thank goodness for Sandy so that Mr. Obama can 'appear' presidential and play President for a while again.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli...

John Harville

Al Quaeda's group withdrew its 'responsibility' statement.
One small terrorist group does not equal a rejuvenation. When bin Laden was alive AQ would have jumped out with a video boasting about their 'conquest'.
And you're giving us blogs as support for your Obama-hating position?

Contango

@ John Harville:

"Al Quaeda's group withdrew its 'responsibility' statement"?

And you know this how? Is this the "official" WH position or did you learn it from the media?

The link is merely ABC's report of Obama statement. Why do you hate ABC News?

The Big Dog's back

darrel issa outed all of our sources in Libya. Dead men don't speak very well. You should be outraged over that.

goofus

Mr, Uh Duh Eh Obozo is uh certainly duh presidential eh duh and uh cetainly we uh americans duh appreciate eh him!!!

goofus

Nooo. One more time: Romney has had NOTHING to do with any of Bains business decisions since 1998!!! Got that?? And did you know that the current Bain CEO is a major Obama bundler?? Bain today is more closely aligned with Obama than with Romney.

The Big Dog's back

Awwwhl shucks goof, bain is more aligned with Obama? Ahahahahahahaha. Up is down, black is white, night is day.

the office cat

Goofus. Ya know ya gotta provide proof for the Obama bundler stuff.
Even Romney admitted he was involved with Bain into 2000 before he 'retroactively retired'.
Ooh, and there IS that $8.5 million share he has in the Freeport, Il company Bain is shifting to China - at great profits for all its shareholders like Romney....

Contango

@ goofus:

It continues to amaze me that the Obamabots cannot see the irony of giant public employee pension trust like Calpers and Calstrs investing billions of dollars in hedge funds and private equity firms like Bain Capital.

Also, those same public employee trust funds invest billions of assets in foreign companies that "stole our jobs."

Sad that such a steep level of ignorance regarding economics and finance is found in the Obamasheeple.

Randy_Marsh

@Contango
Rumors are flying and no one is saying anything BUT http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli... Type in his name and General Ham, Interesting reading to say the least. No wonder they put off the benghazi congressional testimony till after the election, This could get interesting.

goofus

Hey porch puppy, do some research instead of your insulting remarks

shucks

Contango

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 1:09pm

"An Obama campaign ad about the music on his iPod was airing while the hurricane was hitting.

It's from Obama Media - ABC.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli...
Can his handlers make this guy look any more out-of-touch?

Time to send Mr. "Cool" back to his home planet of Vulcan."

(the above is a quote copy)

The point you were trying to make was to say Obama was playing around while a storm was going on.
If you would have read the article, you would discover that it was pre recorded BEFORE the storm.

Read it again, slowly:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli...

Like you and the other Rombots, you're so anxious to bash Obama that you trip over yourselves.
Your reading comprehension and credibility have a very bad smell.

Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
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Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
Thanks, I dont see the hoopla about a president who has been campaigning for the last 4 years and has neglected almost everything else. What do people expect out of him. To do his job? Come on, No one is suprised that he has neglected almost everything to campaign. Maybe he should have stayed in vegas he might get better odds.

shucks

I should have known that you wouldn't be reasonable.

Randy_Marsh

HA! Come on, Joking is not permitted? Who cares if he was on the radio talking about Ipods? I have come to expect it out of him. He is the only president that i can think of that does night shows, The veiw, Radio broadcast and thinks they are Press confrences.

Contango

@ 4shizzle:

The 'key' sentence in my post:

"Can his handlers make this guy look any more out-of-touch?"

Note the word: "Handlers."

The POTUS is and has always been a sock puppet.

FORWARD CHOOM GANG!

shucks

@ contango

You are very amusing-- sooo self important without remedy.

coasterfan

Woohoo! The Oct. 31 independent Quinnipiac poll has Obama up 50% to 45% in Ohio. The Prez is also up in Wisconsin and Virginia.

In a related story, Romney's latest campaign ad, in which he pushes a blatant lie about Jeep moving jobs to China, was given a "Pants on Fire" rating (100% false) by the independent fact-checker Politifact. The vultures are beginning to circle...

Darwin's choice

Obamafail........http://news.msn.com/us/smugglers...
Now more brazen than ever, with the fear of reprisal replaced with welfare/medical assistance etc.........

shucks

Funnnnnny

Kimo

Obama 2012
nuff said

Darwin's choice

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Libel and defamation.

the office cat

Wondering how the moderators overlooked this?

Darwin's choice
shucks

Problematic isn't it?

KURTje

Bet the news of Obama & Jersey's Gov. working together will hurt Romney.

Randy_Marsh

If the best thing to happen to the Obama campaign is a hurricane, It isnt much to run on.

Contango

@ Randy_Marsh:

The states mostly affected were "blue" anyway. Little-to-no effect on the overall electoral results.

the office cat

oooops. wrong again Contango. Inability to vote could affect the 'popular vote' and give the President only his only-important electoral win but not the 'popular' win - a la Bush 2000. Then listen to you yelp. Bet you'll want an investigation there, too, huh? What WILL the Right do with that infernal SUPCO 2000 ruling?

Contango

@ the office cat:

Nonsense. "Obomney" will win - guaranteed.

Darwin's choice

Speaking of inability......how is the new budget Obama is working on coming? Three years of what.......?

the office cat

Marsh. Not the 'best' thing. But it certainly demonstrates the President's ability to set politics aside and work with a Republican who is one of his strongest critics.
Character tells. And in the last five days we were 'told' a lot about Mitt Romney's character. Did he think we wouldn't know his supporters spent $5,000 at Wal-Mart on food and supplies for his supporters to 'donate' to the Red Cross at his 'not political' rally?
And John McCain used a 'relief rally' to attack President Obama on the 'Libya Thing'. WAIT A MINUTE!!! Is Contango really John McCain?

Randy_Marsh

Unless you look at the last 4 years of not being able to "Set aside" differences even on somthing so simple as a budget in a super majority.

sanduskysteve

LOL Office Cat - the funniest thing is that the Red Cross didn't even want his help and they typically don't accept food and clothing. What Romney did actually cost them more time and aggravation in this case. Similar to Ryan taking over a food kitchen to fake some photo ops. And that Romney supporting Governor actually said he really didn't want Romney there taking photos.
This DOES say something about the situation.

Contango

Even the 'liberal' Washington Post (WP)is beginning to ask questions surrounding the Benghazi "terrorist attack."

"Obama needs to come clean on Benghazi":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/bl...

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According to WP columnist David Ignatius:

"Officials" are preparing a "detailed, unclassified timeline of events" surrounding Benghazi and "that it may be released this week."

"May"?

So far, the "official" WH story remains: Spontaneous demonstration caused by a video.

Does any thinking person other than an Obamasheeple still believe this manure?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/op...

the office cat

@Contango 43 Americans were killed at US embassies and consulates during the Bush Administration. Did you press for details on THOSE? Or are you REALLY just after THIS president?

the office cat

Have you read the contemporaneous reports of the demonstrations in Cairo and Tripoli over the video PRIOR to the attack at Ben-ben-ben-gazi-bechistan. The word went out to be aware of possible demonstrations in other cities. Now what will you do when the final report shows the 'terrorist cell' in BG was prepared and awaiting an opportunity?...that the attack was pre-planned but the timetable was fluid? That will be a government coverup, right?
43 Americans were killed in US foreign embassies during the Bush administration - most as yet unexplained. Does it seem your present outrage is a bit hypocritical?

Darwin's choice

Try, try, but the blame is still on your man.....

the office cat

What happened to the days of the WP doing its own investigative reporting? Oh yeah,...WP would need REPORTERS.

the office cat

case in point... "According to WP columnist David Ignatius..." opinions are like.... well you know the rest.

Contango

@ the office cat:

The media is trying to fill the WH news vacuum. So what's the "official" WH story on Benghazi today?

2cents's picture
2cents

(The media is trying to fill the WH news vacuum)
Speaking of vacuums!
http://www.youtube.com/embed/RUh...

coasterfan

Just saw a new Romney ad in which he proclaims himself to be “better for autoworkers than Obama”. The ad repeats the completely false claim that Jeep will move American jobs to China.

Romney is hoping that we will forget his 2008 full-page editorial in which he said “we should let American auto manufacturers fail”, with millions of American jobs instantly vanishing as a result. He is hoping that we’ll forget that the state of Massachusetts ranked 47th in job creation while he was governor. He’s hoping that America won’t notice that his own home state (Michigan) and adopted state (Massachusetts) – the people who know him best – are voting for Obama in 2012. He’s hoping that we’ll believe his economic plan (the same one that caused the recession) is the answer.

Republicans would have us believe that the recession began in 2009. We all know that it started in 2007 and we all know who caused it. Our country was stupid enough to vote George W. Bush into office TWICE. Let’s hope we don’t give Bush a 3rd term by voting Romney.

Darwin's choice

Blah,blah, blah Obama=failure

shucks

coasterfan

"...don't give Bush a 3rd term by voting Romney."

My thoughts exactly!

Contango

@ coasterfan:

An easily proven falsehood.

The 2008 editorial did not read: “we should let American auto manufacturers fail”,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/1...

Gov. Romney suggested bridge loans not nationalization, the same as was done for Chrysler under the Carter Admin.

And YES, GM and Chrysler did go bankrupt.

Mr. Obama is Mr. Carter's second term - YIKES!

So coasterfan, I ask again: What make of car do you drive?

Should I assume from your continued non response that it is not from "Detroit"?

coasterfan

Wrong as usual, Contango. Back in 2008, I was driving a Ford Focus with 110,000 miles on it, and now my employer is doing so well that they provided a GM company car to each employee in mid-2011. My company almost went bankrupt early during the Bush recession, but thanks to the recovering economy under Obama, the company has increased its staff by 60% since 2010.

So, in just a few short years, I've personally experienced the utter failure of Republican economic policies, as well as the Democratic economic policies that are helping our country recover.

By the way, Romney's bridge loans plan has been proven to have been impossible, since during the early days of the recession, there wasn't enough private funding available to make a bridge loan plan possible. It's exactly BECAUSE no one else stepped up to help GM/Chrysler that the job was left to the Fed.Government. Sorry, friend...you can spin it any way you want, but Romney still left the auto industry to sink on its own. That ain't leadership.

Darwin's choice

I call BS on this..........who is your "company", and what is their financial status now, storyteller?

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Get it through your head: GM and Chrysler DID go bankrupt.

And yes, there was private financing. For one, Penski wanted to buy Saturn.

The govt. supplied the financing for the Chrysler bridge loan.

I doubt that you have no personal use vehicle. What is it?

BTW: Without Mr. Bernanke's money printing, this economy would be flat on it's back. Other than borrow, Mr. Obama has done squat.

coasterfan

Wrong once again, Contango. I have no personal use vehicle, no vehicle other than my company-owned GM, which I earned by increasing my sales by 250% since 2010. Since my company sells a leisure product, it's indicative of just HOW much the economy has improved that Americans spent $8 million last year with my small company of less than 15 employees. I'm just a worker bee at the bottom of the food chain, but in 2012 under Obama, things are good.

In mid-2008, I was unemployed and my home was about to be foreclosed upon. So, no, I DON'T want to go back to the same GOP economic ideas that caused our entire economy to tank. Romney's plan is Bush's plan on steroids. Romney = Recession Part 2.

I expect all politicians to stretch the truth to make themselves look better. What I DON'T expect are blatant lies, and that's what the Romney ads are these days. Jeep/Chrysler immediately debunked Romney's ad - it's not like it was just the Obama campaign that told Romney "you're full of it".

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Sales? Probably just a good order taker.

A company car? So your employer deducts the usage as a tax loophole? Time to end that don't you think?

Are you taxed on the use of your company car as a benefit?

The consumer is overextended on debt, don't get too comfortable.

Hope you're investing some of your income in some evil corporations in a retirement plan.

Fiat said that they may move Jeep production to Italy. The Romney ads are only guily of a mistatement of country destination.

coasterfan

LOL, I'm wondering if you were sounding the alarm in 2005-2006 when the Wall Street / housing bubble was about to burst. You know, the economic crisis that was caused by lack of government oversight (which Republicans vehemently opposed)? I think that is a FAR better example of "the consumer being overextended on debt", don't you?

I'm far less cynical than you are. You're entitled to hate the government. I see them as an important safety net, and I think that the current huge fed gov't response is indicative of that. I have no use for conservatives who complain about FEMA, then who get in line for help when the hurricane hits their area. Actually, I find Republicans to be odd to begin with. They profess to love America, yet hate so many Americans and so many established American Institutions.

Darwin's choice

Coasterfan.....you have an amazing gift of "hindsight"

the office cat

Careful.... that fire in your pants is working its way to the seat of your understanding. Fiat doesn't have the means without Chrysler. Blaze on!

Contango

@ the office cat:

And Fiat says that they can't make it without a third player; maybe Mazda.

Read more business and watch less Bill Maher.

the office cat

Why are you so anxious to send 850,000 Ohio jobs overseas and put Americans out of work? It's almost like you're cheering for the Liar-in-Chief Romney to be right.
BTW... where is Paul Ryan?

Darwin's choice

"O" must go........

Darwin's choice

Obama=failure

the office cat

And yet the Liar-in-Chief has not corrected his lies.

Contango

@ the office cat:

You mean Mr. Obama who told the people of IL that he would fulfill his term as U.S. Senator and not run for POTUS?

the office cat

GOTTA prove that one, Contango.
But thank you for the opening into Josh Mandel's greatest lies:
October 5, 2010.
“Right now my plan is to be elected state treasurer, do a darn good job and then take it from there. I don’t have any plans or visions beyond that, so you know right now it’s be a good treasurer, definitely serve there you know, for the first four years and likely for, you know run for re-election but I’m not sure but a lot of that’s going to be, I think, you know, impacted by, you know family situations as well." Then he missed every meeting (14) of the most important committee of which he is chair.
I gave my proof... you give yours.
But no one is a bigger prevaricator than the Son of A merican Motors.

Contango

@ the office cat:

Proof of Mr. Obama lying about running for POTUS?

You remember that I lived for yrs. in IL right?

Here's one, there are more.

U.S. Senator-elect Obama:

"Guys, I'm a state senator. I was elected yesterday. I have never set foot in the U.S. Senate. I've never worked in Washington. And the notion that somehow I'm immediately going to start running for higher office just doesn't make sense. So look, I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years, and my entire focus is making sure that I'm the best possible senator on behalf of the people of Illinois. ... I am not running for president in 2008 ... I mean, come on guys. The only reason I'm being definitive is because until I'm definitive you will keep asking me this question, but it's a silly question."

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search...

The Big Dog's back

If you think orangatango has lost it now, wait until next week after Obama is re-elected. BOOM!

Darwin's choice

"snip, snip"

shucks

For real

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Crediting Mr. Obama for your stated economic success?

Hurricane Sandy showed that it all comes down to protecting your own, govt. can't save you.

coasterfan

Silly Contango. Of course, the government cannot prevent a hurricane from hitting. What it CAN do, under the right leadership, is provide a quick and effective response (see Obama, Hurricane Sandy). Or, under poor/hesitant leadership, it can provide a weak/delayed/ineffective response (see Bush, Hurricane Katrina).

OK, off to work for me (you apparently don't work, since you post 24/7... are you one of Mitt's 47%?)

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Hope you're savin' some green for when the good times end.

the office cat

And exactly would YOU have protected YOUR own?
Allstate's homeowners policies went bankrupt with Katrina so they stopped paying for wind and storm damage and forced clients to buy from the new homeowners plan.
We, The Government, will provide the means to rebuild because that's what we do.

Contango

@ the office cat:

90% of the population of N'Orleans evacuated when ordered.

About the only private citizens that remained were those who were dependent upon the govt. for their health and welfare.

The U.S. borrows 40-50 cents of every dollar spent, where's the money gonna come from?

the office cat

@Contango... and all the people of NO returned to perfectly fine homes and no need of restoration/protection. Right. And Congress - led by Eric Cantor - refused to give the $$$ necessary to rebuild.
The people who owned those 80 homes destroyed by a raging fire left too. And to what will they return?
Oh... and when will we hear you question the fate of 43 Americans killed in embassies under Bush?

Contango

@ the office cat:

Breezy Point was where some one-percenters live. Good to know you care.

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