In speech, Romney promises to revitalize economy

Mitt Romney is promising to revitalize the nation's economy with "bold ideas" and a senior aide said the Republican presidential candidate would not cut ties with an Indiana Senate candidate who said pregnancy resulting from rape is "something God intended."
Associated Press
Oct 26, 2012

 

As President Barack Obama took a break from the campaign trail, Romney delivered what his campaign billed as a major economic address in swing state Iowa on Friday to help win the dwindling number of voters yet to make up their minds. While the speech did not break new ground, it was designed to help crystalize the differences between his and Obama's economic approaches less than two weeks before Election Day.

"If Paul Ryan and I are elected as your president and vice president, we will endeavor with all our hearts and energy to restore America," Romney said. "Instead of more spending, more borrowing from China and higher taxes from Washington, we'll renew our faith in the power of free people pursuing their dreams."

Minutes before the speech, senior strategist Eric Fehrnstrom said Romney would not call on Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock to remove TV ads featuring Romney's endorsement. Fehrnstrom said Romney disagrees with the Indiana Republican's recent comment about rape, but would not interfere with Mourdock's advertising.

"That's his decision," Fehrnstrom said when asked whether the campaign wants Mourdock to remove the ads. He added that Romney feels he has addressed the matter and doesn't plan to discuss it further.

Romney has not spoken about Mourdock's comments directly, despite repeated questions from reporters about it in recent days.

The candidate was focused on the economy as he addressed several hundred supporters on a cold autumn day outside a local construction company.

Romney argued that Obama has no proposals that can meet "the challenges of the times." He dismissed the president's signature legislative achievement, a health care law, as "his vaunted Obamacare" and said he would instead focus on saving Medicare and Social Security.

He repeated many of his standard campaign themes: that Obama is focusing on small issues like "characters on Sesame Street and silly word games" and that Romney will improve kitchen-table concerns like health care, job creation and school choice. His signature refrain is that America can't afford another four years like the last four years.

The speech came hours after the government reported a slight pickup in economic growth in the final such report before the Nov. 6 election.

The pickup to 2 percent from July to September from the 1.3 percent in the second quarter may help Obama's message that the economy is improving. Still, growth remains too weak to rapidly boost hiring. And the 1.74 percent rate for 2012 trails last year's 1.8 percent growth. Romney called the news "discouraging."

"Slow economic growth means slow job growth and declining take-home pay," Romney said in a statement. "This is what four years of President Obama's policies have produced."

The White House had a more positive take on the news in a blog post by Alan Krueger, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers. "While we have more work to do, together with other economic indicators, this report provides further evidence that the economy is moving in the right direction," he wrote. Obama got better news from a survey out of the University of Michigan showing consumer confidence rising to its highest level in five years.

An Associated Press-GfK poll out this week shows Romney overtaking Obama as the candidate that likely voters trust more to handle the economy. The poll found 51 percent of those voters surveyed Oct. 19-23 picking Romney, compared to 44 percent for Obama. The two candidates were tied among likely voters on that issue in the previous poll in mid-September.

Still, the two are locked in a dead heat in the nationwide poll. Other surveys show a tight race in the swing states that will decide the election, with the winning candidate needing 270 Electoral College votes. With Hurricane Sandy threatening the East Coast during the final full week of the campaign, Romney canceled a rally in Virginia scheduled for Sunday. Obama aides said they were watching the storm's path before deciding whether to call off any of his events.

Obama was pushing back on Romney's criticism on another front — relations with Israel, which could have an impact particularly with Jewish voters in swing state Florida. The Republican has repeatedly criticized Obama for not traveling to Israel as president. Obama visited as a candidate in 2008.

A new ad shows images of Obama's trip and video of his pledge during his final debate with Romney that Iran will not get a nuclear weapon while he's president and that "our bond with Israel will be unbreakable."

Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg responded that Obama's Middle East policy "has been a failure."

"As president, Mitt Romney's first overseas trip will be to Jerusalem, and under a Romney Administration, the world will never question America's solidarity with Israel," she said in a statement.

Romney was expanding his TV advertising into Minnesota, where President Richard Nixon was the last Republican to carry the state 40 years ago. The investment is described as a small buy that Democrats suggest is simply intended to generate media coverage and force the incumbent campaign to spend money there as well. And Obama's campaign followed suit, going up with what it described as a small buy meant to reach voters in neighboring Wisconsin.

Romney's running mate Paul Ryan also spent time in states not expected to affect the race's outcome, with fundraisers in South Carolina and Alabama. Ryan was scheduled to join Romney for a rally Friday evening in North Canton, Ohio, before the vice presidential candidate embarks on a two-day, 400-mile bus tour of the state.

At a midday luncheon in Huntsville, Ala., that raised more than $1 million for Romney's campaign, Ryan told donors they were helping pay for television ads in battleground states and staff to get voters to their polling locations. "Historically, Republicans have not been as good at that," Ryan said. "We're getting a lot better."

Vice President Joe Biden, campaigning Friday in Wisconsin, said Romney "meant what he said" when he was caught on tape saying that 47 percent of the nation considers themselves victims.

"Romney talks about victims. I don't know where the hell he lives," Biden told about 1,000 people at the University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh. "I don't recognize the country he's talking about." The Obama campaign has a radio ad playing heavily in Wisconsin keying off of Romney's 47 percent line and using it to question the Republican's priorities. Both Romney and Ryan plan to campaign in Wisconsin early next week.

Obama arrived back in Washington late Thursday following a 40-hour battleground state blitz of eight states. He took a one-day break from the campaign trail Friday, spending much of the day at the White House, with a trip to Democratic Party headquarters to film a live appearance on MTV. Turning out young voters who tend to vote Democratic is a key strategy for the Obama campaign. He was scheduled to campaign in New Hampshire on Saturday.

The president also planned Oval Office interviews Friday with American Urban Radio Networks, which has a largely black audience, and Michael Smerconish, the conservative-leaning radio host who backed him in the 2008 election.

Obama also planned to talk to local television stations in swing states. And the campaign announced Friday that the president will travel next week to Colorado, Wisconsin and Ohio for a series of campaign rallies and events.

 

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The Big Dog's back

Everytime rmoney opens his mouth he's lying.

Kimo

He is using some of Kasich's old speeches.
Worked for Kasich in OH.
May work for what's his name??

rottnrog

Rmoney told another big one in Defiance yesterday. He said Chrysler was closing the Jeep plant in Toledo and moving it to china !! I can't believe anyone would actually believe anything the idiot says !!!!

Randy_Marsh

I heard of copy and pasting, But your own sentence?? BTW it was in bloomberg http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

rottnrog

I would suggest you develope your comprehension skills. Where does that article say they are moving all Jeep production? It says they may AGAIN start making Jeeps there for the chinese market. DUH !!!!!

Randy_Marsh

Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.
and may eventually make all of its models in that country
may eventually make all
make all
ALL
Guess you need to work on YOUR comprehension huh?

rottnrog

Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

Do you know what the word RATHER means???

Comprehension... What the right wing doesn't have !!

Randy_Marsh

So when they say "All" they do not mean all? Gimmie a break. China is cheaper and has less regulation and chrysler is no longer a American country, They are Italian and if you think china doesnt look good to them you need help. Fiat will get what makes them the most money. Use a little common sense here.

rottnrog

ALL of the vehicles to sell in that country !!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/fiat...

No wonder you like rmoney!!!

Randy_Marsh

I dont like Romney, The only thing i like less than Romney is Rabid Obama supporters who would RATHER throw common sense to the wind and twist storys to scare people about a canidate.
Use some common sense Fiat does not care about toledo, You or the state of ohio, They care about the bottom line and if that includes cutting regulation cost and taxes by moving ALL THE MODELS to china to make money thats exactly what they will do. Thats the reason they own a car company and you do not, They know how to make the money.

rottnrog

It says all models to be sold in China, not all models for the whole world. Like I said, learn comprehension !!

sanduskysteve

Oh, they have good comprehension UNLESS it is against the republicans - then comprehension goes completely out the window. Let's see - Toyota is a company owned in Japan, but they make US sold models here in the US - probably makes a lot of sense due to transportation costs of shipping it overseas. I can understand Jeep doing the same thing - so Jeeps sold in the US will most likely continue to be made in the US. Common Sense - another feature not available in all republicans.

reese

Randy,

Romney's statement has been debunked by Chrysler.

Randy_Marsh

Reese
I accept it being debunked by Chyrsler, Thanks for sharing that. Fiat who OWNS chrysler wants to make money. NOW NAME ONE CONGLOMERATE YOU TRUST OR IS IT ALL CONGLOMERATES ARE OUT TO SCREW PEOPLE? Please explain this scientific anomoly to me? How does Fiat avoid the bankrupcy while avoiding the same pitfalls the american company fell into? Yeah, Union will make them go go bankrupt in 2 years. Have fun living in the tard world, when you get into the real world its a different game.

KnuckleDragger

Let me know how many companies have publicly debunked that they were moving production to China and then did it anyway? I'm waiting...Of course Chrysler is not going to admit it, until after the election. Watch and see.

John Harville

You mean like Bain Capital with Delphi???

Randy_Marsh

John
So you agree, Thanks!

KnuckleDragger

May I suggest that while you call someone on their comprehension skills that you also learn how to proofread your posts? Develop NOT Develope, dolt.

John Harville

@rottnrog... YOU GOT 'EM! Congratulations! You can tell because they started nitpicking typos. "when you have the facts, pound the facts. When you don't have the facts, pound the table."

coasterfan

Romney is a Wind Sock. Whichever way the wind is blowing, you know? Tells the crowd whatever they want to hear. Mr. I Have Bank Accounts In The Caymans is actually trying to pass himself off as a Friend to the Middle Class. Really? Really?

MHL

Gee it appears you made coasters point for him Darwin.

Obama looks like the same guy he was four years ago.

Mitt does not look the same day to day .

Funny stuff you got any more ciil videos?

KnuckleDragger

Yup, looks like he is putting forth the very same ideas he did four years ago...the ones that haven't worked.

John Harville

@Knuckles... did you know Tagg Romney carries left-handed brass knuckles in his pocket "like Dad taught us"?

...."the ones that haven't worked..." Lemesee: Stockmarket almost double. Unemployment 7% in Ohio and trending downward. UE figures Friday to be lower than September 7.8% (non-seasonally adjusted 7.3% mid October). More economic growth in September. 5 million+ new private sector jobs. And the one I know you hate: "bin Laden is dead, GM isn't".

swiss cheese kat

Mitt’s been successful at everything he’s tried. It’s because he speaks with people. He embraces people. He works with people. He doesn’t patronize or speak down to them.

sanduskysteve

Ask the residents of Massachusetts what they think about his success. They are not impressed and they actually have the third slowest job growth since he has been there. And strange as it is - they are the third smallest state. If he couldn't fix things in the small state of MA - how is he ever going to fix things in the whole USA? And remember his solution to balancing the budget for the Olympics was to borrow tons of money from the goverment. The very thing he NOW says he is against. Romney was bad for MA and he is still bad for the US. He is not successful at everything he does - and HIS successes cost EVERYONE else dearly - their jobs and money is most cases - ask Delphi.

KnuckleDragger

In most circles 5% unemployment is considered full employment. Massachusettes unemployment rate was 4.7 percent when he left office a drop of 1%. I would say his performance was no worse than Obama

John Harville

WHAT? Who does he embrace? WITH whom does he speak? With WHOM does he work? To whom does he NOT speak down or patronize ("I like cheesy grits").
He was successful with the Olympics because of BILLIONS in federal government grants to reconstruct the Salt Lake City infrastructure.
Ask the folks at Delphi how he gained his success there with Bain Capital.
Ask the people in Massachusetts where he was 'successful' (well he did give us the foundation and framework for Obamacare) why he's down 30 points in the polls in his 'other' home state.
Ask the people in Utah and the aforementioned Salt Lake City why their newspaper endorsed Obama and said there are just 'too many Mitts' to know which one is real.

Louie

While the two worthless political morons battle it out the country continues to get worse.In my opinion neither is worth a dime and neither one is worthy of being president because they talk big but the truth is neither one has any ideal what to do to get the USA back on its feet.People are losing their Jobs and Homes Crime is increasing and the only thing they are worried about is whose going to be president so they can get richer.I am so tired of hearing their empty promises and lies.When will the USA ever get a President that will do what needs to be done to revive the country GOD HELP US ALL.

real talk

another week and a half and we never have to hear about this lying rat bast@rd again.

mikel

would that be obama you are talking about?

ohiozulu

Romney 2016!!!

John Harville

ohiozulu... but Ann says after he loses next week he is done politically...

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John Harville

Okay, I read it. Your point?

Darwin's choice

What the world thinks of the US.............no wonder they dislike us...... dishttp://1389blog.com/2011/08/30/g...

John Harville

Is that why foreign polls - except Pakistan - are overwhelmingly for Obama?

reporter54

President is not running this country. Big Banks are.

John Harville

That's called fascism...

starryeyes83

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savantpm

What?! Revitalize CHINA's economy?!

goofus

If you have 15% unemployment you still have 85% of the population still working and many on the same job. Why aren't they spending on capital goods, lack of faith in Obozo! A big vote of no confidence for O. I've put off buying a car for four years now and have more in savings than I ever had. By just being elected he will stimulate alot of people, me included!!!

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2cents

(If you have 15% unemployment you still have 85% of the population still working and many on the same job.)

McDonalds must have added some new stores, LOL :)

There you go again

If you watch "Dreams from my Real Father" you will never believe in Obama again. Very disturbing!

Riskkbreaker

Yah. Notice that Obama's book is called "Dreams FROM My Father," NOT Dreams OF My Father.

Everyone should watch "2016: Obama's America" before voting (I am entirely certain it is floating around online, if you know where to look). It is a movie produced by an American who was born in India..and even tho he was born into the same kind of situation that Kenyans are born into, he somehow emerges with a completely different outlook on America than Obama has.
The movie builds up slowly but everything matters in the end. Very interesting movie..even aside from the 2012 elections.

There you go again

My mistake, the movie is called "Dreams from my Real Father". It is an opinion piece on who is Obama's REAL father.

John Harville

As a companion piece, everyone should watch "2012: Romney's America". Perfect Full Moon/Halloween entertainment.

swiss cheese kat

Rabid Obama supporters are thrilled that 140,000 - 500,000 vehicles that COULD have been made in the USA are now gonna be made in China.

Floyd P

I don't understand how voters could support this guy when most of the GOP doesn't; he was yesterday's leftovers and I still can't get the rancid taste out of my mouth.

Contango

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coasterfan

If you want a return to the 2007-2008 recession, be sure to vote for Romney, since his economic plan is exactly like Bush's. If you want to join the team supporting the continued recovery/improvement that we are seeing today, join me in Voting for America and for Obama.

-Unemployment down for 31 straight months. Down to 7.8% nationally, lowest since before Obama took office. Down to 7% in Ohio. Job creation up each month.
-Economy continues to recover. GDP up 2% in 3rd quarter.
-Consumer spending continues to rise, locally and nationally, a direct indication of consumer confidence in the economy.
-Home foreclosures nationally at a 5-year low.
-Gas prices continue to drop.

The signs of improvement are there for everyone to see. The Romney campaign doesn't want to acknowledge them, of course, but the misinformation they peddle doesn't make the facts any less true.
Ohioans are well aware that Obama saved 800,000 jobs in the auto industry, and that Romney opposed saving those jobs. Yesterday Romney campaigned at an Iowa factory that was saved by Federal Stimulus Funds. Do you think those people bought the baloney he is selling?

At the end of the day, people want to know which candidate will make things better for THEM. There is absolutely no question that, for the middle-class and poor, Obama is in your corner. Romney's policies help the rich and hurt the rest of us, by funneling more and more money to the top.

Darwin's choice

Really????
Obama so far has not

balanced the budget
reduced the deficit
slowed illegal immigration
reformed health care costs
improved the economy
removed troops from Afghanistan
stabilized the government in Iraq
improved life in Libya
fixed social security

On the other hand, maybe he did all he planned to do. All he promised was hope.
And, I don't know what kind of gas your drinking, but the price went up .35 last nite!

John Harville

...and gas went down 30 cents today. Your point?
+the budget is the Constitutional responsibility of the House of Reps
+the deficit actually is lower if you keep out (as Bush did) the unfunded costs of the Iraq War, No Child Left Behind and the China debt for the wars.
+actually Romney reports immigration is lower than in the past because many are 'self-deporting'. Tell Congress to act on the Dream Act.
+health care costs are lower or dropping and more are insured.
+economy improved another 2% in September
+removed troops from Iraq
+supports Iraq as it stabilizes its OWN government
+Quadahy (sp) is gone.
+SS isn't broken - just extensively borrowed upon and never repaid.

Hope is greater than fearomney.
And gas went down .40 in some areas today.

Riskkbreaker

So, the Marxist party (Dems) is trying to help Capitalism?
And the Capitalist Party (Repubs) will ruin Capitalism if we elect their candidate?
Yah, sounds legit /sarcasm

Don't you mean to say that, if we want another recession like 2008, we should give the Dems control of the House again like we did in 2006?

John Harville

Better than the Republican total control 2000-2006 (and Congressional control the six year before that)

Now, are the Dems Marxist or Socialist? There IS a difference.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

The odds are VERY good that WHOMEVER is president over the next four yrs will oversee another economic crisis.

Other than tax, print, borrow and spend, spend, spend (stimulus) Pres. Obama has no economic plan.

The Federal debt limit will soon need to be raised or the govt. will run out of money. Should be interesting to watch the partisan battles.

Mr. Benanke's low interest rates and quantitative easing (money printing) is the only thing keeping this economy on life support.

meowmix

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Contango

@ meowmix:

If Congress remains status quo he'll be a lame duck from day one.

John Harville

Oh. Meowmix, you ticked off Sarah. I guess in all her journalistic studies, she didn't study New York Times Co. vs Sullivan.
"New York Times v. Sullivan established the "actual malice" standard which requires the plaintiff to prove that the publisher was aware that the statement was false and published it anyway. This places a very high burden of proof on the plaintiff in libel cases.

"The concept of public figures is important in freedom of the press cases. A public figure is a person that puts themselves in the eye of the public, such as a politician or celebrity. These individuals have the burden of proof in defamation and libel cases."

eriemom
Contango

@ eriemom:

Buy low, sell high; do you not understanding investing?

Do you have any retirement assets or are you planning to live off a govt. stipend?

At least Mr. Romney invests his own money. Mr. Obama uses taxpayer money like he's at a casino.

eriemom

Do you not understand the hypocrisy? Mr. Romney wrote an opinion about letting the auto industry go bankrupt and against government loans. While he was collecting cash from the same loans. Another talking point has been about bringing jobs back from China. All while he was involved with liquidating Delphi pensions, so that government pension insurance had to pick up the bill. His investment partner then sent every job to China.

Contango

@ eriemom:

Not the "auto industry" - GM and Chrysler. All you're doing is repeating Obama nonsense.

And YES! GM and Chrysler DID go BANKRUPT!!!

Did you 'actually' read Mr. Romney's op-ed or are you again just trusting the left wing news network?

Here is it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/1...

He calls for 'bridge loans' as was done under Pres. Carter for Chrysler.

Delphi didn't go to China. Buy some stock:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DLPH

eriemom

Bridge loans from a dysfunctional banking industry. So, just because I could buy some stock the manufacturing did not move to China? I can buy stock in Apple, most of their products are manufactured in China.

What will happen when it is discovered that the reason that Mr. Romney did not wish to release his tax returns to the public is because he benefited from TARP and the liquidation of Delphi pensions?

When venture capitalists discuss liquidation they are talking about pensions for the most part. You do understand that even though Ford was not involved in TARP, they did share parts manufacturing. They too would have been bankrupt from Singer's blackmail.

Contango

@ eriemom:

Govt. "bridge loans":

"The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk."

So nationalization of GM and Chrysler was the only alternative?

You do know that Fiat is failing in Italy don't you?

Few people could afford an Apple product if it was manufactured here. All the intellectual property is in the U.S.

Vested benefits in defined contribution pension trusts are guaranteed. See: ERISA

You rely on one lefty for your info. and arrive at nonsensical conclusions.

mikel

eriemom, stevie, deertracker, puttytat, mhl, meowmix, 4shiz - just how many shares of gm do you all own? if none why not? don't you want to be part of saving them? after all the ONLY way they could have survived was by a gov't bailout and no other way according to all of you financial genuises. did prezo send you your shares yet? the biggest farce the obumbles campaign has spread is that the auto industry surely would have failed without the bailout. what happens when they fail again, which they surely will? chrysler is a prime example of that. throwing good money after bad has never worked!

sanduskysteve

I thought we already have decided that SS is NOT an entitlement program. If this is the case, then living off SS and NOT living off a govt. stipend. Why is this so difficult for republicans to understand? Of course, if it is in their favor, they understand it very well - it's when it doesn't fit into the argument they are having this they don't understand it. romney invests his money because he was born with plenty of money to invest. Many middle class and poor do not have the ability to invest money into big business. Probably if they did - then everyone would be rich and paying only 14% tax and have billions in overseas accounts. Those people are not usually hand-made by hard work - they are usually someone whose parents or grandparents have started them off because THEY were rich. It's the silver spoon syndrome. The majority of rich people were born into richness and they stay rich due to stupid policies put into place by who? More rich people protecting themselves.

Contango

@ ss:

By definition, SS and Medicare are "entitlement" programs:

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/t...

There is no trust fund. Benefit payments are collected from current workers.

Both are unsustainable Ponzi schemes.

Not a "govt" stipend?

Remember last yr. during the Fed debt ceiling debate that Pres. Obama said that SS checks might not go out?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

John Harville

Pres Obama said SS checks might not go out IF THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN because Congress refused to discuss budget issues. No matter what Huff or you say, SS has a trust fund - but Johnson and Reagan raided it. The fact it is NOT included as a budget item tells all.
Benefit payments are collected from current workers. When the Baby Boomers were contributing in huge numbers, there was more money than their retired parents needed. The surplus was placed in a trust fund. When Reagan needed to make his budget look better, he got Congress to 'borrow' the Trust Fund. Even Republican economists agree if that was repaid, SS would be good for another 50 years.

eriemom

@Steve: Do you understand that republicans were always against SS and Medicare? They have starved the beast and will stop at nothing to end the programs. Calling them entitlements was the start. Then making statements about the programs not being available for young Americans to get folks on board for the coupon plan came next.

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@ eriemom:

Any financially prudent individual knows a Ponzi scheme when they see one.

What happens to a person's contributions when they die prior to retirement age and there are no beneficiaries? Only the govt. could get away with such theft.

Ask a twenty-something and thirty-somethings if they believe that SS will be around for them.

Who "starved the beast"? Contribution percentages were raised under Pres. Reagan.

Why bother talking about upping the retirement age and means testing if the SS program is not in trouble?

sanduskysteve

I do not dissagree that it is in trouble - my issue is that it should be made whole again by the same government that ruined it. But my biggest complaint is lumping it in with welfare and medicaid as an entitlement. I PAID FOR MY SS AND MEDICARE - it belongs to me - I am NOT entitled to it as a welfare recipient, I am entitled to it because it is MY money. If it was not MANDATED that it come out of my check without my agreeing to it, then I could do a lot better handling it myself, but as long as the IRS and the government says it MUST be withdrawn - then it is still MY MONEY and not an entitlement as in taking money from the government. I will be taking money which I banked myself WITH the government - it is still MY MONEY and is not an entitlement. I'm sorry that the republicans cannot understand the difference, but that is a big difference. Tell the republicans to stop taking if from my pay check and I'll be happy with calling it an entitlement.

Contango

sanduskysteve writes:

"I do not dissagree that it is in trouble - my issue is that it should be made whole again by the same government that ruined it."

And at about $100T in projected unfunded liablities, how do propose that SS and Medicare be "made whole"?

Taxpayers ARE the govt.

Are you "entitled" to the benefits?

John Harville

...made whole by returning the huge amounts Reagan 'borrowed' from it.

The Big Dog's back

winnie, Capitalism is a Ponzi scheme.

Contango

brutus writes:

"Capitalism is a Ponzi scheme."

Which means what?

mikel

eriemom - i am republican and definately against social security! any program that involves our corrupt gov't getting their hands on surely will fail!!! let me have my money to invest how i see fit.

John Harville

Ah @Mikel... it must be wonderful to be as 'flush' and blest as you - and so full of self-control. You are NOT Republican. You are Libertarian. And like so many of them you want to have sway over your own money and invest it as you choose. So. I propose that you get to keep all your money. You pay no taxes. However, you also don't walk on the sidewalks, drive on the streets, call the fire department when your house catches fire, call an ambulance when you have a heart attack, call police when someone is trying to break into your house, have a street light on your corner, send your children to school - unless you pay a 'toll' for use of any of those services for which the rest of us a paying. Or you could just thank God Almighty for the privilege of being born in this country and enjoying all the attendant benefits.

deertracker

"His own money" did you really just type that? I guess it is his now since he stole it from hard working Americans! What are you going to live off of when Wall St. crashes AGAIN and next time no bailout?????

Contango

@ deertracker:

Only the govt. can "legally" steal money from "hard working Americans."

Another Wall St. crash? It's called: Asset diversification.

John Harville

@Contango. uhuhuhuh! Mr. Romney invests millions of dollars created by workers in the companies he and Bain Capital sell off or move... ie: the Freeport company Bain is moving to China - in which Romney has $8+ million of 'his' dollars invested and from which he can expect to make millions more. Some of 'his' investment dollars were gained from the sale and move of Delphi....

Contango

@ John Harville:

And the largest public employee pension trusts, Calpers and Calstrs invest billions of dollars worth of their assets in foreign cos. as well as investing in alternative investments like hedge funds and private equity firms.

Why do you think they make those investments unless they expect to make a ROI?

Contango

@ eriemom:

Here's a video for you. Please watch as I did yours:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/or...

eriemom

I watched the O'Rielly Talking Points. I get that republicans are working hard to make the death of four Americans a political issue. I also trust that the Obama administration will hold those responsible accountable; ie. Osama bin Laden.

Contango

@ eriemom:

Memo: I ain't a Repub.

It's been almost seven wks. and the American people are still waiting for answers of: Who, what, where, when, why and how.

The election probably has nothing to do with the Admin's stonewalling does it?

The Big Dog's back

I'm not waiting for an answer.

eriemom

But, you will vote for one.

Contango

@ eriemom:

Other than Mr. Obama, whom I will vote for has yet to be determined. Still watchin' the polls.

John Harville

Probably not. BEcause the info coming forth (like the 'responsible terrorist group posted on FB and Twitter then retracted by said group and the reports from Cairo about the 'anti-video demonstration' there earlier, and the fact the Ambassador had been moved to the prescribed safe room but died of smoke asphyxiation) have made no difference so far.

meowmix

Anyone see Trump on Letterman show? He condemned the President for not dealing properly with China, turned around to market his shirts and ties at Macy's...ties made in Bangladesh, shirts made in China. And repubitards buy into this sort of b.s.

sanduskysteve

Meow - simple answer is - YES they all do. It's the same as Romney's bobble-heads made in China - BY HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW's factory!

Riskkbreaker

I hear Trump offered Obama 10 million dollars to release his college transcripts.
Trump feels pretty certain that Obama enrolled as a foreigner to receive foreign aid loans.

John Harville

Why not make it $20 million? Actually it was $5 million for his transcripts and passport application. So. You have about as much credibility as Trump - just not the fodder to feed your bull.

Contango

@ John Harville:

Mr. Obama also gave up his law license. Didja ever wonder why he wants to leave no paper trail?

You're so trusting. Wanna buy the Linwood Bridge in Norwalk?

bullydogs1971

enjoy.....George Carlin...god rest his soul...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n...

OMG.LOL.WT_

This took place on Bill Maher show last night:
Maher: "You said Romney is the most intellectually dishonest person in politics." Rep. Frank: "I'd strike intellectually

goofus

If burger flipping is your life's goal, then I'm happy for you and your rewarding career.

John Harville

GOOFUS. The life goal of MOST Americans is shelter, feeding and educating their families, gainful employment (even honeydipping pays) and the knowledge they left things better than they found them.
Somebody has to flip the burgers, or the filet mignon, or the foie groie so you can clog your arteries. If amassing great wealth is your life's goal, then I wish you well - but we'll both end up in a hole in the ground or scattered on the lake and leave to the vultures to do as they please with the fruits of our life's work.

Contango

@ Riskkbreaker:

Mr. Obama is an opportunistic sociopath.

For him, claiming his country of birth is dependent upon what he will gain at the time.

He is an accomplished liar who excels at his art.

To question his veracity is to risk ridicule as a racist, etc. The cult of personality surrounding this man is amazing.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/1...

OMG.LOL.WT_

"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs." —Mitt Romney, during the second presidential debate
"Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs." —Mitt Romney, 45 minutes later (Oct. 16, 2012)

Contango

Approx. 70% of Americans will be "ticked off" no matter who wins.

"Should Romney win, the 28% of Americans that identify as Republican will be thrilled, and the remaining 72% will be largely upset and on edge.

Should Obama win, similarly, the 32% registered Democrat with be thrilled and the remaining 68% will be upset and on edge."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/20...

Darwin's choice

Remember these?
THE OBAMA CHRONICLES:
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”.

“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”.

“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”.

“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”.

“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”.

"I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year."

“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”.

“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration."

"I'll close Guantanamo."

"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years."

"I'll unite the people of this great country."

The Big Dog's back

Sounds like the Repub wish list.

Darwin's choice

Can you choke any more of these promises down Big Dog?

John Harville

DArwin. Source?
And yeah... it's called 'HOPE'. And the Obama 'hope' to raise us from the depths is greater than the Romney 'fear' we'll have no idea where he stands on Day 2 or Day 62 at 10 am - or Day 62 at 10:45 a.m.....

Darwin's choice

Hey, Big Dog or Coasterfan, any truth to the rumor of Obama getting truckloads of Thank You cards from President Carter?

OMG.LOL.WT_

Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God.

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_:

Did you 'actually' ever read the Book of Mormon or do you only get your info from hate-filled lefty nut propaganda?

Hillary Clinton went to the "Book of Mormon" play in NY and thought that it was funny, but she condemns an anti-Islamic video which the Admin. says caused the attack in Benghazi????

http://www.americanthinker.com/2...

John Harville

Contango. Have you ever read The Book of Mormon? The play is written BY Mormons... I, though, have read the Book of Mormon and studied the writings of the church's founders and 'saints' and 'gods' and bishops - from Joseph Smith and Brigham to the present.
From Brigham Young and others I learned that Jesus was not miraculously conceived by the Spirit but that God took human form (like the gods of the Greeks and Romans) and entered Mary's bedroom and Mary and that "Jesus was conceived in the same way as you and I" and that God "not the Spirit, is the father of Jesus".
I also learned from one of the great leaders "as Man is God was; as God is Man may become).
I also know from personal knowledge that while the Draft existed - and especially during the Vietnam war - there was a specific Selective Service deferment for Mormon men 'on mission'.
NOW FOR THE VIDEO: In that video Mohammed is portrayed as a bisexual sex fiend who rapes women and young boys, who is drunken, who... well I won't go farther. The play speaks no untruths about Mormonism. The video speaks no truth about its subject.
Now... who is spewing hate-filled propoganda.
Again... have YOU ever read the Book of Mormon?
Did YOU ever volunteer for military service?

Contango

@ John Harville:

I've seen the "Mohammed" video.

Sad that Mr. Obama had to go before the UN and apologize for our first amendment rights.

So what's the "official" WH story on the "act of terror" at Benghazi today?

John Harville

You First Amendent protectors only want to talk about 'our rights' but never mention 'our responsibilities'. The First Amendment guarantees the right to free speech but does NOT say you will not be held accountable. Speech can be libelous.. consider New York Times Co. v Sullivan.
"New York Times v. Sullivan established the actual malice standard which requires the plaintiff to prove that the publisher was aware that the statement was false and published it anyway. This places a very high burden of proof on the plaintiff in libel cases.

The concept of public figures is important in freedom of the press cases. A public figure is a person that puts themselves in the eye of the public, such as a politician or celebrity. These individuals have the burden of proof in defamation and libel cases."
The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no laws abridging...freedom of speech of the press..." CONGRESS has not made any such laws... however in several cases - like Sullivan - THE SUPREME COURT has layered interpretations of Freedom of Speech and placed restrictions.
Get off your hobby horse and realize you have a responsibility for all that you speak.

Contango

@ John Harville:

How is that case relevant in this regard?

So the video producer should be handed over to a Sharia court for trial?

John Harville

...but have you read The Book of Mormon? YOU raised the issue and now have a responsibility to respond.

Contango

@ John Harville:

My question to the other poster implied the answer to yours.

OMG.LOL.WT_

Mr. Romney is an Intellectually dishonest person.

He is an accomplished liar who excels at his art.

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_:

Mr. Romney is "intellectually dishonest"? Did you get that from Bwarney Fwank?

No comparison to Mr. Obama who sat in Rev. Wright's church for twenty yrs., but never noticed his hate-filled message until he ran for POTUS. LMAO!!!

Heck, he even threw his "avg. white" grandmother over the side when convenient.

The guy's a user of the first degree.

John Harville

Uh Oh. Romney on the ropes. Gotta drag out Rev. Wright. Do you go to church for the preacher? I go to church for the fellowship. If people stopped going to church because of the preacher, a lot of churches would be pretty empty. Do you go to church?

Contango

@ John Harville:

So you go to church for the fellowship but not the message?

John Harville

Uh yeah. I could be supremely content without a 'message'. My message comes from Jesus and the people around me who share a common faith regardless of man-made religion.
In xx years of church-going I've learned that 'messengers' come and go but the majority of souls that constitute the 'church' remain, striving each day to live the Faith as each understands the Faith.
We all come from different perspectives and thus interpret the same scriptures from different vantages - not unlike six blind men describing an elephant.

OMG.LOL.WT_

Mitt Romney: I'm the grandfather of ‘Obamacare’

"Now and then the president says I'm the grandfather of Obamacare. I don't think he meant that as a compliment, but I’ll take it. This was during my primary; we thought it might not be helpful," Romney said during a Univision candidate forum Wednesday.

Which ever way the WIND blows.....

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_ writes:

"...Romney said during a Univision candidate forum Wednesday."

Weds.? Isn't that from Sept.?

In Mr. Romney's mind it's a states rights issue, not a "one size fits all" Federal diktat.

Know the difference.

John Harville

Yeah... in September... with his Boehner Spray Tan.
Whatever Romney says or thinks, healthcare no longer is a states rights issue since the advent of Medicare and Medicaid.

Perhaps we should make disaster relief a 'states rights' issue - Gov. Christy certainly has changed his tune on THAT.

What was that other states rights issue? Oh yeah, slavery.

Contango

@ John Harville:

Reads like you prefer Anti-Federalism. Why bother having the individual states?

Not-to-worry, on their present fiscal course the M&Ms will go bankrupt along with SS.

John Harville

FEDERALISM as established by the Constitution is the sharing of power between two governments - in this case the Federal government and the individual state governments.
States want individual power over healthcare, reproductive rights, and a myriad of other things. They also want money for healthcare (Medicaid), education, highways, the list goes on all the way to disaster relief.
The states also expect to be protected from attack by a universal military.
Thus the Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation because the Confederation had no real power.
Things are blowing away in New Jersey and it's ample governor is praising the president for all the assistance... but why should Ohio - or Nebraska - be forced to contribute to the assistance? And why should New Jersey be forced to contribute to tornado cleanup in Missouri?
Why have the individual states? Perhaps because Colorado has no concept of life along a Great Lake...and Ohio has no concept of life with huge mountains...and Virginia has an ocean but no concept of life in Tennessee when the Mississippi floods? But while each state has its own unique features, there are also broad areas than can and must be addressed nationally - a disaster is a disaster is a disaster. E Pluribus Unum.

Contango

@ John Harville:

To think that political and fiscal power has not increasingly ceded toward the Federal govt. and centralized planning demonstrates naiveté.

mikel

why would we ever want photo id's to vote? hmmmmmm...

"...And a compelling video that surfaced last week, documenting a blatant attempt at voter fraud by a Virginia congressman’s campaign, shows exactly why.

The video features Democratic Rep. Jim Moran’s son, campaign field director Patrick Moran — who was later forced to resign — coaching someone on how to commit voting fraud."

"Democrats and the Obama team, of course, won’t acknowledge that voter fraud is a real concern.

But criminal cases involving ACORN in several states put the lie to that."

and dems wonder why the repubs want tougher laws!!!!!
(just for you mhl..ny post)

John Harville

When did this occur? you said that bastion of honest the nypost but didn't say when...?

John Harville

CBS news... no report of a 'blatant attempt' but a response to a question by a 'conservative journalist posing as a supporter' saying he had a 'friend' who wanted to ride around in a van and vote 'for a hundred people'. Moran's director foolishly discussed how someone could accomplish such a feat using utility bills...and how to force such documents. We also should report this 'conservative journalist' as yet unidentified was working for the guy O'Keefe who is under indictment for simila 'hidden videos' four years ago.
Moran resigned.
Is a photo ID foolproof? I mean, kids haven't been manufacturing fake photo IDs to get into bars for, what, decades?
I have been 'mistaken for' 12 other people in this area by people walking up to me and calling me by some other name or saying 'don't I know you from...?'
The diff between me and thee Mikel is my concern to make sure as much information as possible is put forth rather than just the part that supports my position.
It's called integrity.

mikel

john, apparently you have more than enough time to search this for yourself.

John Harville

...and why do you assume Republicans corner the market on preventing in-person voter fraud? It's a whole 'baby with the bathwater' issue. Dems want to assure everyone who has a right to vote, votes. Republicans want to 'prevent' an unproved imagined problem by having fewer voters (ironically they seem to think only non-white voters would think of committing fraud.). It's kinda like if you don't let your kid get a driver's license, the kid can never be in an accident - except when kid is a passenger.

Contango

@ mikel:

Pres. Obama presented his photo ID to vote.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/presi...

So minorities are disinfranchised????

John Harville

@Mikel and Contango... In Ohio you don't have to present a photo ID to vote early as the President did. But you do have to fill out a form listing the last four of your SS, your driver's license number or identifying information. Then the elections can check that identifying information with what is in the record... and your signature against the signature on file. In the pollbook you are listed as already voting so there is no chance to vote again. The same with absentee voting. Obviously this is a much better way to vote.

OMG.LOL.WT_

""""In Mr. Romney's mind it's a states rights issue, not a "one size fits all" Federal diktat.

Know the difference."""

How could anyone possibly know Romney's mind?

It changes with the wind.

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_:

You continue to spew the Obamasheeple campaign rhetoric very well. Didn't you once respond to me that you weren't an Obamabot?

What Mr. Romney 'actually' has said:

" The plan we put in place in Massachusetts deals with the 8% of our people who didn't have insurance. The 92% of people who did have insurance, nothing changes for them. If I'm President, we're going to get rid of ObamaCare and return, under our Constitution--the 10th Amendment--the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states."

States rights. Got it?

IMO, abortion should also be a states rights issue.

John Harville

IMO you state then that personhood is left to individual states? That a baby conceived in Ohio might be a 'person' at conception while a baby conceived in Michigan might not be a person until it can survive outside the womb while a baby conceived in Florida might not be a person until born or that a baby conceived in Arizona by Hispanic parents who come across the border to conceive then move back to Mexico? Ooops. I just crossed from abortion to immigration... so that would mean that Louisiana could allow Mexicans to become Louisiana citizens (which by the 14th amendment makes them US citizens. Or that Wyoming could have open borders while Minnesota had closed borders and Main could allow anyone in - including men who take 'take-off' lessons but don't take 'landing' lessons.
States Rights... yeah, I got it.

Contango

@ John Harville:

So at what age do the rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" begin?

According to our founders, from where do rights originate?

Good to read that you believe in our Federal bureaucracy to be divinely inspired and infallable.

OMG.LOL.WT_

I'm not an anybodybot or a sheeple!

"When the going gets tough, The Romney's go to France on a bicycle!"

On Dec. 31, 2006, Romney became the first major candidate in the 2008 presidential election to sign a prominent taxpayer protection pledge offered by Americans for Tax Reform, an influential anti-tax group headed by Grover Norquist.

goofus

Not a bot oh one who comes right back with DNC spin has to be a bot

Contango

@ OMG:

Not an "anybodybot"? You sure don't read like an "independent."

I agree: It's not a taxing problem; it's a spending problem.

IMO, the Dems won't quit spending and the Repubs don't have the political will to stop them, which leads us to the inevitability of a fiscal and economic collapse.

If this economy were in great shape, Mr. Bernanke wouldn’t be taking monetary action to help support it.

Ned Mandingo

Why are you people worried about one lie or who understands a quote. He is a politican, just like obamma. every promse he makes the public now will be forgot about the first day he takes office. He will be too worried about paying back the corparations that paid for his campaign. Just like obama.
Do you want to see romney lie? Got to youtube, his lies and double talk are documented there. Just like obama's.
When will people wake up and realize these "issues" are a distraction the media distributes to keep people divided. Its all a big show, it doesn't matter if romney or obama wins the same things are going to happen. they are two pupetts with the same master.

Contango

All I bleepin' know is:

Tomorrow it'll be seven weeks since the "act of terror" in Benghazi; what's the "official" WH story today?

In a corp. this putz woulda been fired by now.

John Harville

YOu just can't get over that can you? Do we have the complete 9/11 story yet?
The 2001 nine/eleven?

Contango

@ John Harville:

See the 9/11 Commission Report:

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/9...

So for you Benghazi is so yesterday?

Don't answer the question, just obfuscate like your political Messiah.

John Harville

Is that anything like the Warren Commission Report and the 'magic bullet'?

+No. Four deaths is NOT 'so yesterday', anymore than those dreaded WMDs and more than 4,000 needless deaths...but I don't want another rush to a bombing raid based on a debunked FB post.
+And how long did it take to get an Iran-Contra report that whitewashed Reagan's involvement?.
+Oh yeah... and how long did it take to get to the bottom of Watergate? 8 months?

Just admit you want some way to crucify this president and we can all move on.

Contango

@ John Harville:

More obfuscation and deflection. Those are not relevant to the question at hand.

Is the WH still sticking with the video story or not?

"Crucify"? So for you he IS the Messiah? LMAO!!!

OMG.LOL.WT_

I don't really care for either candidate but I think I hate the Republican agenda more than the alternative.
They are against anything that helps the common man.
Their idol, Reagan increased the national debt per capita by 188.6%.......
They never worry about it unless they are in the minority.
I tried to give a link to the stats but filter would not accept.
Google this:
US National Debt & Interest Expense by Presidential Term, Percentage of GDP

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_:

So Pres. Carter's stagflation, gas lines and foreign policy disasters were better?

Which party controlled Congress under Pres. Reagan?

OMG.LOL.WT_

Contango: Your arguments are non sequitur.

It is unfortunate that the most powerful member of both the House and the Senate is unelected -- Grover Norquist. Those who signed Norquist's No Tax Increase Pledge have given away their power. And if a member violates that pledge, the threat of a challenger in the primaries is real. It is extremely difficult for pledgers to revoke their pledge, even if signed years ago and times have changed.

The No Tax Increase Pledge is a major cause for the stalemate in Congress. Republicans vote no for any bill that has a tax increase. And now Mitt Romney proposes a 20 percent cut, which will transfer more wealth to the wealthy. If tax decreases create jobs, where were the jobs from the Bush years?

John Harville

Let us not forget Romney meets Norquist's Five Requirements for our next president: enough digits to hold the pen and sign the taxcut bills sent to him.
Romney is a tool.

Contango

@ John Harville:

And Pres. Obama is beholding to none? :)

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