Debate reverses roles

Republican Mitt Romney is acting like a challenger who feels he has enough momentum and time to overtake the president by Election Day, two weeks from now. Judging from Monday's final debate,
Associated Press
Oct 23, 2012

 

 

President Barack Obama almost seems to agree.

Obama was clearly the more aggressive combatant in the 90-minute forum, whacking Romney's personal investment record, truthfulness and overseas fundraising. Romney, meantime, went out of his way to blunt his differences with the president on several key foreign policy matters — supposedly the debate's focus — and to appear calm, moderate and non-threatening.

Romney's approach was one typically taken by front-runners: First, do no harm. Don't stir the pot. Keep the clock running.

Obama's forcefulness appeared chiefly aimed at discouraged Democrats who might not bother voting, rather than at the sliver of undecided voters in the handful of states still in play. Romney is not the benign, acceptable alternative he claims to be, Obama seemed to be saying, and I, your president, am finally willing to fight tooth and nail for a second term after sleepwalking through the first debate, which triggered Romney's rise in the polls.

"It's all get-out-the-vote now," said Matt Bennett, a veteran of Democratic campaigns. "If you're undecided now, you ain't voting."

"Obama will win the debate on points," Bennett said, "but it won't matter much."

A number of other Democrats shared that view. Interest in the third and final debate probably suffered, they said, from voter fatigue, competition from televised football and baseball games, and the official topic — foreign policy — in a campaign dominated by jobs and the economy.

These Democrats, however, don't necessarily think Obama will lose. Some feel Romney took a big gamble by being so tame in the final face-to-face encounter.

Obama still holds a slight edge in Ohio in most independent polls. It's the state that can almost seal the president's re-election if he holds it, because it would force Romney to sweep virtually every other contested state, including tough Wisconsin.

Romney's stay-the-course demeanor Monday points to confidence that his slight rise in the polls will continue, even if only a smidgen of voters are truly undecided. Democrats note that many thousands of people are already voting through early balloting programs in key states.

The election's outcome may turn on whether Obama's get-out-the-vote ground troops can outrun Romney's momentum. Polls show Romney doing considerably better among likely voters, as opposed to registered voters. That gives Obama's volunteers a chance to hunt down thousands of "soft supporters," and persuade them to get to a polling place.

From the debate's opening minutes, Romney showed no appetite for verbal fisticuffs. Moderator Bob Schieffer invited the former Massachusetts governor to critique Obama's handling of the fatal attack on a U.S. Consulate in Libya, a topic Romney had fumbled in the second debate, six days ago.

Romney showed no interest. Instead, he congratulated the president on the killing of Osama bin Laden, hoping to negate an Obama strong point as quickly as possible.

Throughout the evening, Romney continued a recent trend of moderating his foreign policy positions. He seemed bent on presenting himself as a sound commander in chief, even if it required him to narrow his differences with the president.

Romney offered unusual praise for Obama's war efforts in Afghanistan, declaring the 2010 surge of 33,000 U.S. troops a success and asserting that efforts to train Afghan security forces are on track to enable the U.S. and its allies to put the Afghans fully in charge of security by the end of 2014.

Romney said U.S. forces should complete their withdrawal on that schedule. Previously he has criticized the setting of a specific withdrawal date.

And on Iran, Romney mollified his previous criticism of Obama's sanctions policy. He stressed that resorting to war to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon would be a last option, softening the hawkish tone that had been a hallmark of his campaign.

Longtime GOP strategist Terry Holt defended Romney's soft touch.

"His first goal is to appear presidential," Holt said. "This is not a grand jury where all he has to do is indict. People are looking to him for presidential qualities. Cool, calm and clear."

Obama, by contrast, looked for every chance to criticize Romney on as many topics as possible.

"Governor, when it comes to our foreign policy, you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s, just like the social policies of the 1950s and the economic policies of the 1920s," Obama said.

He chided Romney for having said Russia was America's greatest geopolitical foe. "The Cold War's been over for 20 years," Obama said.

"Presidents always have an advantage when debating foreign policy," said Republican consultant Matt Mackowiak. "Romney did well enough tonight to maintain his momentum and win this race."

Obama has 14 days to stop that momentum. He plunges in immediately Tuesday with events in Delray Beach, Fla., and Dayton, Ohio. On Wednesday and Thursday the president plans to campaign in Iowa, Colorado, California, Nevada, Florida, Virginia and Ohio.

Romney and his running mate, Paul Ryan, on Tuesday were headed to Nevada and Colorado. Romney planned to campaign Wednesday in Nevada and Iowa, and Thursday and Friday in Ohio.

Neither ticket can afford to write off the other competitive states. But Ohio seems destined to be the testing ground of whether Obama's tiny lead and big ground operation can hold off Romney's October momentum.

Comments

Contango

@ 4shizzle:

As a country, the U.S. has the largest GDP and remains the second largest exporter in world. Keep whining.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publ...

China is the LEAST of our problems.

shucks

@ contango

Who's whining?
I just responded to 2 Cents comment.
Isn't Walmart an American corporation selling Chinese products?
You should take a break from commenting, it's driving you crazy.

the office cat

Then why is Romney making such a hullabaloo about it? One of his 'first day' activities will be to declare China a 'currency manipulator'.

shucks

Maybe you or me are missing the point.
Can you tell an American corporation not to sell Chinese products?
Isn't that a violation of freedom?
Isn't that "trickle down government"?

the office cat

Have you ever played China Tag or China Bingo at a large hyphenated super store? Teens play it. The winner is the one who can find something not made in China...

sanduskysteve

Just remember - Romney's OWN BOBBLE-HEADS are made in China, at a factory run by Ann Romney's brother! Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black??

Also, there are TONS of things sold in Wal-mart which is not made in China - and those same things (in fact, most things in Walmart) are sold at every other big box store in the country. The issue at hand with walmart - really is that they are business smart and can sell at lower prices - most due to their size - not China. The major China product in Walmart is the same China stuff sold in other big box stores. Including most of the food, which is the largest selling product in walmart.

coasterfan

I think the title of this article got it right. The last 2 debates absolutely reversed the roles. Obama has re-asserted himself as the frontrunner, and both he and his supporters are re-energized. By early in the 3rd debate, Romney looked tired and every bit the frustrated longshot. The facial expressions and body language were very telling to anyone who watched; Romney clearly understood early on that he was losing another debate. When you look older than Joe Biden, and you're onstage stuttering away, while a youthful Obama sits cool and in command only 3 feet away, it's not a good thing...

Of course, Romney's real problem is that he also lost the debate on SUBSTANCE. With his lack of experience in Foreign Policy, he brought a knife (ok bayonet) to a gun fight. To Obama, it had to seem like shooting fish in a barrel.

Obama is still up 4-5 points in Ohio, and the last time I checked the CNN projections a few days ago, Obama has a likely 271 electoral votes to Romney's 191 (270 needed to win). Quite simply, Romney needs to win most or all of the 7 swing states to pull off an upset. Don't see that happening.

Not in Ohio, where there are 3 Obama field offices for every Romney office. Not after the Prez won the last 2 debates, with Romney appearing powerless to do much of anything during the final, other than to agree with Obama on numerous occasions. Not while unemployment and gas prices continue to drop, both in Ohio and nationally. Not when Romney ads say unemployment is going up, when everyone knows it's going down. Romney the man and his campaign have less credibility with each passing day. Momentum swing to Obama...

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Reads like you watched the third "debate" on the Comedy Channel with subtitles and the sound turned off.

Pres. Obama won the first debate? Seriously?

Better inform the boys and girls at MSNBC. Ol' Chris Matthews had 'something' running down his leg other than a tingle.

http://www.businessinsider.com/c...

MHL

I have noticed once again where your reading comprehension skills haved failed you Contago.
This is happening alot lately.
Not one to question your senility my friend but Obamacare covers Romnesia.
Seriously though I have reread coasterfriends comments 5 times and nowhere did he say Obama won the first debate.

mikel

"Not in Ohio, where there are 3 Obama field offices for every Romney office"

simple explanation for this. most of romney supporters are simply working so they can support most of prezo's supporters who are not!! thus, they have more free time.

the office cat

Thanks @Mikel. Just got back and it's been so much fun reading you and your distinctively distorted spin on things...

Republicans are sure they've got it. Their great organizing event is taking Obama signs (and leaving all the other Dems signs) from yards - or just vandalizing them. Typical.

MHL

Funny because when I left for work this morning there were hAlf as many comments mostly by you right wingers including yourself.
So let me ask you Mikel are you working hard or hardly working (Tired line I know) But really if you are sitting at your computer all day commenting on this websight I would have to say you are hardly working and should be dismissed from any furthur discussion.
Dose your boss know what your up to?

mikel

mhl, i guess when you have your own business you can make time to do these things. check your timeline today. only a couple posts prior to 330 area. you should try it sometime. go ahead, jump in. spend your own money and see how it feels. common big guy, don't be afraid. it's ok, i know you don't have the guts and it's always easier on the receiving end.

Randy_Marsh

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2012... 237 to 206 on CNN
Rut roh! Someone is losing ground?

Contango

Nov. 7 should be an interesting day:

Pres. Obama re-elected - stock market swoons

Gov. Romney elected - stock market rises

Remember this.

It's 'still' the economy Obamasheeple. Foreign policy is far down on voters list of importance.

NO NEED FOR HOPE WHEN YOU HAVE CHANGE - FORWARD SOVIET!

sanduskysteve

Foreign Policy IS important when one of the candidates wants to increase defense spending so he can start yet another war!

Riskkbreaker

I heard it is not an increase, just putting a stop to the cuts that Obama will allow to take effect

To label it an increase, one has to assume that it is well-advised to allow the cuts Obama will allow in the first place.

Contango

@ sanduskysteve:

And Mr. Obama hasn't killed enough people in countries like Libya, Pakistan and Somalia?

So you think that Mr. Romney would kill more innocents without a Nobel Peace prize?

sanduskysteve

That is sooo stupid it doesn't even deserve an answer.

OMG.LOL.WT_

Nov. 7 should be an interesting day:

Pres. Obama re-elected - stock market rises

Gov. Romney elected - Austerity measures assured-stock market tanks

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_:

Obviously "opinions" vary.

We shall see won't we?

Also watch Congress; a re-elected Pres. Obama could be a lame duck from day one.

☭ FORWARD SOVIET! ☭

2cents's picture
2cents

Yep, jobs and the economy kids!

MIDLAND, Mich. — The Dow Chemical Co. will eliminate about 2,400 jobs and close roughly 20 manufacturing facilities as part of a restructuring plan aimed at coping with slowing economic growth in Europe and elsewhere.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/...

the office cat

Yet not once in the debates did anyone mention the deep effect Europe will have on our markets... like yesterday when Spain affected the NYSE.

Contango

@ the office cat:

Yea, that European style socialism is working great ain't it?

Maybe we should try it here? :)

the office cat

Wee've been doin' it here since the conclusion of Ratification of the Philadephia Convention.
Only now we're getting closer to Mussolini's Italy where Corporations and PeopleCorps are buying the country.

Contango

@ the office cat:

Our founders wanted to distance themselves from the political and social servitude of Europe.

Il Duce praised FDR for his New Deal.

Nationalization of Fannie, Freddie, AmTrak and GM - Il Duce would be proud!

mikel

actually, putty tat, poor economic forecasts for the good ol usa sunk the stocks more than spain. but i know that is hard for you to swallow because prezo has totally eliminated the unemployment field right?

""12:01PM EDT October 23. 2012 - NEW YORK -- Stocks were trading sharply lower Tuesday after a new batch of weak earnings reports from major U.S.
companies reinforced fears that the economy remains fragile. "

OMG.LOL.WT_

1929 all over again, about to become 1937 all over again.

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_:

And if Israel and Iran go at it, it'll be 1939 "all over again."

An estimated 60 million dead in the last world war. Think we can top it?

the office cat

OMG.. yep 1937 when things were going well and Repubs had some control and FDR agreed to work with them and the economy dipped again.

Contango

@ the office cat:

FDR raised taxes in 1937 and the economy took a dip.

Kinda sounds like the same stupidty Mr. Obama likes to squawk about.

the office cat

@Contango... FDR decreased spending and then lessened controls on business while only slightly elevating taxes. But economists with much greater minds than mine still argue this today. So, I'll yield to the master.

Contango

@ the office cat:

Kindly find me a "sensible" economist who suggests raising taxes during an economic slowdown?

Does Mr. Obama even have any economic advisors left?

the office cat

I would - 80 of them who are in the thick of corporate management every day - but then I would be disciplined for posting the same information in more than one blog.

Contango

@ OMG.LOL.WT_:

It’s already the 1930s.

The "bread lines" and "soup kitchens" are being hidden byway of billions of dollars worth of Federal entitlement and welfare checks in the mail.

Technically, the U.S. has been in an economic depression since Dec. '07 and Pres. Obama (and Pres. Bush) with the help of Mr. Bernanke have just "papered" it over with debt.

If the street lights work and the mail gets delivered, most citizens are under the illusion that everything is OK.

Increasing debt is like putting frosting on a rotten cake - it only looks good on the outside and only for a time.

☭ FORWARD SOVIET! ☭

the office cat

SWelfare checks in the mail? Really? Thought it all was cards or DD. Hmmmm.
....and the trains run on time?

Contango

@ toc:

So you're OK with 48 million Americans on food stamps?

Pres. Obama buying votes with cash and prizes.

the office cat

I'm distressed that so many Americans have been forced to food stamps (esp. having experienced them myself) and the crash of 2007-08 and loss of 800,000 jobs a month that make it necessary.
I'm distressed that so few wealthy Americans have stepped forth to share in the responsibility of helping those less fortunate.
Ya know, we live very modestly on the income in which we invested in a combined 85 years of active employment, but we still give 10% - before taxes - to charities. Kind of 'rendering unto God'.

Contango

@ the office cat:

The wealthy aren't giving enough to charity and so need to be taxed more so that the govt. can dispense the largess?

10%? Good for you.

mikel

maybe you can ask your boy biden when he's around why he only gave $300 in donations last year!!! what a loser he is.

sanduskysteve

LOL and Bidden paid tax on the rest. It's kind of a play on "money" isn't it? Which one helps us (in general) the best? Those who give millions to their church so they don't have to pay taxes on it? Or those who only give away a little and actually pay tax on the rest of it? I'd say the ones paying the taxes do the most good for all of the country.

Remember, Romney's crap donations to the Mormon church is NEVER taxes at any level once it hits the church's door. And Romney only donates it so he can 1) BRAG and 2) keep it away from the american people that he so despises in that 47% he doesn't care about which are the poor according to him and can take care of themselves. And under Romney - how will they take care of themselves? They won't. Talk about "death panels"?

the office cat

Maybe because like a lot of the rest of us Biden doesn't give money so he can deduct it from his taxes (Mitt's other $2 million will be 'adjusted' after the election). And his $4 million is 10% of his $250 million income - as his church requires? If the church knew how much is off-shore,....
Joe 'claimed' $300 in donations... some of us 'real Christians' believe true charity is given without boast.
I don't claim my church contributions because a tithe is required by the Bible to be 'off the top' ie: before taxes. Taking a deduction on such a gift is like 'taking back' and not making the full tithe.

the office cat

@Mikel. you mean the $300 he claimed?

Darwin's choice

And yet, your hero Joe Biden, with all his millions gave what, Cat??? The "wealthy" you talk about starts in Washington. Good luck getting money from them!

the office cat

so I don't get smacked for double posting, see the above. You and I and Mikel don't know what Joe and Jill gave - only what they claimed. The 'wealthy' starts in Washington? Like all those career Republican legislators who are guaranteed their salaries/pensions for life after 5 years? You gotta be careful where you sling the manure - cuz it's gonna hit a lotta your 'buds'.

KURTje

Ya ......like you know war. Sounds like little teddy nugent in here.

the office cat

Best part of comin' back from the west is cat-ching up with yall. Good to know most of you - and the Moderator - are as right-wing as ever. Keeps us on our pussytoes.

Contango

Oops!

WH emails reveal that Mr. Obama knew that Benghazi was a terrorist attack within hours, but still went with the video story and still continues to blather about it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2...

shucks

Here is the headline of that article:
" White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails"
Two hours AFTER the attack.
Bush was warned BEFORE the attack.
What's your point?

Contango

@ 4shizzle:

So why the idiotic video story - to this day???

shucks

I don't know what you are referring to.

Contango

@ 4shizzle:

According to the WH, what caused the "act of terror" in Benghazi???

shucks

I don't know.

Maybe their underwear was too tight.

the office cat

OOOPS OOOOOOPS! ABC Oct. 20 -- “Right now, there isn’t any intelligence that the attackers pre-planned their assault days or weeks in advance,” said a U.S. intelligence official.
”The bulk of available information supports the early assessment that the attackers launched their assault opportunistically after they learned about the violence at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.”
But the official added that “no one is ruling out that some of the attackers may have aspired to attack the U.S. in Benghazi.”

Thus terrorist groups 'opportunistically' claimed responsibility - like that has never happened before.

Contango

@ the office cat:

So when and where has the WH EVER used the term "terrorist attack"?

Seems like they brought some heavy toys to play with for it to be spontaneous.

Either Mr. Obama lied or he's incompetent - which is it?

the office cat

Did you read the Reuters story and followups?

"A third email, also marked SBU and sent at 6:07 p.m. Washington time, carried the subject line: "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack."

The message reported: "Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli."

And.. "This was an open-source, unclassified email about a posting on a Facebook site. I would also note I think that within a few hours, that organization itself claimed that it had not been responsible. Neither should be taken as fact -- that's why there's an investigation under way," he told reporters -Jay Carney in Reuters.

So based on posts on Facebook and Twitter we should send in the planes? Seems the president was... uh... 'presidential'.

Contango

@ the office cat:

So what's the "official" WH story today? Was it still a spontaneous demonstration due to the video?

It's been six weeks.

Either Mr. Obama lied or is incompetent - which is it?

Darwin's choice

No, Cat, the president was lying. Your continued denial of the facts is very "democratic".

sanduskysteve

Hmmm - you guys realize this sounds just like the load of crap from the original 9/11 attack - except it is on the other side that time. The GOP was soooo upset that Bush was accused of lying about WMDs. After 8 years of George Bush, I would be lying if I didn't honestly consider possible not him lying, but him being incompetent. I would also enjoy considering the same ruling when it came to the actual attack in NYC. Afterall - there was tons of intelligence indicating that this attack was planned and actually would take place. But upon orders from higher ups, there was no security and not even an attack plane in the area AFTER the first plane. No one could get someone on the phone (conveniently) to get any kind of decisions made.
So, which is really worse when it comes to not being prepared? Obama or Bush? And Bush's lies continued until after we were already waist deep in a war, THEN he admitted he had bad intelligence. And all of the Republicans wanted us to stop hounding him as he had already admitted he made a mistake. Yep, just like the mistake he made when he was asked later, "What about Bin Ladden" and he replied with he wasn't concerned about him anymore.

Folks, this is YOUR hero I'm talking about. Obama is no where near to his level yet - leave Obama alone.

the office cat

Oh Darwin. The President wasn't lying. You just want to simplify a complex issue involving many different parts.\
Aw shucks. You just wanna call the president a liar. Whatever gets you through the day.

the office cat

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS. Egyptian demonstrators climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo today (9/11/12) and pulled down the American flag to protest a film they say is insulting to the prophet Mohammad.

Update at 2:07 p.m. ET: CNN reports that U.S. security guards fired a volley of warning shots as the crowd gathered outside the embassy walls.

CNN adds that the embassy had been expecting a demonstration and cleared all diplomatic personnel earlier from the facility."

So, there was warning of a demonstration and following US policy, embassy personnel were removed. Should we assume personnel in Bengazi were less diligent at following US policy? Or perhaps there was no prior warning but terrorists chose to use the Cairo events as an 'excuse' to gather and attack?
Somehow, I don't think even a President Romney would micromanage actions at all the US embassies around the world....oh, but there is that magic underwear thing.

Contango

@ the office cat:

It was Sept. 11th and security at our diplomatic missions wasn't beefed up???

Islamists are into symbolism.

Heck, bin Laden thought that our entire economic system would collapse with the falling of the twin towers.

Either Mr. Obama lied or is incompetent - which is it?

the office cat

Where does it say security wasn't 'beefed up'? In fact Reuters reported the Ambassador and others were in safe room in interior and Marines were doing their jobs destroying documents. But the attackers sprayed the compound bldings with some kind of fuel fire and the Ambassador suffocated from the smoke.
Why don't you give us your real name so we can write you in for president? Obviously you'd be sooooooooo good at 'first-guessing' things.

Contango

@ the office cat:

Wasn't one story that the Repubs were to blame because they cut spending for diplomatic security and now you want to tell me that it was 'adequate'?

Why don't you give me your real name as a spokesperson for the WH?

So what's the "official" WH house story today; video, spontaneous demonstration, "act of terror"?

Randy_Marsh

So repeated attempts at getting better security being turned down by the state dept who paid a british firm to hire locals and 2 seals is "Beefed up"? http://www.reuters.com/article/2... Gimmie a break, How many marines were there? Give you a good idea if you read somthing http://www.washingtontimes.com/n...

the office cat

...and George Bush knew right after he took office that bin Laden was just awaiting an opportunity to attack.
...and nobody questioned why jet-pilots in training didn't want to bother to learn about landing jets.
...and nobody paid attention to the Canadian border when the terrorists were coming in - but we needed to do something about those dark-skinned folks crossing the Rio Grande.

Contango

@ the office cat:

So is your argument that both Presidents Obama and Bush were incompetent?

Mr. D

Tango, you need to read the whole article, not just the headline. Especially the part about information being sparse and was beong analyzed as it became available. Nothing here, only your teatard jibberish!

the office cat

"The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood -- was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." -- Brigham Young

Randy_Marsh

Not to get all conspiracy theory on everyone but there is no embassy in Bengahzi, http://www.usembassy.gov/ Notice Benghazi is not on the list. There was only a newly opened consul. http://libya.usembassy.gov/en_08... Opened in aug 26 2012 in a highly adverse area. The Consul was in operation for all of 2 weeks with everyone one involved screaming they needed higher security for that area. Weird huh?

the office cat

sooo... why was he called an 'ambassador'?

Randy_Marsh

He was the ambassador but was not in Tripoli where the actual embassy was. Weird huh?

the office cat

and yet, if you bother to read, everything was done accoring to Congressional policy. The Ambassador was in the saferoom deep in the compound but died of smoke inhalation when the terrorists sprayed the building with fuelfire of some sort, setting it on fire.

But, if I hadn't already voted, I'd be writing in Contango/Marsh for P/VP cuz you are so wonderful at determining foreign policy and domestic financial policy and knowing all about woulda coulda shoulda...

Contango

@ the office cat:

That still doesn't answer the question of whether it was a planned or a spontaneous attack.

Why the cover-up?

Write us in? Nah, you still woulda voted for "He-who-should-never-be- questioned."

the office cat

It does answer the question. You just don't wanna 'get it'. What if it was 'planned' as far as weapons, logistics, maneuvers, etc. BUT to put into place when events made it most possible?
Ya know... events in Cairo and Tripoli were a great distraction to give a window of opportunity. Everythiing was in place to GO.
Not sayin' that's what happened but... In our own history Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation weeks before he made it because he wanted a Union victory to make it more enforceable.
We didn't just suddenly load the atomic bomb on a plane and head for Japan. It was planned and developed for months - even loaded - but awaited the right time.
Ike planned an invasion into France but the date kept changing. Then in horrendous weather, he set it in motion because Intelligence determined the tanks were somewhere else and Germany was unprepared.
I think they call that 'strike while the iron is hot'?
Ya know... like when you got all your money sittin' there ready to invest when prices drop or the opportunity is best and 'hit' the button on your computer and get even more riches about which you can brag here.

Contango

@ the office cat:

So after six weeks, what is the "official" WH position?

I went to whitehouse.gov and state.gov - nothing new from over one month ago.

Gotta think that Mr. Obama is trying to lay low until after the election.

shucks

.

the office cat

Can't wait to see what the tea party moderator dumps next.
She probabaly hasn't even noticed Sandusky County is tagged as one of the 100 key counties nationwide in the Obama campaign strategy.

Contango

@ the office cat:

I wouldn't worry about Sandusky and Erie Co. votin' and goin' Socialist this yr.

Mr. Obama and the Progs have adequately bought 'em with cash and prizes.

The Big Dog's back

Poor, poor winnie.

Contango

@ brutus:

So after six weeks, what's the "official" WH story on Benghazi today?

The Big Dog's back

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights) and Libel and defamation.

Randy_Marsh

When all else fails, Blame bush. How about you quit covering for Obama who is doing the same things you claim Bush has done? Oh i forgot Bush is white and we all know how much you hate them.

MHL

It sounds to me like the anti-Obama crowd favors Al Queda over Obama .
Sad

Randy_Marsh

So questioning a president who, 1 Either doesnt know anything about what happened because the slots were hot in Vagas or 2 Knows what happend but likes to make up storys to cover his admin from a obvious failure is wrong in your eyes? Go back to watching your daily dose of MSNBC propaganda and being election fodder for the dems.

shucks

Continue to suck up on the Fox News lies and red herrings.

Randy_Marsh

Please link me facts according to the president other than "A bunch of kids who didnt like a movie who blew up a embassy filled with Marines that we sent to protect them" when everyone with a brain can see thats NOT what happened. You wonder why people call the Dems sheep.
You lie, Fox news,Red herring,Blaming Bush or any other dumb remark is not a fact and cannot be accepted.

the office cat

The Marines are not there to protect the embassy or its employees. The Marines are assigned to destroy sensitive documents. But, what do you care?
The US was supposed to go out and kill random Libyans because some radical group posted responsibility on FB and Twitter? And then later the REAL group denied it? When did YOU retire from the Marines on foreign duty?

Randy_Marsh

Cat
There were no marines there. Read my post again they had 20 local employees from a british security agency and 2 Seals.

the office cat

Already that a day ago... but maybe Sarah removed it because it smacked of truth. It was all about the Cairo and Tripoli embassies. And there IS that $1 million bounty by the Taliban on the head of the Egyptian Coptic Christian (!) who made the film.

shucks

Sorry, your highness but you believe in lies and chase red herrings.

Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
Somehow you double posted and my answer to this, Well whatever this is, Is at the bottom of this page.

the office cat

Yeah... it was one of us who texted about Obama's "shuck and jive schtik" - a loudly racist and ethnic comment.

Contango

@ the office cat:

Yea, and Mr. Obama (or Joe Biden) has never gone into a black dialect on the campaign trail has he?

And he's never fueled racial hatred has he?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...

the office cat

Show me... and don't try to use that youtube as your proof.

Oh. sorry. it's time to quit work at my non-government job... wish I had a job.

Contango

@ the office cat:

It's a just a straight video if you'd bother to click on. I've have looked at your opinionated propaganda - this is no such thing.

Yea right; never try to use any "facts" as proof when trying to convince an Obamasheeple that his Messiah is a fraud.

the office cat

Really Con? So why is the Sandusky County Rep Chair predicting a Romney landslide in his 2-1 Republican county?

Contango

@ the office cat:

Don't give up hope. Believe in your Messiah.

the office cat

Believe in Jesus? Oh yes! But Jesus (who, unlike the Mormons, I also believe is God and Spirit in ONE) doesn't partake in elections or their outcomes...
but comes forth when we exercise our free will and get ourselves into trouble as a result of elections to support us in trying to clean up the mess through Grace.
Unlike Mitt Romney, Barach Obama doesn't believe he is a god (Mormon Doctrine: As Man is God was. As God is Man may become.) He merely seeks the help of the Messiah ("I have often gone to my knees") to do what is right and good. Has Mitt EVER mentioned God or Jesus (who BTW Brigham Young stated Jesus was conceived the same way as you and I, IS God's flesh and blood - and not the Spirit's - and therefore is a separate being).
So, yes, I will rely on our Messiah to be here to help when the president is re-elected or when America takes another trip off a Bush cliff.
Thank you for asking.
...and now we all await your attack.

Contango

@ the office cat:

So you don't believe that if JC were alive that he woulda been a Dem?

Yea, the LDS have a lot of 'interesting' beliefs, not unlike the entire mishegas of Judeo-Christian mythology.

So anyways, just have faith in your 'political' Messiah. He came here from Kenya, Hawaii or maybe another galaxy in order to tend his flock of faithful sheeple.

shucks

Cat,
You are correct on Mormon doctrine and everything else.

goofus

Somebody like a DNC bot should research by googling Jamie Gorelick and the Clinton Wall. Then one can truly see why intelligence wasn't comparing notes prior to 911!!!! Office cat a truly remarkable DNC bot in the Rham Emmanuel tradition.

Darwin's choice

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the office cat

Darwin... someday, right after Obama wins, I'm going to demonstrate how wrong you can be and how far off from reality your posts and opinions are. And then you weep.

Darwin's choice

Is this a threat cat? Not on your best day............

Darwin's choice
MHL

Remember that is the day you should vote Darwin in 87days

Contango

@ MHL:

Regarding the attack at Benghazi: Pres. Obama is either incompetent or is lying; which is it?

Check out Whitehouse.gov or state.gov.

Anything to do with Benghazi is over one month old.

What's the "official" WH story today?

☭ FORWARD SOVIET! ☭

Contango

MHL writes:

"It sounds to me like the anti-Obama crowd favors Al Queda over Obama ."

"Al Queda"? Is that some kind of Italian cuisine?

If so, Yes, I probably would prefer it over Mr. Obama.

MHL

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the office cat

Just heard an action - in its infancy - is underway to bring suit against Sarah and The Register for bias and discrimination. Just sayin'

Randy_Marsh

So im free to sue Huff ington for bias now? Awesome!!

the office cat

Marsh... not for bias... unless it's disproportinately applied to some while allowing the same actions to continue by others. For example, for months posters here have been saying - without Moderator action - that I post from my 'government job'. Though it's not true - which makes it libel - it is personal and perhaps identifying information and an effort at intimidation.

If you look closely, you will notice a plethora of 'removals' of certain persons for far less serious infractions than others who remain.

Bias? No. Slander and libel? Yes.

There is another publishing company in Ohio that - because of the virulence in 2008 - was forced to remove its blogs and instead insist commentors post through FB using their real names.

So. The standard is set. There also have been two successful lawsuits in Ohio forcing publishing companies to release personal information about persons posting in order for those individuals to be sued.

So Be It.

Randy_Marsh

Cat
Re-read your post. "Just heard an action - in its infancy - is underway to bring suit against Sarah and The Register for bias and discrimination."
In between the words "For" and "And" there is a word that looks an aweful lot like "Bias" but i may be mistaken.

the office cat

@Marsh/... read again the response. "...unless it is disproportionally applied..."
Liability for bias attaches when the publication is given an opportunity to correct (or in this case, remove) the article or item.

Contango

@ the office cat:

You, I and others are writing under pseudonyms.

To suggest that one can libel or practice discrimination against the writings of a pseudonym is absurd.

Man or woman up, take your deletions and move on.

ScootBaby

If you're that bothered by it, why don't you do something about it? I assume you have a phone and you clearly have email, as do (I also assume) the folks at the Register. You might be able to sue for that, but I'd think you would have to be able to prove that you actually tried to have that stuff removed. Also, I'd be interested in hearing which company was FORCED to use FB for comments (not blogs - these aren't blogs, let's stop calling them that). Furthermore, just because publishing companies have to release personal info to the police or laywers, that doesn't mean they have to let everyone have everyone else's info.

the office cat

Scoot. Have called. Proof of request for removal is copied along with everything else here. Check a couple of Gannett papers - especially one to the south. Who said they have to make everyone's info public?

the office cat

MARSH.. it's a wonder of our republic that you always are free to sue. Winning is another verse of the same song.

Contango

@ the office cat:

I wouldn't be surprised if people attempt to sue the SR all the time.

I'd like to see some loser pay legislation.

So, do you subscribe and help support these blogs financially?

Ever heard of the Federalist Papers? Pseudonyms - it's an old tradition.

the office cat

@Contango. "pay legislation"?
Pseudonyms and noms-de-plum and the like are an old tradition - not unlike "poor Richard's Almanac". So is 'alias' and 'aka'. You and I can call ourselves anything we choose - as long as it's not an effort to engage in illegal acts or commit fraud or threaten violence or physical harm behind a veil of anonymity.
No... don't subscribe.

Contango

@ the office cat:

"Loser pays" legislation. Helps to prevent frivolous lawsuits.

I subscribe to the NR. Liberals like "free" while using OPM.

the office cat

@ there already are 'loser pays' laws in Ohio... any judge may declare a lawsuit frivolous. Perhaps that's why the action is in its infancy...?

Contango

Too funny.

Pres. Obama says that he wants wind turbines to be manufactured in China:

http://nation.foxnews.com/presid...

Guess the guy's tired from campaigning too long and hard to save his job.

Good thing that Mr. Romney didn't say this; imagine the uproar from the lefties?

the office cat

Con. Fox NATION, not Nation, not Fox News. And he immediately corrected the statement.. "I DON'T want them manufactured in China, I want them....in America." But, just like Faux, you only repeat part of it with an intent to inflame. Isn't that against the 'rules' here?

shucks

@ office cat

The GOP HATED Obama before he was even inaugurated.

The GOP aren't fair and balanced.

They are a very hate filled and unreasonable organization.

sanduskysteve

Just thought I'd mention Delphi again since this is a key point in Ohio and Romney was the cause - thru his "get rich no matter who it effects" way of thinking. You guys just don't see this if you are a republican because you are so bent on getting O out of office even if it means putting in R&R who will actually eliminate every single one of you from jobs, voice, and savings, retirement, and medicare. Blind people following the money trail - best way to become part of the very poor begging on the street for food.

Paste from National Memo:
"As Greg Palast reported in The Nation, Romney and his wife made millions off an auto parts company called Delphi after it was bought for pennies on the dollar by Romney’s partner (and one of his primary campaign donors) Paul Singer. Singer and his partners took billions in federal bailout dollars in exchange for continuing to supply auto parts to General Motors and Chrysler. They kept the money, stiffed the company’s pensioners, and moved 25 of Delphi’s 29 plants to China."

the office cat

@Sandusky Steve. Seems the Delphi management former employees who blame Obama for loss of their pensions just don't know or don't want to acknowledge the Romney/Bain role hmmmmm?

eriemom

@Steve: They aren't paying any attention. Have you found anything on this other than on "The Nation"? I will have a bit of time on Sunday to research. Let me know if you find anything.

shucks

@ randy marsh

Sorry your highness, but you believe in lies and chase red herrings.
And if Romney gets in, it'll be more Bush incompetency.

Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
Seriously?? Thats the best facts you have? You make a powerful argument "Your wrong, Nyaa, nyaa,nyaa" But i am unconvinced at your facts got anything else like a rebuttal that extends past the 5th grade level? Maybe a "I know you are but what am I?" or a "Your mom smells of cankle grease"? Anything man, Just anything?

shucks

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Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
??? Thats it? No facts No links No 3rd grade insults? Im shocked!!! Come on throw out a "Your a racist" for old times sake. You guys crack me up.

shucks

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Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
Thats more like it. Making me feel younger by the minute. And yes my mom does know i am on a computer, I just had to send her some links i found for a awesome recipe. Can you send a link yet or is that still on the agenda to learn? (Maybe there is not any links supporting your arguments???) Just spitballin here.

shucks

Buy a dog.

Randy_Marsh

Im afraid Obama supporters will need lunch so i do not want to get attached, I know how you guys look up to him and want to emulate him.

shucks

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4shizzle
Truth always has a way to confirm itself. A link would do fine. So far though you have yet to back up any statement with evidence pointing to it as fact. Yes i do agree i am wasting time, There is no way to make you learn anything other than what you are programmed to do or say by your belief in the messiah and MSNBC. Thats what makes it fun. In the end you will vote for who they tell you to and hold up your end of the bargain as voter stock for democrats.

shucks

See above.

Randy_Marsh

Moo? Mooo moo moo mooooo? Y U No play No More?

MHL

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MHL
HA! I cannot have a little fun on my days off? Good lord, Trying to boss people around on the net.

shucks

@ marsh
Actually, I used to watch to Fox News.
I started watching them as they covered the 911 tragedy and for months afterward.
I didn't know it was a Republican storefront.
Fox News started saying things that just didn't sound right.
For example, Fox was vehemently bashing Bill Clinton -- he was OUT of office.
I thought, What?
Then I discovered the Democratic stations and they came across more real and level headed.

Every story sounds true...until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight.

You should pull your head out of the ground and look around,unless of course this blogging is just "fun" and you get a kick out of insulting people which is characteristic of Faux News.

Randy_Marsh

4shizzle
Personally Fox is just as guilty as creating the divide in the American citizens as MSNBC or CNN. I dont like any of them as they all are owned by larger corperations with a agenda that does not benifit the US citizens. It is "Fun" and insulting people is where most of the left gets its news. Jon Ste wart or Col bert show, Ringing any bells? I like Bloomberg, RT, Aljezeera or the BBC for news. They do not have a agenda unlike your news sources, Why do I get on MSNBC? It riles you leftys up. To me thats fun and you expecting to change anyones vote or opinion by calling them names or saying "You lie" is funny. The facts are though how many times have i linked Fox news to you? I link huf fington more than Fox. I dare you to try to find a Fox link from me because i refuse to watch it as i do with the rest of the bought out media. On my time off its great that i can have fun repudiating your MSM rhetoric.

shucks

@ marsh

Vote Romney !!!

(I hope your mother doesn't need a Social Security check or Medicare.)

Contango

@ 4shizzle:

SS or "Mediscare"? It doesn't matter if "Obamney" is elected.

The Fed debt ceiling will soon need to be raised once again.

Don't you remember last yr. When Pres. Obama scared seniors by tellin' them that their SS checks might not go out?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

Pres. Obama - Fear, Greed and Power.

the office cat

Con... sometimes the truth is scary. If the Congress hadn't acted, the gfovernment would have shut down BEFORE SS checks were mailed. It wasn't a threat...more of a warning.

Contango

@ the office cat:

So if the debt ceiling isn't raised we'll go through it again yes?

the office cat

4shizzle: Aw. And you were doing so well with Obama-speak.

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