Jobs report gives Obama boost

President Barack Obama celebrated much-needed good economic news Friday as the unemployment rate dropped to its lowest level since he took office. "We are moving forward again," he boasted. Republican rival Mitt Romney retorted that the president still hasn't done enough to help millions of people who are out of work.
Associated Press
Oct 5, 2012

 

The figures announced by the Labor Department — 114,000 new jobs last month to bring the unemployment rate to 7.8 percent — gave Obama fresh evidence on the heels of his disappointing debate performance to argue that his economic policies are working. Romney countered that the country can't afford four more years of the president's leadership and argued that the rate is low in part because some people have quit looking for work.

"These are tough times in this community," Romney told a rally outside a construction equipment store after meeting with coal miners who have been laid off. "We're going to bring back jobs and bring back America."

Obama responded that Romney wants to roll back policies that are repairing the economic damage.

"Today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points," Obama said. "It is a reminder that the country has come too far to turn back now."

The unemployment rate fell from 8.1 percent in August, matching its level in January 2009 when Obama became president. There is one more monthly unemployment report before Election Day, so Friday's numbers could leave a lasting impact on Americans who are already casting ballots in states that allow early voting.

The candidates campaigned Friday on opposite ends of one of those early voting states, Virginia. Romney, in the state's far western coal country, said he wants to develop coal and other domestic resources to make the United States energy independent in eight years. Obama focused on recruiting women at an appearance in the Washington suburbs, where he argued that his health care policy has improved their health care choices.

Obama, seeking to rebound after Romney dominated their first debate Wednesday night, is accusing his rival of being dishonest about how his policies would affect the tax bills of middle-class families and the Medicare benefits of retirees. He told an audience at George Mason University that his rival "got an extreme makeover" in their face-off.

He also argued Romney can't bring change to the country when he's "willing to write off half the nation before you take office," a reference to Romney's disparaging remarks about the 47 percent of Americans who don't pay federal income taxes. Romney made the comments at a fundraiser in May that was secretly recorded, but the videotape did not emerge until last month. Romney went as far as he's ever gone to try to take back his words in an interview Thursday night with Fox News.

"Well, clearly in a campaign, with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question-and-answer sessions, now and then you're going to say something that doesn't come out right," Romney said Thursday. "In this case, I said something that's just completely wrong."

At the White House, senior adviser David Plouffe retorted: "I would take with a huge grain of salt trying to clean something up five months after you said it for the first time."

The next presidential debate is not until Oct. 16, a town hall-style meeting at Hofstra University in New York, giving both sides ample opportunities to blanket battleground states and raise money for the final weeks of television advertising.

Romney released three new ads on Friday, offering a window into his strategy for the coming week. One, called "Facts Are Clear," focuses on the national debt and accuses Obama of wasting trillions of dollars instead of creating jobs. A second spot features Greg Anthony, a former professional basketball player from Nevada, talking about his roots in the state and his switch from backing Obama in 2008 to Romney this year.

The third spot is titled, simply, "Ohio Jobs." It features Romney looking straight at the camera to talk to voters from the Midwestern battleground state seen as critical to his White House hopes. Obama also was campaigning in Ohio on Friday.

Obama's team countered with an ad targeting Romney's tax plan, accusing him of planning to raise taxes on the middle class. The ad was airing in seven battleground states.

Romney planned a rally later in the day in St. Petersburg, Fla., kicking off a weekend of campaigning in that state, the largest of the prized battlegrounds. Obama was holding a Friday rally in Cleveland before heading to California on Sunday for a fundraising spree that will include a concert in Los Angeles featuring Jon Bon Jovi, Katy Perry and Stevie Wonder.

Traveling aboard Air Force One, Plouffe foreshadowed an intense focus on Ohio in the coming weeks, where polls have shifted in Obama's favor. No Republican has won the presidency without winning Ohio, and Obama's campaign sees blocking Romney there as one of its best paths to victory.

Plouffe said the true measure of the first debate was whether it moved voters in the battleground states. Speaking of Romney, Plouffe said: "Is he going to take the lead in Ohio? If he doesn't, he's not going to be president," he said.

 

Comments

44846GWP

Can't wait for Winnie to spin this. OBAMA 2012!

anthras

the job figures releasd makes this the highest 1 month jump in employment in the last 29 years, do you really feel that the economy is that good????????

Seriously.

Unemployment goes up and it is Obama's fault.
Unemployment goes down and you act like it's a lie.

Get off the meth redneck.

mikel

it is a lie and you need to get off the meth. the u6 which is a more accurate number shows unemployment virtually the same as last month. the media is controlled by left leaning spinsters and they can distort the numbers how they want and make people believe it. even you! now, go drink another glass of kool-aid.

jas

When the facts don't agree with your distorted view of reality, it must be because of the grand liberal media conspiracy. How pathetic.

You can disagree with the methodology used all you want but if the same methodology is used and it shows the rate going down, then it shows progress is being made. What is really spinning the facts is to do what you do and use studies that use different methodologies to determine the unemployment rate. That's comparing apples to oranges. A typical radical conservative method to distort reality.

the office cat

UH OH! Somebody's (@Mikel) candidate is in trouble because he's been saying for months that if the President - single-handedly - can't get unemployment below 8% then he shouldn't be re-elected.

Now, it's 7.8% until at least the Friday before the election so I guess that means all us early-voters are right to vote OBAMA!!!! I'll see your 'debate' and LOWER you 7.8%. Go drink your tea.

the office cat

Anthrax. "do you really feel that the economy is that good?"
Yeah, I do. Working daily with the diminishing numbers or unemployed - YES! A guy I had worked with stopped me in the store this week to tell me he's working 12/7 at $18/hr plus overtime and has recouped all he lost during a year unemployed.

Stop by a Job Store and see the tables full of job openings.

The only people really suffering are public sector employees - those firefighters, police, teachers, nurses, Rmoney says we don't need.

The economy is moving, growing - and that scares the bejesus outa all you.

mikel

cat - a couple of thoughts here:
-tell the people where they can find that job for $18+ per hour that is working 12/7.
-your statement doesn't hold water. if people would stop at the job store you own and fulfill all of those job openings that litter your table then maybe unemployment for your area would be 0%?
-tell me cat, why so many openings yet unemployment is so high. maybe the people would rather take the freebie from uncle obie then have to work for it?

the office cat

Woodbridge.
Why so many openings yet unemployment so high?
Simple. People don't have the skills necessary to take the jobs available - and that doesn't mean the jobs are too technical, it just means (you can check the stats) older employees with decades of seniority are being furloughed and their $18/hour jobs now are advertised for $9/hour with some willingness to train.
30 years ago when these (then) 20-somethings began, life expectancy was 60-65 and people would retire, live a coupla three years and die without seeking another job.
Today, 60 is the 'new 40' with an expected end-age in the 80s. Many are working well into their 70s and even 80s - even if only part-time minimum wage.
With dedication once came salary increases. With the advent of technology, companies can get more work out of fewer employees - and some just cannot adapt to the newer technology.
HOWEVER, these same long-term employees have paid 30-40 years into SS and Medicare and their employers have paid unemployment insurance and these dedicated employees are ENTITLED to the benefits they have paid for over the years.
THEREFORE, they are on the unemployment rolls LEGALLY and DESERVEDLY but most likely will not re-enter the full-time workforce.
So Mikel... it's not a 'freebie'. It's something they worked for and to which they are ENTITLED - in the truest sense of the word.

jas

People who have lost public sector jobs are still unemployed people in need of a new job. They are suffering just as much as anyone who is unemployed from a private sector job.

anthras

office cat the name is anthras in lieu of anthrax as you and big dog state. It is kind of amusing that you and big dog do that as it is reminiscent of my grade school days.

According to you the jobs office you work at must be doing a large share of the jobs in the area as the entire country advised in the last report 114,000 jobs and that does not keep up with growth.The economy is not growing.

anthras

I feel that soon part time employment will be more of a norm with Obamacare as I have talked to employers that are planning just that. It will save them the higher cost of health insurance and avoid the penalty tax for not providing health care. I do think that a way to provide a true picture of where we are would be to show each month stats for full time, part time, and those that have just quit looking

the office cat

Under which rock do you live? Part-time employment has been the norm - even in large corporations - for more than a decade. In management I was ORDERED to make sure no one was scheduled for more than 35 hours weekly because 37.5 would be full-time and require they be given benefits.
You need to get out more. I don't to which employers you are speaking as I have talked to about 30 who already are looking for the Obamacares program that will allow them to 'partner' with other very small businesses to provide health care plans.
I know the employers you have been talking to are either very small or already employing only part-time or they would be paying benefits.

anthras

I do think that in many places over 32 hours is full time for benefits. I can remember passing the Olive Garden and seeing a sign that stated waiter persons wanted and insurance starts the first week . Now Darden Restaurants is starting to go part time solely because of Obamacare and that includes Olive Garden, Red Lobster and others.
I do sell industrial maintenance supplies and have a few hundred customers and deal a lot with the maintenance supervisors however also have contact with engineers and upper management and I can tell you that many are sitting on a lot of assets that will not be used while Obama is president a few may actually shut down.

JACKEL

No one can be that stupid to believe this.You are being manipulated everyday and can not see it.Get your heads out of your xss before the missile hits.

JACKEL

I GOT SOME PROPERTY IN THE SUDAN YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN,BURIAL PLOTS !ONE WHOLE STATE NEVER REPORTED IN.I EXPECT IT TO BE 4% THE MONDAY BEFORE ELECTION.I GOT AN E-MAIL TODAY FROM ONE OF YOUR SUPPORTERS,SHE HAS HAD 3 DEER ACCIDENTS AND WOULD LIKE THE SIGNS MOVED, SO THEY WOULD CROSS LIKE AT SCHOOL CROSSINGS.SHE THINKS IT IS TOO DANGEROUS TO CROSS ON THE HIGHWAYS.SHE CALLED A MAJOR RADIO TALK SHOW HOST,I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN JOE BIDEN'S WIFE.WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR NEWS,FROM CNN,"THE COMMUNIST NEWS NETWORK "?

Darwin's choice

And the moon is made of cheese...........

The Big Dog's back

darwin, would you have been happier with less jobs?

the office cat

Of course Darwin, and Mikel and the rest would have been happier with fewer new jobs and more people out of work and more mortgages under water and more foreclosures and 130 million out of work. They would be happier with anything that could make that guy occupying the WHITE House look bad enough to lose.

JACKEL

You are totally out of touch with reality.No one would have been prouder than I if this President was more successful than any other.You really don't think he came out of nowhere,being brought up with Communist Agenda from youth,taking down the Clinton's and became president without a power behind him.These people,in power are put there by the most Powerful Organizations in the world.Now if you question what I say,look up what groups such as The Skulls,The Illuminati,The Bilderberg's etc.and you will see that all past and present power is or was members.You are why history repeats itself,the young and inexperienced are led to the slaughter blindly.Hitler was elected by the same people.When I was 7 yrs old the Japs hit Pearl,the folks around me were saying we will never enter the war.As FDR was negotiating with the Japs,the planes were in route to pearl.Those same people that said we will never be in a war were in the military a few months later.As far as job creation the trillions spent by this man there should be zero unemployment.His loyalties are more of a Muslim Nature than a Commander And Chief of our military and a Patriotic American.Any one that would bow to a Saudi King who produced Osama and the 911 Highjackers is not my President.He made the statement if it came to a choice of the Muslims or us it would be them.If his own daughter were saddled with a child he said he would abort it if it were not conducive to her life.Go to the 50 biggest lies by Obama on Snopes,which by the way has been accused of leaning your way.He has cut our military defenses to the bone.Why do you think we survived the cold war,by having a strong defense.If you re elect him, by 2016 and assuming we aren't under Muslim Domination.instead of 30cents on every dollar going to interest it will be 60 cents if we are not bankrupt.Now I am not trying to be nasty to you I just want you to think and research.You have the tools today,we had none in my youth.We never had electricity until after WW2.

KURTje

Sie wissen so viel. Witz.

JACKEL

They joke so much !

There you go again

Only 114,000 new jobs but unemployment drops. Ummm, how do you say "cooking the books."!

KnuckleDragger

Yup, they forgot to include the hundreds of thousands that have quit looking for work. Also note that they are taking credit for the part time jobs which by the way make up the majority of the new jobs created. The more telling number is the percentatage of people working part-time that want full time work has risen by over 1% in same time period. 7.5 percent to 8.6%. Obama is a part time job creator, but I guess you libs think that creating only part time minimum wage jobs is OK. Of course you would think anything that this president does is OK, regardless of how bad it is for our country. Keep guzzling that kool-aid.

the office cat

Just can't stand it, can you?
yeah, from my perspective, a part-time job is better than a no-time job and used-up unemployment benefits which knocks me out of the figures. AGAIN I note that the numbers of people who no longer register for UE are still looking for work.
But I guess you 'get-Obama-out' types would prefer children go hungry and without medical care and in crowded classrooms. ANYTHING TO WIN!

Darwin's choice

Big Dog.....I'm sick of the B.S. put out to prop this "post turtle" up! Don't you find it at all convient for this sudden "drop"in the number of unemployed? The numbers don't add up! How many people are currently living on food stamps? Do you think they are "employed" ? How about welfare? The same thing! If the number of people collecting welfare, and living on food stamps is so high, how do you explain this "drop" in unemployment? Are all those people just milking the system? There are way to many indicators that the jobs situation in our country is still quite dismal! The only explanation I will believe is the welfare/foodstamp people have used all other options, and have fallen off the "number" system! When the number of new claims for assistance is less than the unemployment claims, talk to me then about "jobs". Your leader has failed!

The Big Dog's back

Only a fool would deny that the economy is not getting better. Ohh.....

themomx6

barack obama has never had to actually accomplish anything in his life. Mitt Romney clobbered him in Wed. night's debate because he called obama out on his total lack of accomplishment in his four years as president of the United States. obama was stymied, stumped, and pissed off because no one had ever done that to him before in his whole life.

All his life guilty white liberals have carried Obama around like an egg on a pillow. At Harvard Law he was chosen editor of the Law Review without ever having written a single article. As a senator in the Illinois legislator, his main accomplishment was voting "present." Yet he became a candidate for the presidency as the darling of white elites-- in academia, in the media, in Hollywood and in the business world. His appearances with Greek columns, proclaiming that he would lower the sea levels and heal the planet, while members of the audience fainted, will be seen as the most bizarre manifestation of racism in modern times: the black man as an idol for worship to expunge guilt.

Almost immediately upon entering office he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. For what, exactly? For...well, nothing. For being what joe biden had called a "clean, articulate black man." obama never had to actually do anything. He just had to be and all doors opened for him, all rewards were heaped upon him.

When Brian Williams bowed to him in a well known video clip, he was not saying, "You are a great man, therefore I bow to you." He was saying "I am a great man, therefore I bow to you."

For more than 50 years, the word "white" has been stigmatized. It is now almost an insult. "White" and "racist" are almost equivalent in the vocabulary of liberals. obama has been their way of distancing themselves from the shame of whiteness. And so it was for the millions of whites who voted for obama simply because he was black.

Wed. night we saw the result of all this. Mitt Romney treated obama as a true equal. He held him responsible for what he has done and failed to do. He looked him in the eye-- or would have if obama dared to look up-- and said, "What have you done, Mr. President? Look at all the damage you have done by misguided action and failure to act. How can you defend yourself?" obama never heard that in his life. He expected something like McCain's puling " I'm sure Mr. obama would make an excellent president." Instead he faced a man who took him seriously, took him on as a equal, and held him to account. And obama folded.

For obama, it's pathetic. For America, it is tragic that this completely unqualified buffoon is in the Oval Office, having been carefully and delicately placed there upon a velvet pillow by white liberal racists.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a...

samiam

Well said.

football princess

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Lengthy excerpts from other websites.

buckeye15

Nice catch football princess!

KnuckleDragger

It doesn't have to be, but you're right the poster should have at least posted a citation to credit the author.

deertracker

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Katelih-Trailer...

LMAO!!! You are awesome,Princess !

football princess

Thanks for the kind words :)

the office cat

Wow! So much hatred and bigotry:
("All his life guilty white liberals have carried Obama around like an egg on a pillow.")
("having been carefully and delicately placed there upon a velvet pillow by white liberal racists.")
You just can't stand that a Black man is living in your WHITE House which incidentally was built by Africans who 'knew their place'.
Rmoney showed his true character - and God HELP us if he ever has a chance to meet with Putin or Netanyahu or Merkel or any world leader on which success depends on diplomacy.
Rmoney was rude, interruptive, repeatedly broke the rules by which he agreed to abide, preferred shouting to debating, and totally - and disrespectfully - blew off Jim Lehrer and then said he would act to fire Lehrer. Know what that's usually called? BULLYING.

Randy_Marsh

WHAMMO!! The race card gets played again! How predictable can you people be?

sanduskysteve

Sorry - but the race card was already played in momx6's post - although it was a copy and paste - it WAS a paste. However, race cards can only be played by republicans I suppose.

Concerned For A...

Oh yeah, all us people who support someone other than Obama must be doing so because we are all racist! Get the heck outta here with that bullcrap! I'm really sick and tired of hearing it. Obama is a TERRIBLE leader for our country. He hasn't helped a dang thing. About all he has accomplished the last four years is prove all the people right that didn't vote for him in the first place! Slavery has been dead and gone for a long, LONG time now. Quit trying to use it as an excuse for YOUR racism against white people. Racism is alive in all cultures. All you dang liberals, even as some of you struggle to keep a roof over your head, feed your family, put fuel in your vehicle to be able to get to work, are still to stubborn and unrealistic to admit that he needs to GO!!! I don't give a rats patootie if he is any color in the rainbow, he don't know the first thing about being President Of The United States Of America! The only thing he knows how to do is spend more. Roughly just over 50 percent of our national debt is owned by foreign countries. What do you presume is going to happen when all these countries decide to unite to get their money?? Whats ole Obie going to do if China decides they dont want to wait any longer for their money? How do you feel about Obama trying to replace our FLAG?!?!?! I absolutley REFUSE to salute ANYTHING other our stars and stripes, just like it was meant to be for all time. Socialism?? Screw you Obama, go back to whatever country your actually from and run your commie camp there! Romney wasn't rude during the debate, it's called having passion to support the American people and OUR country, something that Obama has NO desire for at all!

Randy_Marsh

Can you refute it though? Name one fact up there you can deny? I figure your diatribe wasnt that good seeing you attacked the opponent instead of siting facts to refute the accusations, Guess you have no defense and just want to attack others for your gods failings.

JACKEL

The unemployment rate will be 6% somehow Nov.1st

starryeyes83

How many people have went on disability in the last few years? I understand there has been a backlog of cases.

It always seems that particular group gets left out of the statistics. they get lumped in with seniors, and if they are SS Disability then some of them are going to qualify for extra help as far as food stamps is concerned.

deertracker

Those people are considered "takers" not makers. I thought you knew that! Silly me!

sanduskysteve

part-time jobs are still jobs - no matter what you want to believe. Also, why should we count those who stopped looking for work - THEY are the lazy ones that should be shuned - there is work out there - if they don't like the job or don't want it - t hen they can't be counted as unemployed because of the President OR his policies - they just don't wnat to work. They, then, should not be on food stamps or welfare though either.

Some of those working part-time are also on food stamps to make ends meet - so the number on welfare is NOT an indication that there are no jobs out there either.

The only reason the "numbers are wrong" is because they don't back up Romney - if they did, the numbers would be more accurate than if they were calculated by Romney himself. It's still a double-standard and the GOP is still wrong.

deertracker

Preach. LOL!

the office cat

Does it hurt to be this ignorant?
Oh yeah... "ignorance is bliss".

All of you want to keep ignoring ONE POINT about SSDI - ya can't qualify for it unless you WORKED. And spout more than words, please. Please quote SOME source for your food stamps comment. You can't bring your own facts to this forum just because the moderators agree with you.

eriemom

Why do continue to make the same statement? Are you trying to associate a disability to lazy victims? There has always been a backlog of applicants for disability insurance. What is the change?

Kimo

Re:"cooking the books."!

That's what Rush said.....
Rush Parrot?.....

LOL

There you go again

Rush didn't say it.....I did. It is called recording part time people as full time and making everything look good! Politicians do it all the time.

eriemom

Which would you say this is? A conspiracy or corruption? The unemployment number as a percent just shows trend. The trend has been down. The actual job creation number can help too. That number has increased in all sectors except two--public jobs (down) and construction (steady low).

Randy_Marsh

LOL! How many didnt they count this month? The U6 has not changed but the U3 has? Thats odd, In 4 years when everyone benifits run out we might hit 0.0%
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/...

mikel

114,000 jobs equals a 1/2%+?? hmmmmmmm the u6 numbers remain the same as last month. yeah, cookin the books!! o needs a bump after a huge failure in the first debate.

deertracker

When the numbers are bad you complain and when they are not so bad you complain. Do you people really believe you can create millions of jobs in a month? It takes time people, point is we could still be losing jobs. Minorities have been "underemployed/unemployed" for deacades so what's the fuss?

the office cat

"millions of jobs in a month"? No.
418,000 jobs in a month? OH YEAH!

samiam

Just wait. When this number is released each month, it is always "adjusted" a couple weeks later to more accurately reflect the unemployment picture. It's just another statistic that can be manipulated to say what you want it to say.

the office cat

Right! And they adjusted the 'jobs created' UP for July and August.
Oh... you thought we'd miss that, right?

The Big Dog's back

It must be terrible to be a doom and gloom Repub.

Randy_Marsh

Those facts irratate you huh? Its math, We can count.
Good news i found it!
In September, 2.5 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force, essentially unchanged
from a year earlier. (These data are not seasonally adjusted.) These individuals were not in the labor
force, wanted and were available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months.
They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding
the survey. (See table A-16.)
Among the marginally attached, there were 802,000 discouraged workers in September, a decline of
235,000 from a year earlier. (These data are not seasonally adjusted.) Discouraged workers are persons
not currently looking for work because they believe no jobs are available for them. The remaining 1.7
million persons marginally attached to the labor force in September had not searched for work in the 4
weeks preceding the survey for reasons such as school attendance or family responsibilities. (See table
A-16.)
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/...
Only 2.5 million were not counted, Wonder how many will become persona non grata in next months Unemployment numbers?

deertracker

Your compassion for all those people is just.........touching. Especially when you are forced to consider how we got here. Why don't you post the stats from the previous administration since you are into "data". Only if it says what you want it to, right?

the office cat

"a decline of 235,000 (discouraged workers) from a year earlier"

OOOOOPS. didn't mean to let THAT slip through did you?

the office cat

"a decline of 235,000 (discouraged workers) from a year earlier"

OOOOOPS. didn't mean to let THAT slip through did you?

Randy_Marsh

So not counting as long as it supports your god is a good thing? The fact is 14.7% according to the U6, Hard to argue numbers huh?

the office cat

14.6 among minority Americans. But spew away. You gotta love your U6.

Randy_Marsh

I do love the U6. Its the real number, Why would you instead go by a number that is manipulated by not counting fellow citizens? Oh Nvm, You have to protect your messiah.

the office cat

"U6 is not an unemployment measure. It includes part-time workers who want full-time work. So it doesn’t count the increase in part-time work. But every measure of actual unemployment — U1, U2, U3, U4, and U5 — went down. You can see them all here. Again, there’s no mystery. -Washington Post

Randy_Marsh

LOL! Thats funny. You accept the ones that do not count people yet throw away the true number. Maybe they could come out with a U9 that doesnt count anyone, Its at their discretion and it would make your god look good to boot. 14.7% unemployment, Thats the facts.
Even though they are no longer even looking for a job and do not have on that would mean they are.............Wait for it..............Unemployed.Or do they count as having a job sitting on a couch? Your logic is messed up.

the office cat

YOU accept the ones that do not count people - the U6 which only considers 37.5 hours/week as 'employed'. Such an elitist. Maybe you need to come out of your basement and spend some time in the real world. You don't like the U3 that has been in use for decades so you want to look at some other figure. You don't want to compare apples to apples.

Randy_Marsh

Office cat

What is U6 unemployment rate ?

The U6 unemployment rate counts not only people without work seeking full-time employment (the more familiar U-3 rate), but also counts "marginally attached workers and those working part-time for economic reasons." Note that some of these part-time workers counted as employed by U-3 could be working as little as an hour a week. And the "marginally attached workers" include those who have gotten discouraged and stopped looking, but still want to work. The age considered for this calculation is 16 years and over

http://portalseven.com/employmen... Care to try again?

the office cat

Cite your proof that they are no longer looking for a job.

Randy_Marsh

Office cat
The gov cites the U3 because they can manipulate the numbers to show the gov is not failing (Not counting citizens). Every one worth their salt always looks at the U6. It gives the best picture for the overall economy and that number has not changed. How can ALL the numbers change except the one that includes EVERYONE?

sanduskysteve

Randy - how can you say YOUR favorite report includes everyone if it doesn't include part-time workers? The very large number of workers are part-time workers - so not counting them would skew the numbers extremely to help YOUR case. A part-time job is still a job and those people are still working AND paying taxes AND making purchases in the economy.

Probably the reason why you guys were talking doom and gloom about how bad the economy was last year when some stores have excellent sales over the holidays. It's those part-time workers spending their money. It's ok to count the money when they spend it - but not to count them as employed when they are working hard to make the money you don't have a problem taking in taxes from them. What a bunch of double-standards.

Randy_Marsh

Sanduskysteve
"
What is U6 unemployment rate ?

The U6 unemployment rate counts not only people without work seeking full-time employment (the more familiar U-3 rate), but also counts "marginally attached workers and those working part-time for economic reasons." Note that some of these part-time workers counted as employed by U-3 could be working as little as an hour a week. And the "marginally attached workers" include those who have gotten discouraged and stopped looking, but still want to work. The age considered for this calculation is 16 years and over

http://portalseven.com/employmen...
It does count "Part time" jobs. I agree Not counting them is very unwise. If they are working only one hour a week are they employed enough to sustain themselves?

John Harville

Aain with a double post!

the office cat

It's so unfortunate when people have to cherrypick" facts to support their positions. Republicans have been jubilant when the SAME U3 figures showed UE above 9 even up to 10%. Not once did they challenge the veracity of the U3 or even mention the U6. Now they jump on the U6 because they minimize the importance of part-time work which the U6 ignores.
"U6 is not an unemployment measure. It includes part-time workers who want full-time work. So it doesn’t count the increase in part-time work. But every measure of actual unemployment — U1, U2, U3, U4, and U5 — went down. - Washington Post.

Contango

@ toc:

Fed Chairman Bernanke said at Jackson Hole that the Fed was responsible for 2 million of the jobs created.

Thank Mr. Bernanke for pumping money into the economy.

Mr. Obama's policies have done essentially squat!

http://www.federalreserve.gov/ne...

KnuckleDragger

It must be terrible to be a racist Democrat.

deertracker

It's terrible to be a racist anything. Remember, racism is a learned behavior.

Kimo

The same people that compiled the data during the bushwhacked days compile the data today using the same formula.

The data is about as reliable as the EPA gas mileage estimates.

It is what it is.

deertracker

You are so right! I wished others would just realize that!

sanduskysteve

You mean like the republicans that use it all the time to determine how well things are? You cna't discredit something when it does not favor you and then say it is completely accurate when it does favor you. Oh wait - republicans can do whatever they want - including lie.

shucks

Well said, Sandusky Steve.

Randy_Marsh

So why not use the U6 which gives a better over all picture of the unemployment in the US? Is it because at 14.7% no one in their right mind would jump for joy and give a politician credit? Letting the government itself tell you that its better than it is and believing them isnt very smart.

the office cat

Use the U6. But none of you were shouting "U6! U6!" when the U3 figures were 10, 9, 8.1%.
Why not broadcast the OHIO rate which is 7.2%? You could give John Kasich all the credit - but that makes Mr. Romney unhappy.

Kimo

BTW

I voted today, what's holding you back???

Shut up and vote.............

KnuckleDragger

The only people who vote early are straight ticket voters who don't have the intelligence to fully vet a candidate. I mean, why waste your time listening to the debates, etc when you only vote along party lines? You voted a straight D ticket just as the card with your union approved candidates told you to do, didn't you? At least you admit to what many of us already know, you are a buffoon.

mikel

nice one knuckle. kimo may regret her choices. hope she is learning chinese just in case!

the office cat

Yep. Love those early voters... 15 undecideds stopped by to get a 'straight ticket guide' because Rmoney convinced them to vote - for Obama.
BTW... Rmoney already speaks fluent Chinese...along with the fluent French he learned in Paris while 59,000 Americans were dying for America in Vietnam.

Randy_Marsh

Obama speaks stutterese.

Contango

@ toc:

'Nam?

You mean the unpaid for war that LBJ escalated with a Big Lie (USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy) that led to deaths of 58K Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?

the office cat

YUP That's the one! August 7, 1964. The one that killed my brother, six cousins and several friends.
Why did we do it? Vietnam had WMDs. Oh Nope. That was Iraq 40 years later.
Vietnam was The Domino Theory that if Viet Nam fell then the Communist conquest would continue all the way to us as nations fell like dominoes.
We did Desert Shield because of the oil
We did Afghanistan because of 9/11.
We did Iraq to atone for 'Daddy' George I not going after Saddam.
We just knew we could do better than the French in Viet Nam (IndoChina).
We just knew we could do better than the Russians in Iraq...
.... and Afghanistan.
And there's that ongoing (62 years) Korea thing.
Politicians of BOTH parties spend zillions on wars and destroy generations (how many children and grandchildren do you think 58,000 American men could have produced?) fighting them.

mikel

mr & mrs moderator please e-mail me a copy of my removed comment along with your reasoning. true to democratic form, if something does not meet your agenda you delete it. i do not believe that any of my recent posts were intrusive to one's feelings. if they believe that then maybe they should pull up their pants and move elsewhere.

Kimo

Re:Rush didn't say it.....I did.

I saw the tape played on nightly news, Rush said it, you repeated what Rush said........man up........

There you go again

I have never watched Rush Limbaugh in my life. Don't tell me what I have said or not said, please.

the office cat

Perhaps.... but you heard it somewhere. We know it. You can deny it all you want. I'll bet you also were the first to say "there you go again" because you certainly don't attribute - and even he didn't originate it.

Contango

@ toc:

And you don't watch MSNBC, CNN and read the Daily Kos in order to gather your Obamasheeple opinions?

Fox, Limbaugh and none of the above own the "truth."

I'm with Pres. Reagan on at least one point: "Trust, but verify."

If I hear or read an "opinion," I often dig for the source and from there form my own.

the office cat

You're right. I don't watch/read any of the above. What is the Daily Kos?

buckeye15

I believe that. You probably haven't watched Rush.....since he has a radio show...not a tv show...lol

Contango

@ buckeye15:

Doesn't he webcam his program?

TV? What age do 'you' live in?

Too bad for you that "Air America" went kaput.

coasterfan

Dear Republican Naysayers: The very same economic experts who analyzed monthly unemployment statistics for years are the same ones who analyzed things this month. This is bad news for Romney because NOT ONLY did 400,000 new people join the work force during the past month, more than twice that amount found jobs. So you can't bring out that tired old argument that the unemployment rate is lower because fewer people are in the job force. Let's see, that makes 31 straight months of continued jobs growth. Thank you Mr. President, and no thanks to Republicans, who have fought against every jobs creation bill he has presented.

Other news from the economic experts. It appears that Romney's assertion that the deficit has grown each year under Obama is false. Today, they announced that the deficit was $1.1 trillion last year and $207 billion lower today.

Those are the facts, kids. Denying them doesn't make them any less true.

Randy_Marsh

Except some americans no longer count right? Anything to make his messiahship look better. U6 14.7% unchanged, U3 gov model no longer counts its citizens as unemployed even though they are no longer working. Those are the facts denying them do not make them any less true.

sanduskysteve

And let me see if I understand this correctly - enemployed are those how are no longer working..... Hey - that's the way I see it too. Someone working part-time IS employed - are they not? What definition do you use to define employment? I suppose it depends on what party you are affiliated with. If your a republican - then employment means working and making over 200,000 - this IS the bottom of the middle class according to Romney isn't it?

KnuckleDragger

Actually coaster, as stated in my previous post, the only thing that really increased was the number of part time jobs. The numbers don't lie. Your messiah is only creating part time minimum wage jobs. Wow, how exciting.

the office cat

To one who is starving, part-time minimum wage (which is rising in January) is a Godsend. So if someone can't get a fulltime job (of which ther are few) he should walk away from a part-time job that will jeopardize his 'freebies' until a full-time comes along?

mikel

yippee! you are excited that prez o has contributed ONLY $1.1 trillion to the deficit? i would hate to see your check book. just an fyi, coaster, deficit is a dirty word. it means that you do not have enough money to cover your expense's. i know that dems have a hard time comprehending the word balanced. of course, dems, have no problem asking the chinese for more money either. i hope more schools start offering chinese as we will all need to learn the langauge if prez o gets another term!

the office cat

WHO financed the Iraq War with Chinese money? Ah yes... the Republicans who controlled all of Congress...
You can't rewrite history.

Swamp Fox

The unemployment was 7.8% January 2009 when Obama took office, Obama and friends passed a "jobs" bill, the largest stimulus in history that increased the Federal debt by a third the largest increase in history by any president. There are 300,000 less Americans working today compared to when Obbie took office. This is the best Obbie can do? Time for him to join the 7.8%.

buckeye15

Actually you have John Kasich to blame/thank for these numbers. Government employment is up substantially since his last budget. Here are links to explanations from each side that confirm it:

http://gohpblog.com/?p=1403
http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/...

the office cat

yup. Ohio unemployment figures down to 7.2% - and 87,000 jobs today on Ohio Means Jobs.

Kimo

Re:you are a buffoon.

Republicans are such nice people.

BTW

Name-calling now OK for the SR. Anything for a hit.

:-))

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Mime Bloggling

Ohio shocker: GOP closes early voting gap, boosting Romney

http://washingtonexaminer.com/oh...

"In a remarkable reversal of fortune for President Obama in Ohio, the GOP has closed the huge gap in absentee ballot requests used by early voters that favored the Democrats and the president in 2008, setting up what one state analyst said could be a Mitt Romney blowout on Election Day.

While in 2008, 33 percent of the 1,158,301 absentee ballots went to Democrats and just 19 percent to registered Republicans, a 14-point gap, this year 29 percent are being requested by Democrats and 24 percent by Republicans, a five-point gap."

For instance: Erie County: Was +24% DEM, now +7% DEM -17 point shift.

All I can say is WOW!

the office cat

hmmmmmmmm. 33% plus 19% + 52%. Who requested the other 48%.

If you were in the system, you'd know there is no way to know if a request is D or R or G or C or I. "Registration" is dependent ENTIRELY on which ballot you took in the last primary IN WHICH YOU VOTED. In the 2008 primary many Rs took D ballots to vote for Hillary because McCain had long ago been nominated.
If you study trends, Rs tend more heavily NOT to vote Absentee or early, preferring to vote on election day.
Oh. And. The Washington Examiner? Really?

Kimo

How many of those will not have enough postage and what will happen to those votes?

SR should do a public service, and remind both sides to make sure they have enough postage on the envelope...........

the office cat

Actually, we followup on everyone who requests an absentee ballot with an offer to drive them to the BOE and have non-profit groups who are paying postage - regardless of party affiliation. We just believe EVERY American should have EVERY opportunity to exercise the RESPONSIBILITY to vote.

Swamp Fox

The democrappers aren't returning their mail ballots when they discovered it wasn't government paid for postage, they are entitled..... How long before we have the Obama postage stamp, it will be "free," with no value..

mikel

my thoughts exactly! the dems most not be smart enough to calculate postage. i hope that i didn't offend anyone!

Swamp Fox

According to Obama's own Labor Department 150,000 new jobs are needed each month just to keep up with population growth. How can we add only 114,000 and see a reduction in the unemployment rate?

clubfrog

so true ,Fox!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Contango

A "good," number but let's dig through some of the hype:

600K new part-time jobs, 8.6 million total. Many want full-time, but can only find part-time.

Pres. Obama is the the part-time job king.

During the Bush Admin., the Dems called them "McJobs." Where are their howls now?

U-6, the 'true' unemployment number is unchanged at 14.7%.

Lastly, the labor force participation rate remains at 30 yr. lows. That number was higher in Sept. 1982.

One of the Federal Reserve's mandates is employment - they're doin' a 'fair' job, but 'one' jobs report does not a trend make.

This economy has some very serious structural and systemic issues.

Getting excited about one number makes no sense and overall proves very little.

https://personalp.vanguard.com/u...

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/...

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/L...

44846GWP

I knew you would spin it. Way to go Winnie!!

Contango

@ Zippy:

As an 'informed' Obamasheeple can you share the 'official' "spin"?

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

clubfrog

this jobs report did not reflect the people that are still unemployed because they have exhausted their unemployment ....these numbers dont tell the real story ! more lies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

44846GWP

I don't know one person who has lost a job and run out of unemployment. Where are they?

the office cat

Untrue. Those for whom UE has been depleted remain in the tally and numbers and many of them (nay, most) continue to seek employment.

the office cat

Thank you Mitt Romney.
After the debate, 15 people came in to headquarters to find out how to register and early vote.
They said they were among that great unwashed 'undecided' group but Rmoney had made up their minds for them in the debate. Then they left with a ballot card and went to the BOE to vote early - for Obama.

Pete

So you had 15 people, totally incapable of thinking for themselves, decide to vote straight ticket D.

I'm shocked! SHOCKED I TELL YA!

the office cat

No Pete, you weren't in the group. And nobody said they were voting a straight ticket. In fact some mentioned Republicans for whom they would be voting. You just can't help yourself can you? Don't hate.

Contango

@ toc:

Good that you appreciate Mr. Romney.

Nice assumption. Unless you positively saw how they voted you really don't know.

The odds are very likely that we will have another financial crisis on the next president’s watch. If it’s Mr. Obama, I’m sure that you’ll be very supportive.

Watch out for the next request to raise the Federal debt ceiling from $16.394 trillion - probably in Dec.

the office cat

I didn't say I know how they voted - only what they SAID.
And they came to our office because the Rmoney-ites don't have an office.
But, unlike the SOS Husted, believe EVERY Ohioan should have the RIGHT to exercise the RESPONSIBILITY to participate in self-government.

Contango

Interesting analysis:

If the labor force participation rate and the unemployment rate are compared, the reason why the unemployment rate dropped is that many people have just stopped looking for work.

http://www.businessinsider.com/w...

Maybe Pres. Obama can get the unemployment rate to 0%?

Swamp Fox

According to office cat, 15 people came to the HQ to find out how to register, really democrappers are that dumb they don't know how to register? My guess is they are well versed in how to obtain government entitlements.
Nationwide Republican registration and requests for absentee ballots are up 10-15%, democrappers request are down 5-10% and independents holding steady compared to 2008, not a good sign office kitty.... Obama is heading towards the litterbox

sanduskysteve

You mean all of those entitlements like social security and medicare???

eriemom

@ Swamp The only way that republicans will ever be elected in Ohio again is if they cheat--draw weird lake and figure eight representative lines and keep people from voting. Gov. Kasick woke the tiger.

mikel

i hope that they don't need a photo id to use pussycats services.

the office cat

@Mikel. There goes that bliss again. No photo ID necessary to REGISTER, to REQUEST ABSENTEE BALLOT, to VOTE ABSENTEE, to VOTE EARLY - because all that can be verified prior to the election with use of last-four-SS or a DL number.
Photo ID required ONLY at poll on election day since there is no opportunity to verify before voting - even then, one can vote provisionally and have 10 days to verify identity.
All these rules promulgated (that means passed) by Republican state legislatures.
No need to thank me for enlightening you.

OMG.LOL.WT_

If Republicans had did what they "contracted" to do, I MIGHT trust them. This was #1:

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;

Randy_Marsh

Wow so a president that has a majority and can pass the largest healthcare disaster in history through congress but cannot apply it to themselves are innocent, The republicans are blamed because of it? Yeah, I get it now, You people are totally tarded.

the office cat

ya know, ya can leave off the "re" but we still know you are being a bigot.

Put out the word to stop the 'word'.

eriemom

I have been channel surfing this morning. It seems that the conspiracy claims are bogus. I can give others some anecdotal evidence for an improved economy. In 2008 there were 4 adults in my immediate family. Three of them were unemployed. One was in construction, laid off and collecting unemployment compensation. One was looking for part time work, but not collecting unemployment. The third was still in college and could not find part time work. Only one was, and continues to work full time.

Of the three unemployed, the construction worker changed professions. Thank you President Obama for helping to retrain. He has been employed full time since early 2010. The college student graduated and is now working full time.Thank God! He was able to work out a payment plan for his student loan repayment that he could live with. Thank you President Obama. The worker looking for part time employment went to work about a month ago.

Above are three examples of people whom are now working and could not find work in 2008. Two of them have never been a part of all of the stats that everyone is throwing around.

Contango

eriemom writes:

"Thank you President Obama."

Reads like a cult of personality.

The resident slaves in the DPRK also thank "The Great Successor" for their well-being.

You're correct, it is anecdotal evidence and statistically useless.

eriemom

How many "statistically useless" more families are out there. This is just one. You follow my posts religiously (pun intended), so you know that I am rational.

Contango

@ eriemom:

How does a follower of a cult of personality equate to rationality?

The followers of the late Sun Myung Moon might agree.

Centauri

The rich and powerful people and corporations picked Obama and Romney. They are not for the middle class.

You have a third choice that the rich and powerful silenced. You have choices. Pick one of the two that the rich and powerful picked for you.

The third choice is Gary Johnson. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/f...

Swamp Fox

Sandusky Steve more people on entitlement, I know of far to may younger people who are on SSI and are healthy enough to drink, smoke, reproduce on a regular basis and be regulars on the area court docket, increased welfare, food stamps under obbie than any time in our history..Obbie gutted the bi-partisan welfare reform championed by Bill Clinton. Now instead of welfare to work we have welfare to snooze. We should provide a safety net for our citizens who truly deserve it and earned it not a hammock for the lazy.

office kitty, so the three people in your family that found jobs were given jobs by obbie or directly were employed by the goverment they did nothing on their own ability or hard work to get these jobs? At least they are not part of the 300,000 less Americans working since obbie took office.
My son is paying for his own additional degree, I paid for my own retraining to allow me a second career, my daughter took a lesser job in her profession until she was able by her own ability to be promoted, all of my family has succeeded by hard work not by any goverment help. Am I better off than I was four years ago, no about the same but I am paying more taxes, goverment fees, higher gas prices and higher health insurance premiums than I did four years ago.

eriemom

@ Swamp
You can thank republican governors for the change to state "welfare". The states asked for more freedom to work within the federal rules. Clinton's welfare reform is still intact, and you know it. This is just another lie to get you to vote.

1st question: In what way were court dockets different under past President Bush, than now under President Obama?
2nd question: Why are you asking Office Kitty a question about my post.There was nothing in my post about government jobs. Why go there? My post does fly in the face of your rationale that people who are not working are lazy.
3rd question: Who paid your children's college costs? If you were paying for your own retraining, than I doubt that Mom and Dad paid for it. I also doubt that they worked their way through with the economy that we have lived with for many years. We were bleeding construction jobs way back in 2006, put since these are blue collar workers, nobody in the Bush administration took notice.

the office cat

Just ask Swampy for the names of those 'schools' and 'colleges' and 'retraining' locations. Since ALL education - even private and parochial - somewhere is PUBLICLY SUBSIDIZED, Swampy didn't pay for ALL the schooling.

the office cat

Swamp Fux says "office kitty, so the three people in your family that found jobs were given jobs by obbie or directly were employed by the goverment they did nothing on their own ability or hard work to get these jobs?"

Now we know you only seek to spew, not to discuss rationally and accurately. I never said anything about anyone in my family 'finding' jobs. We're all gainfully employed - some of us with advanced or multiple degrees which we obtained by hard work, conscientious use of collateral and yes some subsidized loans which we repaid with requisite interest.
Oh, and did I mention that all of us got those degrees - in part - with scholarships based on the quality of the PUBLIC education which Thomas Jefferson wrote into the Ordinance of 1784 that was part of the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 under the new Constitution under which Ohio was the first state formed out of the Northwest Territory (I learned all that in PUBLIC school).
Since those degrees served us so well, we have worked to help young men and women advance their educations.
So... what have you done for your country?

Reva

And who is reporting the governments arm twisting about Boeing's layoff? Not the liberal media. Only CNN and Fox. The Democratic camp got ahold of them and strongarmed the layoff until after the election. Or that would have really kept the numbers up there-12,000 layoffs after the elections. The camp told Boeing that even though they knew it is illegal to to delay the notifications-don't worry. The federal government will back you. Vote this idiot out of office!

eriemom

So then, who is the liberal media? I don't know if Boeing builds aircraft for the military. If they are then I would expect that with ending Bush's two wars we would need fewer military aircraft. It is also my understanding that republicans in the house pushed for military aircraft that are not needed. Spending that is not necessary for national defense.

We have already spent a few trillion dollars on bogus wars. Where does it end?

Contango

@ eriemom:

Know your History:

LBJ never paid for Vietnam - and we're 'still' paying for it decades later.

You do know that the "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" was based on a BIG LIE don't you?

Better study up on the defense layoff cover-up:

http://www.npr.org/2012/10/06/16...

sanduskysteve

Hmmm so now the Vietnam war is also increasing the deficit over time? Sounds like a lot of things are contributing to this mess that Obama is accused of "creating". I'm not sure it is totally fair to say he creating anything. And it is hard to work on fixing things when from the day he took office he has had to defend himself from republicans swearing to get him out of office no matter what happens and from the republicans stopping anything he attempts to fix for the very same reason.

And since you guys believe so heavily in the republican party, why are so many of them so outright ignorant and in some cases just plain stupid???

You have Akin that makes an idiot out of himself every time he opens his mouth - for instance a woman that gets "really really raped" can't get pregnant" and now this other moron republican (also trying to get into a control position in congress) who believes (and had the bible to back him up - stupid) that unruly children should be put to death, by law!!! Come on guys - wake up - you believe that WE are drinking the kool-aid? It's those followers of the cult called republican party that is drinking kool-aid and they are going to drink it to the end of what we call the United States of America after Romney and Ryan kill off everyone making less than 200,000 dollars! Who will buy your products? Who will pay the taxes? Romney can't create jobs - he didn't in MA and he can't for the country either. Romney can't help the middle class - he doesn't even know what the middle class is!!

I still enjoyed reading about giving children who are unruly the death penalty - this from a party that is so PRO-LIFE! Someone once said that republicans only believe in pro-life until baby is born, and then to hell with it! Everything Romney and the GOP stands for proves it every single day.

The only reason they are against abortion is because they have the hope of having more republicans born - and in the end that is the only babies that will be born. Another republican believes that all gay people should be put the death as well.

Talk about relating things to Hitler's time ---- Isn't what he did was to attempt to extinguish anyone that wasn't just like him and his party? It isn't Obama that is trying to turn this country into something Hitler would love, it's the GOP doing it.

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