Gearing up for Issue 2 vote, SB5 opponents open local HQ

Opponents of Senate Bill 5 are bringing the fight to your doorstep.
Annie Zelm
Oct 4, 2011

With Election day about a month away, union workers and public employees have opened a local headquarters as they set out to convince residents to vote "No" on Issue 2. We Are Ohio opened Monday at 913 W. Washington St. in Sandusky. 

While the group's members are going door to door and working the phones to garner support for their cause, supporters of Senate Bill 5 are also launching ad campaigns that say the bill puts public employees' wages and benefits in line with those of private-sector workers.

Among the public employees leading the fight against Senate Bill 5 are Brian Nitschke, 42, an orchestra teacher for Sandusky Schools, and Glenn Szatala, 49, a Sandusky firefighter.

Pick up Tuesday's Register to read what Nitschke and Szatala have to say about battle.  

Want to help?

WHAT: We Are Ohio office in Sandusky

WHERE: 913 W. Washington St.

HOURS: 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Monday through Saturday; 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. Sunday.

MORE: The group seeks volunteers to make phone calls and knock on doors. Call 419-537-3253 or go to weareohio.com for more information.

Comments

mikel

the reality of it all is that we can no longer pay for these "golden" parachutes.  things were different with 6-7% unemployment.  there is no reason why gov't workers can not contribute more to their pensions, healthcare etc. 

sb5 may not be perfect but you must start somewhere.  i encourage all to support sb5.  here are several links to look at and you can see just how the gov't workers prosper while the private sector is going backwards.

http://m2.toledoblade.com/Politics/2011/10/03/Issue-2-fight-shifts-to-costs-of-benefits.html

http://m2.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2011/09/26/Fire-chief-presses-ahead-with-home-visits-2.html

http://m2.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2011/09/18/Paid-sick-time-abuse-leads-to-crackdown.html

http://m2.toledoblade.com/local/2011/09/14/Ohio-Study-Public-workers-compensated-more-than-private-employees.html

SamAdams

Where is the name and contact information for the group that's PROMOTING SB5?

Smoke

Vote yes,on issue 2

Toledo Victory Office

Captain Name: Joe Derkin
Phone Number: 330_858_2564
Email: derkin@ohiogop.org
Hours: MON-FRI 9-9 SAT 9-5 SUN Noon - 6
Address: 10 S. Superior. Toledo, OH 43064
 

                or

http://www.betterohio.org/

Marcus M

Below is an editorial from the Canton Repository about rising costs for local governments:

The Sunday articles on Senate Bill 5 had an enormous number of figures and information concerning the complicated contractual compensation programs for a multitude of civil servants, and some really interesting, and I feel bizarre, compensation arrangements.

Taxpayers pay a bus driver in the Fairless Local District a base salary of $19,601 a year but pay $16,956 a year for benefits? I understand firefighters “run in when others are running out” of burning buildings, but truck drivers have a much more dangerous occupation, according to statistics. A Jackson firefighter-paramedic has a base salary of $42,030 and his benefit costs are $27,240?

Now let’s look at the “average Stark County resident;” bear in mind that public-sector employees are included in this average. If an average resident earns $25,285 and benefits provided by the employer cost $13,660, the total cost to employ the “average” county resident is $38,945, but compare that to a teacher in the Jackson Local Schools who has a base salary of $65,031 plus $23,895 paid by the “employer” (taxpayer), or $88,926 for a year of their “labor,” which is about nine months.

SB5 is needed and needed badly. It will be interesting to see how many public-sector employees leave their positions to score those better-paying jobs in the private sector that they always talk about. It’s like a dirty little secret where you earn under $20,000 a year but cost taxpayers another $17,000 for your benefits. As for needing to pay these amounts to get “quality” people, really?

In the end, it is the voter who is to blame. Keep voting for the same people, and keep getting the same results.

coasterfan

It's shortly after 5pm. How telling that all 4 comments thus far are by people who are FOR SB5. While the rest of us are out working for a living, our intrepid union-haters are home playing on their computers.

I'm not a public-sector worker, nor do I belong to a union. However, I'm aware of history and the reasons that unions came into being. Certainly there are problems that need to be fixed, as with any public or private entity, but the answer is not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. SB5 is typical GOP over-reaching, in which a small gnat is silenced with an atomic blast. The prevailing thought that seems to drive those who are for SB5 is jealousy: they see public sector workers getting something they aren't, and they think they shouldn't have to pay to subsidize union workers' pensions, etc.  Don't you realize that if public unions are gutted, private unions are next?

Which makes sense, until you stop and notice that the same people who are for SB5 are often also against Obamacare, which seeks to make each of us pay for our own healthcare, SO THAT WE/YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN HEALTHCARE.  Of course, logic and these folks aren't often in the same room, because you never hear them complaining about gov't mandates that require them to have auto insurance. Of course, that's the beauty of America: even uninformed, biased idiots who are blissfully unaware of their own contradictions are allowed to vote.

 

 

origen

Auto insurance is a choice, "Obamacare" taxes/fines you for breathing. Big Difference there, Lets Force people to buy from privatly owned companys is a dangerous idea. Next it will be lets all but GM volts, Cant afford it huh? Well its the law and you are going to be fined for non compliance. The government workers dont even want to be part of the private healthcare services but are forcing us to buy into it. Ask your representitive who covers them for insurance? Guess what the Unions are the Minority, Yet they arent even willing to work to pay what the private side workers pay. The unions holding the state hostage for stuff is just extortion. The state is BROKE, What part of that arent you getting? Everyone is hitting hard time yet the unions want to do whatever it takes to keep the minority happy. When they dip into your pensions to pay the workers they have on hand you might get the gist.

Smoke

Why should, I as a Taxpayer, have to pay for Teachers from the day they get hired to the day they die. I only have to pay for my children until they are 18.

stepham2009

SMOKE BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:

1. THEY WILL BE THE SAME TEACHERS THAT WILL BE TEACHING YOUR GRANDCHILDREN SOME DAY

2. BECAUSE THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS AND JUST LIKE YOU AND I THEY PAY FOR OUR SOCIAL SECURITY JUST LIKE WE HAVE PAID FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S

3. TEACHERS, IF YOU HAVE NOT CHECKED, PAY INTO THEIR OWN RETIREMENT SYSTEM EACH WEEK FROM THEIR PAYCHECKS

AND FINALLY

4. SOMEONE ELSE CONTINUED TO PAY FOR YOUR TEACHERS LONG AFTER THEIR CHILDREN WERE GROWN UP AND GONE.....WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE HAD SOMEONE ELSE FELT THAT WAY WHILE YOU WERE GROWING UP?????

ITS A CIRCLE AND WE ALL PAY FOR TEACHERS THAT TEACH CHILDREN LONG AFTER OURS ARE GONE...I'M THANKFUL FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CONTINUED TO PAY FOR MY TEACHERS LONG AFTER THEIR CHILDREN WERE GROWN UP AND GONE.....

stepham2009

SMOKE BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:

1. THEY WILL BE THE SAME TEACHERS THAT WILL BE TEACHING YOUR GRANDCHILDREN SOME DAY

2. BECAUSE THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS AND JUST LIKE YOU AND I THEY PAY FOR OUR SOCIAL SECURITY JUST LIKE WE HAVE PAID FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S

3. TEACHERS, IF YOU HAVE NOT CHECKED, PAY INTO THEIR OWN RETIREMENT SYSTEM EACH WEEK FROM THEIR PAYCHECKS

AND FINALLY

4. SOMEONE ELSE CONTINUED TO PAY FOR YOUR TEACHERS LONG AFTER THEIR CHILDREN WERE GROWN UP AND GONE.....WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE HAD SOMEONE ELSE FELT THAT WAY WHILE YOU WERE GROWING UP?????

ITS A CIRCLE AND WE ALL PAY FOR TEACHERS THAT TEACH CHILDREN LONG AFTER OURS ARE GONE...I'M THANKFUL FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CONTINUED TO PAY FOR MY TEACHERS LONG AFTER THEIR CHILDREN WERE GROWN UP AND GONE.....

mikel

coaster - you must be an idiot.  just because one blogs during the day does not mean that they are not working.

i happen to be a business owner who, by the way, who pays my employees well and gives them full benefits.  having said that, it is increasingly difficult to continue keeping my employees up to par when my taxes are increased to help fund, in part, gov't sponsored health benefits, pensions etc.  there is no reason that gov't employees can't pay more out of their own pockets.  now, i know that you will prob think that i don't have a clue about that crap but surprise, my wife is a 20 year employee for the county so i know what they pay and what their benefits are.

as i have said before sb5 is not the best of solutions but it is a start.

Slayer_1974

Union Members please be advised!!!A huge movement has been organized where many Unions have joined in to protest.We need your help too.Those who have already endorsed this movement are the UFT,TWU,CWA,NNU,and many others have joined this cause...We need your help to stand against inequality and accountability..Please check it out...No B.S.

Occupy Wallstreet happening NOW!!!!!!!

Marcus M

coasterfan, just because you ask people all day if they would like those fries super sized don't assume others don't work.  I am retired, reemployed, and run my own business.   SB 5 only requires public employees pay 15% towards their health insurance, pay their share of their retirement on average 10-14%, allows collective bargaining for wages and work conditions and take power away from unelected arbitration and returns it back to local elected control.  Public employees can support local candidates that will support their interests..

Truckerclock

This is not to start a fight over keyboards, but if it happens, it happens.  One glaring problem I see from previous posts is this.

"SB5 is not perfect, but you must start somewhere."

That is not the appropriate attitude to have.  Why allow something that is imperfect, be signed into law.  If you don't believe the entire law is perfect, vote no and demand the lawmakers get it right.  Allowing something to become law "just because something is better than nothing" is going to create more issues.

El Guapo

 Origen, if the state is broke why did Kasich repeal the estate tax for estates valued at over $333,000.00, why did he give his staff huge raises, give Diebold millions.  Why are those things perfectly fine with you but people making a decent living is not?

origen

@ El Guapo

 He gave them a tax break becuase he is a polictician, Easy enough to answer. In this political climate both partys are ususally bought off by special interest groups, That being said Why has the dems gave entire companys to Unions, Bailout to banks,Tons of cash for green jobs? (Easy answer ehere too its the same answer as above). The unions have fought long and hard for the best deal for their members and i can respect that, Too bad it is comming at the expense of the rest of us who are losing jobs hand over fist because the Tax climate in ohio sucks for job growth. We are broke, 8 billion in debt last i read and getting worse, What then print more money, Go to the fed to borrow more, Tax the middle class more, Tax the people who dont have jobs because the tax rates here are not conductive to businesses moving her? Pick a answer ? Maybe the austerity measures we are now seeing in Greece is what happends by letting unions get better benifits to the members while the country burns? Maybe the riots in the streets when the state say "sorry were closed we cannot pay you" is what your aiming for, But if you see what europe is going through maybe you would understand.

Bleeding Turnips

 El Guapo:

Why should the government get to tax estates at all? The deceased have paid the taxes from the time they earned the money, paid taxes to buy the property, they paid taxes to own the property, and now you want their children to be taxed again on their parent’s hard work?

Please define “Huge Raises” and Diebold was offered $60 million dollars to move from Ohio to Georgia. Those are private sector jobs paying wages with taxes that pay our public SB5 whiners.  You can’t let jobs leave then ask for more taxes now can you El Guapo?

KURTje

El Guapo go easy on the truth....too many don't like it           . (you're right though - why does KaSICK think of his agenda & his friends only?)

mikel

trucker - similar to nancy pelosi, referring to obamacare, "just pass it and we will fix it later".

when you have two sides that is constantly disagreeing with each other there is no option but to do it this way.

mikel

el guapo says.."give Diebold millions.."

why did obumbles give solyanta over $500 million?

6079 Smith W

El Guapo writes:

"If the state is broke why did Kasich repeal the estate tax for estates valued at over $333,000.00,"

'Cause stealing from the successful makes everyone poorer.

For example: Big lib, Sen. Howard Metzenbaum fled OH's high income and estates taxes for FL where there are no income and estate taxes. 

Maybe those who've saved and invested want to do something else with their money other than let the State steal it?  

AJ Oliver

   It is simply not true that Ohio, or the U.S., "is broke".  There is now more wealth in this country than there has ever been.  All you have to do is look at the stats on Gross Domestic Product.  

   What IS different is that the upper one percent now takes in 20 % of the income pie whereas they used to take 10%.  That extra 10% used to go the middle class and working class - they are the ones who are now broke.  Again, the stats on this are readily available.

   Furthermore, the wealthy (with notable exceptions like Warren Buffet & Bill Gates senior) are refusing to pay their share of the tax burden.  Not only are their taxes at record low levels, but many of them are tax cheats.   They have bailed out on the rest of society, and now hide out in gated communities with private schools, safety services and sometimes even private water and power systems.  As a group, they have no commitment to shared prosperity - just look at the pathetically low level of the minimum wage. (Minimum wage in Austrailia is $ 17, in New Zealand $ 11, in Ontario, Canada it's $ 11.)

   Many of the wealthy now make their livings by making the rest of us poor - our families are victimized by predatory lending such as high interest student loans, debit cards, payday loans, income tax refund scams, and much more.  Those ill-gotten gains flow directly from the bottom of the income ladder to the top.  This is the real "class warfare". 

   The only way to preserve our quality of like in terms of libraries, public schools, parks and other infrastructure is to tax the wealthy.  Otherwise, you can kiss your middle class society goodbye. 

   If you think you can have a middle class, and a working class with opportunity, without unions, you are dreaming.  We need more unions, and more union members.  (I've never had a union job.) 

   That being said, the public sector unions do need to do a better job of standing up for other working people - including the protesters at Wall Street. 

   So please, stop saying that Ohio or the U.S. are "broke".  It's just not true. 

  

origen

@AJ

Ohio is 8billion in debt, How much more broke would you prefer us to be before it is considered "broke"?

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2011/01/20/news/nh3543810.txt 

Money is not infinate they will run out of ink sooner or later.

Oh and your notable exceptions? Buffet has been in court for years fighting the IRS. And gates donates tons for charity for tax deductions please try again.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/buffett-irs-back-taxes/2011/09/01/id/409520

 

El Guapo

Ah yes, another day of Republicans showing their true colors, fighting for the rich to keep their milions and trying to screw the working class and poor.   I dont know where to begin.

@ Bleeding turnip- El Guapo:Why should the government get to tax estates at all?  Its not just estates, its estates valuing over $335,000.00 on up to milions.   Its a source of income as you repubs state constantly- Ohio is $8 billion in dept, so why cut it out.   I stand to inherit an estate over $335.000.  And you know what I dont need a penny of it, didnt have to depend on mommy and daddy, went to school, worked hard, bought rental properties and am comfortable.   WIll it matter to me if I inherit $400,000 or $470,000, might get me a couple foot bigger boat, but I would rather see it go to the working class and poor who are trying to feed their family.    I cant understand how republicans fight for rich inheritances but also fight to lower minimum wage, make grandma and grandpa be 70 before getting social security, lower taxes on rich while raising it on poor and working class(ie: republican candidates plans-Paul Ryan's plan, all republican's plans).  Thats the moral equivelant or walking by a starving person eating a cracker while you are carrying a picnic basket full of food and telling him he should give up his cracker. 

 @Origen, you and the repubs keep using this statement: "Ohio is 8billion in debt, How much more broke would you prefer us to be before it is considered "broke"    If we are broke asnwer this. WHY REDUCE INCOMING REVENUE by repealing estate tax for wealthy, giving milions of money to already very well off companies/ cronies, and next Kasich wants to do away with capital gains tax.    Why is it only acceptable to you to attack the working class, poor, elderly etc..    The MAJORITY of Ohioans are working class, poor, or elderly, and republicans will continue to vote against there best interest.   Ohio is waking up to this, thanks to Kasich and right wing post on this site and others.  

 

@Mikel: refwhy did obumbles(I think you meant Obama) give solyanta over $500 million?  Answer: To try and assist in the switching over to clean renewable energy source.   Why do repubs fight to protect the oil subsidies which cost about $4 billion each year, I wasnt aware that they were in trouble financially:

Chevron Announces $7.8 Billion in Q3 Profits, 2011 Profits for Big-Five Oil Companies Hit a Staggering $101 Billion Chevron has spent nearly $7 million on lobbying this year, the fourth highest of oil and gas industries. Chevron has contributed over $315,000 to federal campaigns n 2011, with 90% going to Republicans. Chevron is sitting on $13 billion in cash on hand. Added together, the Big Five oil companies — BP, Exxon, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Shell — are sitting on cash resources of $59 billion and made nearly $1 trillion in profits over the past decade. Chevron currently ranks third in the Fortune 500 list of company profits, yet continues to receive billions of dollars in tax breaks paid for by American taxpayers.

Whats odd is big oil is making that kind of money with the help from the taxpayers but republicans go out and attack police officers, firefighters, nurses etc., elderly.   I JUST DONT GET IT  !!

And as far as dems wanting bank bailouts.  Politicians on both sides voted that in.   I have not spoken to any actual American VOTER, rebup or dem, that wanted that.   That is a reason for campaign finance reform.  Repubs tell your politicians to stop fighting it.  Most all of our top politicians, both parties, are bought and paid for, this has to stop. 

 

 

mikel

guapo - i did mean obumbles because he has done nothing but bumbled and fumbles EVERYTHING he has touched!

as for solyantra.  only an idiot gives a company that is pretty much a start-up with no proven track record over $550 million loan!  this was only accomplished because of the dems wanting to show us how much they know.  well, they sure showed us!