Ohio gov seeks to stop union law repeal effort

Ohio Gov. John Kasich and top Republican lawmakers said Wednesday they're offering to weaken a new law limiting collective bargaining in an attempt to keep a repeal effort off the November ballot.
Associated Press
Sep 15, 2011

 

Ohio Gov. John Kasich and top Republican lawmakers said Wednesday they're offering to weaken a new law limiting collective bargaining in an attempt to keep a repeal effort off the November ballot.

Kasich's administration released a letter asking for a meeting Friday to discuss a compromise with 10 union leaders authorized to negotiate on behalf of We Are Ohio, the group pushing for a repeal of the law. Kasich, Senate President Tom Niehaus, and House Speaker William Batchelder discussed the letter at a hastily called afternoon news conference.

The two-page letter reiterates supporters' backing for the collective bargaining overhaul and their confidence they can win in the fall, but it also signals a desire to avoid a costly ballot battle.

Kasich, a first-term Republican, told reporters he thought the state was headed in the right direction.

"But a divisive fight on these issues that could possibly be avoided is in the best interest of everyone, including public employees and people who support public employees."

In the letter, Kasich and the legislative leaders say voters and bond rating agencies have been increasingly frustrated with political brinksmanship in Washington surrounding the debate in Congress over the nation's debt limit.

"We have a fleeting opportunity in Ohio to take the higher road," they wrote.

We Are Ohio spokeswoman Melissa Fazekas said the group continues to oppose the collective bargaining measure and called on lawmakers to rescind it if they want to see the repeal question removed from the Nov. 8 ballot.

"I think it's awfully funny to now be standing here and talking about coming to the table when this entire bill takes away their rights to do so," she said.

The law restricts collective bargaining rights for more than 350,000 teachers, police officers, state employees and others. It bans public employee strikes and gets rid of automatic pay increases, replacing them with merit raises or performance pay.

It also allows public worker unions to negotiate wages, but not health care, sick time or pension benefits.

The measure was approved by the Republican-controlled state Legislature in March amid shouts and jeers from protesters in each chamber. Kasich, a first-term governor, signed it the same month, but it is blocked from taking effect until voters have their say.

His offer for a compromise came after a Wisconsin law limiting collective bargaining rights for most state employees prompted voters last week to recall two Republican state senators who supported it. They were among six lawmakers whom labor leaders had targeted.

Kasich and his Republican colleagues argue the Ohio legislation will help city officials, school superintendents and others control their costs at a time when they, too, are feeling budget woes.

Opponents contend the collective bargaining restrictions are an unfair attack on public employee unions that had worked cooperatively with their government employers for decades. They accuse lawmakers of exploiting a state budget crisis to pass a measure unpopular with a majority of Ohioans.

Senate Democratic Leader Capri Cafaro, whose caucus opposed the measure, interpreted Wednesday's letter as an admission by Kasich that it is flawed.

"The time to negotiate was during the legislative process, not 197 days after (the bill) was first introduced," Cafaro said. "Unfortunately, it has taken too long for the governor and GOP leaders to acknowledge they overreached."

The state has 655,000 union members, who constitute 13.7 percent of the work force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. That's more than the U.S. average rate of 11.9 percent.

Ohio lawmakers have been on summer break since early July, and they would have to be called back to Columbus to take any action on the legislation.

Batchelder told reporters that he would not have a problem asking members to return for a repeal vote. "Whatever we have to do to get it done," he said.

"I hate what's about to happen here," Batchelder said after the news conference. "This is going to be the damnedest mess anybody ever saw in terms of relationship between government and public employees."

The most recent campaign filing reports show that the group seeking the repeal has raised about $7 million.

The state's labor groups representing teachers, police officers and firefighters have also turned to their members to help pay for the repeal campaign.

A recent Quinnipiac University poll found that 56 percent of Ohio voters say the new collective bargaining law should be repealed, compared with 32 percent who favor keeping it in place.

Comments

Peninsula Pundit

"I hate what's about to happen here," Batchelder said after the news conference. "This is going to be the damnedest mess anybody ever saw in terms of relationship between government and public employees."

I guess he shoulda thought of that BEFORE shoving this down the throats of Ohioans.

Typical GOP, typical Kasick.

NJOYLIFE

 

Agree

 

Itsntallaboutu

I see the "NUT" is at it again.   I bet he will never be re-elected.   He should have been taken out of office as soon as he got there.   Whoever voted for this man is beyond me.

donutshopguy

 I think this should go before the voters as it was passed.

 The public votes and we move forward with or without SB 5.

What I would give to have someone in government stand up for what they believe in.

observer
Itsntallaboutu says

I see the "NUT" is at it again.   I bet he will never be re-elected.   He should have been taken out of office as soon as he got there.   Whoever voted for this man is beyond me.

 

 

 

Whatt???? This isn't about OBAMA!   LOL

 

the office cat

Before repealing SB5 IN ITS ENTIRETY, first REPEAL all the sections of the budget which contain many of the provisions in Sb5.

Did he really think we would not notice the attacks on public unions built into the budget?

44846GWP

We have the Republicans on the ropes now, don't let up, no compromise!!

bucknut36

 Hey, King Kasich, let the people decide! These politicians forget they are supposed to work for us!

Taxpayer2800

Stop the union war on the taxpayer.  Remember, public service union workers are tax consumers.  Our employees.

MHL

Repeal SB 5 ,Then repeal Kasich!!!!!!!!!

reader

On the state and national front the Republican party has attempted to use the concern about the deficit to crush union rights and weaken the middle class. 

As Mitch McConnell openly admitted after the 2010 election, his goal has been to ensure President Obama is a one term president.  Nothing about leading the country out of the worst economic crisis since the great depression of the 1930's..... just hell bent on weakening the president to lead to his defeat in 2012.

Its amazing....those same Republicans had no reservations about approving increases in the national debt limit for our previous president who started two wars on our credit card.

And Kasich jumped on the band wagon when he saw what the Republicans were able to do in Wisconsin.  And he wants to privatize the turnpike, prisons, schools....all so his campaign contributors can reap massive profits from the people of Ohio.

Repeal SB 5 and throw the bums out in 2012 !

devilsadvocate

Ten people can actually get this OFF the ballot?  Hope Kasich doesn't buy them off like he buys off eveyrone else

origen

Hey look folks the 16% of the population is trying to force the rest of us to pay them !!! Seems the dont understand that whole "majority" thing yet. I am a majority of 16% and i teach math !!! And people wonder why kids dont know how to count.

9299

 This is the same Batchelder who was asked earlier this year if he would favor a reduction in legislative pay (5% i think) at the same time that public employees were taking wage freezes and benefit cuts (many negotiated at bargaining tables), furloughs and layoffs and replied that he wouldn't consider it because he "works hard for his money".  This is a guy who has been on the public payroll for thirty years, benefitted from a good salary and benefits and will receive good benefits in retirement.

Apparently the "tools" that will be given to local gov'ts (meaning wage cuts, benefit cuts, etc) aren't to be used on Batchelder or his colleagues like they are to be used on all other public employees if SB 5 passes.

 

eriemom

Dale Butland, spokesman for the liberal think tank Innovation Ohio, questioned the sincerity of the Republicans' offer to negotiate.

"I think that it is a clumsy attempt to paint union workers as uncompromising and intransigent, but I think Ohioans are smarter than that," he said. "They know that a governor who calls police officers `idiots' and promises to `break the back' of teachers isn't interested in compromise."

Repeal the bill.

origen

Never paint anyone anything without a union official there is just the way they like it !!! lol

http://news.yahoo.com/union-organizer-suspected-shooting-non-union-ohio-employer-052606083.html

goofus
eriemom

 Goofus and origen: One nut case is all you have?

It seems to me that even though SB 5 only directly effects 16% of Ohio's population, most working class folk understand why it is an attack on the middle class. Read through some of the negative posts and you will find a majority of them come from management job-holders or business owners. Folks who work for another get the attitude.

Transigent workers might suggest that if Mr. Kasick wants to sit down and talk he might consider taking out a full page newspaper apology, such as the one that he demanded. Uncompromising? Doesn't negotiation demand compromise and that is what he is against. His attitude is the same as yours. You work for me and therefore you will do as I demand, and do it a minimal cost to me. Real compomise comes when the two parties recognise one another as equals.

reader

Kasich took office and hired all his department heads at much higher salaries than under the previous administration and actually cut the salaries of secretaries and lower staff members.

What's good for Ohio is only good for the working people.....the wage and benefit cuts.

No sacrifice for the governor's cronies and pals..... just the middle class working people.

origen

http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/ Web site full of them, The marxist ones are the best where they say "beat their heads in with crowbars and let them know we are on strike"  I think thats awesome !!! Maybe a little research on your part would see how corrupt the unions are.

goofus

Hmmm, one nut case? Tell me you aren't talking about the business owner who was attacked? This was  just the latest, you really don't want me to bring up all the SEIU beatdowns do you. I thought this was america and business owners have the freedom to run it as he or she wants to. If he wasn't paying a good wage, how can he staff his business?

whaa

I don't mind my tax dollars paying for police, firefighters, emts vacation ,  health care and retirement.  I do mind paying for teachers and state workers health care, vacations, and retirement.  I cannot afford my own retirement , healthcare and vacation. Union is just a  bunch of spoiled, overpaid, big cry babies! whaaa.

 

Kimo

 

No Deal.

No SB5

We will remember come November!

Don S

Where in the H_LL have these people been ? Wages have always tied to health care, pentions, and sick time as a money package, whenever it was connvienant to the management. Public employee unions now, then how long will it  be to attack the private companies unions ???? The repeal of SB 5 WILL cause a mess that was started by Kasick. What a pompus ass!!!!!! Lay the blame on his inflexabal shoulders.

man4451

 

 

SB5 SB-5 Senate Bill 5

 

Guaranteed to RAISE your TAXES

retired

Let's see... SB 5 gets put on a fast track and is passed with little discussion.  Now Kasich and his cronies in the general assembly want to talk?  Too late!  Repeal SB 5!!

Alford Plea

Kasich already said he didn't care if he was not re-elected.  Batchelder should know his days are numbered too.  He has been a much bigger leach on the taxpayers than the public employees he casts the blame on now. 

 

Alford Plea

Stop the bus or continue driving it toward that cliff Kasich.

wasthere

I want it on the ballot. I think the unions don't have the support that they think they do. Let's let the people decide.

Lived it

I do not work for a union, but I can tell you that I will vote to get SB5 overturned.  Vote NO on SB5

Bess

Origen- You are what you read.  The news aggregator that you link goes to is crazy anti-labor, and ownership is completely anonymous.  It appears to be “fair and balanced” like FOX news.  My research shows that unions disavowed Marxism two centuries ago, around 1885 because it was observed that everyone wanted the promised opportunity to be successful and collectivism would remove that promise. 

Goofus.  Your question is very strange “If he wasn't paying a good wage, how can he staff his business?”  Go to Texas the right-to-work state where the masses are in low paying jobs. 

origen

@Bess So disreguarding any and all information that does not agree with your personal standpoint is "open minded"? Thats the reason why this country is in the shape it is in, (you didnt read any of it huh?) People complain about huge companys controlling washington and at the same time want their 13% who pools their money together to buy a politician to have a major influence in politics. Unions are just as bad a bankers and the conglomerates, As they throw their money around forcing the rest of the population to conform to their agenda while playing the victim and working on people sympathys. Sorry Seems Verizon has brought back the violent Marxism "everything for the union worker" ideology. Please become informed about ALL sides of the argument before you shoot the messenger.

Pete

Throw out SB5

Replace with new simple law:

"No public entity in the State of Ohio may collect, process, forward, or otherwise have any fiscal responsibility for dues that are or will be sent to a collective bargaining organization"

I don't see how any union in this state could have a problem with this. If it is worth the money to belong, then the members will gladly send in their dues each week

mikel

wasthere - i agree with your statement.

memo to union leaders - your union workers will be screwed if you don't negotiate this.  just remember, if this stays on the ballot and gets voted down the pink slips will be going out.  then, snifff-sniff, we will hear, sniff-sniff, from all of the affected workers that they didn't even have a chance.  boo-hooooo.  of course the union leaders don't care because they will continue to get their pay!

Put America 1st

A message was sent in WIsconsin by the people and now it is time for Ohioians to send a message to politicians who attack working men and women. 

SimpleEnough

What? How about fixing a broken system that is leading us down the road of bankruptcy. Let's look at your statement.

abolish unemployment insurance....Employees don't pay unemployment insurance, the employer does, not the employee, so what right do you have to demand that unemployment insurance be maintained..maybe the employee should pay into it and then see how happy you are with the program when it becomes abused by those not entitled to it or it is expanded to cover others..because well they need it also.

Eliminate labor laws and farm programs.....How about we cut off the programs that are ripe for abuse, I don't believe in subsidizing mega/corporate farms and I'm not talking about family owned and run operations. How about pulling housing loans out of the Ag dept., "Housing and Communities Facilities Programs", I know a person who bought a home through this program because his credit was in the tank from walking away from his previous home and debt obligation. Couldn't get a traditional loan so the realor pushed it through this program, I don't agree with this type of abuse, he wasn't a farmer or anything associated with agriculture. LABOR LAWS..........What labor laws or rulings? Like maybe the one that the feds NLRB are trying to use to stop Boeing from opening a new plant in "Right to work state", Boeing has been shutdown how many times, because of their "eggs in one basket" operation in Washington state. Is this a bad decision, heck no, who wants a gun to their head when trying to produce a product and turn a profit. The current administration is trying to bring cost back inline, same thing with work rules and how the various agencies operate and conduct business, that is not the responsibility of the union.

Social Security...... we need to adress this program as it is not sustainible as the money has been spent elsewhere... by most all the current and previous poloticians.

What is wrong with trying to fix a broken system before heaping more taxes on the rest of us with no real thought of curbing runaway spending.

I have a question maybe some of the other posters could answer.

Have a union ever paid to have a library built, renovated or added to? Have a union ever put up the money to add to or build a hospital? Have a union ever donated it's property to have park built, or a museum or other cultural center? Just wondering.

 

EddieOs

 

Why negotiate. Repeal, then recall.

 

Make sure Diebold isn't doing the voting for us. bradblog.com has a lot of info about this.

donutshopguy

 Let the people decide on SB5.  I kinda like the idea of majority rule. Taxpayers foot the bill for government employees, whether they be police, firemen or teachers. It should be their decision. Lets vote.

Taxpayer

Kasich is showing WEAKNESS.  He wants to COMPROMISE.  I call BS on that!  If the PEOPLE decide and defeat the SB5 law, then so be it.  Of course that means you liberal losers, activists, media, acorn members and loser public sector UNIONS can NOT cheat in corrupting the vote like you usually do.  Just stay OUT of the cemeteries for your phony voter registrations.  Ha! Ha!  If you can NOT win, then CHEAT.  Hey, sounds EXACTLY like little TAXCHEAT Timmy Geithner, the secretary of the U.S. TREASURY!  Misery does love company!  Ha! Ha!  And you corrupt, public sector teacher's UNIONS teach the youth of our nation?  How about that story of high school kids being ready for college??  So 28% of high school graduates are ready for college?  That means 73% are NOT!!  The AP-0bama headline should be, "Test Shows 73 percent of Ohio students are NOT college-ready!"  How is THAT for a report card on our precious public school UNION teachers?  I say they all get an "F" for all those BILLIONS in tax dollar raises and donations to the UNION political fund.  You are being FORCED to PAY for more FAILURE.  Is that how you want to live?  So, it has become a socialist "protection racket" with teachers, cops and all public municipal employees??  Fair wage concept?  What are YOU making?  But, if that is the way YOU want to live, then allow a VOTE by the PEOPLE.  Let the PEOPLE decide and STOP trying to keep the initiative off the ballot.  I cannot believe Kasich is beginning to fold under pressure.  If the PEOPLE decide HONESTLY to defeat it, then let them VOTE.  I have options to this madness of tax and spend.  I have NO problems if the PEOPLE want to keep this state a "bottom-of-the-barrel", miserable, UNION, liberal loser one with people fleeing to get OUT!  It is exactly like the city.  People are FLEEING so there are LESS people to pay city taxes.  50% of the PEOPLE do NOT pay any taxes.  The liberal democrack solution?  Raise taxes on the people who are left or trapped to make sure they PAY their FAIR share!  Yeah, that "class envy" works every time!  Then the "flash mobs" will take over and YOU will howl at the moon and BLAME the police and city commissioners.  Like I have posted before, YOU are your OWN worse enemy.  Look in the mirror as to WHY things are going into the toilet and BLAME who YOU see!  Remember to KEEP PAYING for that protection.  I see most of those UNION teachers and public service employees live in Perkins.  Ha! Ha!  I would like to vote YES for a $100 MILLION school levy for Perkins.  That would be the ultimate good-bye "kiss of death" for you liberal sheep.  Ha! Ha!  Hey Kasich, let the PEOPLE decide!!       

goofus

The question is only strange to you Bess, Texas has nothing to do with it. The business owner is just north of Toledo and south of Detroit, right smack dab in union country. He has to be paying a wage pretty close to the union wage is order to maintain his electricians. Always bringing up right to work states without checking what the prevailing wages are or the cost of living. Clue to Bess a Texas slary might not work for New York City, but is good enough for the local cost of living!!!

Bess

Origen-  I never said, wrote or intimated I disregarded the web page.  I recently interviewed a union official who spoke to problems the unions experienced including his expert opinion on the underlying causes.  As for your comment on Verizon I would say only your facts about it are just wrong, not merely exaggerated.  Marxist central ownership of assets has nothing to do with their strike.

Goofus-  You wrote.. “The business owner is just north of Toledo and south of Detroit, right smack dab in union country. He has to be paying a wage pretty close to the union wage is order to maintain his electricians.”  Wow, that is the benefit of union strength.  So thank you for that statement.  As for your Texas comments I have lived in Texas and remain friends with many still there.  Just last night a friend spoke of 5,000 Section 8 vouchers to be raffled off to 40,000 applicants.  If the cost of living was what you say the demand presented would not be required.

origen

@bess

While recipients’ names and Verizon numbers have been removed, here is the e-mail (with emphasis added):

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:48 PM

Subject: updates for mon. 8-8

Another day and no good news. The company filed its initial injunction against us in Burkes county and asked that it be applied across the state. We won an initial appeal against that request so the company would have to get additional injunctions everywhere else. Apparently our appeal was overturned because I got word tonight that the initial injunction now applies everywhere. While I haven’t seen or read the document yet, I know it limits us to 6 on a line. I am trying to learn if that means 6 at an entrance or 6 at an address. I am also of the opinion that we aren’t going to tell the company any of this. Let those bastards figure it out for themselves. If we have more than 6 at a site and the company calls us on it then make them show us their copy of this injunction. As soon as I have a copy and have reviewed it I will get it into your hands as well. If we have to we will put any extra bodies in cars across the street and they will be our flight squad to chase the first truck out.

The company is using out of state cars/vehicles that are unmarked except for verizon door magnets. There is a possibility that other Unions may be accessing our facilities whether building or manhole. If they are you may first beat them repeatedly with a tire iron then advise them that we are on strike.

District 2-13 President Ed Mooney went to new York to meet with other Union Leaders as well as McAdams and came away convinced that this could develop into a very, very long fight. There was absolutely no positive that came from his meeting with McAdams.

Keep pushing the pickets at verizon wireless. The number of stores visited daily is a part of the call now. If you are out of fliers let me know. There is a new flier and I’ll get 100′s of copies made for us to hand out. If we can generate the support of the employees (look how hard we fight for employee rights, etc.) as well as the general public it bolsters our image and public support grows. Believe it or not the public is more with us than against us right now and we need to take steps to keep it that way. If we can keep people out of the stores it will also be a benefit to us because that is money that will be spent on a competitor and not verizon. Any lost profits in wireless only emphasize our value.

The company line is that WE are greedy. The truth is they don’t want to pay our health care. Keep in mind we are already footing 7% of the cost.

So far there is very little service interruption being reported from across the state but that could certainly change. There is no telling what the untrained scab ass contractors that this company is using are capable of. A non-Union contractor could do all kinds of damage and not even know it.

A new mobilization is to get everyone in the habit of calling repair several specific times a day. For example, some at 10am others at 11am etc. to keep a steady and disruptive volume of calls slowing the companies ability to take real ones. Have everyone dial *67 first if they are nervous about their number being tracked. A direct number to repair is xxx-xxx-xxxx in case the 800 # is busy. A direct fios number is xxx-xxx-xxxx. We can start our own time table to do this. I think the biggest part is to get EVERY member doing it at different times through out the day.

Last bit of gloom for today, there has been absolutely zero progress made in talks since we struck verizon. Mooney’s feelings were described as not days, not weeks but months. The company is surprised that we went on strike!

We cannot sit back and wait. You folks are kicking serious ass! It was requested that whenever possible get pictures of families walking our lines together. Spouses and children who stop by or come for a full shift need to be highlighted and photographed. Matt B. Thanks for the picture of the kids in Bethel. It is exactly what that is about.

Mr. Sosak, excellent use of the bullhorn today!!! I think you may be getting invitations to take your show to other rallies!!

Put the word out that we have a lot of work to do. Prepare everyone that their picket assignment is not their only responsibility and we have plenty for them to do.

Get some rest. We are just getting started.

Jon Remington
Unit 44 President
CWA Local 13000
412 480 6817
jremington44pres@msn.com

This is a internal verizion union E-Mail what am i to think about these people when  "If they are you may first beat them repeatedly with a tire iron then advise them that we are on strike." type of personalitys are directing the union on strike? Am i to respect their opinions or get beat? Or a third option, I can educate the other 87% of the population about the abuses perpatrated by the minority.

Bess

Origen-  Until I have verification from Jon Remington that this was authored by him and is authentic I will not address it.

origen

@Bess

  It is the E-mail that has been passed around alot lately, But along with this we all know how the unions work.

 Secondly, The union leaders and leading Democrats have taken to calling the Tea party Terrorist, Because as a minority the supposedly "held the country hostage", Wel isnt that ironic that another minority 13% of the state wants to hold the rest "hostage" . Get used to the rhetoric the unions survive off of it.

The New World Czar

While I like that Kasich administration has made tough choices to balance the state budget, this current "compromise" needs to be scrapped.

Let the public get educated on both sides of the issue, then decide it in November.

jas

When you shove something down the peoples throat, they either swallow it or vomit. Sounds like Kasich and his uncompromising pals don't want to see the vomit they created.

SanduskyMomOf3

Let me see...SB5 was passed and signed by the governor earlier this year. He said that he was going to "ram it down [the unions'] throats." Now that it's facing as much as a 20 point deficit in the polls, he's going to the unions and saying that he wants to talk it over? What possible reason has Kasich given the unions to trust him now? Leave SB5 on the ballot and let the chips fall as they may, or let the lawmakers repeal it themselves and start over.

I do have to say that it's a pretty smart ploy on Kasich's part. Although I don't believe for a minute that he actually wants to talk with the unions, if he can portray the unions as being unwilling to compromise, he may be able to sway enough voters to foil the repeal. In the meantime, he comes off smelling like a rose--either he is "the great negotiator," who brought unions to the table, or he can claim that he's just another victim of the "evil" unions. 

origen

Sorta reminds you of "Obamacare" huh?

donutshopguy

 Lets just vote. Either it passes as is or it is removed as part of our law.  Why is this so difficult? What are people so afraid of?  It's our decision. Lets vote, period.

 

 

 

mikel

gov kasich - please do as the gov of puerto rico did and FIRE all state employees.  then privatize and let them re-apply for their jobs under the private sector.  then we will see how many of the new employers would unionize.  i mean if unions are such a great deal then all would become union employers.

now before all of you lefties go and get crazy the gov of pr did do this.  however, he rehired approximately a third of the employees.

KURTje

Pinochet and Hitler hated Unions.

bucknut36

 @ origen says,

                              The GOP, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, etc. also make their living off of the "rhetoric"They don't care about the truth. They just want to see how many blind sheep will fill their pockets.

origen

Yes they all do, I agree. I dont prescibe to any of those though. The total black out of Ron Paul sickens me, Because heavens knows he scares them. Actual debate about the troubles that are concerning the country is whats needed, But the polarized sides are no help. Either sides that is the left and the right, Right now i lean more towards the libertarian side (which most see as far right But is more common sense than either of the accepted partys).

The blind sheep are what is killing this country, Lets all vote for the "lesser of two evils"  is the norm instead of trying to branch out and finding one that isnt "evil" at all. The GOP along with the DNC are both the same now, They both do nothing for the people while only caring for reelection funds.

Return of Dragon II

Tired of the name calling there Origen?  You do realize that calling people blind sheep and dead enders is name calling right?  Typical Tea-tard.  Now that your lovers quarrel is over with Centauri can you enlighten us as to why your name calling is acceptable and why when others do it.... well it is slander?  For the record, I never called you a tea-terrorist.  You are clearly a tea-tard.  The tea-terrorist are the ones with the money and the tea-tards of the ones that parrot the talking points.

origen

@RoD

 Seems the <insert name> and the <insert name>  blah de blah de blah ect ect....... to infinum with nothing to actually add is your ideology, Yes you are blind to the fact that your messiah and cheif is the same as bush And you follow his every word like a sheep to slaughter. So the names fitting. Sad thing is your food stamps are paid for with my dollars, Crank out another kid and sit back.

 Im sure we could all open each post with "the liberal commies and national socialist" would a direct mirror to your post but i sway away from those name because you are irrevelent, your thoughts,actions and words are all irrevelent to me. Name calling is all you have and it is sad, must have dropped out and not learned the whole rational debate thing huh? Talking about "talking points" Obama's misery tour 2011 is over and for the next few weeks you probably will have nothing to parrot from him, To bad too i enjoy watching you post the same thing over and over again like someone is actually listening to you.

 "So were "terrorist" for holding the country hostage?" Ok, Then : for what you are doing to future generations, You are Pedophiles. Own it."

Return of Dragon II

Origen you are a trip.  You claim that I cannot offer rational debate and then you claim that I am a pedophile?  Yeah that is a real strong argument and you clearly show your cognitive superiority with statements like that.    You want to accuse others of slander and then you throw that out there?  You are clearly a moron.  Do you really think that you are relevant?  As far as being a libertarian which incidently Ron Paul claims to be and you hate him, it is not a stretch to believe you hate gays and well...... I hope you work things out with Centauri just kiss and make up.

origen

LOL!! You are amusing, Where have i ever said i hated Ron Paul? As for the bottom of my post isnt that what messing with chidren is called? Selling them into slavery by having them being born into debt is akin to that.

And the name calling continues, Glad you stregnthen my point every time you type a post. Is that all you have seriously? Please try to construct a paragraph without calling a name, Bet you have a hard time doing it.

Besides that "Keep your hands off my government money you radical communists!" Quit talking into the mirror, hope they dont cut off your food stamps i like to see you healthy, You do amuse me alot. Sorta like Cent did last night so please dance for me monkey, I will continue to crank the handle just dance in your brainless way.   

As for revelency, Yes i fight your name calling with truth and common sense NOT more name calling.That makes me relevent.  So have at it little political minuet,Spew your hatred for common sense through name calling and rhetoric, Amuse me further!!!

Why dont you just change your name to "Return of the Freeloading foul mouthed Troll" it would make more sense.

Centauri

@ origen and ROD II

You two are too funny together. You would make a good comic team, like Abbott and Costello.  I wish that I could have joined in the fun. How come I wasn't invited since you are talking about me in my absence?

I need to explain something to both of you. I have been known to act out sometimes on blogs just to see the reactions that I get from others.

You two need a hug.  ((origen, ROD II))

@ ROD II   you remind me of Chung Lee who used to post comments in the past.

 

 

Return of Dragon II

Centauri thanks for the "smart off" you had with Origen it was a great laugh.

Ned Mandingo

Now kasich wants to negoiate? HE has no right to. Looks like this single term governor is realizing who his boss is.

Maby he should first disclose the facts about his friend who he appointed to head the department of corrections, the same guy who came from a private corrections company that won the contracts for prisons he is privatizing. Isn't that a conflict of intrest?

Bottom line is this guy is a scumbag.

 

Outside lookin in

Ned, I agree.  The Governor should not negotiate with the Union Thugs!  I want the right to Vote against throwing out the new law.....and against the lifetime leaches on society---the government unions.  You want me, as a taxpayer, to pay for these Union leaches from the 1st day the get hired to the day they die. Including their burial.  Look what happened in Wisconsin.....The Unions lost twice.  Same is going to happen here in Ohio.