Report: Feds seize Verizon phone records

Newspaper says NSA is collecting phone records of millions Americans under secret court order
Associated Press
Jun 5, 2013

 

The National Security Agency currently is collecting the telephone records of millions of U.S. customers of Verizon under a top secret court order, Britain's Guardian newspaper said Wednesday.

The order was granted by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on April 25 and was good until July 19, the newspaper said. The order requires Verizon, one of the nation's largest telecommunications companies, on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the U.S. and between the U.S. and other countries.

The newspaper said the document, a copy of which it had obtained, shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of U.S. citizens were being collected indiscriminately and in bulk, regardless of whether they were suspected of any wrongdoing.

The Associated Press could not authenticate the order because documents from the court are classified.

Verizon spokesman Ed McFadden said Wednesday the company had no comment. The White House declined comment and referred questions to the NSA. The NSA had no immediate comment.

Under the terms of the order, the phone numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered, The Guardian said.

The broad, unlimited nature of the records being handed over to the NSA is unusual. FISA court orders typically direct the production of records pertaining to a specific named target suspected of being an agent of a terrorist group or foreign state, or a finite set of individually named targets. NSA warrantless wiretapping during the George W. Bush administration after the 9/11 attacks was very controversial.

The FISA court order, signed by Judge Roger Vinson, compelled Verizon to produce to the NSA electronic copies of "all call detail records or telephony metadata created by Verizon for communications between the United States and abroad" or "wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls," The Guardian said.

The law on which the order explicitly relies is the "business records" provision of the USA Patriot Act.

Comments

Blues

"Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you

Every single day
Every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I'll be watching you....."

The Police, ca 1983

Contango

Good observation.

I might add:

"1984" by both Spirit and David Bowie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K...

zachfromsandusky2

Funny thing is the Democrats and recipients of "entitlements " that voted this fraud into office twice are the one I hear complaining about him the loudest now a days. Pretty sure this country is reaping what it's has sewn for many years!

Rationally Speaking

Blue, A perfect remark
My mother-in-law warned us that the government was getting to be like Hitler was in the 1930's. Take a little of everyone's freedom one day at a time. Soon you have Totalitarianism. The government owns you, your possessions, and your thoughts, etc.

There you go again

The problem is that is what Obama promised in his campaign and that is exactly what we are getting. Who do we blame? Us, the voters!

nonconformist

You really believe it matters who you vote for? You're delusional.

Fromthe419

Josef Stalin
You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how."
and
It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)

We only get to vote for those that are vetted by the financial elites and the multinational corporations, face it folks we are now a fascist nation and I ain't blaming it on Obama, I'm blaming all of us that put career politicians in DC and let them serve their own self interests instead of serving us.

meowmix

Rationally Speaking's Theme Song:
And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha

They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha

To the loony bin with all you can eat perscription drugs like thorizine, and lithium, and electric shock and insulin

They're coming to take me away Ha Ha

Rationally Speaking

Infringements on your "constitutional rights" are being attacked. If you feel that way, it is OK with me. I was only making an observation of a person who had to live through that era. If I would have mentioned "christianity, or " Islam" or one race versus another, or "Liberal" or Conservative" I'm sure you would have had a comment. or will have another comment. Isn't Freedom of Speech a wonderful right. Don't take offense, but I Hope you have a Good Day.

Contango

"They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.

Because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which WE CAN'T BE TRUSTED (emphasis mine).”

- Pres. Obama, May 5, 2013

"We can't be trusted." - Every once in a while the truth slips out.

The Bizness

This isn't the first time

"The order is allowed under the Patriot Act, and it is not the first time such an action has been taken.

In 2006, it was revealed that the NSA was secretly collecting telephone records as part of an effort to root out potential terror plots." -CNN.com

I want congress to take some action on this and repeal the patriot act.

That law could be the end of the U.S.

Contango

Re: "This isn't the first time"

Lincoln: Suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, exile and/or imprisonment of political opponents, income tax, fiat currency, military conscription, et al.

Wilson: Espionage Act, imprisonment of political opponents, military conscription, et al.

We've 'supposedly' killed so many officers and top leaders of al Qaeda; that they would in 'reality' have had to have had a command and control structure greater than the entire U.S. Pentagon.

The Bizness

I have no idea what this post means. Put down the whiskey, and go back to listening to some Glenn Beck or something.

The patriot act should be repealed and the government should not be looking at phone records unless it is on a per person basis when a crime is suspected, can't we just agree on that?

For all we know the "metadata" could have been used to connect a huge cluster of U.S. sleeper cells in our country, but now that it is leaked that ruined that plan. Sucks to live in a place where that could be possible.

Contango

Re: "I have no idea what this post means."

Obviously not a student of History. :)

Good luck repealing the PA and the NDAA.

The fox is in the henhouse.

Contango

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

- Ronald Reagan.

The Bizness

Tell that to the people in New Jersey after Sandy, or in Joplin after the tornado.

Would you rather those places just be left alone, and not have FEMA do anything?

Contango

FEMA is broke. Ask the people there how well it functioned and is functioning for them.

Keep believing the political fiction and media spin.

The Bizness

Yeah, just let those people fend for themselves and not have any help. Great idea, I thought you were smarter than that.

http://www.politico.com/news/sto...

I don't know what political fiction and media spin you are talking about because I know that the system is not perfect but it is better than not helping at all.

Contango

Re: "Yeah, just let those people fend for themselves and not have any help."

That's your ass-umption, not mine.

Charities, personal insurance, state aid, etc.

You DID see the title of the article right?

"FEMA has plenty of money THIS TIME (emphasis mine)".

The Feds are $16 TRILLION in DEBT!

Just keep borrowing and printing....

The Bizness

So you would rather have FEMA dismantled and proportion the money to the states? I don't see much wrong with that.

Contango

Block grants? Watch out, you're startin' to think like a Repub. :)

Regardless, it's still borrowing and printing and going further into debt.

IMO, the Feds will NEVER give up the power and control.

IMO, the people will continue to be resilient and figure out ways to go around the central planning bureaucrats until the whole damn thing collapses.

You do know that "System D," the underground economy is the second largest in the world?

http://www.freakonomics.com/2011...

The Bizness

I agree with you on many things.

I am only very liberal on issues pertaining to the environment, and health.

Other than those two things I would love to see the government shrink.

Some other times I just like to offer opposing viewpoints on here, or call people out when they post misinformation.

Contango

Re: "I would love to see the government shrink."

IMO, it ain't gonna happen until it's forced kicking and screaming.

In the meantime, my course of action is to diversify assets with the intent of protecting me and my own as best as possible.

Watch Europe as the (newest) poster boy for the failure of socialism.

Argentina is in the process of economic and social collapse as well.

IMO, it boils down to economics - the allocation of resources.

The central planners think that they know better, I trust the market. And Mr. Market will ALWAYS win!

Big fan of von Mises!

EXCELLENT piece:

http://mises.org/daily/6081/

Nemesis

"I am only very liberal on issues pertaining to the environment, and health."

Surely a bright young individual like you could come up with a way to address those issues without Big Brother. If humanity can't find a way to clean up their mess without holding a gun to anyone's head, perhaps we should just choke to extinction on our own pollution.

Nemesis

"So you would rather have FEMA dismantled and proportion the money to the states?"

Actually, no. Far better to cut out Washington as the skimming middleman. Dismantle FEMA, cut taxes proportionately, and let the states tax their citizens directly. I'd much rather send my taxes to Columbus than DC - it's a lot easier to drive there and give politicians a piece of my mind if I don't like how they're spending it.

arnmcrmn

Good God is this was Bush....your typical liberal posters would be going CRAZY on here.....instead we have silence from coasterfan, little pup, betrump...etc. HYPOCRITESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

The Bizness

Bush did it too, see above post...

However, Obama shouldn't be doing it as well. Repeal the Patriot Act

Contango

Re: "Bush did it too, see above post..."

As in varying degrees did Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, et al.

Manning is being whacked with the Espionage Act of 1917.

The U.S. govt. would LOVE to get its grubby paws on Assange.

Blues

Lincoln is most of the USA's favorite POTUS. He started all of this crap.

arnmcrmn

My point was that if this thread had Bush's name in it the crickets that are now hiding, would be chirping on here.

Nemesis

The biggest obstacle to regaining our freedom is half the country loves fascism whenever their guy is wearing the iron glove. Which half alternates every 4-8 years.

swiss cheese kat

The big pup invited his pals over for a tea party, but kool-aid is on the menu.

grandmasgirl

OK, I know I am going to get comments about my point of view. I don't think it's right that the government is getting records of who I call and who calls me, but I have nothing to hide. Hope they enjoy seeing me call my kids, the doctor, etc. I just want to know who is getting paid to go thru all these calls, and how much is it costing the taxpayers?

Fromthe419

Depending on if it's the CIA, NSA or the FBI around 20 billion, it's estimated the combined budget of the three is 60 billion.

2cents's picture
2cents

Hey! Now your going to get audited by the IRS too : )

Blues

Politics matter not, one side or the other. Both sides are agreeing on one thing. They (the gov't and corporate) get the money and belittle the rest...

Contango

“Presidents are selected, not elected.” - FDR

shucks

This is the year 2013, Confago.

Fromthe419

Sadly, not much has changed in the last 70 years with regard to our two party system. No one will get nominated for President that has not been vetted by the financial elites and multinational corporations. You may get to choose who you vote for, but you don't get to choose who is on the ballot.

Blues

Amen.

Contango

Yea, Mrs. Clinton 'mighta' been more difficult to manipulate than the Puppet-in-Chief. :)

Towards the end of the primaries, she was trouncing Mr. Obama - the 'game clock' just ran out.

shucks

"You may get to choose who you vote for, but you don't get to choose who is on the ballot." ???

Frankly, your comments make you look dumb.You sound like Confago.

Contango

Re: "You sound..." ?

We're WRITING here; if you're hearing voices they're in YOUR HEAD. :)

^^^ "“He's gotten nuttier.” – 4shizzle, 6/5/13

shucks

Have another drink, Contessa.

Contango

^^^ “He's gotten nuttier.” – 4shizzle, 6/5/13 :)

Fromthe419

I'm just calling it the way I see it 4shizzle, if you don't agree with me fine, but name calling does not make you look smart. I think the current 2 party system we have now is divisive for the nation as there are not term limits that allows governing to occur. I'd like your thoughts as to how anything can get done in DC.

Contango

Re: "How anything can get done in DC."

IMO: Starve the Beast.

No socialist has been able to name for me ONE program or agency which has EVER been eliminated BY EITHER PARTY!

Yet, the Sequester, which reduced spending by approx. 1% over TEN YEARS has the socialists squealing like pigs over severe "austerity."

IMO, we will either practice good fiscal policy OR we will have a fiscal catastrophe thrust upon us.

And in all likelihood, the later will be the result and it won’t be pretty.

The Big Dog's back

WPA, CCC, Defense board. How many more do you want me to name pooh?

Contango

Morphed into bigger and more expensive programs - not ended.

So you're a socialist?

shucks

-419
Maybe I could have said it better? But that was a pretty dumb comment.

"You may get to choose who you vote for, but you don't get to choose who is on the ballot."
Of course not!!! You can't get everything YOU want. It's a process of elimination. All the presidential candidates can't be president, can they?!! Everyone of those candidates had people behind them who would have liked to see them win.
Did I really have to have to explain that?

What's going on in DC?
Tell the Republicans to stop screwing around and do thier job.

Contango

^^^ "That was a pretty dumb comment." :)

arnmcrmn

How is a party that wants to be in power screwing up the party in power.....wow, talk about a really dumb comment. NO SURPRISE THOUGH :)

Contango

Yea, in the useful idiot's socialist mind it’s: Spend, spend, spend, borrow, borrow, borrow, tax, tax, tax and print, print, print our way to prosperity eh? :)

Unemployment is reaching post-War records in Europe - gotta LOVE that SOCIALISM.

The Big Dog's back

Repub's are in control of the "purse" strings.

Contango

4shizzle writes:

"Tell the Republicans to stop screwing around and do thier job."

"Thier"?

We're trying to communicate with an illiterate socialist – NOT SURPRISED. :)

Fromthe419

4shizzle
Do you agree that term limits for congressmen would help end the divisiveness that is prevalent in Washington? Instead of serving their own interests and worrying about the next election they would govern with their constituents interests in mind. My point about the ballot thing is that both Obama and Romney had the approval of financial elites and big business or they would not have been on the ballot. You and me are left to pick the 2 they deem worthy of being President.

shucks

"Do you agree that term limits for congressmen would help end the divisiveness that is prevalent in Washington?"
You'd still have Democrats and Republicans.

Running for president costs lots of money. Somebody has to pay for it.

Fromthe419

I guess gridlock will rule the day, I personally believe term limits are the answer, but apparently no one else feels that way, oh well....I put it out there. Since I've switched to Independent, I'm willing to listen to anyone (left or right) for solutions to get governing done and stop this senseless partisan bickering.

Contango

"The country of Aljazeera has Sharia law." - 4shizzle, 05/29/2013

Is that near the "country" of Comedy Channel? :)

shucks

Have another drink, Contessa.

Contango

^^^ “He's gotten nuttier.” – 4shizzle, 6/5/13 :)

shucks

^^^“I've got better things to do than to bicker with you.”

Contango

^^^ “Later Satan's channel.” – 4shizzle, 6/5/13 :)

shucks

Talking to your self I see.

shucks

.

The Big Dog's back

He's drinking pretty heavily lately.

shucks

He's a drunken fool.

Contango

^^^ "You taunt like the immature person you are." - 4shizzle, 6/4/13 :)

Contango

Re: He's drinking pretty heavily lately.

^^^“Another insightful comment by bonehead.” - the Big Dog’s back, 6/5/13 :)

shucks

Must be " Binge Week" for Contango.

anti-sanduskian

Gotta love that "Patriot" act now huh??? Reasonable expectation of privacy that EACH citizen has is being completely trampled on...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..."

juzzmytake

Big Brother. It's happening.
Book: 1984 by George Orwell.

Contango

Great book!

IMO, we're closer to "Brave New World" - amusing ourselves into a dystopia.

lugnut2511

Wait,,,The contents of the conversations is not covered? Wow What is it they looking for, people who gone over on their minutes then?? WTF! Another waste of taxpayers dollars..I pray the next 3.5 years go by fast, before we as Americans have no rights what so ever....

Centauri

http://ncncs.wordpress.com/2013/...
"Our government in their ‘twisted way’ has enacted laws that directly infringe on our, the American citizens, liberty, freedom and assumed rights of privacy. I encourage all to read and research and come to your own conclusions. To begin your research begin with FISA, the NDAA, Patriot Act those are only the tip of the iceberg."

I am puzzled by some of the comments here on sanduskyregister.com. Why would you support the taking away of freedoms and rights of American citizens? If you support the government's assault on the rights and freedoms of Americans, then sign a waiver to give up your rights and freedoms. I and others as political activists will continue the fight to preserve what freedoms and rights of Americans are still intact.

Centauri

From the link that I posted above:

"Suppose you received a wrong number call or text message from a suspected terrorist either from this terrorist located in the U.S. or in a foreign country plausible we all receive from time to time wrong number calls. Oops now you are part of the data record they seek. To add to this scenario lets suppose you are a regular blogger and have made comments the government would find offensive. Lets add a few more ingredients suppose you own a cache of weapons, hunting, designated assault weapons .."

You got a wrong number call from terrorists. Expect a raid on your house by the storm troopers.

Centauri

The government no longer fears its citizens.

Contango

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.):

"'I'm a Verizon customer,' Graham said. 'I don't mind Verizon turning over records to the government if the government is going to make sure that they try to match up a known terrorist phone with somebody in the United States.'"

Being a part of the American Ruling Class (nomenklatura) he wouldn't.

Vote for EITHER one of the Dumb and Dumber parties - IT DOESN'T MATTER!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

Remember: "McBama" and then "Obamny" won!

Kimo

Re:"I just want to know who is getting paid to go thru all these calls, and how much is it costing the taxpayers?"

Done with a computer.

Only a handful out of the millions will ever get a glance.

Contango

"AT&T alone now responds to an average of more than 700 requests a day, with about 230 of them regarded as emergencies that do not require the normal court orders and subpoena."

Note: The govt. declares them as EMERGENCIES - no court order needed.

Kinda like THEY get to decide WHO is and who is NOT a "terrorist" before THEY arrest you, put you in military confinement or "drone" you and your family.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/0...

Contango

"The Secret Law Behind NSA's Verizon Snooping":

"The legal interpretation of the 2001 Patriot Act that the court appears to have used was itself classified."

YIKES!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

A govt. of the ruling class, by the ruling class and for the ruling class.

The Big Dog's back

You normally would love that. Maybe you should'nt quit drinking.

Contango

Re: You normally would love that. Maybe you should'nt quit drinking.

^^^ "I was thinking more like a registered maroon." - Big Dog, 6/2/13 :)

Centauri

http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/...
"A former decorated undercover FBI agent, Mike German, explains how the national security state, in league with local law enforcement, is secretly targeting Americans for political views and activities perceived as a threat to the political establishment.

German concentrates on the constitutional abuses of fusion centers and cites the Missouri Information Analysis Center report targeting Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin as rightwing terrorists and the 2009 Virginia Terrorism Threat Assessment, produced by the Virginia Fusion Center, that singled out political groups as terrorist threats. Both reports were leaked to the media and covered extensively by Alex Jones and Infowars.com.

German notes that local law enforcement is now used as a weapon against anti-establishment politicians, activists and political organizations –"

The political activists and watchdogs who fight to preserve the freedoms and rights for all Americans are now being targeted. How many of you support the governments actions against the watchdogs and political activists intimidation and oppressive actions? Phone records will only assure that more political activists and watchdogs will be identified and punished by the powerful elite who have taken over our government.

Centauri

http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/...
"Top senators defend NSA collection of Americans’ phone calls"

Democrat or Republican, they both are the powerful elite. They don't care about American freedoms and rights for the citizens.

Hope and change?

Contango

Pres. Obama:

"This is the most transparent administration in History."

"Every visitor that comes into the White House is now part of the record,”

(Except when the head of the IRS visits hundreds of times and then MAYBE the numbers aren't right.)

“Just about every law that we pass and rule that we implement we put online for everyone to see.”

"Just about,"? Except for those that we NEED to hide.

F'n liar.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

The Big Dog's back

Burp.

swiss cheese kat

Easy on the kool-aid pup.

Contango

Re: "Burp"

^^^“Another insightful comment by bonehead.” - the Big Dog’s back, 6/5/13 :)

Contango

^^^“You have gotten crazier.” – 4shizzle, 6/5/13 :)

Erie County Resident

It is going to be ok.
You have nothing to fear from the DOJ and the Obamnazis.
I know the liberal clowns on here will say, "But Bush started it". Yes he did but he DIDN'T abuse it like Obama has and continues to do.

deertracker

"Seize" is the wrong terminology. It was all done by the letter of the law. Pay attention people!!! Nothing new here!

Contango

Re: "letter of the law"

Try: "Secret Warrant."

"We now know that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency used the Patriot Act to obtain a secret warrant to compel Verizon’s business services division to turn over data on every single call that went through its system." - NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/0...

Now we've got "Benghazi talking points liar" Susan Rice as head of the NSA.

LadyC

Several years ago, 2007 I believe, a rebate for bundled service excise tax was made available via a tax credit. Perhaps this is a similar situation, as the cell providers also have several bundled services. The optimist in me would like to believe that these cell providers, with their expensive and confusing contracts and questionable services, may be under scrutiny, and not us, the individuals.

KURTje

Who started that there patriot act?

Fromthe419

That would be George W Bush and now President Barrack Obama thought it was such a good idea he decided to extend it for a few more years. Heck, who ever is in office after him will do the same. I'm sure it will be a permanent act of law.

Contango

NEWS FLASH: The New York Times editorial board joins the tinfoil hat conspiracy crowd.

"The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/0...

Contango

NEWS FLASH: Al Gore joins the tinfoil hat conspiracy crowd.

"Al Gore calls Obama administration’s collection of phone records ‘obscenely outrageous’":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/bl...

Blues

Didn't Al Gore invent the Internet? LOL

Contango

By the looks of him, he may have invented the Big Mac. :)

No need to worry about global warming, Al's eatin' up the planet.

Let's look at the Dems last couple Pres. and VP candidates:

Gore - divorced
Lieberman - tossed out of Dem party, supported McCain.
Edwards - divorced, disgraced.
Kerry - still henpecked.

Contango

Pres. Obama says: Don't be shocked! EVERYONE in the govt. knew about the NSA program!

Gotta wonder why so many Dem members of Congress have been stating that they were clueless and are pilin' on?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

Contango

"President Barack Obama should end the broad surveillance of telephone calls and Internet usage, Democratic Senator Joe Manchin said today."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

Yep! According to Mr. Obama; EVERYBODY KNEW. :)

Nemesis

Bottom line, we're living in J. Edgar Hoover's wet dream.

Centauri

http://rt.com/usa/anonymous-leak...
'How little rights you have:' Anonymous leaks more PRISM-related NSA docs

Centauri

http://leaksource.wordpress.com/
NSA FILES

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith...
Public Documents Contradict Claim Email Spying Foiled Terror Plot