Report: Feds seize Verizon phone records

Newspaper says NSA is collecting phone records of millions Americans under secret court order
Associated Press
Jun 5, 2013

The National Security Agency currently is collecting the telephone records of millions of U.S. customers of Verizon under a top secret court order, Britain's Guardian newspaper said Wednesday.

The order was granted by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on April 25 and was good until July 19, the newspaper said. The order requires Verizon, one of the nation's largest telecommunications companies, on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the U.S. and between the U.S. and other countries.

The newspaper said the document, a copy of which it had obtained, shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of U.S. citizens were being collected indiscriminately and in bulk, regardless of whether they were suspected of any wrongdoing.

The Associated Press could not authenticate the order because documents from the court are classified.

Verizon spokesman Ed McFadden said Wednesday the company had no comment. The White House declined comment and referred questions to the NSA. The NSA had no immediate comment.

Under the terms of the order, the phone numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered, The Guardian said.

The broad, unlimited nature of the records being handed over to the NSA is unusual. FISA court orders typically direct the production of records pertaining to a specific named target suspected of being an agent of a terrorist group or foreign state, or a finite set of individually named targets. NSA warrantless wiretapping during the George W. Bush administration after the 9/11 attacks was very controversial.

The FISA court order, signed by Judge Roger Vinson, compelled Verizon to produce to the NSA electronic copies of "all call detail records or telephony metadata created by Verizon for communications between the United States and abroad" or "wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls," The Guardian said.

The law on which the order explicitly relies is the "business records" provision of the USA Patriot Act.



"Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you

Every single day
Every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I'll be watching you....."

The Police, ca 1983


Good observation.

I might add:

"1984" by both Spirit and David Bowie.


Funny thing is the Democrats and recipients of "entitlements " that voted this fraud into office twice are the one I hear complaining about him the loudest now a days. Pretty sure this country is reaping what it's has sewn for many years!

Rationally Speaking

Blue, A perfect remark
My mother-in-law warned us that the government was getting to be like Hitler was in the 1930's. Take a little of everyone's freedom one day at a time. Soon you have Totalitarianism. The government owns you, your possessions, and your thoughts, etc.

There you go again

The problem is that is what Obama promised in his campaign and that is exactly what we are getting. Who do we blame? Us, the voters!


You really believe it matters who you vote for? You're delusional.


Josef Stalin
You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how."
It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)

We only get to vote for those that are vetted by the financial elites and the multinational corporations, face it folks we are now a fascist nation and I ain't blaming it on Obama, I'm blaming all of us that put career politicians in DC and let them serve their own self interests instead of serving us.


Rationally Speaking's Theme Song:
And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha

They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha

To the loony bin with all you can eat perscription drugs like thorizine, and lithium, and electric shock and insulin

They're coming to take me away Ha Ha

Rationally Speaking

Infringements on your "constitutional rights" are being attacked. If you feel that way, it is OK with me. I was only making an observation of a person who had to live through that era. If I would have mentioned "christianity, or " Islam" or one race versus another, or "Liberal" or Conservative" I'm sure you would have had a comment. or will have another comment. Isn't Freedom of Speech a wonderful right. Don't take offense, but I Hope you have a Good Day.


"They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.

Because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which WE CAN'T BE TRUSTED (emphasis mine).”

- Pres. Obama, May 5, 2013

"We can't be trusted." - Every once in a while the truth slips out.

The Bizness

This isn't the first time

"The order is allowed under the Patriot Act, and it is not the first time such an action has been taken.

In 2006, it was revealed that the NSA was secretly collecting telephone records as part of an effort to root out potential terror plots."

I want congress to take some action on this and repeal the patriot act.

That law could be the end of the U.S.


Re: "This isn't the first time"

Lincoln: Suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, exile and/or imprisonment of political opponents, income tax, fiat currency, military conscription, et al.

Wilson: Espionage Act, imprisonment of political opponents, military conscription, et al.

We've 'supposedly' killed so many officers and top leaders of al Qaeda; that they would in 'reality' have had to have had a command and control structure greater than the entire U.S. Pentagon.

The Bizness

I have no idea what this post means. Put down the whiskey, and go back to listening to some Glenn Beck or something.

The patriot act should be repealed and the government should not be looking at phone records unless it is on a per person basis when a crime is suspected, can't we just agree on that?

For all we know the "metadata" could have been used to connect a huge cluster of U.S. sleeper cells in our country, but now that it is leaked that ruined that plan. Sucks to live in a place where that could be possible.


Re: "I have no idea what this post means."

Obviously not a student of History. :)

Good luck repealing the PA and the NDAA.

The fox is in the henhouse.


"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

- Ronald Reagan.

The Bizness

Tell that to the people in New Jersey after Sandy, or in Joplin after the tornado.

Would you rather those places just be left alone, and not have FEMA do anything?


FEMA is broke. Ask the people there how well it functioned and is functioning for them.

Keep believing the political fiction and media spin.

The Bizness

Yeah, just let those people fend for themselves and not have any help. Great idea, I thought you were smarter than that.

I don't know what political fiction and media spin you are talking about because I know that the system is not perfect but it is better than not helping at all.


Re: "Yeah, just let those people fend for themselves and not have any help."

That's your ass-umption, not mine.

Charities, personal insurance, state aid, etc.

You DID see the title of the article right?

"FEMA has plenty of money THIS TIME (emphasis mine)".

The Feds are $16 TRILLION in DEBT!

Just keep borrowing and printing....

The Bizness

So you would rather have FEMA dismantled and proportion the money to the states? I don't see much wrong with that.


Block grants? Watch out, you're startin' to think like a Repub. :)

Regardless, it's still borrowing and printing and going further into debt.

IMO, the Feds will NEVER give up the power and control.

IMO, the people will continue to be resilient and figure out ways to go around the central planning bureaucrats until the whole damn thing collapses.

You do know that "System D," the underground economy is the second largest in the world?

The Bizness

I agree with you on many things.

I am only very liberal on issues pertaining to the environment, and health.

Other than those two things I would love to see the government shrink.

Some other times I just like to offer opposing viewpoints on here, or call people out when they post misinformation.


Re: "I would love to see the government shrink."

IMO, it ain't gonna happen until it's forced kicking and screaming.

In the meantime, my course of action is to diversify assets with the intent of protecting me and my own as best as possible.

Watch Europe as the (newest) poster boy for the failure of socialism.

Argentina is in the process of economic and social collapse as well.

IMO, it boils down to economics - the allocation of resources.

The central planners think that they know better, I trust the market. And Mr. Market will ALWAYS win!

Big fan of von Mises!



"I am only very liberal on issues pertaining to the environment, and health."

Surely a bright young individual like you could come up with a way to address those issues without Big Brother. If humanity can't find a way to clean up their mess without holding a gun to anyone's head, perhaps we should just choke to extinction on our own pollution.


"So you would rather have FEMA dismantled and proportion the money to the states?"

Actually, no. Far better to cut out Washington as the skimming middleman. Dismantle FEMA, cut taxes proportionately, and let the states tax their citizens directly. I'd much rather send my taxes to Columbus than DC - it's a lot easier to drive there and give politicians a piece of my mind if I don't like how they're spending it.


Good God is this was Bush....your typical liberal posters would be going CRAZY on here.....instead we have silence from coasterfan, little pup, betrump...etc. HYPOCRITESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

The Bizness

Bush did it too, see above post...

However, Obama shouldn't be doing it as well. Repeal the Patriot Act


Re: "Bush did it too, see above post..."

As in varying degrees did Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, et al.

Manning is being whacked with the Espionage Act of 1917.

The U.S. govt. would LOVE to get its grubby paws on Assange.


Lincoln is most of the USA's favorite POTUS. He started all of this crap.


My point was that if this thread had Bush's name in it the crickets that are now hiding, would be chirping on here.