2012 Sandusky murders double state average

For such a small community, a year marred with seven homicides does more than raise an eyebrow.
Jessica Cuffman
Dec 20, 2012

It calls for an examination of violent crime and it's causes, and whether steps can be taken to prevent it. There is no pattern or obvious explanation for so many deaths during the past six months in Sandusky, officials say.

But there is one link. All the victims appear to have known their attackers.

Pick up a copy of Thursday's Sandusky Register to see what local officials have to say about the increased number of homicides in contrast to decreasing instances of gang violence.
 

Comments

richrs

Julie

I've said it before. They all will get pled out. It costs to much to take them to trial.

Julie R.

richrs:

Your courts sure have enough money when it comes to those illegal scams they are well-known for. They have enough money for those old rent-a-judges they forever use, too. In other words, they sure have enough money when it comes to their own personal agendas .... but it cost too much money to actually do the jobs they are being paid to do?

If I were really ignorant now I would believe that ..... only I'm not ignorant.

wiredmama222

I think Donutshopguy has it partially right. The moral compass of some are broken. Moral value starts in the home. You want the madness to stop, start to fix the problem by addressing it in the home. Reach the kids who do these crimes BEFORE they do them by insilling some values at the right ages. Teach them respect and responsibility.

For those over the age you can reach, show them that there are consequences for their actions. Right now, most already know they won't have to spend much time in jail as that decision has been made. The judges have been told to redress their time to county jail because of over-crowding, so they have no fear. I feel sorry for the cops.

Yes to those of you who say we need more police. We do. Perhaps more so than fixing the streets as much or worrying about the Pavilion or docking of boats or our shoreline. Who wants to come here with all this crime anyway?

This society is sadly lacking in work, FROMTHE419 is very correct in his statements as well. No work, no food and money. The very root of why people commit crimes in the first place.

Then there is mental health causes and gun control. Huge issues that will take awhile to sort out. They have always been with us.

We have been so complacent all these years, just sitting back watching others go through this, not REALLY caring until a terrible tragedy took two children and a mother. It brought us out of our ambivolence and shook us all. Then another child died and another and an adult. Suddenly we are innudated with death.

Now we finally see we are like any other American City with crime. For the first time we see and we are scared. This is why we need our police protection, police patrols and kids who RESPECT them out there. Maybe the new chief of police will make that happen and the commissioners best cooperate with that. It is their responsibility to do so, without argument or debate.

Let the police do their jobs and make darn sure the kids know they MUST respect the cops who do their jobs. How often after a tragedy do we see family members second guessing the police jobs, especially when they were not even there? That just itsn't fair or right. Its about time we supported the police, not downed them at every turn. When the new chief takes over I suggest we do just that if it is warranted. I hope he does a better job than what we have been seeing, but I have faith.

I also wish parents would do THEIR jobs and raise their children.

I wish they would go back to that announcement on TV as well: "Its 10 o'clock....do you know where YOUR children are?"

Julie R.

I agree that the moral compass is broken but why not look at the whole picture? Not even your own courts have any morals or respect for the law so how can one expect others to? I also don't agree that the problems in Sandusky can be miraculously resolved by hiring more police. Neither do I agree that the city commissioners should bury their heads in the sand and never question anything.

2cents
2cents
G George I du kno

Wiredmama that was a great post but may be unrealistic. We do need more cops but the best statement was "let the cops do thier jobs". The problem with this town is these cops are ridiculed for every little thing they do. They have to hold hands and kiss peoples rear ends so they don't offend anyone. They can't tell people how it is because everyone thinks they are entitled to things they shouldn't be.

Until there is a Polcie chief with a back bone to stand up to people and back their men in the jobs they do, nothing will ever change. To many cops are afraid to do what needs to be done because they will be Monday morning quarterbacked! This town needs a firm hand behind the law not some community oriented police department.

As far as kids respecting the cops that will never happen here. The majority of them have no supervision, they don't respect their teachers, their parents, or anyone else. They want to grow up to be thugs just like their parents, aunts, and uncles.

The NAACP always wants to criticize the police and accuse them of racial profiling. Why don't they come out and stand on the corners near the schools when they let out and talk to these future thugs about changing their lives and becoming productive members of society. Focus their efforts on mentoring programs at the schools for these trouble youth. Preachers who preach on Sunday can find time to come out and stand on the corners and show these kids there are people who care about them. But no one will do any of this. I have spoken to youth for years and been involved in youth programs but only a few can't change the community as a whole.

Instead of field trips to colleges or historical sites our kids need to visit prisons. They need to see and talk to some of these guys who are on death row and will never see the outside again. Bring some people in who have been to prison and changed their lives on the outside. Let them hear and see what some of these people have to say. Even if it changes one kids path it is all well worth it!

Many of the young men in this community have grown up watching their male role models be abusive toward women. After years of this modeling they think it is ok to do the same thing. We need to teach them it is not ok and the only place to do this is in the schools. They need to have classes on domestic violence and how to control anger and aggression. The girls need to know it's not ok to be a victim and how to handle it if they are. They just need to be taught how to stop before it's too late.

We will not change the community tomorrow, next week, or next year. We have to start with kids at an age that can still be influenced. The results for the work we put in today won't be seen for years to come.

I feel sorry for each of these victims and their families and pray that they can find peace. For the offenders I pray for their families and their souls as well. I pray for this community that God can lead us to a place where we can co-exist in peace.

wiredmama222

I understand EXACTLY what you are saying and totally agree with you. Some of them need to go to the funeral homes and see a body being prepared for a funeral. You want to see them scared straight? That should do it for some. They think they are all big and bad, show them the end results of knifing fighting to solve a problem, or a gun fight. Oh, yes, nothing like reality tv. Let them watch a few sessions of AUTOPSY. That will do it. And yes, they should talk to them around sixth grade and have meetings in schools with these kids or on street corners. Where are the clergy?

Great post, I agree with every word. Kate

DGMutley

G George I du kno Says, "... UNTIL THERE IS A POLCIE CHIEF WITH A BACK BONE TO STAND UP TO PEOPLE AND BACK THEIR MEN IN THE JOBS THEY DO, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. TO MANY COPS ARE AFRAID TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKED! THIS TOWN NEEDS A FIRM HAND BEHIND THE LAW NOT SOME COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICE DEPARTMENT."

I pay fairly close attention to the news, but I guess I've missed where Chief Lang has no back bone and doesn't stand up for his men. I missed, also, where too many cops are afraid to do what needs to be done--what is that about?

G George I du kno goes on to say, "AS FAR AS KIDS RESPECTING THE COPS THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN HERE. THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE NO SUPERVISION, THEY DON'T RESPECT THEIR TEACHERS, THEIR PARENTS, OR ANYONE ELSE. THEY WANT TO GROW UP TO BE THUGS JUST LIKE THEIR PARENTS, AUNTS, AND UNCLES."

In all due respect George, that is a pretty biased statement, don't ya think? I know 15 percent of the Class of 2012 didn't graduate, but that's hardly a majority and then again that doesn't mean they have no respect.

G George I du kno continues, "THE NAACP ALWAYS WANTS TO CRITICIZE THE POLICE AND ACCUSE THEM OF RACIAL PROFILING. WHY DON'T THEY COME OUT AND STAND ON THE CORNERS NEAR THE SCHOOLS WHEN THEY LET OUT AND TALK TO THESE FUTURE THUGS ABOUT CHANGING THEIR LIVES AND BECOMING PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. ..."

Just because a few blacks are bad actors doesn’t mean that all blacks are bad actors. Just as a few whites that are bad actors doesn’t make all whites bad actors.

All in all, George, your message is very disrespectful.

G George I du kno

Not having respect has nothing to do with graduating. 15% who didn't graduate is a horrible statistic and far from something to be proud of. That means 150 out of 1000 dont graduate, 15 out of every 100 don't graduate, 1.5 out of every 10 don't graduate. Look at the surrounding schools in the area. Given the same number of students I bet less than 5% didn't graduate.

The majority of the gang banging punks in this town are from Sandusky! They are punks with no respect for themselves or anyone else. They have no supervision and they run the streets all night being punks. Then they grow up to be murdering punks. Both white and black punks in this town!!!

I never said anything or pointed any fingers at blacks! I agree there are whites that are just as bad. The NAACP is an organization that can get through to some of these troubled kids that are black. Whites don't have organizations to represent them and influence their youth. Prison populations are filled with mostly blacks. The Sandusky population is 75% white, 21% blacks, and 4% other. Our jail is mostly blacks. I didn't just say the NAACP I also included clergy who could be out there. I suppose that is racist also since most of the clergy in this town are white males. I guess I better quit picking on the whites also. It wasn't meant to be a race thing but that's what you made it.

And as far as the PD goes if you go down there and file a complaint against an officer he will be labeled a problem officer. We need more pittbull cops and less gas wasting, lazy, pay check collecting, cops who are afraid to get some dust on their uniform.

Mutely, it's people like you who are the problem in this town. U Want to blame everyone else for the problems, provide excuses and no solutions, and call everything a race issue! This town is full of white and black punks and I am not afraid to say it. If we don't get some control of these white and black punks this town will never change.

DGMutley

Sorry G George I du kno but I'm not going to let you insult Chief Lang, the SPD officers, the students at SHS, the NAACP, and blacks without making a comment. If you consider yourself a credit to society, you aren't.

G George I du kno

I am not going to even bother with your ignorance. You are right, the Police are great, the NAACP is great, our youth are something to be proud of, but I never insulted blacks. Pull your head out of the sand!

DGMutley

And you continue...

deertracker

Anyone care to answer the question? You can talk about race without being a racist. Some of you want to redefine the meaning of the word or you have no idea what an actual racist is. I don't have to agree with you nor you I but the question remains. How did race mixing begin? Face the facts people. It's not rocket science.

DGMutley

You lost me with your post. As far as mutts go, we're all mutts.
DGMutley

wiredmama222

What is the question?...if it is how did the race mixing begin it goes all the way back to the beginning of time.

deertracker

I responded to HURONGUY's comment which has been removed. He was going on about bi racial kids and I simply asked how race mixing began. It goes way back but I am not sure when time began but whenever it started, it has nothing to do with these murders!

Really are you ...

Step back clear your thoughts and look at what has been happening. It all starts at Capitol Hill. The National Debt, members of Congress make their salaries and whatever they recieve from special intrest groups. What are they being paid so much for if they can not make sound decisions to bring our country back the greatness? I bet they do not want to pay their fair share in taxes, so they reshape the rules around their pockets. The monitarily rich stay rich, the middle class gets smaller, and the poor class gets bigger. All of the bread winning jobs are going to countries that pay less in hourly wages to be brought back and sold to the US consumer. Regular Joe is looking at Congress to make change for the better, to no avail. Life is getting harder on regular Joe, so he goes on medicines to cope with regular life. Joe is a smooth talker and one night stands are making alot of single parent families. Joe forgets to take his mind dulling medicines, faces reality, and snaps. American Pride is fading, the law makers have failed, law enforcement is struggling, and regular Joe relies on mind dulling substances to make it through the day.

The snowballing effects of all of this madness needs to stop. There are men, women, and children who are not here anymore because of senseless acts of viloence.

donutshopguy

My grandparents moral compass was not broken. My parents moral compass is not broken. My moral compass is not broken. My children's moral compass is not broken but I still continue educate them and they are in their 30's. My grandchildren are being educated on morals by my parents, myself and their parents. It's our responsibility not anyone else's.

This family value of life and personal responsibility have been passed down over 100 years within our family. I believe a majority of people have the same values but the tide is turning.

The decay of the family is what will bring this great country down. Not guns or jobs. Our society has become a disposable society. Marriages are disposable. Children are disposable. Life is disposable.

wiredmama222

Niether is my family, luckily, but some families are not so lucky and that is the problem. It is they who need the help. So we need to assist them. We cannot stand high on the shoulders of our luck and way a flag of victory because of that fortune, we need to assist those who are not so fortunate. Bragging that the moral compass we get to possess is intact and well is a shallow victory if it isn't shared with those less fortunate.

donutshopguy

wired,

How do you help a multi generational lack of moral fiber? The schools and numerous community organization for decades have preached this philosophy till they are blue in the face with little or no success. The only valid option left to save the next generation is to take these kids from their parents and grandparents. You up for that?

DGMutley

Donut says, "How do you help a multi generational lack of moral fiber? The schools and numerous community organization for decades have preached this philosophy till they are blue in the face with little or no success. The only valid option left to save the next generation is to take these kids from their parents and grandparents. You up for that?"

Who, what, when, where, and why?

donutshopguy

Mutt,

I won't give you a specific name of the individual I based my opinion on. I was involved in a child's life for a few years through one of our many entitlement organizations. This involvement included interaction with grandparents, parents , other relatives and the school. No matter what I said or did the child didn't have a chance. The child was always returned to the downward spiral of his life. The only chance this child had was to be taken away from the path his was born into.

I've walked the walk. Spent years and personal dollars trying make a difference but to no avail. Over the last few years I have changed my direction of assistance. Today I offer a "hand up" not a "hand out". I only help people who want to take personal responsibility for themselves. I help with support, direction and financial consideration. I will not hand over my time and resources to national feel good organizations. My commitment is personal and on an individual basis.

DGMutley

Donut,

Thanks for your reply. I need to think about what you said for a minute before I make a comment.

DGMutley

Donut,

I give you credit for taking a shot and getting involved. Don't despair, your efforts weren't in vain.

There isn't anything more devastating than a son or daughter getting arrested or in trouble no matter who you are. Equally so for someone you love or care about.

"How do you help a multi generational lack of moral fiber? The schools and numerous community organization for decades have preached this philosophy till they are blue in the face with little or no success. The only valid option left to save the next generation is to take these kids from their parents and grandparents. You up for that?"

The schools and many community organizations have preached and are preaching the philosophy. No doubt about it--look at the 300 page school rule book. There is plenty of preaching being done but there is no connect. Too often the relationship between the teacher and student becomes disconnected. A good example of this was the student who forgot his belt and his pants kept falling down.

No kid wants to become a dropout without an education or skills. He's forced to dropout because he can't keep up. He's overwhelmed. If we address this problem and get industry involved with OJT programs then voila, presto, job accomplished.

onegirlarmy

not an option here!!...no one is taking my grandkids!!!and they sure as hell wont be going to sandusky schools!

deertracker

My moral compass is just fine too. I raised my kids well but after a certain age kids make their own choices. Sometimes, it is simply the criminal's fault. We constantly look for excuses when there is none. People have different experiences with the police thus, people react differently. Do you want the NAACP outside of all schools or just SHS? If you really believe some people are just evil you can only blame the evil person.

2cents

(you can only blame the evil person.)

Correct, and you know what really sucks is while driving to Cleveland yesterday and listening to MSNBC “way left news” I was ready to reach into the Radio and choke the guy that started talking about Mr. Obama putting goofass Biden in charge of an assault weapons ban. The guy on the radio had the nerve to say “we have been given the perfect opportunity to get the ban in place” those kids were not dead one week and these people like Diane Feinstein are taking this as an opportunity to push through their agenda. That makes me sick!

DGMutley

I agree with you.

wiredmama222

I believe they should ban assault weapons and multi fire clips for semi automatic guns. If not now, when? Perhaps it takes this type of awful tragedy to do something like this. The timing is now, not when people have forgotten the tragedy. I agree with those in mourning...."do something" as one poor mother said. I listened to her plea on Anderson Cooper360. She is right. Despite her grief, she wants this prevented so no other mother ever has to go through this again.

No, the time is now, and the time is right to prevent these guns and ammo from getting into the wrong hands ever again.

Don't make it political....it IS the difference between right and wrong...not politics.

Mental heath and gun control working hand and hand should help a great deal.

Pages