Man draws gun on attacker at Norwalk Walmart

A concealed carry permit-holder drew his gun on a man who allegedly attacked him Monday afternoon in the parking lot at the Norwalk Walmart, police said.
Melissa Topey
Nov 13, 2012

The alleged attacker — Eric Meade, 37, of Welton Avenue in Norwalk — was arrested and charged with assault, Norwalk police Capt. Eric Hipp said.  

Meade punched a 29-year-old Norwalk man, who responded by drawing his gun and aiming it at Meade, Hipp said.

“He pointed it at Meade to get him to stop,” Hipp said.

Even after finding himself at the business end of the man's gun, however, Meade kept trying to assault the man, police said.

Only when Walmart employees came out did the fracas subside – Meade stopped attacking the man and the man put his gun away, Hipp said. Several people in the parking lot witnessed the attack, police said.

As of Monday evening, officers were still investigating the incident. They plan to turn the case over to the Norwalk law director for consideration of further charges.

Hipp refused to release the identity of the concealed carry permit-holder, and officers have not yet said what triggered the confrontation.

Comments

MBR

YES! He could have lawfully fired on the attacker. The attacker should be glad the man didn't. CCW!

onegirlarmy

not good!!! alot of people at walmart and innocent peoples lives were in danger...hope judge throws the book at someone!!

krisag

You are right...there were innocent people around. However, during CCW training, you are taught to put yourself in a position where if you fire, no one else is in the way of the bullet. CCW holders are not morons. They know that there is an attorney's name attached to each and every bullet that they fire, regardless of the circumstances.

JERRY from SANDUSKY

if there is a problem with this
then your the problem

JERRY from SANDUSKY

oops

Mojo

The attacker should be grateful he is alive today. Hats off to the CCW carrier for using his head and not impulse.

Mojo

The attacker should be grateful he is alive today. Hats off to the CCW carrier for using his head and not impulse.

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2cents

Who is the real attacker?

http://www.yolohub.com/economy/i...

Just saying!

rickross2

I have been saying for the last 15 yrs that between Wal-Mart and the Internet will be the end of the world as we know it! Kinda pissed that I ended up being right! I shouldnt be surprised tho, I'm never wrong.

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2cents

Rick, I wrote a letter to the editor in 1987 with some concern. I based this on the excessive litigation at the time! See as follows.

Lawsuit Lunacy American Way

I believe the American way is becoming a way to fear. Today’s society is lawsuit crazy.
I read that Lloyd’s of London, an international insurer, writes 80% of it’s in the United States alone.
The American people have become completely irresponsible with their judgments. The major belief is that all companies and organizations have bottomless pockets.
As far as I know there is not one company or organization that can afford a multi-million dollar payoff without tax or consumer price increases.
We are all affected by this crisis. The cost of every item we buy is controlled by settlements and, of course, the items we make are also affected. How far might you have to drive to find an obstetrician willing to take a difficult case?
Your employer might choose to buy machines in lace of hiring personnel. Employees can sue or cause suits because of accidents, working conditions, poor assembly techniques or a multitude of other incidents machines may not create. Without those people there are no suits and no jobs.
What is happening to us as a society? I don’t believe we can be competitive in today’s market if large percentages of our business’ income must go toward insurance premiums. From what I understand and read, insurance will buy almost nothing when the suit goes to trial for a few million dollars.
It could only close your plant, while a few individuals who are judged in favor will make more money than they can expect to spend in a lifetime.
Of course their lawyers will retain a large portion of that. They need the compensation to advertise on television. The people now unemployed will have to look for another job.
We, as individuals, must establish the proper guidelines of intentional and unintentional injustice. It is our choice as consumers and jurors. We made the mess, now we must clean it up.
This lawsuit crisis must end soon, or the American way will go down the tubes. Most of our products will be manufactured offshore.
We, the most powerful nation, may find ourselves on the backside of prosperity as the rest of the world laughs at us and walks on by. The choice is ours, we consumers and jurors. I want to enjoy life and if it takes some risk, I guess it is what my parents anticipated I must accept when they created me.

Kimo

John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford and J.P. Morgan built modern America.

Sam Walton managed to turn it into a debtor nation.

Gotta be more to the draws gun story....

Contango

@ Kimo:

Quite a pantheon of “fat cat” bankers ya got there.

Mr. Walton helped to raise the quality of life for many poor. Just watch the welfare recipients spend, spend, spend at the beginning of the month and makin' those tax dollars go farther!

Don't go knockin' Norwalk's WalMart, millionaire. For the city, employment there is now considered a "good paying job."

The wild west in Norwalk. Helpin’ the image as a “kid’s place.”

mikel

don't forget adding the name barack obama to that list!

samiam

the list of making this a debtor nation, right?

8ballinthesidepocket

Kimo: Don't forget to give some credit to our downfall to the AFL-CIO and the UAW. Funny how the only American cars listed in the top 10 for good quality come from non UAW operations! Facts are facts. Not Obama motors. Not Ford motors. Toyota, Honda, and even Hyundai, some produced in US plants, but non by the auto workers union. And give the NEA some credit too, for the dumbing down of America. There motto is "don't read ahead, you might get ahead." and we want all kids failing at the same slow pace!!

dearme

MBR
NO you can not just shoot someone just because he is attacking you and you have premit to carry. He would be in jail with the attacker if he would of fired.

SamAdams

Actually, yes, you CAN shoot someone because he's attacking you. What you CAN'T do is shoot him after he stops.

krisag

Well said, Sam!

dearme

Sure You can shoot him but it won't be without repercussions.

beepx22

If you can show a reasonable fear of your life or bodily injury, you can fire. Most CCW uses are just like this, pull the gun to de-escalate a bad situation, many thousands a day go unreported on.

KURTje

Hope Meade get hit hard & the other guy is let go.

VTX Rider

The way I read the law is that you have to feel your life or someone's around you is threatened. You are taught not to draw your firearm unless you intend to use it. I'm not sure getting punched would qualify as life threatening but that depends on the situation. I would assume there would be security footage available to see exactly what happened. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

krisag

First I just have to say....kudos to this man! I am sure all of the details of this attack have not been released. However, if the CCW holder was attacked, he had every right to draw his gun. CCW permits are for PERSONAL PROTECTION. If you feel that you, or someone else, are in danger of bodily harm or even death, you can lawfully draw your weapon and fire. This man did not know what Meade's intentions were. You can kill someone with your fist, can you not? This man did what he had to do and when Meade didn't back off, he could have legally shot him. He is lucky to be alive!

VTX Rider

What if the scenario is that the CCW holder provokes said assailant in some manner knowing full will he is carrying and assailant then punches him? Should the CCW holder announce he is carrying before drawing to de-escalate the situation? Then if the attacker continues draw the weapon? Then again depending on the situation, you might not have the luxury of time on your hands depending on the severity of the confrontation.

krisag

If the CCW holder provoked the attack, then yes, he would be at fault. He would have his permit pulled and might even face felony charges. A CCW holder does not have to announce that he is carrying to anyone except LE. But if you choose to announce if before drawing your weapon and the attacker continues, yes, pull your firearm. One person on here said that pulling a firearm is a great way to de-escalate the situation. I couldn't agree more than that. I don't know a single CCW permit holder who wants to shoot someone. But when pulling your gun fails to de-escalate the situation and you feel the threat of bodily harm or death, you can legally shoot.

VTX Rider

Good points. I agree.

Ehovemom

I think that Meade's intentions were to beat the crap out of the guy who was "dating" his girl friend. How wonderful that, in the middle of the afternoon, with children and grandmothers exiting the grocery section of Walmart, there is a man with a loaded weapon (legally allowed in this country) pointing it at another individual.In the middle of a crowded parking lot.

If this was a police officer drawing his weapon, I wonder what the public outcry would be? Just because someone has completed a CCW class does not mean the person has any rational thought. He sat through the class.

krisag

Very untrue. I'm assuming you don't have your CCW permit?

Seen it All

REALLY Ehovemom? Let me go through your statement like a "rational thinking adult".

"I think that Meade's intentions were to beat the crap out of the guy who was "dating" his girl friend."

First thing wrong with that comment is: You can't go around beating the crap out of people... IT'S AGAINST THE LAW!!! Second thing wrong with that comments is: It is NOT Meade's girlfriend IF she is in fact dating someone else! Time for him to move on.

"Just because someone has completed a CCW class does not mean the person has any rational thought." He obviously DID use rational thought, as he DID NOT fire his weapon, and used it ONLY to defuse a situation.

My hat goes off to this guy!

krisag

LOL

krisag

Ehovemom...there is a lot more to it than just sitting through a class. There are several steps that need to be taken before you can attempt to obtain your CCW permit. And even after completing all these steps, you can still be denied by your instructor. Not to mention, anyone applying for a CCW permit has to go through a BCI background check.

Tmm

Funny Ehovemama, I got my CCW at your Ehove facility - what you think about that!?

beepx22

Canada is just a few miles north, they're not allowed to defend their selves there, you'd like it. I'll help you pack.

dearme

You may have a right to pull your gun but that is when it becomes gray area. I'm not sure getting punched would qualify as life threatening but that depends on the situation.

krisag

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Libel and defamation.

8ballinthesidepocket

Ready!! Fire!!! Aim!!!

deertracker

Some of you seem like you want to go back to the days of the wild wild west. I prefer not to see anyone get gunned down in public or at all. It's not easy to deal with killing someone when it could have been avoided. Yes, you do have to truthfully believe your life was in grave danger before you kill someone. A fist is not quite grave enough. The guy did the right thing by not discharging his weapon.

verdict

I have to disagree. Blunt trauma to the head can give you an aneurysm. Those are deadly.

Ehovemom

I am just saying that if I am walking out of Walmart with a child, I do not want to see someone waving a gun - I don't care if he has a ccw or not. According to the article, waving the gun did nothing to stop the "attack" of the man's fists. It seems like all it did was terrify the bystanders.

Intelligent Citizen

So you would rather see a man beaten to death, than someone defending themself? In this case, if showing the gun didn't stop this man and I felt my life was in danger, I would've fired. Having a CCW is meant for protection, even if that means "terrifying" some citizens to save your own life.

deertracker

Bullets do not have eyes. A CCW does not mean you have good aim. What if you happen to be walking out of the store with a child and the bullet struck the child? The guy's life did not seem to be in danger!

verdict

Anyone who is striking you could cause you to fall backward and blunt trauma to the head can cause an aneurysm. It happened to my mom and she didn't even know it until years later.
Until you have witnessed the effects that a ruptured aneurysm, which almost always ends fatally, has on a person as it is rupturing..I do not feel you should pass judgement so hastily.
Even if the aneurysm is detected prior to rupturing, you could die on the operating table just from the operation they do to coil platinum around the blood vessel.

Seen it All

Ok Ehovemom, lets say you and that child were sitting in McDonalds enjoying your lunch, when all of a sudden a crazy idiot walks in and starts shooting up the place. He is stopped, by a trained, permit holding, gun carrier. I would have to think you would be on your knees kissing his feet.

How do you or anyone else know when Mr Meade's fists were going to stop, and perhaps his feet start had he got this man to the ground? I would think if someone is crazy enough to come at you in broad daylight, in the middle of a busy parking lot, he's crazy enough to do about anything.

dearme

Nobody got beat to death or anywhere close. CCW is for girls.

Intelligent Citizen

Ignorance is bliss.

The Rudy

Indeed it is for girls. And boys. 21 and over and duly licensed.

Tmm

realy dear me - for girls? take a walk or better yet have your wife, girlfriend, mom, sister, daughter, grandmother take a walk down hancock street at night and follow behind and see what happens.

I for one would rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

FlogDonkey

I for one will exercise my right to defend myself any time I feel I am in danger of bodily harm. Every single day bad things happen to good people for no reason, and I believe that nobody has my best interests at heart except me.

All of you nut jobs who think guns should be illegal are absolutely deluded. Ever notice how narcotics are all illegal, yet they are readily accessible to kids and criminals? Why in the world would you ever think it would be different with illegal firearms? The only people who would have them would be those who disregard the law.

If I am attacked, unprovoked, I have to assume the person means to do me grave physical harm. Who is to say that person wouldn't elevate the situation and stab me in the neck while I am debating whether or not my LIFE is in danger? That one second a person takes to deliberate could be the difference between life and death. I take no chances. I carry everywhere I go.

Kimo

Re: "That one second a person takes to deliberate could be the difference between life and death. I take no chances. I carry everywhere I go."

Wait a second, or two..............

LOL

sometimes I laugh to keep from crying...........

FlogDonkey

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Safety and security is something that I believe many take for granted. Some in society believe it is up to law enforcement to protect us. I believe we all have the right, and the responsibility to protect ourselves.

Like I said, bad things happen to good people every day, and I sincerely hope that none of the bad people out there ever cross paths with you. Evidently, you are of the belief that it is someone else's job to protect you, but if that day ever comes, more than likely you'll be on your own.

Best wishes.

SamAdams

Law enforcement WILL protect you, or at least do their best to do so. The problem (as is obvious to just about anybody with an IQ above room temperature) is that law enforcement typically isn't on the scene when the crime is actually being committed.

Tell you what, hoplophobes: When the bad guy points the big, bad gun at you, you go right on ahead and dial 911. Be sure to tell the bad guy to hold off for a minute (or 3 or 4) 'til your protectors arrive! I'm sure it'll all be fine.

verdict

Even a fist fight can end with an aneurysm. Get a clue about the world, Kimo. Seriously.

WhatTheHeck

Some or most of the commenter's here need to take the time to go to a CCW class that goes much further than your 12 hour class. Try one of the shooting classes around the nation. There isn't a decent one in Ohio. We have classes for CCW compliance. Try Front Sight or their equivalent. You will be surprised what they teach you about the aftermath of a legit shooting. Your life will change forever and your check book will never recover from it. I believe this man had his thoughts about him for not pulling the trigger.

Brownsfan00

First and foremost, ANY time you add a gun to the picture, chances are its going to turn out bad. Luckily, that's not the case here. This guy is a moron, to pull a gun out because somebody hit him is unreal. You guys realize how many peoples lives were put in danger because of his stupidity? Now don't get me wrong, there are many other situations where pulling a gun would be justified, but this isn't one of them.

beepx22

there are thousands of defensive gun uses a day in America, most don't even wind up in the news, most end without a shot being fired

queenjhb

Eric,, pack up your wife and her sleazy underwear and deliver her to Zack,you can do better than her, no need to punch anyone over her ever again, Zack act professionally, you know any man dont like you sleeping w/ there wife, show some moral restraint for once. Wife, you are a sorry role model, show some class. Be better people, you can.

joecool

I have read all comments. The first thing taught in self defence class. run away, remove yourself from harm. no body said that. Secondly, The man didnt shoot, Probably didnt have any bullets. First rule of pulling fire arm. Use it. If you question this, join army. They will teach you.

joecool

no

Nic Williams

Fact time. Yes the gun was loaded however there wasnt a bullet in the chamber. This all started over a man going after another man for dumping in his wife. Who just so happened to be the gun pullers Ex-wife. Gun puller is a rather buff dude who is very capable of self defence without a gun. Not to mention if you sleep with someones wife you have to expect something to come from it when it comes to light. Not that any of us know if the cheating really happened. In the end the attacker should have just tossed the woman out on her butt and if he felt the need to fight the other guy saved it for a much less crowded place. I dont know a whole lot of men who wouldnt be out for revenge in this situation. Poor judgement by both parties. The only good desicion in this situation is not firing the gun in a crowded area. Personally I'm all for CCW. Its good to know that the good guys have guns too when so many bums use them to rob or kill the innocent. Also man with gun is a bondsman and was bounty hunter so CCW is not suprising for him and rather necasary.