Boston bomb investigation extends to Russia

Dead suspect was on terrorist watchlist.
Associated Press
Apr 25, 2013


New information emerged Wednesday from U.S. officials that the name of one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects had been added to a U.S. government terrorist database long before the explosions. At the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, more than 4,000 mourners paid tribute to a campus police officer who authorities say was gunned down by the suspects.

Among the speakers at the memorial service in Cambridge, just outside Boston, was Vice President Joe Biden, who condemned the bombing suspects as "two twisted, perverted, cowardly, knockoff jihadis."

In a striking new development, U.S. officials said the name of the dead suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was added by the CIA to a terrorist database 18 months ago. The officials spoke to The Associated press on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing case.

The disclosure was significant because officials have been saying the U.S. intelligence community had no relevant information leading up to the April 15 bombings, which killed three people and injured more than 260 others. Inclusion of one of the bomb suspects' name in a database for 18 months before the attack could prompt congressional inquiries about whether the U.S. government adequately investigated tips from Russia that Tsarnaev posed a security threat.

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Tsarnaev's younger brother, surviving suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was listed in fair condition as he recovered from wounds suffered during a getaway attempt. He could get the death penalty if convicted of plotting with his older brother to set off the pressure-cooker bombs near the marathon's finish line. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, died in a shootout with police.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's father has called him a "true angel," and an aunt has insisted he's not guilty. His public defender didn't immediately return a call seeking comment Wednesday.

The bombs were triggered by a remote detonator of the kind used in remote-control toys, U.S. officials said Wednesday. They said investigators found pieces of the remote-control equipment among the debris and were analyzing them.

Both U.S. officials are close to the ongoing investigation but spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly. One official described the detonator as "close-controlled," meaning it had to be triggered within several blocks of the bombs.

The criminal complaint filed against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said he was using a cellphone moments before the blasts.

U.S. officials also said he has told interrogators he and his brother were angry about the U.S. wars in Muslim Afghanistan and Iraq.

After closed-door briefings on Capitol Hill with the FBI and other law enforcement officials, lawmakers said earlier this week that it appeared so far that the brothers were radicalized via the Internet instead of by direct contact with any terrorist groups and that the older brother was the driving force in the bomb plot.

In Russia, U.S. investigators traveled to the predominantly Muslim province of Dagestan and were in contact with the brothers' parents, hoping to gain more information.

The parents, Anzor Tsarnaev and Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, plan to fly to the U.S. on Thursday, the father was quoted as telling the Russian state news agency RIA Novosti. The family has said it wants to bring Tamerlan Tsarnaev's body back to Russia.

Investigators are looking into whether Tamerlan, who spent six months in Russia's turbulent Caucasus region in 2012, was influenced by the religious extremists who have waged an insurgency against Russian forces in the area for years. The brothers have roots in Dagestan and neighboring Chechnya but had lived in the U.S. for about a decade.

There was a new twist in the accounts of how Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was captured last week.

Two U.S. officials say he was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat covered by a tarp in a neighborhood backyard. Authorities originally said they had exchanged gunfire with him for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.

The U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation, said investigators recovered a 9 mm handgun believed to have been used by Tamerlan from the site of a Thursday night gunbattle that injured a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer. Dzhokhar was believed to have been shot before he escaped.

The officials told the AP that no gun was found in the boat. Boston police Commissioner Ed Davis said earlier that shots were fired from inside the boat.

Asked whether the suspect had a gun in the boat, Davis said, "I'm not going to talk about that."

Kurt Schwartz, director of the Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency, did respond to the report.

"Within half a mile of where this person was captured, a police officer was shot. And I know who shot him." Schwartz said. "And there were three bombs that went off, and I know where those bombs came from. ... To me, it does not change anything. This guy was captured alive and will survive. True or not true, it doesn't change anything for me."

At MIT, bagpipes wailed as students, faculty and staff members and throngs of law enforcement officials paid their respects to MIT police Officer Sean Collier, who was ambushed in his cruiser three days after the bombing.

The line of mourners stretched for a half-mile. They had to make their way through tight security, including metal detectors and bomb-sniffing dogs.

Boston native James Taylor sang "The Water is Wide" and led a sing-along of "Shower the People."

Biden told the Collier family that no child should die before his or her parents, but that, in time, the grief will lose some of its sting.

"The moment will come when the memory of Sean is triggered and you know it's going to be OK," Biden said. "When the first instinct is to get a smile on your lips before a tear to your eye."

The vice president also sounded a defiant note.

"The purpose of terror is to instill fear," he said. "You saw none of it here in Boston. Boston, you sent a powerful message to the world."

In another milestone in Boston's recovery, the area around the marathon finish line was reopened to the public, with fresh cement still drying on the repaired sidewalk. Delivery trucks made their way down Boylston Street under a heavy police presence, though some damaged stores were still closed.

"I don't think there's going to be a sense of normalcy for a while," Tom Champoux, who works nearby, said as he pointed to the boarded-up windows. "There are scars here that will be with us for a long time."


Associated Press writers Bridget Murphy and Bob Salsberg in Boston, Lynn Berry in Moscow, and Kimberly Dozier, Adam Goldman, Eric Tucker, Matt Apuzzo, and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.



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If there was no gun found in the boat, then what did he shot himself with?


There's been so many different stories about how things went down. Media hype!


Ummm I guess you guys missed the part where he and his brother were in an intense shootout (where his brother was killed) and this 19 year old actually ran over his brother while escaping gun fire. Its easy to see that he was more than likely struck from an officers bullet while he was escaping in the vehicle.

Read people, read.


"Ummm I guess you guys missed the part where he and his brother were in an intense shootout (where his brother was killed) and this 19 year old actually ran over his brother while escaping gun fire. Its easy to see that he was more than likely struck from an officers bullet while he was escaping in the vehicle."

Can you post a link showing the evidence? I have seen the shoot out videos but I did not see the two suspects.


"The officials told the AP that no gun was found in the boat. Boston police Commissioner Ed Davis said earlier that shots were fired from inside the boat.

Asked whether the suspect had a gun in the boat, Davis said, "I'm not going to talk about that."

The suspect did not have a gun in the boat. Ed Davis said earlier that shots were fired from inside the boat. Davis lied. Also the suspect climbed out of the boat on his own. He wasn't "pulled" out as reported in many news sources. The suspect is still a suspect until I see hard evidence. The FBI has a video showing the suspect placing the bomb but will not release it to the American people.

Also I question if the suspects shot the police officer and if they also were involved in a carjacking and ATM theft. So far, I see no hard evidence linking the suspects to the bombing, police officer shooting and the carjacking. I have also debunked some youtube videos that cleared the suspects. The suspects could have been responsible for all three incidents. But so far the authorities are not showing the hard evidence.

I had quite a few links that I wanted to post for the readers but they were taken down from the internet.


I hope that this story doesn't go off topic about Obama, Bush, Republicans and Democrats. The SR should delete any comments that go off topic. Also delete the comments by the trolls and flamers. Please stay on topic people.

4-wheeler al

what about the man they had walking around naked in front of all them people and news cams.


I believe that it was a person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am still trying to find information about the identity of that person. He did resemble the older suspect except for his hair. People who commit crimes will often change their appearance when on the run.


Centauri? You are asking the SR for a protected comment section? Good luck with that, bud. I agree with you that this whole thing stinks and in a bad way, but I don't for one second believe that the SR will follow your wishes. Just sayin'.


I did want to mention the trolls and flamers who try to pull people into fights.


I was reading about that carjacking and many news sources about the suspect telling the carjacking victim that they were the Boston bombers. Does this make sense? Bombing suspects on the run would not tell anyone that they actually were the bombers. Plus getting $45 from an ATM using the car jacking victim's ATM card. I do have photos that show what appears to be the younger brother using the ATM or somebody like him.

There should be a wealth of hard evidence from the bombings, carjacking and the killing of the MIT police officer but so far, I have not seen it.


"could prompt congressional inquiries about whether the U.S. government adequately investigated tips from Russia that Tsarnaev posed a security threat."

They should make the FBI release that video showing the suspect placing the bomb and walking away before that video is lost or destroyed.

"When asked about reports that Tsarnaev was run over by a vehicle driven by his fleeing brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Wolfe said he did not see any obvious injuries that would back up that theory.

“I certainly did not see any tire marks or the usual things we see with someone run over by a car,” he said."


I don't think the light is going to shine on this one, Centauri. Not with links and such disappearing. I, like you had many links. All gone.

"The suspect in the photos for that particular 7-Eleven robbery looks nothing like the suspects," Chabris says. "The police or someone made a mistake. Someone was confused."

"At an earlier press conference morning, when Alben described the manhunt and standoff that resulted in the death of an MIT police officer, he also said that the two brothers robbed a 7-Eleven."

Another news media lie exposed like the one about the suspect being "pulled" out of the boat.


The link below is directed at the American news media only. I haven't studied the link or contents in detail.
"On the day of the bombing, many lies had poured out from the media and various blogs and websites that were obvious abhorrent attempts to take commercial advantage of the situation. False relationships were concocted and false victims were created in an attempt to grab the attention of the masses seeking information. The truth was horrific enough, but talks of an 8 year old girl killed that was running the marathon, a fiance of a runner being one of the injured, among other falsehoods were a disgrace and downplayed the plight of the true victims as if their stories were not bad enough for us. Somehow the media had viewers seeking an even more horrific story and the worse and more heart wrenching the better, regardless of whether or not it was true."

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Early reports stated that he was believed to have attempted suicide by placing a gun barrel in his mouth and pulling the trigger but the shot was believed to have exited the back of his neck resulting in a non fatal injury leaving him unable to speak.....this is why he was taken to the hospital. It was said that he inflicted this wound on the boat so I ask again, where is the gun?


"where is the gun?"

There was no gun. I hope to expose as many lies as I can before more of my favorite links are taken down from the internet. If I die, it was not a suicide. If I am murdered, it will be a staged murder. There are many like me exposing the truth on other internet sites.

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what do you make of this?

"Lies to get publicity in the face of an act that killed innocent people are abhorrent to say the least. And yet, our media and state and local authorities appear to, as we stated yesterday, to have spewed many falsehoods to portray their actions as vastly more heroic than they were, to fabricate stories to draw a public desperate for information about the incident and to magnify what was already a horrific event."


Why would the justice department and Eric Holder send a judge and an attorney to charge the guy and subsequently mirandize him two days before he had to be charged. Facts the FBI was getting halted after he was advised by the attorney to clam up. Even the FBI is stunned and irrigated.


I was in kindergarten when JFK was killed. Yeah, that ages me. It still does not take away from the fact that the supposed shooter was killed before he could talk. This stuff has happened many times here in the USA. I am tired of it. This cover-up crap ain't gonna fly with, no-how..



Mafia, Teamsters, LBJ or a random disgruntle commie-wannabe - take your pick.

Remember: Johnson's popularity poll numbers had been slippin' in TX for the upcoming 1964 re-election campaign and asked JFK to "come on down" and help out.

RFK had raked over the Mafia and Jimmy Hoffa.

Oswald was a d*mn good shot!

Take your pick.

Decades ago, the Mob had wanted to kill the Mayor of Chicago and some lone nut who was trying to kill FDR beat 'em to it:

Darwin's choice

Try this one.....

failure across the board by the police.....


Try your link again, Darwin's choice.

Darwin's choice

Link was working at 1:18 today! Hmmmmm!! Try this....

"Now officials claim Boston bombing suspect was NOT armed in boat showdown - despite police account of firefight and him 'shooting himself'"

Let the American news media put all of these liars on camera again to retract their lies. Somebody needs to be hanged.


Much better, Dc. Even the Brits find it unbelievable.


We are being deceived.


I wish John Carpenter would re-make "They Live."

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Off topic.


"They Live" - the ULTIMATE conspiracy movie. Ever seen it SFB?


Looks like a conspiracy theorist convention going on around here.
Shucks....and my tin foil hat is at the cleaners.

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Good one! My favorite paranoid is Big Dog. He believes aliens flew millions of light-years, just to build stone pyramids.


FYI: BD is an admitted 9.11 truther.

Also, from when his ID was brutus smith:

“I am a Federal Agent working out of Langley Virginia, assigned to watch right wingnuts posing as Libertarians. Also I Fact check far right wingnut bloggers. “

(brutus smith, Oct. 30, 2010)

'nuff said.

The Big Dog's back

And you know they didn't how?


The 9/11 Commission Report and the FACT that even Pres. Clinton said that the "truthers" were nutz "Double-Naught" spy. :)


The Big Dog's back
Tue, 04/16/2013 - 3:42pm

"Everyone knows it was a right winger."

GOOD CALL Double-Naught! LOL

The Big Dog's back

Ahhhhh, it was a right winger.


Nope! They were lefties like you and your ilk:

"Investigators have said it appears the brothers were angry about the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."

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The Big Dog's back

The question wasn't for you con.


Regardless, my response fits.

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TBDb - And you know Christ wasn’t resurrected how?

The Big Dog's back

I don't. But neither do you.


From when BD was brutus smith:

"Actually a bunch (of) Stone Age right wingnuts wrote the Old Testament." (brutus smith, Sept. 10, 2010)

Feel the same way about the NT Double-Naught?

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To deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ, you have to close your eyes to the overwhelming facts of history. Yet when it comes to little green have faith.

The Big Dog's back

Tell me what HISTORY book contains those "facts".


BD aka brutus smith wrote:

“Those of us born and raised Catholic,” (brutus smith, Nov. 25, 2010)

What happened to you Double-Naught?



Darwin's choice

Show us the evidence! We want to see it all now! Really? I understand wanting to know everything that happened, when, where and how but they also have to put together a criminal case. No prosecutor is going to lay out all of his evidence for the defense attorney to get a jump on it. The media in general is filled with talking heads who report the newest rumor, with no regard to veracity, just so they can say they had it first. If you read it or hear it, triple check sources. Now that the mad dash to break the news is slowing down, reports should be a bit more accurate.


They did it. Bottom line.


Prove it.


Hijacked victim tells tale of his ride with the bombers.

The 26-year-old Chinese entrepreneur had just pulled his new Mercedes to the curb on Brighton Avenue to answer a text when an old sedan swerved behind him, slamming on the brakes. A man in dark clothes got out and approached the passenger window. It was nearly 11 p.m. last Thursday.

The man rapped on the glass, speaking quickly. Danny, unable to hear him, lowered the window -- and the man reached an arm through, unlocked the door, and climbed in, brandishing a silver handgun.

“Don’t be stupid,” he told Danny. He asked if he had followed the news about Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings. Danny had, down to the release of the grainy suspect photos less than six hours earlier.

“I did that,” said the man, who would later be identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev. “And I just killed a policeman in Cambridge.”


New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev told interrogators from his hospital bed that he and his older brother decided on the spot last Thursday night to drive to New York and launch an attack. In their stolen SUV they had five pipe bombs and a pressure-cooker explosive like the ones that blew up at the marathon, Kelly said.

But when the Tsarnaev brothers stopped at a gas station on the outskirts of Boston, the carjacking victim they were holding hostage escaped and called police, Kelly said. Later that night, police intercepted the brothers in a blazing gunbattle that left 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev dead.

If that isn't proof enough? He admitted to heading to NYC after Boston to blow up Times Square.

Silly conspiracy people. LOL.