School violence workshop Tuesday

Program at BGSU Firelands rescheduled because of weather
Alissa Widman Neese
Apr 7, 2014


Two years ago, a northeast Ohio community mourned the brutal slaying of three high school boys.

A 17-year-old shooter opened fire in Chardon High School’s cafeteria just days prior, fatally striking the three students and injuring three others. He received a life sentence in prison this past year.

Two years later, experts still aren’t certain of the troubled boy’s motive.

But one expert, a retired U.S. Army ranger, is determined to link violent media as a primary contributing factor.

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, an internationally recognized scholar, author and speaker, will visit BGSU Firelands to discuss his theories on school violence triggers.    

Want to go?
WHAT: “Safe Schools and Healthy Kids: Educating Our Community”
WHEN: 1-2:30 p.m. April 8
WHERE: BGSU Firelands Cedar Point Center
COST: Free to all

Anyone can attend the free event, which begins 1 p.m. April 8 in the Cedar Point Center.

The goal: teach educators, counselors, social workers and all community members about means of curbing violent crimes and increasing student health and success.

“Helping to create safe educational environments for our children is very important,” said BGSU Firelands lecturer Tracy McGinley, who helped organize the program.

Grossman’s specialty is studying the psychology of killing and what he calls the worldwide “virus” of violent crime.

But the program at BGSU Firelands doesn’t exclusively address school shootings, said McGinley, who is also the director of the college’s criminal justice program.

“It’s also about reducing assaults and bullying in our schools,” she said. “We want all the children in our communities to be able to attend school and to be safe. This applies to elementary, middle and high schools, as well as college campuses.”

The Community Enrichment Series, Criminal Justice Club and Student Activities Department at BGSU Firelands sponsored Grossman’s visit.

Before Grossman’s community presentation, he will offer a workshop from 8 a.m. to noon for area counselors and social workers interested in earning credit for their continuing education units. Seating is limited. Call 419-372-0692 to register.



Violent media is not a contributing factor. You're a dork.

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The Hero Zone

It contributes but isn't necessarily the cause. It contributes in the same way the radon gas contributes to lung cancer. People can still get lung cancer without being exposed to radon continuously, but in many cases the cancer is spurred by unknown/unmitigated exposure.

That's why it needs addressed. You can't see nor smell radon. It exists everywhere and is very much a part of nature itself. So if approached passively, ignorance of it maintained, or the problem not addressed it will have its effect. Radon detectors help immensely.

Same with violence. As a purveyor of material which contains it (from cartoonish Pokemon battles to the grim darkness of 41st century warfare where standard bullets are mass-reactive mini-grenades) my biggest concern is the lack of context kids have regarding the material they handle/watch. Whether or not a parent thinks they have "radon" in their house, it exists as a part of nature and needs to be discussed.

When parents do this it helps to create an open line of communication between they and their kids. It sets expectations and opens the floor for critical thought. Sometimes the content in a game can seem to be romanticized to a person's imagination with the reality and impracticality of the actions set to the back. Talking about this stuff keeps it in the forefront.

The value of one's life and the long-term aspects of living must also buttress these talks. Bodies don't just fade away as they do in games. If that grounding influence is lost, there is more of a probability that a young mind not yet taught to rationalize things deeply/constantly. Their poor choices will then spill over into others' lives in negative ways.

It can take a lot of effort to be a monitor like the radon detector. That is at least done without any more thought than replacing the battery. After that it is 24/7 monitoring. But to step up as a friend, family member, teacher, etc. and monitor a child's content is a bit more taxing! That's where expectations must be set, touched upon, and confronted in a timely fashion when an incident occurs.

In my humble opinion.


Hero, your radon comparison is flawed - people exposed to high doses of inhaled radon are going to get cancer, period. Thus, you're implying that, while all violence is not caused by exposure to violent media, all exposure to violent media causes violence - i.e. that violent media is one of several deterministic causes. The problem is, it isn't deterministic - thousands of people view it every day and never become violent.

Studies have shown that, for media violence to inspire real world violence, three factors are necessary: the media in question must depict a moral imperative for the violence, the viewer must agree with that moral imperative, and the viewer must perceive the same imperative in a real life situation. Media violence is generations old, but what is new is the popularity of violent media where the protagonists are criminals or other sorts of anti-heroes (e.g. Pulp Fiction) - this creates far more opportunity for the depiction of false moral imperatives.


Good post Hero. Note: 4th paragraph s/b "between THEM and their kids.

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The Hero Zone

Compliment and correction appreciated. I tip my hat to you. Forgive me this error as I was posting sociological theory while running two tournaments for card games. Both of which presumably and coincidentally attract the same general demographic as the seminar's topic!

If only more kids would understand that "nerd" isn't a dirty, four-letter word...


I believe it absolutely is a contributor. When you look at the cartoons and video games that are out there, not ony for kids but for everyone, they are extremely violent and people don't seem to think anything of buying them for their kids - even video games that have labeling on them that tell of explicit violence - and they just hand them over to young children like they're a mickey mouse game. I'm not saying that it's all the fault of video games and tv but like Hero said it does play a part, a personally I think it plays a BIG part. I took care of two young boys for nearly a year and during that time they had their fair share of fights as most siblings do but what I would see the most of was the boys acting out the fights they would see on shows like "Power Rangers" and "Pokemon" or my favorite was "Yugioh". They really thought they were tough stuff then as they were trying to bash the snot out of each other and tearing the house up at the same time. I've already heard the saying "boys will be boys" but when they were using the exact same words for whatever karate chop they were about to use on their brother that they had just heard on one of the cartoons they watched earlier, it's not just "boys will be boys". Parents need to step in and make one important move - pressing the "off" button on the tv/video game and maybe even the computer and start making more family time.

Stop It

Really? Then why didn't my generation take to using all sorts of contraptions meant for harm or pain as we watched Bugs Bunny and all the other WB cartoons? Why didn't the same happen Tom and Jerry and a plethora of others like Quick Draw McGraw, Yogi Bear, Secret Squirrel, etc.,etc.? They all used violence.. Not to mention the reruns of The Three Stooges, Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello and Charlie Chaplin flicks?

Because we had the sense and upbringing NOT to believe cartoons were real and *after you're dead you get an unlimited amount of lives to comeback and fight some more.* Dead is dead.

I never did this and I've watched it at least 100 times in my life.


Cartoons and other shows were violent when I was growing up too and I haven't gone out and shot up any schools or workplaces. It's mental illness or inappropriate behavior and bad parenting, not violent video games or shows. Wake up. While some children may try to emulate what they see on tv, it is more their upbringing that influences them than violence on tv. This is a fact. There is research done on this. My brothers and sisters and I fought and wrestled too but we didn't try to kill each other. If those kids were trying to bash the snot out of each other, you should have stopped it and shut off the tv. They more than likely thought they were tough because whatever male in their life that was a role model took the same stance. Too many people want to blame outside influences when the problem is family dynamics or a violent parent that sends the wrong message.

Stop It


The Big Dog's back

Fox news and rush promote violence everyday.

Darwin's choice

You are in need of a good azz kicking!

The Big Dog's back

You just proved my point durwood.

thinkagain's picture

Godless, hateful liberals raising angry children with no morals is the greatest pox on our society.


some of your comment has merit, but some does not. all liberals are not godless and not all people that don't believe in god raise angry children with no morals. some people period should not be parents. they do not have the capacity to take care of themselves never mind a poor innocent child. angry people raise angry children. there are many religious people that poorly raise children as well and affect them psychologically, scarring them for life. it's not just a liberal vs conservative argument. people are not that easily stuffed into your boxes.


It's ironic to see Thinkagain complain about godless liberals when he has, in other threads this week, revealed himself to be thinking in lockstep with them. Thinkagain has this week endorsed government redistribution of wealth, government enforcement of morality, and government monopoly on force through civilian disarmament, all of which are the hallmarks of fascist (and coincidentally, officially atheist) regimes. In another thread Thinkagain responded to critics that he chooses Jesus over Ceasar, but in all three of these endorsements, Thinkagain is placing trust in Ceasar, not God.

Thinkagain spends a lot of time pontificating about a moral code in which his endorsements reveal a complete lack of true faith. One who truly has faith in the righteousness of God's commands will trust God to enforce them and punish those who transgress, in this life or the next, but Thinkagain chooses to make this the responsibility of government instead of God. Moreover, Thinkagain supports government redistribution of wealth, most of which attempts to thwart God by taking forcibly confiscated tax money and using it to protect people from the consequences of their own immoral choices. Thinkagain is hopelessly caught up in a futile effort to bring about the Kingdom through human government efforts. Is Thinkagain losing patience with God?

Thinkagain is also fond of ill-considered litmus tests followed by kneejerk reactions, taking yet another page from the playbook of atheist statists and the legalistic organized churches of which Thinkagain is often critical. According to Thinkagain, if you don't support prohibition, you MUST be a drug user. This has led Thinkagain to level factually and provably false accusations against others here about whom he has no direct knowledge (whatever happened to thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor?) Further, it telegraphs an inability to comprehend how someone might advocate something out of anything other than direct self interest. That failure is typically indicative that one's own judgments are based not on principle, but on whose ox is being gored.

So what is that in your eye, Thinkagain - could it be a big fat log?


repuglican republicon repuglican't repugliwon't. Of course it's liberals that always do the shootin' and advocate for personal military arsenals


I have no political or religious affiliation. I hate politics and the hypocritical religious arrangements people buy into. None of us know for sure if God does exist or what he wanted for us. I pray someone is looking out for us and I do believe in guardian angels but to say that you have to believe this way or that way or you're going to hell is crap. Hell is on earth as far as I'm concerned and what comes after may not be heaven but something else. We do not know despite all that we've been led to believe by the various religions that dominate our society. you may as well believe in ghosts as in God because unless you've ever seen either, you are just believing stories or what someone else has shoved down your throat without proof.

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Jesus Christ is the clearest picture of God revealing himself to us.

Christians who have been spiritually born-again know that God is real.

As a Christian who knows how real God is, the atheist's claim that God doesn't exist seems like childish rebellion.

If you want to have a personal relationship with God, He’s waiting.

Stop It



I think you're delusional.


Have you ever seen a guardian angel? How can you believe in one if you have never seen one? And who do you pray to?

getit right be4...

I would like to know it these folks are for or against zero tolerance in schools. Are they for suspending a child for chewing a pastry into the shape of a gun? Are they in favor of expelling a child for pointing there finger and thumb and saying bang?

If so I hope to see them unemployed ASAP.


Why should we be surprised that young people are expressing themselves through violence? After all our whole collectivist society condones people voting for government thugs (politicians) who make immoral laws that falsely sanction other government thugs (law enforcement, courts) to violently violate other people's natural rights under the color of law. This teaches our young people that it's alright to use violence to force others to do something or stop others from doing something in violation of legitimate (natural) law, especially if your gang of thugs is big or brutal enough. We can start to reduce violence by providing the good example of not allowing government thugs to violate natural law by violating natural rights. Every good person should shame and ostracize government thugs & profiteers.


Error-Should have wrote: This teaches our young people that it's alright to use violence, in violation of legitimate (natural) law, to force others to do something or stop others from doing something, especially if your gang of thugs is big or brutal enough.


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