Clinton shadow in Iowa no threat to some Democrats

Presidential contenders have nothing to lose if Clinton runs, lots to gain if she doesn't
Associated Press
Aug 24, 2014

 

Democrats with presidential dreams are coming to Iowa with little fanfare, entourage or recognition.

They are undeterred by talk of a Hillary Rodham Clinton candidacy in 2016 or her plans to visit the leadoff caucus state next month to honor retiring Sen. Tom Harkin.

But former Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia, Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and a few other Democrats have nothing to lose if Clinton runs, and lots to gain if she doesn't.

"I'm here to listen to people and think about things," Webb told The Associated Press with a grin.

Webb's answer, matched with his schedule, has the ring of someone on a political fact-finding mission.

The former Navy secretary spoke Thursday to the Iowa Federation of Labor's annual conference, an important gathering of Democratic opinion leaders. He also campaigned for Rep. Dave Loebsack and Senate candidate Bruce Braley and dined in Des Moines with prominent Democrats, all the while guided by Iowa-based political operative Jessica Vandenberg.

It was Webb's first such foray. He used it to set himself apart from President Barack Obama, whose job approval nationally has been below 50 percent since last year.

The president's use of executive authority "has gone way too far away from the legislative branch," Webb told the 100 labor leaders at a conference center outside Des Moines. "It certainly is outside all precedent, and the Congress should have stepped in," he added later in the interview.

But Webb, a decorated former Marine whose serious tone hardly makes the pulse race, mixed in a little humor, a time-honored political icebreaker. "I'm the only person elected to the United States Senate with a union card, two Purple Hearts and three tattoos," he told the labor conference to chuckles and applause.

On the GOP side, some potential candidates are further along in Iowa, with paid staff on the ground.

Klobuchar, on her third trip to Iowa since the 2012 election, discussed the minimum wage during a stop Saturday in Waterloo with Braley.

She says she would support a Clinton candidacy. But if Clinton weren't in the race, Klobuchar would have proximity to Iowa on her side.

"Right now, I'm focused on this job and I think a lot of the work I'm doing in the Senate has national implications," she told The Des Moines Register while in Iowa last year.

Other Democrats who have visited Iowa include Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley and former Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent who is supported largely by Democrats, will be in Iowa when Clinton attends Harkin's annual fundraiser.

Making early visits before better-known prospects has its advantage, said former Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh. He spent 2006 cultivating Democratic support in Iowa, as did Mark Warner, then a former Virginia governor and now a U.S. senator. Both abandoned the idea of a presidential bid after seeing Obama emerging as likely the most promising alternative to Clinton in the 2008 race.

"I reached the conclusion that I could run, but I couldn't win," Bayh told the AP.

Others stay in, despite heavyweight rivals, to audition for top administration posts, as Vice President Joe Biden did, while others lay the groundwork for future campaigns, Bayh said.

Biden, the party's biggest potential 2016 contender not named Clinton, has not been to Iowa since headlining Harkin's event last year, but he has stayed in touch with Iowans he's befriended as a two-time candidate for president and groups who have come to Washington.

Some, however, strike it rich.

A little-known governor of Arkansas ahead of the 1992 presidential campaign, Bill Clinton made early inroads in Iowa and New Hampshire even though more prominent Democrats — New York's Mario Cuomo and Missouri's Richard Gephardt — were in the mix. Clinton had nothing to lose staying in the race, then steadily gained as the field narrowed.

"You might get some who run anyway," Bayh said. "They might catch lightning in a bottle."

 

Comments

JACKEL

She is a threat to humanity !

The Answer Person

And you are an example of local ignorance.

Contango

The Hillarites expect VP Biden to just 'roll over' for her coronation? lol

Bring on Sen. Warren!

Let's see a good ol' political slugfest.

just observing

Name one personal accomplishment of Hillary Clinton.

knowitall

I am not going to so your leg work. Look it up yourself. What you need to do is ask that question of any candidate, whether republican or democrat or other. Let's say for example, substitute Bush when he was a candidate, and ask the same question.

Contango

Not to worry; even Ms. Clinton has difficulty remembering her "accomplishments."

http://www.aei.org/article/forei...

knowitall

They can't be any worse than GW's and he was president in name.

Contango

Re: "GW's,"

Off-topic.

knowitall

Have a good day.

knowitall

That is a right wing ultra fascist publication. And what did other Secretaries of State accomplish?

Contango

Re: "ultra fascist publication,"

Based on the Diane Sawyer ABC interview.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/...

knowitall

Answer my question.

knowitall

GW's top three accomplishments.......#3, gave the largest tax cut in history, mostly for the rich; #2, oversaw the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression; and the #1 accomplishment is, the Iraq War based on WMDs. Oh ya, I did forget 9/11. That is in there too.

Contango

Re: "GW's"

Off-topic.

Watch or read the Diane Sawyer interview.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/h...

Benghazi will haunt her.

She voted for the Iraq Resolution.

The Big Dog's back

Only in your right wingnut world will those things matter pooh.

Contango

And only to the deaf, dumb and blind useful idiots do they not.

You don't think that her potential Dem contenders will whack her with them and others?

jazzb0

Nice shot , knowitall.

The right wingnuts always try to put it all on Clinton or Obama.

Donegan

And still not one Hillary accomplishment has been mentioned yet. For you morons who keeps mentioning Bush Not having a accomplishment before becoming president you are pointing out what Hillary and him have in common. Not one accomplishment worth squat.

knowitall

You are not very nice calling me a moron. I have never called you a derogatory term.

Contango

Re: "Hillary"

Well she did try for a $1 million grant in order to build a Woodstock museum.

Something from which EVERY American citizen could benefit.

Wonder if there would have been a "brown acid" exhibit?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-...

knowitall

Ultra right wing neo fascist publication. Now, on to the museum. What museum benefits EvErY American citizen?
Your comment makes no sense.
Also, as you so knowingly say.......museum is off topic.

Contango

Re: "museum is off topic"

How so? One of Sen. Clinton's 'almost' "accomplishments.

So every American wouldn't LOVE to see a Woodstock museum for $1 million? :)

The Big Dog's back

Better than a museum to house Nancy Reagan's clothes.

Contango

Re: "Nancy Reagan's clothes,"

Off-topic nonsense.

deertracker

So unless you bring it up it is off topic? SMDH!

Contango

Re: "So,"

What's the article about Sport?

The Big Dog's back

Have you ever stayed on topic pooh?

Contango

Re: "Have you (snip)"

Off-topic.

Again: What's the article about?

knowitall

Contango.....you seem reasonable. What do you think about Donegan calling me a moron?

The Big Dog's back

That was sarcasm right knowitall?

knowitall

The first part! Lol.

Contango

Re: "Donegan calling me a moron,"

Are you?

knowitall

No

knowitall

Kept relations with Pakistan on an even keel even after US drone strikes and the killing of Bin
Laden. There is one. That is all you asked for. If you need another, try opening up
Burma.

Contango

Re: "Pakistan on an even keel,"

More like they enjoy the billions in U.S. taxpayer CASH.

http://www.cgdev.org/page/aid-pa...

knowitall

I beg your pardon. I was answering Donegan. You guys are wearing me out! Lol.

Contango

Re "I was answering Donegan,"

So?

So have you read "Hard Choices"?

The reviews were pretty lousy.

(Edited. )

deertracker

No way he could have read Clear Choices! The name of the book is Hard Choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Contango

Re: "Hard Choices,"

Thanks. Obviously it's forgettable.

deertracker

That's the Kessler's talking pooh!

Contango

Re: "That's (snip)"

Off-topic idiocy.

just observing

"Hard Choices" I thought that was Bill's method of picking interns.

deertracker

Bill O'Reilly?

jazzb0

Ha ha @ just observing.

knowitall

Compliments of Dems and republicans alike.

Contango

So?

"Even keel"? What the h*ll does that even mean?

Did she list keeping Pakistan on an "even keel" as one of her "accomplishments"?

knowitall

Look. You asked and I gave an answer. Don't tell me I didn't give you an answer. Pakistan is a tenuous relationship. Is it good...no. Is it necessary.....yes. Even your conservative buddies think so. There is nobody with any common sense who thinks we should ignore Pakistan. The devil is in the details on how that relationship is managed.

Contango

Re: "Pakistan,"

So you think listing the keeping "relations with Pakistan on an even keel" will be a large political asset towards Ms. Clinton's eventual coronation?

H*ll, I'll bet most Americans can't even find Pakistan on a map.

Cash and prizes baby; Americans tend to vote with their wallets in mind.

knowitall

I am not taking that bet! I am certain most cannot.

Donegan

Pakistan has become a haven for terrorist and we are paying Pakistan for doing absolutely nothing, you know except hiding bin laden for years. Please explain how that is a accomplishment?
I did not mean you specifically, It is just my nickname for whoever is even thinking about Hillary as a president.

deertracker

Pakistan always was a haven. Why do you think they were left out of the loop on the bin Laden killing? We have been giving them aid for years. You can't put that on Clinton.

Try again!

Donegan

I do not have to try again, Its Hillary's "Accomplishment" you just debunked.YOU try again.

deertracker

Try again dummy!!!!!!!!!

The Big Dog's back

By the time the Repub candidates get done with their circular firing squad, any Dem could win.

knowitall

You mean like last time. They are already shooting themselves in the foot. All they will have to offer is Michelle Bachman again. Maybe Herman Cain might enter the picture. He has been handing out free pizzas.

jazzb0

"... circular firing squad..." LOL ! Ain't it the truth ?

just observing

You mean like Fitzy is doing in the governors race, or in his case crawl......

knowitall

Let's hope they put on the circus side show again.

The Big Dog's back

Oh it'll happen.

just observing

You have the clown in Biden and the witch in Hillary, the circus in on the road..... Opening night Benghazi, second week Whitewater Ark....

Contango

Re: "Hillary,"

Bill Clinton said that the U.S. got a 'two-fer' with Hillary being the co-POTUS.

HillaryCare imploded.

The Dems dumped her over the side in '08. Old news.

There are a boat load of Dems who are tired of the Clintons' nonsense and are ready for new and younger blood in the WH.

Run Elizabeth Run!

Donegan

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
Keep electing the same Parties, People and policies. It is definite proof you need mental help.

The Big Dog's back

Start your own party. Call it the dummygans.

Donegan

Kindergarten started back up, Quit skipping school you need it more than the rest.

Contango

The Clintons are worth an estimated $100 million.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com...

Yet, after they left the WH, Mrs. Clinton said that they were broke. lol

"We came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-...

Gotta love those rich Democrat party hypocrites!

The Big Dog's back

So only Repubs should be wealthy?

Contango

Re: "So (snip)"

Off-topic nonsense.

The Big Dog's back

pooh, are you jealous that no one will offer you a book deal or pay to hear you speak?

Contango

Re: "are you (snip)"

More off-topic blather.

deertracker

Kessler's is listening but he pays them!

Contango

Re: "Kessler's"

Off-topic idiocy.

deertracker

It's true though!

Contango

Re: "It's true though!"

Only if blathering idiocy is true for you.

jazzb0

So Contango , back to the question : only Repubs should be wealthy?

Contango

Re: "So,"

Again: Off-topic nonsense.

jazzb0

You have a difficulty understanding threads.

Just answer the question.

Contango

Re: "You (snip),"

The SUBJECT is Ms. Clinton.

Better hope that she can keep the voters awake while she rattles off her "accomplishments."

Have a nice day, Sport.

jazzb0

We should name a team after you -The Sandusky Dodgers.

The Big Dog's back

LMAO! And with Kesslers as his sponsor.

knowitall

Contango....you are off topic with your off topic.

Contango

Re: "off topic,"

Nope. Follow the thread back to the original post.

arnmcrmn

No BD, it just shows how much of a liar she is. Try sta ying with us here, I know it's hard most of the time.

deertracker

.....and the lie is????

just observing

Not one left wing loon can name ONE PERSONAL ACCOMPLIHMENT for Hillary Clinton, Bush is out of office 6 years, he's not running for anything so enough trying to change the subject, one accomplishment for Hillary?

The Big Dog's back

“The most important thing I did was to help restore America’s leadership in the world. And I think that was a very important accomplishment. We were flat on our back when I walked in there the first time.

“We were viewed as being untrustworthy, as violating our moral rules and values, as being economically hobbled. And we had to get out there and once again promote American values and pursue our interests and protect national security. Because of the eight years that preceded us — it was the economic collapse, it was two wars, it was the war on terror that led to some very unfortunate, un-American actions being taken. That was my biggest challenge. It was why the president asked me to be secretary of state.”

Donegan

That is comical! You have to resort to her tooting her own horn to find anything that resembles a accomplishment? LOL!
If anything we have fell behind in world leadership, Hell even our allies are dropping out on us. We support terrorist (See Syria), Back the overthrow of governments with nothing to replace them with besides extremist (See Libya,Egypt, Ukraine)and if you ask her ANYTHING AT ALL about anything that matters she will claim she is brain damaged from a fall down some stairs.
The president asked her to be sec of state to pay off the party leaders and Clintons for throwing her under the bus during the election cycle.

Contango

Re: "The (snip)"

You actually believe this bilge? lol

So how'd the Russian "re-set" go?

just observing

How did she restore American leadership, the Arab spring, Benghazi, the famous reset button with Russia, the rise of ISIS, I said accomplishments, not her failures. I doubt if she wants anyone to consider her inside trading, Whitewater, Vince Foster or being someone who allows her husband to take advantage of young female interns in the Oral Office after his long history of being a womanizer that she ignores and stays with him for her own political power.

deertracker
Contango

The cartoon link in the article was great!

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/ca...

US News = lefty.

knowitall

Are you a republican Contango?

Contango

Nope. Independent.

knowitall

You seem right wing, not radical though.

deertracker

You will really enjoy this then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...

knowitall

Read my earlier posts just observing. I gave them!

Contango

Re: "I gave them!"

Just 'being present' isn't an accomplishment.

knowitall

Tango....off topic.

Contango

Re: "off topic."

Nope. The reference is to Ms. Clinton.

Go back to the Diane Sawyer interview.

Without really trying, Ms. Sawyer shredded her regarding accomplishments while SoS.

If an ABC interviewer can inflict that much damage from softball questions, just imagine what a likely Democrat party presidential contender will do to her.

Again: Do you REALLY believe that VP Biden is just going to roll over?

Also, many Dems want Sen. Warren to run.

Don't be waiting for your Hillary coronation gala invitation in the mail just yet.

2016 is a lifetime away in politics.

just observing

Can't blame Fox for this, even PMSNBC can't name Hillary's accomplishments.

http://youtu.be/mBwUWnWraWU

When it comes to women's rights and Hillary, does her taking Monica's dress to the dryer cleaner count?

knowitall

READ MY EARLIER POSTS!

jazzb0

just observing ,
that clip didn't prove anything except that you are a uncomprehending , vile , little person grabbing at nothing for 'proof'.

knowitall

Correcto mundo.

KURTje

Cliven Bundy/ Ted Nugent 2016