Obama, allies vow firm response to Islamic State

Islamic militants post video of U.S. journalist's murder Tuesday and said they killed him because of U.S. airstrikes
Associated Press
Aug 20, 2014

 

The United States stood firm Wednesday in its fight against Islamic State militants who beheaded a U.S. journalist in Iraq, pledging to continue attacking the group despite its threats to kill another American hostage. President Barack Obama denounced the group as a "cancer" threatening the entire region as the administration weighed sending even more American troops to Iraq.

"We will be vigilant and we will be relentless," Obama said as the U.S. military pressed ahead with more airstrikes on Islamic State targets in Iraq.

The execution of journalist James Foley drew international condemnation, and western nations responded with stepped-up efforts to counter the threat posed by Islamic State. Germany announced it would supply the Kurds with weapons to fight the insurgent. Italy's defense minister said the country hopes to contribute machine guns, ammunition and anti-tank rockets. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said the killing showed the true face of this "caliphate of barbarism."

In capitals across the Middle East, by contrast, the news of Foley's death was met with silence, even in Syria and Iraq — the two countries where the Islamic State is strongest. On social media, people in the region condemned Foley's killing, but stressed that the Islamic State has been committing atrocities against Iraqis and Syrians for years.

In Foley's home town of Rochester, New Hampshire, his parents spoke to reporters in an appearance where wrenching grief over their son's death mingled with laughter over his life. Diane Foley said her son was courageous to the end and called his death "just evil."

"We are just very proud of Jimmy and we are praying for the strength to love like he did and keep courageous and keep fighting for all the people he was fighting for," she said. "We pray for all the remaining Americans."

Obama's remarks affirmed that the U.S. would not scale back its military posture in Iraq in response to Foley's killing. In fact, the State Department did not rule out extending military operations into Syria to bring those responsible to justice, with spokeswoman Marie Harf saying the U.S. "reserves the right to hold people accountable when they harm Americans. What that looks like going forward, those conversations will be happening."

Since the video was released Tuesday, the U.S. military has conducted 14 airstrikes on Islamic State targets. And U.S. officials said military planners were considering the possibility of sending a small number of additional troops to Iraq, at the request of the State Department, mainly to provide additional security around Baghdad.

Obama said he'd told Foley's family in a phone call Wednesday that the United States joins them in honoring all that Foley did, praising the journalist for his work telling the story of the crisis in Syria, where Foley was captured in 2012. "Jim Foley's life stands in stark contrast to his killers," Obama said. He spoke from Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts, where his family is vacationing.

Foley, 40, went missing in northern Syria in November 2012 while freelancing for Agence France-Presse and the Boston-based media company GlobalPost. The car he was riding in was stopped by four militants in a contested battle zone that both Sunni rebel fighters and government forces were trying to control. He had not been heard from since.

"All of us feel the ache of his absence," Obama said. "All of us mourn his loss."

The beheading marks the first time the Islamic State has killed an American citizen since the Syrian conflict broke out in March 2011, upping the stakes in an increasingly chaotic and multilayered war. The killing is likely to complicate U.S. involvement in Iraq and the Obama administration's efforts to contain the group as it expands in both Iraq and Syria.

The group is the heir apparent of the militancy known as al-Qaida in Iraq, which beheaded many of its victims, including American businessman Nicholas Berg in 2004.

The video released on websites Tuesday suggests increasing sophistication of the Islamic State group's media unit and begins with scenes of Obama explaining his decision to order airstrikes. It then cuts to Foley, kneeling in the desert. A masked militant is shown apparently beginning to cut at Foley's neck. The video fades to black before the beheading is completed; the next shot shows Foley's dead body.

The militant in the video has not been identified, but he spoke with a British accent, and British Prime Minister David Cameron said that "from what we have seen it looks increasingly likely that is a British citizen." U.S. officials agreed with that assessment.

GlobalPost President Philip Balboni said the news service received an email "full of rage" last week in which Foley's captors threatened to kill him. Balboni said the White House was aware of the threat, but no negotiations took place.

Obama did not specifically mention Steven Sotloff, another kidnapped American journalist that Islamic State says could be killed next. But he offered prayers on behalf of the American people for "those other Americans who are separated from their families."

A man identified as Sotloff appears at the end of the Foley video. Sotloff was kidnapped near the Syrian-Turkish border in August 2013. He had freelanced for Time, the National Interest and MediaLine.

Tuesday's airstrikes by American fighter jets and drones centered on targets around the Mosul Dam and were designed to help Iraqi and Kurdish forces create a buffer zone at the key facility, according to a U.S. official. The official was not authorized to discuss the ongoing operations publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.

Since Aug. 8, there have been 84 U.S. airstrikes in Iraq on Islamic State targets — including security checkpoints, vehicles and weapons caches. It's not clear how many militants have been killed in the strikes, although it's likely that some were.

The Islamic State militant group is so ruthless in its attacks against all people they consider heretics or infidels that it has been disowned by al-Qaida's leaders. In seeking to impose its harsh interpretation of Islamic law in the lands it is trying to control, the extremists have slain soldiers and civilians alike in horrifying ways — including mounting the decapitated heads of some of its victims on spikes.

Senators from both parties condemned the killing, and some Republicans questioned Obama's resolve in confronting the Islamic State.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Obama's tone was right but his strategy insufficient.

"The strategy should be to launch all-out air attacks in Iraq and Syria to defeat ISIS, not stop them," McCain said in a telephone interview.

The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists says that more than 80 journalists have been abducted in Syria, and estimates that around 20 are currently missing there. It has not released their nationalities. In its annual report in November, the committee described the widespread seizure of journalists as unprecedented and largely unreported by news organizations in the hope that keeping the kidnappings out of public view may help in the captives' release.

 

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sugar

This new violence and beheading lays directly on the shoulders of , we are pulling all troops out of Iraq Obama.

knowitall

Iraq wanted us out...completely. Remember? Shouldn't have been there at all. Saddam was keeping control,pretty good. Democracy isn't for everyone.

Silent_Majority

Really Knowitall... I take it you have been to Iraq or maybe you served in the first Gulf War. For some reason I highly doubt you've done nothing bit piss and whine your whole life along with your favorite talk show host or god to you Glen Beck. Your uneducated comment about the Iraqi people is totally 100% ignorance. You are the perfect example of self centered Americanism that thinks you are bestowed by God democracy because only you are so perfect and worthy of it.
With your trashy vile opinion you just slapped every freedom loving Iraqi citizen and threw your excrement on every soldier who died in Iraq and their families along with the men/women whom served over there. What we accomplished over there was one of my generations finest moments. I will proudly risk my life again for the chance to help those fine citizens maintain their freedom. You, your cowardly polititions and propagandize news media do not have one iota of a clue about the history of Saddam (The Butcher of Baghdad) and his satanic sons. Since you "know- it- all" I will refresh your memory.
Saddam was and executioner/henchmen of the now defunct Baath party where is uncle was the leader. Saddam slaughtered his way to the top by killing friends and relatives to gain control of the Baath party. Then sent his uncle in exile somewhere in France. Saddam gained control of Iraq by literally slaughtering and mutilating all who opposed him and his party. Enter the Satanic sons who were known to go about the country and notice any beautiful child, teen, married, or whatever and literally rape and abuse them in some of the most ungodly ways.
Too bad you couldn't of met them i'm sure they would've found you as one of their best friends. Thanks for caring about the Iraqi people but as you can see they don't need your kind of help. Enjoy your life!

jazzb0

" Saddam gained control of Iraq by literally slaughtering and mutilating all who opposed him and his party."

-- What did you expect Saddam to do ...give his opponents ice cream and cake ?

Unless you have more firepower ...Obey the laws of the land or get punished - that's how it works.
Or , get the hell out.

A bad government is better than NO government.

I shudder to think of some of the screwballs who post here that want to overthrow government of the USA and set up their authority.
THEY should be thanking God that we DONT have a dictator ruling us , otherwise THEY would be dead right now.

Thank daddy George H.W. Bush for NOT finishing the job of destroying Saddam and betraying the people of Iraq.

"You're doing a heckuva job Saddam "
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wiki...

Silent_Majority

What on earth are you babbling about? I never said one thing about over throwing the Gov. Of the USA. I love this country for the good people that stand up for what is right and just this Gov. In my opinion is blatently failing in that category miserably. You Jazzbo seem like one of those people that do not understand why some people serve. I know it a giant leap for people like you that have no life but to watch false news and learn about the world through Wikipedia (lmao). Are some sort of democratic apologist? It is the human spirit that yearns to be free regardless of nationality, color, and religion. Our Major said it best when he proclaimed, " There are 3 kinds of people in the world, those that are free, those that want to be free, and there are the drones". My question to you is which category do you fall in?

jazzb0

Sounds like you fall under my statement of :
"I shudder to think of some of the screwballs who post here that want to overthrow government of the USA and set up their authority."

What are YOU babbling about ?

Are YOU some sort of Right-wing militia group apologist?

" You Jazzbo seem like one of those people that do not understand why some people serve. I know it a giant leap for people like you that have no life but to watch false news and learn about the world through Wikipedia (lmao)."

-- Very arrogant and presumptive , aren't you ?

FYI - I served .

Did you ?

The Big Dog's back

silent, wack jobs like yourself believe everyone thinks like you, or they should.

knowitall

Jazzbo and Big Dog.....this is the kind of guy our country should worry about.

jazzb0

For sure.

knowitall

Silent.....you sound like a troubled human being. Get real with all your holier than thou crap. There is so much strife in this world. You expect the US to save each and every person who lives in a horrible country? Think again! Look what we, the US, have now in a war that Bush started on false pretenses. God bless our servicemen and women. You must be a war monger too.

ohioengineer

Silent - thank you for your post. I admire your courage and willingness to state your opinion in a reasoned manner. This is what America and democracy are all about: reasoned dialogue; versus the name-calling that many commenters resort to on this site.

knowitall

Reasoned manner? He was outright belligerent! I am not sure if he served. People can lie on this blog. So, I can't have an opinion that is different than his opinion? Talk about anti-American....his comments are the epitome of that. I am as American as he is, maybe more. If I spouted his bull squat, I'd be labeled a right wing John Bircher.

jazzb0

"...reasoned manner "...

Bawwwhahahah !!!

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thinkagain

I agree. I was a proud American the day Saddam’s statue came tumbling down. Thank you for the part you played in bringing that about. And yes, there is still more work to be done.

The Big Dog's back

And how's that worked out neverthinks?

jazzb0

" And yes, there is still more work to be done."

--- That's a very great downplay and/or understatement of the big mess that Bush left the USA and Iraq with.

PS

We cant make our precious Republican party look bad now , can we ?

knowitall

Silent Majority........How is their freedom working for them today? They cut and run! They don't want to be a united nation. Are you blind to that? Biden had it right....three separate countries....Sunni, Shia, Kurds. Guess what, that is what they are doing now and really have been since the beginning. So, think a little about their history before you try to impose something they don't want. Freedom is great if you can sustain it. It ain't happening over there. Get a brain you ignoramus.

jazzb0

Well said.

knowitall

Silent.....I don't need your history lesson Silent. I am well aware of the history....more than you. Where are those WMDs again? Hey, Russia doesn't have freedom and they DO have WMDs. They are even aimed at us! Let's invade them! You are a self righteous ultra conservative war monger.
So, rather than comment on this subject......follow what your name says you are. I think the majority of Americans wanted out of the Iraq quagmire. So, you are really the silent minority.

Brick Hamland

Obama is back from vacation... great. I wonder if he knew about this or Ferguson, who cares I guess as long as he got all his vacation in and got to play golf I guess its ok

The Big Dog's back

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Powell should be forced to watch the videos below over and over. They are solely responsible for what has happened in Iraq. This isn’t Obama’s fault. It’s the fault of the neo-cons that wasted $1.5 trillion of our wealth, killed or maimed 50,000 American soldiers, murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, and have unleashed religious wars across the Middle East. The military industrial complex thanks them heartily. Colin Powell said this to President Bush before the Iraq invasion:

“You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people. You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You’ll own it all.”

Donegan

Dog if you are going to plagiarizer other peoples crap at least give them credit for writing it. http://www.theburningplatform.co...
And No we should blame the president of the US right now he has had 6 years and to quote you and all the other brain dead libs in the country "We Won". Yes you did "Win" So now you own the entire ball of wax, If you did not want the responsibility you shouldn't have even tried for the job.

The Big Dog's back

So when people like you phuch things up it is up to someone else to fix?

Donegan

I was against it when it first started and I am still against it. Unlike your party who just so happened to vote to allow the attacks.(You hypocrites are still gonna vote for Hillary and act like you do not like war. LOL!) Remember "WE WON!" Yes you did if you cannot take responsibility after 6 years you people NEVER need to hold office. Anyways, Quit stealing things, Just because you do not get to loot in Ferguson does not give you the right to plagiarize others.

The Big Dog's back

done again, do I have to post the votes on the Iraq war again?

Donegan

Would it make you happy to steal more stuff that other people wrote? You are a war monger, You excuse Obama killing people left and right and could care less if they all died. You are a hypocrite and Bush is bad, Hillary and the rest of your gods are good even though they believe and do the same things. We get it.

knowitall

How many people were killed in "shock and awe" ?

grumpy

YOU are the one who claimed, a couple days ago, 9/11 was Bush's fault after 9 months, as President, puppy. How many months has obama been President? YOU are the one who put the limit at less than 9 months... now live with you time limit. It is obama's fault, using your logic.

DickTracey

Hahaha, way to call out Big Dog! Nice copy and paste,
Loser. Did you really think we believed you wrote that?

We know anything more than one sentence that is spelled right and doesn't contain the words right wing nut job, could not possibly come from the feeble mind of the trolling uneducated, unemployed, lazy dog.

Ralph J.

LIKE

knowitall

We were to be hailed as heroes. The streets would be lined with Iraqis welcoming us. That is what the war criminal Cheney said.

coasterfan

Exactly. Bush/Cheney removed the cap on the nitroglycerin bottle that was Iraq, by removing Saddam Hussein from power. Today, we are seeing the unintended consequences of their policies in so very many ways, aren't 't we?

Contango

Re: "unintended consequences,"

The "unintended consequences" were put in motion by the Brits & the French during & after WWI.

jazzb0

A bad government is better than no government , would one agree ?

knowitall

You comments are so true. Why these narrow minded war mongers don't see that is beyond me.

SamAdams

It doesn't matter who WAS president. It doesn't matter who IS president. What matters is that there is a cadre of rabid dogs in the Middle East which is crucifying, shooting, dismembering, burying alive, and beheading anyone they consider to be an "infidel." Anyone with a lick of sense knows EXACTLY what you do with rabid dogs. I therefore hold out little hope Obama will do diddly.

"Stop that, or I'll say stop again!" is pretty much the extent of Obama's dealing with terrorism to date. Until he feels real pressure, he's not going to change that, either. As far as I'm concerned, the people who desperately NEED to watch that horrific video are those who protest that "Islam is a religion of peace," and "Israel is to blame," and "America is to blame," and "The terrorists will stop if only we let them keep the territory they've gained." The terrorists WON'T stop until somebody stops them, and you can bet your bottom dollar that our porous southern border has already ensured at least some of them are here. Now. And making plans.

knowitall

Sam....we agree. We and everyone else in the world should hunt these bastards down and make sure each and every one sees their god ASAP. This is one time I would be OK with limited US troops on the ground guiding the Iraqis. These people are al qaida on steroids.

The Big Dog's back

Time to suit up sam. Maybe you can be in on the military planning.

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JMOP

Exactly right Sam!

coasterfan

More people have been killed in the name of religion than for any other reason. Science teaches people to fly to the moon. Religion teaches people to fly into buildings.

Donegan

Governments have killed far more in the name of the state than any religion. But that's what you get when you have centralized powers controlling people. Isn't that what you advocate for Coaster, Complete centralized control by your god and saviors in Washington? I always get the feeling Coaster and the other lackey bow towards the east and Martha's Vineyard twice a day in hopes that their god will hear them on the 10th green.

Contango

Re: "More people have been killed in the name of religion than for any other reason."

Wrong.

Socialism has killed tens of millions in Russia, Germany, Poland, China, N. Korea and elsewhere.

The Big Dog's back

pooh, put down the bottle. Religion WAS involved in Russia, Germany, Poland and China and elsewhere.

deertracker

Don't even try it Dog! There is NO WAY he is going to put the bottle down. It usually has to be pried from his hands after he passes out.

Contango

Re: "Religion WAS involved,"

Technically correct in that the dumbed down progressive-socialists always try to make 'heaven on Earth,' but need to murder those who disagree with their socio-economic insanity.

SamAdams

Although Contango is right where sheer numbers are concerned, you "win" in the category of "killed the most for the longest." Besides, when you get right down to it, socialism is a religion all its own, chock full of dogma and belief without evidence.

I have never understood how what you believe harms me, or what I believe harms YOU. As long as we don't go to war over it or you use it to infringe the rights of others, your beliefs in whatever higher power or political philosophy you choose shouldn't be anybody else's business. In some ways, a good portion of the world (including plenty of Americans) is firmly stuck in the Dark Ages!

The Big Dog's back

right wingnutism is a religion also.

deertracker

Sam you are definitely stuck in the dark ages!

The Big Dog's back

What do you expect, she's a Repub woman. They keep their women locked up. Ahahahahahaha.

GoBigLex2001

Glass the place!!!

Its funny, UK's PM had the decency to cut his vacation short and return to London. Where did our "leader" (used loosely) go? Back to the golf course!

knowitall

Did he have a good score?

rottnrog

OK, he returned to London, what else has he done??

He might as well have stayed on vacation !!

deertracker

Exactly rott!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finn Finn

I agree Lex. I watched an interview the British PM gave, and he was very effective, assuring. It doesn't matter, Dem or Repub - the President should be back at the White House now. He's been on vacation for over a week now. I don't understand it. I don't know if it's ignorance or stubbornness but it looks bad and is unsettling to many citizens.

deertracker

Looks fine to me. Everyone gets a vacation. He has been in touch with the American people!

Finn Finn

Looks fine to you because it's Obama. If Bush had acted in the same way, you'd be bad mouthing and name calling. Obama's response to the American people didn't impress anyone except maybe you and Brutus. He should cut short his vacation. He is looking aloof and disrespectful. The American people want to feel like there is a grown up in charge, much like Prime Minister Cameron, not a little kid who's "play time" isn't over yet. No one can agree with someone 100% of the time; but you, rather embarrassingly, will never openly admit fault with Obama about anything. And that's why your opinions hold no weight.

deertracker

Bush got Americans killed. Over 4000 of them. He also spent about a total of two years on vacation. What say you? You want to tell this President what to do and you are only projecting your feeling on to the American people. Nice try, wrong guy!

Finn Finn

See, there you go again with the knee jerk reaction to every little criticism of Obama. Your worship of this man, as I said before, is embarrassing. I don't know how many days Bush was on vacation, and I'm sure your (liberal) sources don't know either. Googling the subject just now, the numbers range from 100 to 400 days for both Presidents, depending on who's doing the counting. That's not the point I'm trying to make. I think this President should have his finger on the pulse of what the American people are feeling right now, the anger, frustration, fear - and return to Washington and show leadership. It would show respect and strength. This is a small criticism but clearly it incites your impulse to respond to every little comment that doesn't bow to the altar of Obama.

It is a waste of time to continue a dialogue with you because you are not interested in an exchange of ideas and opinions. You just want to slap down anyone who doesn't agree with you. We should all have such lofty goals. I feel embarrassed I even let your simpleton rantings provoke a response. I'm usually more disciplined than that.

deertracker

My knees did not jerk. I just responded to your comment. It is a waste of my time not yours. I get my own opinion and you don't get to give it to me. This President or any other does not need to be in the White House to be President. We have seen him in more than a couple of pressers. Plenty sufficient! You are projecting again. If you are embarrassed it is because of your words not mine. I have no problem with those that criticize the President but you pretend to know how the American people feel. There's over 300 million of us and you know how we all feel? If you want to run for President, go for it but you don't get to dictate how the President leads. He's doing just fine!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...

Finn Finn

Feel better now? Wouldn't want anyone to call you out without responding in some way, would you. Ah yes, Deer, your knees did jerk. Anyone critical of Obama, or ANY Democrat for that matter, can expect to get an enraged, caustic response from you. You are right, I don't "get" to give you your opinion. You have to wait to get that from the Democratic Party. When they tell you what you are supposed to think, then and only then, can you officially spout (parrot) an opinion. Here's a novel idea. Why don't you try to think for yourself sometime?

I don't have to pretend to know how the American people feel. I've seen the latest polls. Most people think your President is doing a terrible job. Only in your eyes and your fellow Democratic Party groupies is he "doing just fine."

You seem to have a complex about people supposedly "dictating" what opinion you are supposed to have. But you have no problem dictating to people with moral objections that they need to fund health programs which provide abortifacients, birth control to high school students, spousal benefits to same sex couples.

You need to step away from this comment board for a few days. Calm down. There is no reason for you to be so hate filled to anyone who doesn't agree with you. Learn to express yourself without the scornful manner.

I will refrain from commenting further because I don't like the nasty turn every discussion takes when you enter it. Again, the discipline thing.

Have a nice evening.

The Big Dog's back

Gov kassick doesn't live in the Governor's mansion so how can he Govern?

knowitall

So true Deer.

knowitall

That's just the Americans Deer. How many tens of thousand civilians were killed while earring their dinner? Some of these self righteous war mongers don't count other human lives.

Ralph J.

Islamic State = ISIS. They exist because they get funding from US allies. Some say the US also funds ISIS.
ISIS “Made in USA”. Iraq “Geopolitical Arsonists” Seek to Burn Region
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isi...

Ralph J.

Washington’s Diabolical Agenda in Iraq: US Pledges “Humanitarian Airstrikes” against US Sponsored IS Terrorists
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isi...
Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s...
US passports? Key members of ISIS it now emerges were trained by US CIA and Special Forces command at a secret camp in Jordan in 2012, according to informed Jordanian officials. The US, Turkish and Jordanian intelligence were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region, conveniently near the borders to both Syria and Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the two Gulf monarchies most involved in funding the war against Syria’s Assad, financed the Jordan ISIS training.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isi...
The 99% can bicker all they want. The 1% will keep getting richer whether a D or an R holds office. IMHO, the 99% don't have a clue. The 1% own you.

Ralph J.

Mass Execution of Iraqi Soldiers & Civilians by US Sponsored ISIS Terrorists.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/gra...

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JMOP

The Mexican drug cartels have been doing this for years. Mass graves, beheadings, firing squads, you name it they do it. The only difference between them and ISIS is the drug money is their god.

lifetimeresident

I know its not Christian like. But why dont we just drop the "BOMB" on Iraq. Then when everything clears we just steal their oil. Can be our 51st state. Men, women, children, grandparents. We just wont talk about it. Say its a lie in the History books. If not, another 500 years of this. Right!

jazzb0

"I know its not Christian like..."

-- but it IS Republican like.

Republicans are trying to rewrite history , right now.

Contango

Air power alone cannot take and hold territory, only "boots" can.

This is Pres. Obama's second war.

Libya was his first. And we all saw how he scr*wed that one up.

The Big Dog's back

Tell us pooh how he screwed up Libya. And you like that bush got rid of Saddam, but don't like that we got rid of Ghaddifi?

deertracker

Do tell pooh!

Contango

Re: "Ghaddifi"

Who the h*ll is "Ghaddifi"?

FYI: Libya is still a mess. Pres. Obama's wrongheaded military involvement solved NOTHING.

deertracker

That the best you got? Try again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Contango

Re: "That,"

Libya is still in the midst of a civil war.

I know you've got the hots for the guy, but the Incompetent-in-Chief solved nothing.

deertracker

So what? Why is that our problem? The airstrikes were in response to the people being threatened with death and if the President had not acted lots of people would have been slaughtered. What don't you get about that? They were not slaughtered so he did solve something.

Contango

Re: "Why is that our problem?"

EXACTLY! Where was U.S. national security involved?

The killing continues:

http://af.reuters.com/article/to...

Not very bright are you?

SCbuckeye

We wasted too many lives and too much money in Iraq already. THEY don't want us there. If you want American boots on the ground there, I'll send you mine...they're broken in for the desert. Bring your own gun.

ohioengineer

One of the few advantages of growing older is that you get to see history repeating itself. In the 1970's we had a president whose foreign policy, like that of the current president, was also based upon conciliation. The result was the terrible and embarrassing Iran hostage crisis. By the time President Carter woke up and realized that terrorists don't play by the rules, a lot of people had died and America's reputation as a world power was a joke.

Yes, history does indeed repeat itself and three decades later we are being led down that same dead-end road. The terrorists and madmen of the world are never going to leave us alone, no matter how much our leader might grovel and apologize to them. As this tragic execution illustrates, they are coming after us and we will need a strong president to protect us. We paid a huge price for poor leadership in 1979 and the cost of doing nothing has gotten even more expensive in the 21st century.

The Big Dog's back

Then you out to be very familiar with the "October Surprise".

deertracker

Maybe we should have recruited Jessie Jackson to go get the hostages. Worked before.

The journalists should not be over there, especially American journalists.

Contango

Re: "history repeating itself,"

In 1914 on the day of the first battle of the Great War (WWI), Chief of the German General Staff Helmuth von Moltke wrote: "the struggle that will decide the course of history for the next hundred years." *

Rather prophetic since we're still busy cleaning up colonial messes.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain.

* "The Guns of August"

deertracker

History does repeat itself. You are proof of that. You drank Kessler's today, yesterday, the day before yesterday and so on. See! For once you were right.:-())))))

Contango

Re: "History,"

Oops! He's slid off into stupid again. Ignore.

The Big Dog's back

LMAO! deer.

deertracker

I think the President has a pretty good record for killing terrorists. I have no clue what sham is talking about but if she can do better, go for it!

Donegan

He's got a pretty good record of doing exactly what the terrorist want too. We are now a paranoid police state with open borders that has disregarded the constitution and citizens rights.

deertracker

ELABORATE! You do know what means right?

Donegan

Yelling random words at people may be another symptom of liberalism, Seen it a lot lately. Maybe they will find a cure for you people yet.
In all seriousness i do know what that word means and it means something different than what you think it means. It does not mean spoon feed you facts, Do it yourself you worthless bum.

Contango

Re: "I think the President has a pretty good record for killing terrorists."

Wack-a-mole.

ISIS is more militant and much better financed than al-Qaeda.

deertracker

Your point?

Contango

Re: "Your,"

Not very bright are you? Probably the reason you kiss Pres. Obama's *ss daily.

deertracker

Your point??????????

Contango

Re: "Your point??????????"

Not very bright are you?

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thinkagain

An ancient land haunted by never-ending war, and the ignorant think that it should have become a model of democracy in short manner. Democracy in Iraq cannot be imposed by outside forces, but must be desired by the collective will of all ethnicities within. A nation must rule itself. Post conflict nation-building requires ongoing support. Hopefully this President will not squander this opportunity. Would you rather fight terrorism in Iraq or the streets of America?

SamAdams

Exactly.

True.

True.

It sure does!

Too late.

Obvious answer, but might be too late on this one as well...

The Big Dog's back

sam, you would agree with the resident wack job.

Contango

Re: "Would you rather fight terrorism in Iraq or the streets of America?"

Funny; a similar argument was used for U.S. military involvement in Vietnam.

deertracker

We've been fighting terrorism on American streets for decades. Look no further than Ferguson, Iraq. I mean Mo.

Contango

Re: "Ferguson, Iraq. I mean Mo (sic)."

Oops! He's slid off into stupid again. Ignore.

SamAdams

Sorry, Contango, but I'm going to have to give this point to Deertracker. The mobs that are assaulting, burning, looting, and demanding "justice" (as long as justice = destroying and jailing a cop, that is) are terrorists by almost any definition of the word!

The Big Dog's back

Yep, and the ones stealing Gov land and threatening police in Nevada.

Contango

Re: "terrorists by almost any definition of the word!"

Obviously the word "terrorist" is being overused to the point of inanity.

So why no street protests in the cold of winter?

SamAdams

"Terrorism" is a broad term, but is most neatly defined by the notion that those engaging in the tactic intend to inspire others to terror. I doubt many of us locally are barricading the doors and shivering in our basements with a baseball bat or a shotgun. But I'll ALSO bet that those close to the worst of it in Ferguson are terrified out of their minds!

Why no street protests in the cold of winter? Probably the same reason things were toned down in Ferguson last night while they had thunderstorms. These aren't the kind of terrorists we're used to in the Middle East who will sacrifice anything -- including their lives. No, these are terrorists of CONVENIENCE. Will they terrorize? Heck, yes, and they'll enjoy it, too! But they wouldn't do it at all if it weren't for the booty. As soon as the discomfort outweighs the value of whatever it is they're stealing or whatever pleasure they're taking in yelling, burning, and shooting, they're holed up in a nice, dry bedroom somewhere.

deertracker

Sam I would like you to research how many of the arrested are actually from Ferguson! Get back to me on that. The vast majority of protesters are peaceful but let's not mention that. It doesn't fit your whacked out ideology. The cop was/is the terrorists. Turn the channel and you will see cops threatening to kill protesters with guns drawn. Who's terrorized?

Contango

Re: "Turn the channel,"

Watching TV makes some experts. lol

SamAdams

I've not heard any specific numbers, but in GENERAL, the vast majority of the violent protesters are from outside of Ferguson (many apparently deliberately bused in).

I've watched very little of the wanton destruction on television. I've little interest in giving those criminals any of the attention they want. I DO know, however, that when violent people show up, commit a multitude of crimes, and throw Molotov cocktails, I'd find it hard to blame the police for arming up and fighting back!

The latest: I heard this afternoon that the police have been asked to leave the looters alone. In other words, even those still willing to protect and serve have now been prohibited from doing so.

The Big Dog's back

Throwing a little alex jones in there ehh sam.

KURTje

Ignore you pooh. You never served.

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It is quite telling when the libtwits and the godless, get their panties in such a bunch when they hear a Christian preach about the love of Christ, yet they are strangely quiet when the Islamic proclaims convert or DIE.

The Democrat platform of “let the children die” now includes more than just the murder of unborn children.

jazzb0

Spoken like a good Republican Catholic.