Video: Baden 'for good or bad'

Watch news conference: 'Why hasn't Officer Wilson been arrested?'
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Aug 19, 2014

Dr. Michael Baden during a news conference Monday said police and prosecutors will make a decision whether to charge anyone in the Aug. 9 killing of an unarmed black teen in Ferguson, Mo.

Watch Baden news conference

A woman asked Baden, who performed an autopsy on Sunday, about Michael Brown's injuries.

"I'm assuming he could have survived. Am I correct?" she asks.

"He could have survived. All of these gunshot wounds were survivable except for the one in the top of the head, that went through the brain," Baden replies.  

"That seems sad," she responds. "All of us here know what happened to Michael. Why hasn't Officer Wilson been arrested?" 

Baden replies, suggesting politics some times trumps science.

"Who gets arrested is a political, district attorney decision and not a forensic science decision, for good or for bad," he said. 

Read more: Gunned down in Ferguson, Mo.

Baden, a renowned pathologist who has worked with the New York state prison system as chief coroner for more than three decades, is often called in as a expert in high-profile cases.

Baden's determination that Sandusky County jail inmate Craig Burdine was the victim of a homicide at the jail in August 2007 was over-ruled in July by a grand jury hearing information from Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine's nearly year-long investigation launched six years after Burdine died. The grand jury did not return any criminal indictments. 

Burdine's family contends DeWine whitewashed evidence and helped cover up what happened to Craig Burdine at the jail. 

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Comments

jlsullivan50

He hasn't been arrested because there is no probable cause that he committed a crime. If he was acting in self defense, which some witnesses suggest, he is not guilty of a crime.

deertracker

What witness said he was acting in self defense?

KnuckleDragger

How appropriate they use a pic from PMSNBC. Funny how the register article completely leaves out one important statement by Baden that is reported in nearly every other article I have seen regarding Baden's autopsy. That the wounds were consistent with the officers story that Brown attacked him and had reached for his gun. Is this reporting news or trying to create news?

The Big Dog's back

Wow, you can tell that he was grabbing for a gun by an autopsy?

deertracker

Could you point me to that report that said his wounds were consistent with self defense or being attacked. The report I heard is that the wounds were either all frontal with the exception of two arm wounds that could have occurred while his back was turned. Also there were no powder burns on the body so the shots to the head were at least two feet away. The shot to the apex of his head with a downward trajectory was fatal. Logic time! The guy was 6'3" yet he was shot in the top of the head and it was the last shot fired. What does common sense and logic tell you? You are in the medical field. Enlighten us! You are the one trying to create news. Your focus was on MSNBC instead of what Dr. Baden was saying.

arnmcrmn

Common sense tells me the Brown refused to get on his knees AFTER he assaulted the officer in his car and when the officer went on foot to chase Brown and Brown stopped refusing to get on his knees (he was going to be arrested) he charged the officer and the officer fired and fired multiple times. Thats exactly what the autopsy report dictates as well but I see the SR forgot that part also.

The Big Dog's back

For you right wingers hating Law Enforcement until it comes to shooting a Black person, why are you willing to take LE's side?

arnmcrmn

off topic spin dog. Nice try though. Any more pointless rants?

deertracker

He has a point arn. This did not happen in Nevada where they pointed guns at the Feds.

deertracker

That's not common sense. You are assuming facts that have yet to be presented or determined. Try again! Where did the autopsy report say he charged the officer or refused to get on his knees?

Ctwhalers

What articles have you been reading? I heard there might be a video from someone showing that the officer is at fault. Yes ge did try and rob atore but witness accounts are not all the same. So who do you believe but videos show a different side of things. Cop blockbon facebook has been posting things you might find interesting and what is happening to the news reporters and the citizens from all of this.

Julian

The police have collected over a dozen witness statements that corroborated the officers story. That is being reported from a local news station in the Ferguson area.

deertracker

Link me to those reports!

The Big Dog's back

He can't link them because there aren't any.

deertracker

EXACTLY!

The Big Dog's back

That's not a link.

deertracker

Seriously Julian? LOL!

DirkDiggler

I don't know why you people either bother trying to debate with these racebaiters ! They only see or hear what they want to. I'm surprised you two have not contacted each other for a road trip to Ferguson to join in on the festivities !

deertracker

Shoo fly!

DirkDiggler

Baiter !

jlsullivan50

I'm afraid it wouldn't matter to you if you were linked, they would all be lieing, right? Any story other than the one you want to believe is wrong.

arnmcrmn

@ctwhalers. So if there was this video, don't you think the officer would have been arrested and this all put to rest by now. Bottom line, there is no such video.

Julian

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

That excerpt was taken from a New York Times article that the SR linked to the previous autopsy story.

This is kind of a big deal, get the facts straight SR and please stop promoting false information.....

ilkyp

Another example of someone purchasing a product and not quite getting the results they thought they would. This Brown character was shot because he thought with his size he could intimidate and over-power an officer. Imagine yourself sprinting.... legs moving, arms pumping and head pointed down. You would be getting shot in the "front" of your arms and the top portion of head. It would also explain the shot going through the eye area and down into the top of the chest.

Quick google image search of two words: Sprinting & Surrender.

Most people when they surrender don't put their hands up and head down. Human nature wants the initial eye contact between parties to plead sympathy. You are not surrendering to your savior, you're surrendering to your "aggressor". Face up and palms out. Not the case here.

http://img.breakingmuscle.com/si...

The Big Dog's back

So you were there?

ilkyp

I think it's going to come down to a "more than likely" scenario. Unless there's video, no one's word is going to convince anyone. A bit of rational thinking would conclude that it's "more likely" that based on the presented scenarios and the autopsy results that Mr. Brown was charging the officer. The abrasions on his face are conducive to that of someone hitting the ground while in forward motion. Being on your knees and essentially executed is "not as likely" to cause his type of scrapes.

The guy was charging the officer, he was shot in motion and fell forward to the ground. It doesn't take a forensics expert to see the chain of events as described by more than just his fellow thug's story.

deertracker

This was murder. Period. Maybe the guy panicked or whatever but there is no reason for shooting the guy in the top of his head unless you intend to kill him. Face up and palms out? Really? Your hands are up which equals palms out and you are obviously facing the cop. This was a bad shoot. It just was!

ilkyp

So sayeth deertracker, so shall it be.

ladydye_5

In Dog's words, "so you were there?"

deertracker

Are you guys dumb or stupid or both? Pay attention and stop making stuff up. Point to one thing I have written that cannot be verified! Just one! Please!

thinkagain

"This was murder"

ilkyp

-This was murder (Can't be verified)
-Maybe the guy panicked or whatever but there is no reason for shooting the guy in the top of his head unless you intend to kill him(Panic cannot be verified. But I'll give one thing to you, you don't shoot unless you intend to kill).
-Face up and palms out? Really? Your hands are up which equals palms out and you are obviously facing the cop(I can put my hands up and turn my palms any direction I want).
-This was a bad shoot( Actually, it was a good shoot. He ended the altercation with not further bodily harm to himself).

deertracker

It was murder and it has been proven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
What part of "maybe" do you not understand?
Can you put your face up , palms out and still get shot in the back? NO! That's why the shots were frontal.
It was a bad shoot because he shot him 6 times, once in the top of his head!

Try again!

ilkyp

I've always been told you can't argue with ignorance. Deertracker, you have bested me. Your unwillingness to take off your shades of oppression have beaten me. I shall fall back into the shadows.

I anticipate your silence when the dust settles and this cop is proven to have acted within his rights.

deertracker

You should fall back into the shadows because you are not worthy of light! See ya!

wasthere

I'll point to one deercrap. You said it was murder plain and simple. No one knows that yet. Wait until all the facts are in.

deertracker

You don't know nor do you know the definition of murder! Google it!

ilkyp

Murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Premeditate - think out or plan (an action, especially a crime) beforehand

Unlawful - not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules

So you're claiming you know, without any doubt, that this officer planned in advance to find this young man and end his life for no reason what-so-ever? You're a nutjob. I won't expect you to google that definition so I'll provide it for you.

Nutjob - a crazy or foolish person.

deertracker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

Try again! Premeditation can be formed mere seconds before the act.

ilkyp

You're line of thinking is for a person outside the realm of civic duty (ie military, police). In this case you would need to disprove the standard acceptance of "deadly force".

"Use of deadly force" is often granted to police officers when the person or persons in question are believed to be an immediate danger to people around them. The use of deadly force is authorized when a person poses a significant threat to a law enforcement officer, usually when the officer is at risk of serious bodily injury or death. (Note that it doesn't specify whether the aggressor is armed or otherwise)

Based on recent reports of broken bones in the officer's face, I would imagine if that man was charging at him, he would be in fear of his life. Thus making this a justifiable use of deadly force and NOT murder.

The Big Dog's back

Ohhhh, another gayeway pundit follower. How long was this cop hospitalized? Is he on a breathing machine?

knowitall

So can self defense. Why doesn't everyone on these blogs wait for all the information before speculating. This is mob mentality I am seeing on this blog. The human race is in trouble if this is how it will be run. Our system is flawed but it is better than elsewhere.

deertracker

There is absolutely NO proof that Brown tried to take the officer's weapon but some insist there is. Show us the proof. He was feet away from Brown when he killed him so explain that. All these reports about the officer's injuries can not be confirmed. NOT ONE REPORT! If the cop was so injured produce him with the injuries. Simple as that.

arnmcrmn

Justified in my books.

deertracker

We'll see!

jlsullivan50

Unfortunately, he probably would have been shot while robbing the store, shortly before attacking the police officer, if the store owner had a gun.

The Big Dog's back

arn, it was justified in your book as soon as you knew it was a Black person that was murdered.

DirkDiggler

Yep, racebaiting at it's finest. You musta been raised by the finest ! UAW member to boot ! Winning !

crazyrick

No probable cause that he committed a crime, who do you work for ?
This cop needed to be trained better, he shot this kid in the head twice.
That's pretty cut and dry !!!!

thinkagain

We get it. Blacks should never be held accountable, and are never guilty. Only reason our prisons are so full of blacks is because all the cops are racist! Lol...sigh.

arnmcrmn

It's always a black thing with these two yahoo's. When you can't make a valid point, throw out the race card.

DirkDiggler

It's the African American way...no personal accountability. It's much easier and convenient to blame someone else for their misfortune(s). Not all, there is a small minority out there that do have their act together and I thank them for that !

deertracker

Neither of you know squat!

DirkDiggler

Simple people, simple minds....easy to predict.

deertracker

You sure are!

Donegan

With all the BS going on in Mo. The 500 police, 200 cameramen, 100 actual protestors, 50 thugs imported to grab the headlines we can all forget about our horrible foreign policy, exploding debt and humanitarian crises at the border.The one good thing to come of this if we could get the race baiters to shut up for 5 seconds it this demonstrates how close we are to a police state.

deertracker

You people amaze me. Was it a police state in Nevada? This is about police brutality, then race!

Donegan

It is police brutality period. So the guy was black, So what, the cop should have used non-lethal for on a unarmed man. If you want to talk about the racial aspect you are forced to talk about the riots, Which ARE racially motivated.

deertracker

YOU want to talk about the racial aspect and the rioting. Not I.

Donegan

"This is about police brutality, then race!" You do realize you wrote that right?

deertracker

Your point?

Donegan

Just pointing out your hypocrisy as more of a public service announcement than anything else. That and to remind you that you may want to stop screaming racism when you are pushing the crap more than anyone else.

Julie R.

I don't think Brown was shot because he was black. I think the cop (who looks like a kid himself) overreacted to the struggle over his gun and panicked, fearing for his own life.

On the other hand, I totally agree with the article in today's paper by a Leonard Pitts from the Miami Herald when he said "that too few people notice, much less care, about the injustices served on African-American men." I noticed a long time ago how black men seem to get a lot harsher prison sentences than whites for identical crimes. Why is that?

deertracker

I still don't believe he reacted to his gun being reached for because he was too far away when he killed the guy.

Blacks get more prison time because they are Black!

The Big Dog's back

Exactly deer. How could the struggle be over the gun when the cop shot 6 bullets in him with no powder burn marks on Brown. These right wingers need to put their racial hatred aside and look at the facts.

wasthere

And it would be a help if the leftwingnuts would stop stealing, burning and looting. If blacks can't afford a good lawyer, maybe they shouldn't be up all night doing these things and getting up in the morning and looking for work. I know, I know, that sounds racist to you. Oh well.

deertracker

Another idiotic comment from an idiot.

Donegan

"deertracker
Tue, 08/19/2014 - 1:09pm

YOU want to talk about the racial aspect and the rioting. Not I."
You sure seem to want to talk about Race a lot for someone who doesn't want to talk about race.

deertracker

I guess I can't even mention the word, right?

Donegan

By all means say it as much as you want. I was documenting your hypocrisy for others to see. Your a race baiter that is compounded by being a hypocrite, Embrace it.
It reminds me of something someone once said about Al Sharpton "Here he comes not knowing what idiocy will fly out of his mouth until he pulls his foot out of it first"

knowitall

Ya think so? Let's divvy out jail time evenly based on race! Good idea. OJ got off because he was black.
Y'all should quit speculating, right Big Dog. It brings out the worst in everyone.

The Big Dog's back

Why is that Julie? Because whites have better lawyers than the ones provided to those that cannot afford one.

Julie R.

It's not the lawyers that are meting out the unfair harsher sentences to black men (and also black women) in comparison to whites for identical crimes --- it's the judges.

As an afterthought, I don't know if this is true, but I heard through the grapevine the other day that for every person (and we all know that it's usually a black man) that Erie County sends to federal prison, the county gets a kickback of $27,000.00 for each one.

deertracker

I heard this too. Prison is a business!

jlsullivan50

Erie County doesn't send anyone to Federal prison. That's done by Federal Courts.

Julie R.

So what's this kickback of $27,000.00 I keep hearing Erie County is getting and if it's true, where does that money go?

Babo

It's probably DOJ funding based on the number of people sent to a state prison to support the criminal justice system in a county. I've heard this too but have not been able to document it. Such funding if it exists would encourage incarcerating people which may explain why there has been a 500% increase in the prison population since the 1980's even though Ohio's population has remain stagnant while the violent crime rate has plummeted. The funds created the Prison Industry complex composed of government workers and contractors which is a very powerful lobby and wants to perpetuate itself at the expense of the taxpayers.

Julian

I like how you used the word overreacted. I would have loved to see see how you would have reacted to a big guy like that beating and trying to kill you, with no help. Everyone is an expert it seems.

deertracker

Where do you guys get this stuff?

The Big Dog's back

How long was the cop hospitalized after that beating he took? Must still be in a coma, just like the right wingnuts on here.

jlsullivan50

If there was a struggle for his gun, shooting him was not an overreaction

Julie R.

A more seasoned cop probably never would have reacted (hopefully, anyway) like this young cop did. I think they should mandate it in every State that young cops must ride with a more seasoned officer for at least a year, if not longer, before going out on their own. I said the same thing about Andy Dunn.

deertracker

Agreed! Dunn would be alive if he followed procedure.

DirkDiggler

Wrong....Randelman would be dead and not Ofc. Dunn.

deertracker

Either way he did not follow SOP!

DirkDiggler

You wouldn't know SOP if it smacked you in the forehead you dolt !

jlsullivan50

If he felt his life was in danger he would have.

DirkDiggler

Does not surprise me that the Queen of lunacy, paranoia and conspiracy has jumped on board the train with Deercracker and FleaBack to make it a triumvirate of DUH !

Julie R.

Triumvirate ..... as in a group of three (3) men holding power?

How ignorant. Go crawl back into your hole.

DirkDiggler

Hahaha ! Is that all you have for me today ? C'mon you're better than that and I expect more out of you ! The mental image of all three of you standing on the mountain top sporting your tin foil hats amuses me ! FYI - A triumvirate can be made up of any 3 individuals...now now Julie let's not be sexist :D

deertracker

Ignore the clown!

DirkDiggler

The only hole here is the one between your nose and chin. Hopefully someone comes along someday and fills it with knuckles !

deertracker

We all know what your mouth is filled with Dirk!

DirkDiggler

The truth ! What is your's filled with besides a slanderous racist tongue ? Big Dog's red rocket ?

The Big Dog's back

Don't write a check that your arse can't cash dd.

DirkDiggler

Signed and sealed ! Where should I cash it ?

knowitall

Finally, y'all quit speculating and are back to more civil actions......like name calling. Some of the stuff I read is pretty funny. These blogs are entertaining. I do chime in myself.

arnmcrmn

Cops gonna walk and rightfully so.
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.

“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”

According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said..

“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6 foot, 4 inch, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

Just another punk with a complex that nobody is telling him what to do.

Moral of the story, don't punch a cop in the face, nearly killing him and then when told to get on the ground, charge the cop. Cop will win every stinking single time and rightfully so.

The Big Dog's back

Hey moron, your story by police reporter christine byers has already been recanted. So you and your hero the gayeway pundit can move on to something else.

knowitall

Arn...your response is longer than the article. If ya want to write a book get a publicist.