Survey says: Sandusky withstands, thrives in tough times

Cedar Point, other industry helped Sandusky weather economic downslide
Andy Ouriel
Jul 31, 2014

 

ouriel@sanduskyregister.com

Sandusky is known for steep drops, evident by almost 20 Cedar Point roller coasters zipping up and plummeting from their peaks at different elevations and angles.

Along with other diverse industry and tourism offerings, the amusement park also helped this region's economy climb to unprecedented heights.

So says a recent study from Area Development, ranking Sandusky and the greater area No. 16 among all U.S. small cities for the region’s ability to combat and conquer an economic downswing.

Tailored for businesses and companies, the magazine pinpoints ideal money-making sites and favorable fiscal climates for those seeking to move or relocate.

The study accounted for several factors in a particular area, including unemployment rates; wage and salary growth; and percentage of those earning at least a bachelor’s degree.

“This shows that the Sandusky area was able to withstand and come out of a very difficult economic time in a strong way,” Sandusky city manager Eric Wobser said. “I believe that is because our economy is diverse from the perspective that we have a robust tourism industry, a manufacturing industry that is still strong and strong regional employers, such as Firelands Regional Medical Center.”

 

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Wjones44

Our city is a dump.

sugar

Then CAPITALIZE on those strengths to bring revenue into the city and quit going back to the productive few and taxing them into poverty, MR. WOBSER.

Comrade Boose

Sugar I think the people should TRUST the solution of a man who helped REBUILD Ohio City instead of someone like you that has NO credibility to back their statements.
So lets help Mr. Wobser rebuild Sandusky.

1. Take care of our homes
2. Clean up after ourselves when using the parks
3. Vote Yes this November on raising the income tax .25% with matching funds from the admissions tax
4. Hold commissioners accountable
5. Eat locally
6. Shop locally

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sugar

Comrade, can you comment on the topic without degrading a fellow citizen?
The City Manager serves at the will and in the confines of the city commission, therefore trust and /or his past glories have nothing to do with my confidence in his abilities.
As a past recipient of the PRIDE award, I personally do not need a primer in aesthetics.
DCfred can vouch for my credibility. Lol
CAPITALIZE on the city's assists Mr. Wobser bring about prosperity, a rising tide floats all boats. Raising taxes on the middle class is not the answer, especially when the city can afford to give raises to the unionized city employees. Not for 1 year but 3? If you're as talented as so
E believe you are let's see it in action, raising taxes is the easy lazy and way out.

Sugarr

So just so everyone gets this straight it's alright for you to degrade union workers, city workers and teachers who by the way are also citizens of Sandusky, but if Comrade says something about your credibility to rebuild a city that's wrong?
No where did I read about your credibility about winning the PRIDE award congrats and keep up the good work.
Another the thing the past accomplishments of Mr. Wobser has A LOT to do with him being able to bring this city around.
Everyone likes a winner that's why I hope everyone bets on his plan and proven track record to get the job done!

sugar

Please give me a quote where I degraded union workers, city workers and teachers? I believe their pay and benefits are unsustainable and should be cut, that is not degradation.
But I do think you and your buddy (ahem) Comrade are a bit weird, almost freakishly so.
I hope he, Wobser, is successful, he just does not need any more tax money to be so.
VOTE NO!

bnjjad

"That's a big problem with you hot dogs you think you're special, above everyone else. Pay for your own physical." - In reference to the article on finding a solution for Station 7.

bnjjad

"don't bother to call the police they are ride (rude?) and don't show up for hours."

"incestuous relationship of public sector unions and liberal politicians."

"Get real bozo." & "Utterly foolish post, you're trying too hard. Be gone..." - In response to a commenter named Thomas Paine

"DRAMA and HYSTERIA the libs are famous for"

"Drop dead."

"Too bad the corrupt pols and unions have a stranglehold on things and the sheeple are to preoccupied trying to live to see the corruption."

"It's amazing what the bottom of the barrel will do to hang onto their precious goodies."

"No more money for Meigs St Morons" - One of my Favorites

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

sugar

You are hot dogs and you are rude. That's not degrading that's truth. I'm Not attacking you for having a differing opine, I'm telling you how I perceive you. There have been many studies proving those assertions, they're not just mine.
And you are responsible for how you're perceived.
Not to say I don't appreciate your contributions to a civil society though.

bnjjad

I think you have me confused with someone else. I am not a Firefighter and that has been made clear by other comments that I have made.

Not to mention that Commrades comments could be seen as his opinion of you.

sugar

I have always commented to the subject of the thread, and have been attacked for disagreeing with a few of you.
If none of you are city workers, teachers or such why so butt hurt?
It's not personal. Comrade is angry, he and a few of you followe around. I'm not that important.
If you are police or fire I'm amazed at the behavior..... Nah take that back.

bnjjad

"why so butt hurt?" - Maybe because we want to see this city succeed? Besides I am not butt hurt about this, and why do you think City workers and teachers are the only ones who should be butt hurt? You are not only attacking them, who work to give you services, but all of the citizens of the city that rely on them to provide their services. - I personally think you are the one who is butt hurt, always having to have the last word and comment 24/7.

"followe around." - Kinda hard NOT to follow around when you comment on EVERY article about 100 times.

BTW, please explain to me how "Meigs St Morons" is not a degrading attack on city workers. You were SO quick to say you didn't do that, yet there it is.

sugar

You're hysterical, and you're having a melt down because I don't think the " services" I get are worth a penny more than what I am paying now. If you think that's attacking you're not a clear thinker.
I will comment as many times as I see fit, you do not have to read them, you do not have to address me, you are not comment moderator.
I actually was being facetious when I asked Comrade to quote me. But the idiots who comment here cannot discern that.

bnjjad

Having a melt down? Not likely, in fact I am getting quite a bit of enjoyment out of the fact that you HAVE to keep commenting and get that last word. I may be a bit of a Troll right now in fact. Besides, you are the one having the melt down, This is what? The 2nd week of your rant?

"I don't think the " services" I get are worth a penny more than what I am paying now." - You said it yourself, you don't think they are a penny more than what you are paying now, yet you complain that your wage is at 1989 levels. Thus that means that the services should be at 1989 levels. No E911 services needed, No Online court records, no online tax records, etc, etc.

"idiots who comment here" - great way to make a point by calling people names, that really makes you seem like a stand up citizen that is worried about your city.

As for being "facetious" on examples, why call out the "degrading" of yourself in the first place?

Julie R.

I thought sugar's "Meigs St Morons" was hilarious!

sugar

The relationship between public sector unions and liberal politicians is incestuous. You honestly did not know that? That is shocking!
The comment to TP doesn't fit the context.

bnjjad

Sure it does, you degrade just as much as anyone on here.

bnjjad

The relationship between big business executives* and conservative politicians is incestuous. You honestly did not know that? That is shocking!

*Particularly big banks

sugar

Oh a liberal too, you really think Republicans have a wrap on big business? Have you heard of Solyndra, Bill Hates, Warren Buffett? Perhaps GE? You do know that Wall St gaveore to the odumbo campaign than any Tepublican campaign? No you don't because your ignorant, gullible and foolish. You don't even know the difference between Conservative and Republican.

bnjjad

eh, I lump ALL politicans together. I am NOT a liberal (past comments will also prove that). I am a person who votes for the betterment of this country.

Wall ST also paid Republican Congress members to overturn Bank Regulations that were put in place to prevent another melt down.

"ignorant, gullible and foolish" - You don't know me, but thanks for the description, I might put that on my car.

sugar

Lol as if you have a handle on what is betterment and what is good for the country. Aside fr being all the above you're either a liar or totally delusional.

bnjjad

and you do? you would rather bankrupt the city then support it to let it grow.

My opinion and vote goes for what I think is good for the country, What you think is good for the country is completely different and that is fine. You are the one who wont shut up when someone comments against you. This comment is a PRIME example

Always have to have the last word.

Besides, you have no idea what I have voted for, you don't even know what I do for a living. What if I told you I voted for Romney?, Hell I will do you one even better, I was against the GM bailout

sugar

And I really don't care what you think or how you vote. I will continue to say no to all new taxes. VOTE NO. They have enough money between CF and income taxes.

Comrade Boose

CF did their part to rebuild the city now it is ours. I am voting Yes!

bnjjad

ME 2.

Like I said before, you Diversify your investments, you should diversify your incomes. Not one Company (and the city is a company in this instance) has ever been able to survive by making only 1 product. Do not expect 1 source of income to pay the bills forever.

bnjjad

BTW, "where in any of my comments have I led anyone to believe that I have extraordinary credibility" - You at least admit that you don't have a handle on the betterment or good of the country either.

Sugarr

Sugar dial 911 you may be having a stroke the above sentence does not make sense "Bill Hates" never heard of him. "Wall ST gaveore", "than any Tepublican campaign " they will help you get to the ER even though you don't think they should be earning a fair wage.

sugar

I'm typing on a phone. Is that all you've got? I full well expected this kind of attack from a few of you. That's how you operate, with intimidation.
You don't care about the city, you care about your wallet, your bloated pension and your retirement , at 50 mind you on the backs of people who will work to support you.
Well you're losing influence, I have the guts to call you out and I will continue to, there are any like me who feel the same wY but are afraid to speak out. I'm not keep it up.

bnjjad

"That's how you operate, with intimidation." - Because you don't use that tactic at all. *rolls eyes*

bnjjad

Stroke from anger maybe?

sugar

Lol you're angry because I am speaking out! Now you two continue on with your attacks, see you on the next thread where I will speak myind again and again.

CommonsenseNow

to SUGARR not Sugar: SUGARR - the pathetic person who has a username for the sole purpose of going after another user, Sugar - You're pathetic. I don't come to someone's aid too often on these blogs because we're all adults here and can fend for ourselves. But it needs to be said. YOU'RE PATHETIC AND PETTY. PETTY-MINDED PATHETIC. PERIOD.

CommonsenseNow

to SUGARR not Sugar: SUGARR - the pathetic person who has a username for the sole purpose of going after another user, Sugar - You're pathetic. I don't come to someone's aid too often on these blogs because we're all adults here and can fend for ourselves. But it needs to be said. YOU'RE PATHETIC AND PETTY. PETTY-MINDED PATHETIC. PERIOD.

bnjjad

"Wobser is just another big gov lackey" IN response to an article about the City Commission support of tax hikes

sugar

That's degrading? I hope you don't go to any political groups on FB for debate, you'll leave in tears.

bnjjad

I personally don't think it is, but some might see it that way.

Comrade Boose

Bnjjad,
Thanks for doing the research on past comments that sugar has made once again discrediting him.
Really surprise he has not gone after the veterans yet.
Funny thing about him he can make a comment after somebody's post but god forbid anyone do the same.

Sugarr

Sugar maybe you ought to say this to everyone from now on "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee."

sugar

Public sector unions operate on greed and intimidation, they threaten those they say they serve. Quoting prayer is beyond insane.

Sugarr

Actually I was quoting Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson) from Pulp Fiction you A$$ Clown and what does that have to do with public sector unions now that is beyond insane.

bnjjad

but, i thought Pulp Fiction was religion!

sugar

I don't watch movies, least of a Tarantino. If you think watching movies is some sort of sign of sophistication, you are delusional.

bnjjad

The fact that you took that as a serious comment shows exactly how HARD it is to make inflection on a written word. So don't get too "butt hurt" over it.

You should watch movies, help out the economy. We already know that your book selection is less than desired.

"If you think watching movies is some sort of sign of sophistication, you are delusional." - and I don't believe that in any way, not sure where you pulled that idea from.

BTW, I am on vacation tomorrow, I have all the time in the world to make sure you don't have any more "last word" comments on this article.

sugar

So you'll spend you're vacation attempting to make me look bad? PATHETIC.

bnjjad

Not at all. I just have no plans, and this is better entertainment than I can get anywhere else at 10:30 at night on a Thursday. I haven't laughed this much since the last time you went on one of these rants last week sometime.

Sugarr

"Lighten up, Francis. We're all in this together. One of these men may save your life one of these days, you understand that?"

bnjjad

Quoting prayer again? LOL.

CommonsenseNow

To Sugarr - the grammar and spelling gestapo who is so PETTY they create a user name to go after another blogger - do you really want me to point out how PATHETIC your grammar in all your posts?

bnjjad

You bring up that wages are at 1989 levels*? Is this because your employer, which you are most likely a "at will" employee of, has not given you any raises? Can they not afford raises because they are charging 1989 prices? Did your employer cut your wage, even though your job has remained the same or increased?

*Yes, I know all about inflation and the value of a dollar, I am just curious as to why you are SO against respectable wages and raises? I feel like it is a personal vendetta with you because you don't get to experience them.

Comrade Boose

Sugar, why not take the test to become a cop or fireman? If you are stuck in 1989 wages join the military go back to school. Instead of taking it out on unions spend your time taking online courses to better your marketability in the job market and get out of those 1989 wages. Don't let your anger and hatred of others control your life.

Comrade Boose

Sugar, why not take the test to become a cop or fireman? If you are stuck in 1989 wages join the military go back to school. Instead of taking it out on unions spend your time taking online courses to better your marketability in the job market and get out of those 1989 wages. Don't let your anger and hatred of others control your life.

Sugarr

Sugar, repeat after me “I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me."

CommonsenseNow

SUGARR - You're PATHETIC. Let me say it 20 more times. YOU'RE PATHETIC. YOU'RE PATHETIC. YOU'RE PATHETIC. You're a loser, a bully, and a fraud, a real scam, a real hero - picking a user name to go after another user. Get a life you pathetic, pathological, petty-minded pathetic.

sugar

All of the country is in a recession that's the buying power of our dollar. It an actual wage. Are you that ignorant. Do you understand the dollar and value?
Unions are fine between a private company and it's employees. The company can choose to agree with the terms, shut their doors or fire everyone.
Public sector unions are hurting the people they scream they serve. There is no way to not pay taxes, well there is and it's done. But on the whole most people just pay up.
Greed is what motivates most unionized. I see it here. Mgreed and the need to demonize, intimidate and shut down dissent.
I won't shut up I will continue to point out the greed and anger of public sector unionized brown shirts. Keep posting you don't bother me at all.

bnjjad

First off, did you even read my comment? I do understand them, I said so in the comment.

"That is the buying power of our dollar" - Yes it is, however many companies (while not so much during the recession) have been able to somewhat keep up with things and offer raises to employees (while not always up to the correct values though).

You are so adamant that the City Employees and Teachers and who else are on your list are paid to much, yet they are making wages that are respectable for their field of work. You want to cut their wages, but you have also cut so many other positions and services that their job descriptions are now much larger and they are doing things that were originally out of their initial scope. They should be paid for their responsibilities. Just because they work for the City, doesn't mean that they are worth less than you.

Keep posting, I needed some laughs today.

sugar

Their wages are being cut, they are losing their pensions, all over the country cities are filing bankruptcy. Who do you think loses?
It's a matter of time for you all. Not only is this country have a debt issue it has trillions in deficits, deficits caused by pensions and owed entitlements to gov workers on all levels. How long do you think we will keep handing over money to the corrupt goverent a and corrupt unions? Look north to Detroit, and weep.

bnjjad

Remember though, You cut wages and jobs, you are losing more of your tax base, which then circles back around and reduces your budget. Circle of Hell is what it is. Good luck with that.

Sugarr

And exactly what do you do for a living Sugar or donutshop guy whatever you are calling yourself these days?

sugar

I don't own a donut shop, and I do to share personal information on blogs.

CommonsenseNow

Get a real name.

sugar

It's not MY wages personally, it's the buying power of our dollar v inflation. I think some Econ 101 online for you may be helpful. SMH

bnjjad

I think some reading classes online may be helpful for you. I have said multiple times that I understand it. and you FINALLY answered it, limited answer, but at least an answer.

sugar

You obviously don't. Or your making feeble attempts to try to demean me. You have not one clue who I am, what's education is what I earn but yet have attacked me on all those levels. It's really quote humorous.

bnjjad

"You have not one clue who I am, what's education is what I earn but yet have attacked me on all those levels" - because you didn't do the same before to myself and others on this site?

Sugarr

Ok I'll play
What is your educational level?
What is your Job? (I still think you are the Liberty Tax guy)
What do you earn?
We all want to know don't be embarrassed .

sugar

Yawn.

CommonsenseNow

SUGARR -

1) Two Masters Degrees, both above a 3.8.
2) None of your business
3) A lot more than you

How about you, you pathetic imposter? What do you do all day besides target and harass a person with whom you disagree? And as I've said, get a real screen name.

knowitall

Vote yes.

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ComonsenseNow

to Sugar not SUGARR: Sugar - the pathetic person who has a username for the sole purpose of going after another user, Sugar - You're pathetic. I don't come to someone's aid too often on these blogs because we're all adults here and can fend for ourselves. But it needs to be said. YOU'RE PATHETIC AND PETTY. PETTY-MINDED PATHETIC. PERIOD.

sugar

My PRIDE award addressed the comment about aesthetics. No where in any of my comments have I led anyone to believe that I have extraordinary credibility. I'm just a working stiff who does not want my taxes raised. TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY.
Oh and not all city workers, teachers are sandusky citizens.

CommonsenseNow

SUGARR - Quit hounding Sugar. And get a real user name, you pathetic imposter. At least others on here are men enough to not get a username for the sole purpose of hounding one blogger. You make me sick, you bully. I have seen a lot of name calling and madness of these blogs, so what. But you are the first pathetic low-life I've seen who consistently hounds one person with a screenname based on theirs. YOU ARE A PATHETIC LOSER and BULLY.

sugar

That's how they attempt to shut you up! Could you imagine if these two knew who I am? They would harass my children, dig into my personal life, slash my tires..... Creeps.

CommonsenseNow

These are worst than creeps. They have serious, and I mean, serious mental issues of the kind I've not seen on this blog. Deertracker, bigdog, even jazzbo (who i always ignore) are not like this one. They call names and all, but it ends there. This one, SUGARR and COMONSENSENOW is a virus, who goes out of his way to target very specific people by replicating their screennames. Someone who specifically targets someone else in this matter, has serious mental issues.

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ComonsenseNow

SUGARR - You are an awesome person who has a username for the sole purpose of telling the truth. Sugar - You're pathetic. “I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis,” and “Stay thirsty, my friends.”. YOU'RE THE BEST. PERIOD.

CommonsenseNow

Hey, look, it's the imposter Sugarr - he's reinvented his parasitic self - he's having a conversation with himself, but instead of being the Thespian hunter renown for his beauty but no so much for his modesty (he drowned staring at himself in the pond) ... this one more resembles Gollum who's been by himself for too long in the dark. You're a mindless bot. No sport in going after complete losers like you. You don't intimidate me, you complete hack.

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ComonsenseNow

Sugar - Quit hounding SUGGAR. And get a real user name, you pathetic imposter. At least others on here are men enough to not get a username for the sole purpose of hounding one blogger. You make me sick, you bully. I have seen a lot of name calling and madness of these blogs, so what. But you are the first pathetic low-life I've seen who consistently hounds one person with a screenname based on theirs. YOU ARE A PATHETIC LOSER and BULLY.

CommonsenseNow

SUGARR AKA COMONSENSENOW - Thank you for revealing who and what you are - a virus. They counterfeit the original. But that is what you are. A virus. Get a life, you loser. hahahahahahaha

sugar

Bizarre!

CommonsenseNow

Just a reminder of why you need to shred your papers. Identity theft and all. Whatever. Keep posting, Sugar! I enjoy different perspectives. It makes life interesting.

bnjjad

Diversify the income of the city.

Dcfred20036

Cedar Point and water parks will not sustain a thriving middle class. The city needs to leverage its closeness to both Cleveland and Toledo and attract small companies that pay real wages. There are many foreign companies that are looking to have a presence in the US without the cost of expensive urban areas. Sandusky is perfect, only one hour from Cleveland Hopkins. City leaders need to think big!

Comrade Boose

Dcfred20036,
Great Idea

bnjjad

This needs to be done!

holysee

Meijers alone provides far more full time jobs than cedar point.
Cedar point hires half foreign workers and utilizes ultra cheap volunteers in the fall season to maximize profit. This is really great for the shareholders, who live all over the world.
Sheik Yerbouti

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The Hero Zone

Holysee, unless anything has changed since the last time I volunteered, the pay these volunteers would otherwise have collected go to the charity which they represent. Cedar Point isn't getting free labor from them. Everyone wins, not just Cedar Point.

LivinOnTheLake

Interesting that there is an article on the economic vitality of Sandusky and the surrounding area (the rest of Erie County in all likelihood) and no mention or quote from the Erie County Economic Development Corporation's Executive Director. The city of Sandusky commits city tax dollars to this agency and what are they doing? What are their contributions to the local economy? Are they bringing in new jobs? Would love to see a story about this in the paper or someone in the know might be able to answer it.

Darkhorse

Mr. Wobser needs to bring jobs into the area and that is the only thing that is going to save Sandusky. Wobser cannot perform miracles. Sandusky is too far gone. It will take years to bring it back up, if that is possible. If we don't bring jobs into the area, we are doomed.

lunchtime 175

I think Sandusky is a great place. People should not be quick to put it down, especially people that live there. They are fortunate enough to have a giant amusement park there that employs thousands of people there every summer and draws in people from all over the world bringing business to the park plus all the businesses in Sandusky that thrive on the tourism during the summer and the rest of the year with the indoor water parks, etc. etc. Sandusky is a great city. Without the amusement park and the indoor water parks plus all the shopping places then Sandusky would be just like any other small town in Ohio. Cedar Point has been in Sandusky since 1870 so they must be doing something right and they must like staying in Sandusky all those years and into the future.

sugar

Than our failure to thrive is directly attributed to?

knowitall

Loss of good paying jobs. It's the economy.........

mikeylikesit

im feeling the love in here!

LivinOnTheLake

Ironic? Another article in the paper about the "local economy" and NO mention of the top economic development agency, Erie County Economic Development Corporation or a comment from the Director. Does anybody know if this agency is doing "anything"? Sandusky is a major funder of this agency yet there has been no local press on this group's accomplishments in bringing new jobs to the area. Why doesn't the Register do a story on this agency and what it is doing to improve the local economy? Like that will ever happen.

sugar

I went to this Erie County Economic Development Co web page, lots of use ful interesting info. but does it DO anything? Probably not. Looks like a load of Sh**, it's purpose is to grow jobs and spearhead economic development..... Acronym RISE; Regional Incubator for Sustainibility and Entrepreneurship. RED FLAG there! Lots of acronyms and academic garbage.
Interesting concept but is it worth it? Talks about all the great things Kasich has done for the business community, loads of info.

Sugarr

Vote yes

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ComonsenseNow

Enough get a life SUGARR!! Sugar is right no more of our money should go to veterans, the elderly or the poor! No more programs,no more hand outs they should have planned better for the future!

VOTE NO!!

CommonsenseNow

I am kinda flattered you think so much of me that you counterfeit me. Wow. Hahahahaha

sugar

Because unionized city workers are the elderly, vets or the poor? Laughable. The greed of public sector unions take money from the payroll of the working poor, veterans and the elderly. No more taxes to support greedy unions.

unionman

Can you please do some research before you comment a lot of us are veterans on the department. As for the greed part not sure where you get your facts at we are on pace to run 6,000 calls a lot more then in the late 90's with 10 less peiple. The city manager laid out where the money is going to go and from what I read the majority was to rebuild roads.

Fine you want to vote NO but i do not see any reason for you to constantly blast the city workers as greedy.
We didn't ask for a tax increase we come to work everyday and do a job that gets more dwmanding with less and less people and we do the best possible job we can.

Contango

Re: “This shows that the Sandusky area was able to withstand and come out of a very difficult economic time in a strong way,”

The area has been in a decades long socio-economic decline since the 1970s, so subsequent national economic downturns have had little-to-no effect and are therefore little noticed.

Rosa

I love our city, however, we do need GOOD jobs to bring all our talented youth back. I would not qualify Cedar Point as good jobs....(good for high school and college kids) However it is an asset to the community. But, the admissions tax should be at least 7% and that should be given to the city to promote growth. Look how much parking costs and food and beverages.... Everyone knows when you go on vacation to amusement parks you are going to get taxed for everything. You expect it and it sure is not going to stop anyone from coming here. C'mon Cedar Point, do the right thing!!

Contango

Re: "the admissions tax should be at least 7% and that should be given to the city to promote growth."

Govt. is LOUSY at picking business winners and losers. They're as ignorant as anyone else.

They just try to act & sound like they know what they're doing - they don't!

Lowering taxes for ALL local businesses and individuals will help reduce the costs of products and services for both.

Lower costs give businesses and individuals MORE money to spend.

Increasing the admission tax will reduce the amt. of spendable income.

Economic growth is achieved by increasing productivity.

Level the taxation playing field and let the free mkt. play out.

sugar

I hope the city of Sandusky witnesses the attack and exchange between myself and two probable unionized city workers.
Do they care about the people who support their wages? The community?
I think not, see what they think of you when you won't shut up and pay out?
Do any of them deserve your increased support? Thousands of paychecks will affected for a handful of ungrateful city employees.
The county commissioners just raised taxes, all on their own, mental health wants more money, Sandusky city schools want more, Perkins Township wants more. Less for you more for them.
Do you make their wage? Retire in your 50's? Get health care benefits for life? Wake up taxpayers! VOTE NO! ENOUGH!

Contango

Re: "unionized city workers."

The servants have become the masters.

Those municipal and state current and potential health & welfare funding liabilities (Detroit, Stockton, CA, IL, NJ, et. al.) will eventually come close to home.

There are far more retirees than there are current employees. Who's paying for all of the largess?

Know this: The public sector's retirement benefits along with cost of living benefit increases (COLA) are constitutionally GUARANTEED by taxpayers.

(Too bad that the private sector's health & welfare benefits don't receive similar consideration.)

The unions and their political cronies slipped that lil' gem in yrs. ago while the taxpayers weren't looking.

unionman

Re: why don't you quit your crying you teabagger and go on the SERB website and do some research and you would realize that our fire and police are not overpaid comparable to departments the size of the city of Sandusky.

Not sure if the two you are talking about work for the city or if they are retired or if they are teachers or they are union memebers seeing you have attacked every one of these groups. Who ever they are thank you.

We are just trying to do the best job we can with what the city has given us. We have been cut to barely safe level yet we come in everyday and do our job because we are proud union firefighters and yes we will stand up to a bully like you that spins this and make us look greedy and selfish. We care about the citizens we run more calls then most department in the area combined and receive a fair wage for a fair job.
Until you walk a day in my boots don't comment on me.

pntbutterandjelly

One can only imagine what Sandusky, Erie County and the surrounding areas would be like if not for Cedar Point. (I'm just saying it would be a far, far more depressed than what we are seeing today.) By the same token...everyone should do their best to attract more business ventures to this area in order to capitalize upon the momentum. But we may have already reached our saturation point within the tourism industry and need to look beyond it for additional economic growth. That will not be an easy task as America's economic engine, industry, is shrinking due to all the various factors of globalization. Service jobs do not pay nearly as much as our former industrial jobs and offers little in the way of benefits. So...how to bridge the gap, if possible, becomes the question. If it can't be bridged...our national economy as well as this region's will only continue to decline. Then you can thank both isles of our political system who had their hands involved in the great off-shoring and ripple affects of it.

Contango

Re: "industry, is shrinking,"

Since the 1950s, mfging as a percentage of U.S. GDP has changed very little.

Improved technology is the key.

Many mfg. cos. are "re-shoring" due to rising foreign labor and transportation costs.

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ComonsenseNow

VOTE NO!!
We already have roads I own a jeep
I own a smoke alarm and a garden hose no need for the fire department
I pay enough to the welfare recipients TIME TO GET A JOB!!!
Rock on Sugar

sugar

It will take more than internet blog bullies to shut me up because I am fed up!

CommonsenseNow

Hey parasite - get a job you virus. It's obvious you're a counterfeit because you can't even spell common right. I bet you weigh about 300 pounds, have mold in your bellybutton, and stink with body order. I've met a few completely delusional people in my life. You've got the feel for one.

knowitall

"Common right" is not proper English.

CommonsenseNow

Do you really want to have a grammar match?!? Lol. My pick isn't with you know it all. Okay, how about when the loser counterfeits the usernames of people he doesn't like, he spells his new username incorrectly?!? You're right; spell is a verb and needs to be modified by an adverb. Notice that I just used a semicolon in the previous sentence, because we have two sentences not joined together by a conjunction (of course a comma would come before the conjuction if we had two independent clauses). I could have used a colon, however, because the next sentence expands the idea of the formet sentence. Are you happy now!!? Feel better?!? Hahahaha. I spelled something incorrectly in this response so you have something else to point out in your thoughtful response.

Sugarr

Stay on topic and what do you have against veterans and the elderly your as bad as Sugar.

CommonsenseNow

You know what, Sugarr, I feel sorry for you. I really do. Use your counterfeit names all you want. Maybe one day you'll come up with something original. When you do, I will be happy to have a conversation. Ciao.

knowitall

Good work. Lol

Sugarr

CommonsenseNow aka.. Sugar low blow picking on 300 pound people that can't defend themselves. I hope the wonderful people of sandusky are seeing you for the bully you are.

CommonsenseNow

Hahahhahahahàha. I think you actually might be a kid.

knowitall

Your comments do not sound like common sense.

CommonsenseNow

Well at least you don't counterfeit other people's screen names. You're entitled to your opinion. After all, you know it all.

knowitall

Not really. Just had to pick a name that would cause some comments. A little humor on my part. Lastly, opinions are like.........., everyone has one. Peace.

sugar

Attempting to correlate not giving into public sector union greed with not supporting the elderly and veterans is despicable.
Nothing is too underhanded or low to a union Brownshirt. Go beat you wife, you'll feel better.

unionman

Re: Can you please do some research before you comment a lot of us are veterans on the department. As for the greed part not sure where you get your facts at we are on pace to run 6,000 calls a lot more then in the late 90's with 10 less peiple. The city manager laid out where the money is going to go and from what I read the majority was to rebuild roads.

Fine you want to vote NO but i do not see any reason for you to constantly blast the city workers as greedy.
We didn't ask for a tax increase we come to work everyday and do a job that gets more dwmanding with less and less people and we do the best possible job we can.

sugar

I'm sorry that you can't see what I'm saying, you're clouding the issue with emotion and taking it personal, when the idiot above says I want to take money from vets I don't think he is speaking of vets on the FD. I appreciate your service, But if you think you're the only profession that is doing demanding work with less you're wrong.
The city comes to the taxpayer for more money because they cannot provide the services we pay them for yet have enough money for union raises? When the economy is bad? When most people are barely making it? That's greed, like it or not.
Sandusky has a lot more revenue than many cities of it's size because of CF, maybe they should look at ways to economize, instead of taking the lazy way out and taxing the overtaxed.

unionman

Although I totally disagree with your view of union city workers you it is your right to your own opinion so i can respect that.

Julie R.

I know of a company ~ I believe it was in Norwalk ~ that thrived for over 70 years. They had so many orders they could hardly keep up with them. When new idiot investors took over they started refusing orders and ended up putting all their eggs into one basket. Within two years that company went bankrupt and ended up closing.

For some reason, the city of Sandusky puts me in mind of that company. At one time, Sandusky was thriving and now there's hardly anything left but Cedar Point. In other words, when it comes to the taxpayers in Sandusky, Cedar Point has the upper hand.

Julie R.

I can remember when some factory in Sandusky (can't remember which one it was) took all the machinery and moved to Canada or somewhere, there was a letter in the Reader's Forum from one of the city commissioners (can't remember which one) that he didn't know why those people were whining because there were lots of jobs out there. I think what he meant by "jobs" were jobs at Cedar Point and the waterparks.

Sometimes I think the city of Sandusky and the county commissioners didn't try very hard to keep all the decent paying jobs that left Sandusky only so people would be forced to take those kind of low-paying jobs at the waterparks and Cedar Point.

knowitall

Scott Paper?

Julie R.

No, I think (but I'm not sure) it was Georgia-Pacific, the former Sandusky Plastics.

8ballinthesidepocket

You are never sure of any of the odd ball off the wall comments you make. When asked for facts, you never respond with any. If you dont like it here, move!!

knowitall

Have a good night.

8ballinthesidepocket

If the pathetic condition of this city is defined as "thriving" I would hate to see it when not thriving. Drove by Elm Street park the other day and it was littered with trash from one end to the other. People cannot even pick up after themselves. Not a good sign.

ski

Quite a few comments for a nice little fluff article. People really must not have anything to do in this town.