Obama wants limits on US company mergers abroad

Democrats seek to draw sharp contrasts with Republicans by portraying them as defenders of corporate loopholes
Associated Press
Jul 25, 2014

 

Striking a populist stand ahead of the midterm elections, President Barack Obama is demanding "economic patriotism" from American corporations that seek overseas mergers to avoid U.S. taxes.

Obama and congressional Democrats are pushing to severely limit such deals, a move resisted by Republicans who argue the entire corporate tax code needs an overhaul.

Obama was scheduled to address the issue in remarks Thursday afternoon at a technical college in Los Angeles. Though he included a proposal to rein in such mergers and acquisitions in his 2015 budget, Obama's speech marks a new, more aggressive focus on the subject.

"The president has made clear that these companies are essentially renouncing their American citizenship by shipping their profits overseas to avoid paying taxes even as they benefit from all the advantages of being here in America," White House spokesman Eric Schultz said ahead of Obama's remarks. "That's precisely what we mean by economic patriotism."

The push comes amid a developing trend by companies to reorganize with foreign entities through deals called "inversions" partly to reduce their tax payments in the U.S.

But it also comes ahead of the fall political campaign as Democrats seek to draw sharp contrasts with Republicans by portraying them as defenders of corporate loopholes, and as Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and others have been drawing praise from liberal arms of the Democratic Party for their overtly populist positions.

The growth of inversions has also concerned Republicans, but by and large they have called for a broader tax overhaul that would reduce corporate rates.

A total of 47 U.S.-based companies have merged with or acquired foreign businesses over the past decade in inversions, according to the Congressional Research Service. The issue gained attention earlier this year when Pfizer made an unsuccessful attempt to take over British drugmaker AstraZeneca. The deal would have allowed Pfizer to incorporate in Britain and thus limit its exposure to higher U.S. corporate tax rates

Most recently, Walgreen Co., the drug store chain that promotes itself as "America's premier pharmacy," is considering a similar move with Swiss health and beauty retailer Alliance Boots.

The Obama administration began to ramp up attention to these transactions last week with a letter from Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew to House and Senate leaders. Lew said such deals "hollow out the U.S. corporate income tax base."

Obama is calling on Congress to enact legislation that is retroactive to May, arguing that will stop companies from rushing into deals to avoid the law.

Senate Democrats picked up the call this week, with Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democratic leader, sending a letter to Walgreen President and CEO Gregory Wasson urging him and his board to reconsider the overseas deal.

"I believe you will find that your customers are deeply patriotic and will not support Walgreen's decision to turn its back on the United States," Durbin wrote.

On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid weighed in with a floor speech that called inversions a "corporate citizenship scam."

Walgreen's spokesman Michael Polzin said the company is evaluating where to take its partnership with Alliance Boots. "We will do what is in the best long-term interests of our customers, employees and shareholders," he said.

Under such inversion deals, U.S.-based, multinational companies can lower their tax bills in part by combining with a foreign company and reorganizing in a country with a lower tax rate. The United States has a 35 percent income tax rate, the highest in the industrialized world, and unlike many other countries it also taxes income earned overseas and then brought home.

Under current law, shareholders of a U.S. company that merged with an offshore entity would have to own less than 80 percent of the combined entity to take advantage of a lower foreign tax rate. Obama's budget proposes slashing that cutoff to 50 percent and making the restriction retroactive to last May.

Republicans such as Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah say the U.S. first must change its policy of taxing income earned abroad. But in a hearing this week, Hatch also said he was open to addressing the issue directly provided it was not retroactive and did not generate additional revenue.

"Ultimately, the best way to solve this problem will be to reform our corporate and international tax system in a manner that will make our multinationals competitive against their foreign counterparts," he said.

Administration officials estimate the deals, if allowed to continue, will cost the U.S. Treasury $17 billion in lost revenue over the next decade.

 

Comments

Contango

Re: "these companies are essentially renouncing their American citizenship,"

Don't the Dems b*tch that corps. aren't people? How can a corp. have "citizenship?"

Can't have it both ways.

Dr. Information

My thoughts exactly. Dems say cooperations aren't people/citizens when it comes to the healthcare mandate (that was overturned), but are when its comes to collecting taxes. Thats called talking out both of your holes at the same time.

Can't have it both ways.

Contango

Pres. Obama: “I don’t care if it’s legal – it’s wrong,”

Typical of the 'lawless' and corrupt nature of the Putz-in-Chief.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/w...

Go ahead, close the "loophole" and foreign cos. will be buying U.S. cos. and putting the U.S. at an even greater economic and tax revenue disadvantage.

deertracker

It's Friday pooh! You know what that means! It's MARGARITA FRIDAY! It's on!

Contango

Re: "MARGARITA FRIDAY!"

Writes the off-topic drunk.

deertracker

No pooh, it's the only topic today. Don't you and the usual suspects ever enjoy yourselves? I do!

Contango

Re: "No,"

Yes. "Enjoy" your drunken stupor.

deertracker

I plan to. Every second of it!

jazzbo

It's amazing , deertracker , that the guy who is ALWAYS under the influence of alcohol , calls YOU a drunk.

The Big Dog's back

Yep, Mr drowning in Kesslers pooh.

deertracker

Absolutely comical jazz!

Contango

deertracker:

“I like Tequila!”

"I like Crown Royal too!"

Again: "Enjoy" your stupor, off-topic drunk.

sugar

F'ing amazing isn't it ? And his followers accept this garbage!

jazzbo

And you follow Ted Cruz.

Or some other rightwing nut.

Dr. Information

we get it, you hate Mexican's. Another hypocrite liberal racist.

Contango

"Jack Lew's Flee America Plan; The Obama Treasury wants to drive more U.S. companies overseas."

http://online.wsj.com/articles/j...

(Copy & paste the title in Google, click on link to get past the filters.)

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Tresy. Sec. Jack Lew: Funny, he stuffed money in the Cayman Is. when he was with Citigroup.

Now he's all sanctimonious. Revolving door: Wall St & DC.

"Obama’s hypocrisy on Jack Lew and his Cayman investment":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/op...

The Big Dog's back

So you 2 go both ways? Interesting.

freespeech1

Typical "don't have anything of substance to add so you make ignorant comments". We have the highest corp tax rate in the world, and all you can make is sexual comments?

There you go again

Freespeech1-
Why do you waste your typing on trash comments from Dog Sh$t?!?!

freespeech1

I guess it helps me deal with the fact that there are people as dumb as him all over this country.

Dr. Information

dumb people do not deserve a long response.

CommonsenseNow

Ignore "big dog". All he does is call people names in all his posts; I haven't seen him post one intelligent comment. He doesn't get enough attention in the real world (for obvious reasons), so he hides behind a computer looking to rile people up. Perhaps spending his time getting his GED would be a wiser investment of time.

jazzbo

Awwww shut hell up NonsenseNow , There you go again , freespeech1 , - you NEVER have anything intelligent to say.

All you do is bash - and youre not even good at that.

deertracker

Always the same old song when Obama is mentioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3...

jazzbo

I LIKE IT

knowitall

You read that ultra extremist propaganda and believe it without checking yourself. You are why this country is going downhill. The EFFECTiVE tax rate is low.....about 12-13% with all the loopholes. It isn't the rate, it's the loopholes you uninformed antagonist.

Contango

Re: "go both ways"

Nah. Ask your "metrosexual" prez about the Down Low Club.

With boy pal Reggie "Body Man" Love:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=B...

deertracker

Right BD, they enjoy catching and pitching!!!!!!!!

Contango

Re: "Right,"

Is 13 your age or your IQ ?

deertracker

Are you coming on to me? EEEwwwlll!!!!!!!!!!

Contango

Re: " Are,"

Nah. You're Obie's boy toy.

There you go again

Hey, what about Senator Manchin's daughter ( Oh, no, he's a Democrat) renouncing her company's US status and moving it to the Netherlands?!?! Obama best do his research before spewing and blaming Republicans for something his party is clearly guilty of as well. It's no wonder why folks aren't willing to work with this Unpresident.

knowitall

They aren't working with him because they are biggots. They can't even work with each other!

CommonsenseNow

All this rhetoric is from the entrenched establishment's script who would sell their own mother for a special interest deal. They fly around in private jets, spend $2 million on a golf game (Obama did), spend $15 million on airplane costs for a single vacation (Obama did), stay at five star motels where they have expensive massages and alcohol, and rub elbows on a daily basis with the one percenters they so vehemently demonize in public: Obama is friends with some of the richest men on the planet including Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Paige, Jamie Dimon. They only care about getting votes, the rest of Americans can go to hell; they roll out the red carpet for law-breaking illegal teenagers who trespass into our country while leaving our veterans to languish and die in a fatal wait for medical care.

deertracker

Please explain how you spend 2 million on a golf game or 15 million to fly a plane. Presidents have always had rich friends. Why should he be any different? Would you feel better if the President stayed at Motel 6? All this constant griping about the President is just dumb and a waste of time. Ridiculous!

Contango

Re: "Presidents have always had rich friends."

Some more than others.

"Guess which President has raked in the most Wall Street bucks in a generation?":

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/...

Staying at a Holiday Inn would be OK. Breakfast is included. :)

Pres. Obama = hypocrite.

deertracker

Seems fitting to me since the stock market is highest it has ever been. They owe this man and you do too!

pooh = whiner, crybaby, hypocrite, drunk, and hater!

Contango

Re: "the stock market is highest it has ever been."

So which of Pres. Obama's policies have made this possible?

See: Federal Reserve and other world central banks which have printed & tossed over $29 trillion onto the world markets.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/a...

deertracker

All of them! Black man can't get no credit!:)

Contango

Re: "All,"

Whatever delusional nonsense you wanna believe.

The Big Dog's back

You know when you right wingnuts quit bashing and being racist about everything Obama, then, and only then can we have a civil discussion. But, I won't hold my breathe waiting for you mouth breathing, knuckle dragging neanderthals to stop the Obama bashing.

SamAdams

Interesting...

So why don't you like Ted Cruz, Big Dog? Is it because he's Hispanic? YOU'RE A RACIST!

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The Hero Zone

Don't forget his deep-rooted hatred toward women on the basis he disagrees with Sarah Palin. That means he is quite the sexist, too, because that is the ONLY reason you can disagree with someone: pigmentation or genitalia.

Dr. Information

Dems, hate Wall St, but love them if Barack is in the same sentence. Dems, hate women and bash Palin but love the liar H. Clinton. Dems, hate cooperations and say that cooperations are not people, but Obama refers to cooperations as citizens. Huh?

Dems = Hypocrites

The Big Dog's back

Grow up already.

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The Hero Zone

rant

For as much as you espouse "blacktracking" it seems you need to use the "ovu-correct" feature to take back some of the sexist things you have said about Sarah Palin. Or do you need to hit the "back-gays" key to retract your homophobic comment you made earlier?

Do you see that crap above? Yeah. That's exactly what you let sluice through your mind, down your arms, and out your fingers when you say inane, partisan taglines. It's not too pretty is it? In fact it is downright ignorant and immature. Oh there's others on here who vomit ignorant filth, too, but you my friend are the capital offender when you aren't blatantly stealing others' words to use as your own.

I'd love for you to try and actually be a human being who is above this stuff. Otherwise you are no better than the other name-callers here who are content to roll around in their own filth and throw it on others who are trying to have grown-up conversations.

Do you know how disparaging it is for me to say that when I am presumably a generation-ish younger than you are? Stop being part of the problem and actually be a solution for once, Big Dog. Sheesh. It's not that hard. Every freaking time I log in it's the SS/DD here.

By the by I am FAR from being a perfect human being. I am NOT the smartest guy around. I've had my fair share of FAILURE and success, SHAME and triumph. But lately with all the freaking name-calling and nonconstructive garbage that has been released into these forums I'm hitting my limit as a PERSON WHO WANTS TO ACTUALLY HELP OTHERS AND HIS STATE/COUNTRY.

I'd love some actual help accomplishing that from people like you who claim to care instead of competing against a vibrating sphincter blowing into a microphone every chance it gets.

/rant

knowitall

Cruz is an Islamic extremist. Was he born in this country?

jazzbo

Right !

deertracker

My bad! It was Bush's policies! NOT!

CommonsenseNow

Article right on point. :) http://www.washingtontimes.com/n...

Contango

Pres. Obama's economic policy: U.S. prosperity through Dem fundraisers and golfing.

bnjjad

"They only care about getting votes, the rest of Americans can go to hell" - Seems pretty similar to the Republicans agenda for the past several years.

Contango

Re: "Seems pretty similar,"

Yep! Republicrats.

CommonsenseNow

Are you assuming I am a republican or are you just adding to the conversation? I don't see people as "republican" or "democrat." The world isn't so tidy, and my paradigm not so small, that I go around and have convenient little labels for everyone who writes what's on their minds. Oh this person said this, so they MUST be this. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Period. True change only occurs when there is a shock to the status-quo. There's been no shock here. The same ol' same ol' maybe hyped up a little bit.

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^THANK YOU!

Donegan

It is comical to watch the Obama worshipers try to deflect from the failure of their god. Not one of them has did anything besides call names, make personal attacks and generally act like 3rd graders.
Modern Liberalism/Progressivism is a mental disease.

jazzbo

Donegan HAS a mental disease - its called Dumbassitosis.

The Big Dog's back

He likes Alex Jones. That's his god.

jazzbo

An unstable man (Donegan) following another unstable man (Alex Jones) will both fall into shiit .

Donegan

Thanks for proving my point.

sugar

Wait until these black folk figure out they are now second fiddle to the illegal, aliens , ah the migrant children, ahh the refugees, ahh the undocumented children.
You're yesterday's news fellas.

deertracker

We are already second fiddle to white folks! Where you been?

Donegan

Oh god, Yous president and all, Hous you not being second fiddle to the white man??????? Good looord hous yous all feelin with no wheres to run from your idiocy????? Hawld have mercy!!!!
F your BS deal of racism. You have no right to scream racism. You are racist.

jazzbo

Thanks for proving my point...you racist , anti- government , prick.

knowitall

You think you got it bad! My people, native Americans, got it bad! My ancestors were slaughtered.

SamAdams

Why do people go into business? To make money. And why wouldn't companies do whatever they could legally do to maximize that purpose? The corrollary: How many companies (those NOT bailed out by government, I mean) can you name that consistently LOSE money but are still in business?

Maybe what the President and his cronies should consider is that companies are going to European countries -- countries that are largely socialistic and with high taxes -- because those countries actually have LOWER corporate tax rates than America does! And he wonders out of the other side of his mouth why there aren't more jobs...Sheesh!

I realize that the Federal Reserve is a big player here and deserves plenty of blame right along with agencies that over-regulate and Congress that over-taxes. But another hefty chunk of fault lies dead center in the Oval Office because the man who presently occupies the chair can't be bothered to listen to people who know a lot more about economics than he does. His foreign policy, his domestic policy, AND his economic policy are all less effective (and in some cases quite a bit more dangerous) because the "smartest man in the room" won't act on the expert advice (or won't even ASK for it) a President is lucky enough to have at his fingertips!

The Big Dog's back

Do you really believe the President doesn't have Financial advisers? Are you on the crack pipe this morning? You personally have dissed anyone he has brought in including Immelt.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/admini...

SamAdams

Did I say he didn't have advisors? Nope. I said he wouldn't act on their advice. And he typically doesn't (unless they're ALL as incompetent as he is, and I tend to doubt that).

The Big Dog's back

Oh, so you are there at their meeting? Well smack me down.

deertracker

LOL!

jazzbo

SamAdams , the guy who likes Ted Cruz - calling Obama's administration " incompetent ".....that takes a LOT of gall.

SamAdams

Insults from somebody who doesn't even know I'm not a guy? Oooooh, I'm WOUNDED!

As far as Obama's/the Obama administration's incompetence goes, I can say so or not. It's immaterial to the fact that, judging from the results, "incompetent" is the KINDEST term that could be used!

jazzbo

It's immaterial what gender you are ( why even bring that up ? ) - youre still an azzhole.

Dr. Information

jizzgobbler off his meds again. Watch out. Bahahahahah what a moron.

jazzbo

You are a gutless prick. HA ha ha !

CommonsenseNow

Sam Adams one brain cell is larger than your entire brain. I honestly don't wish you ill, Big Dog, and know that you've obviously have some issues ... but if you're going to trash people ... stick within your own league. You're way out of it here my friend.

The Big Dog's back

Gee, advice given by a right wingnut. I'm honored.

jazzbo

CommonsenseNow , I honestly would wish you ill, but apparently it has already happened-- it's sad that you were born without a brain.

Contango

Tres'y Sec. Jack Lew:

"best way to address this situation is through business tax reform that lowers the corporate tax rate, broadens the tax base, closes loopholes, and simplifies the tax system."

EXACTLY what the Repubs have been advocating legislatively for several yrs. and which Sen. Reid has been tying up in the Senate.

Also see:

National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform (Bowles-Simpson).

Which Pres. Obama created in 2010 and then ignored the recommendations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat...

ohioengineer

This comment says it all in a nutshell. The United States - the so-called bastion of free enterprise - has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. If you want businesses to stay at home, be it Pfizer or Cedar Point, give them a fair and equitable tax rate.

deertracker

You can cut the hate in here with a knife!

The Big Dog's back

Until the right wingnuts put on the big boy pants, you can't have a sane discussion with them. Wahhhhhhhhhh, Obama went golfing. Wahhhhh, Obama went on vacation.

deertracker

I find it quite comical!

wasthere

Hey, would you loan us your "big boy" pants? I understand they are big enough for most of us at one time.

jazzbo

Why do you want his pants...did you shiit in yours , little boy ?

deertracker

OUCH!

wasthere

Ouch? Did you catch those large lips on Jizzblows zipper?

wasthere

Who you calling boy there porch monkey?

The Big Dog's back

You!

jazzbo

You boy .... now what ?

Dr. Information

and here comes the threats. Incompetent fool. You wouldn't last 2 seconds.

jazzbo

You think youre tough enough ?

Dr. Information

cleanup on isle 2, jizzgobbler needs help.

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jazzbo

Whatever your point is... it reinforces the case for "economic patriotism ".

Bottom Line

A day in the life of a brain dead liberal:

When the hypocrite in chief says or does something stupid, which happens almost daily, just change the subject to something off topic. Because admitting he ever makes mistakes might make you flirt with credibility. Oops, wouldn't want that.

When you've got no valid points and no facts to support outrageous claims you WANT to be true, resort to name calling in hopes that everyone forgets what line of bull you previously tried to push through.

Blame Bush for something that Obama has had six years to change or improve... A president doesn't "inherit" issues that may have been a result of his predecessor. He voluntarily chooses to pursue the job because he SHOULD have a plan to make the nation better. No presidential supporters in history have blamed a previous regime for their own failure for so many years like now.

When all else fails exercise the last remaining option, call someone a right wingnut and resort sheepishly to the race card. Which is the single most pathetic ploy there is.

REPEAT.

jazzbo

Nice introduction , Bottom Feeder - start off with an insult.

Yeah , you rightwing-nuts have a lot of class.

Bottom Line

Says the person with the most and BY FAR THE MOST JUVENILE insults on the comment boards. Kids in diapers have better things to say than you do.

jazzbo

To be fair , which you're not , take your head out of your diaper and look around at your other fellow rightwing-nuts comments.

Nah , you wont do that.

PS

You and a lot of others in this comment section , are nothing but a bunch of solid azzholes.

You are not going to get anything from me except shiit - because you really have earned it.

The Big Dog's back

bottom feeder, you right wingnuts are still, still blaming Clinton for 9/11 and the Great Recession.

looking around
CommonsenseNow

I've observed you on here, deertracker, and see the way you operate. My pick is not with you. Obama has played up income inequality, shared sacrifice, redistribution of wealth, and call people "haters" who disagree with him, all the while making special deals with the top players. You want to make everything partisan. Well, there is a world outside the puppet show of politics where everyone is conveniently labeled as this and that. If you haven't been able to see through this administration, there is nothing going to make you question anything. And to point to the stock market ... bet you were not pointing to the housing bubble to say, hey Bush is doing a great job. Bubbles and bubbles.

deertracker

Why would I say that about Bush? I don't always agree with the President but the constant hate from the usual suspects is just comical. How has he redistributed any wealth? Only the super rich have thrived. Income inequality is a real issue.

FYI: I liked Bush as a man but he just wasn't a good leader. That has to be obvious!

CommonsenseNow

Okay, deer, what is your definition of "hate?" I won't get into the redistribution of wealth question with you unless you really can have an honest discussion about it. I agree, the super-rich have thrived. That is what happens when the law is so complicated you need a legion of lawyers and accountants to find the loopholes. That is what happens with all the special deals where the government picks winners and losers. But we can't ever talk about the real causes and real solutions because the country has been TRAINED to see each other as an enemy. Well, I don't see the average American as an enemy. That is just stupid. And if someone disagrees with me politically, I don't call them a racist. Because it demeans the word.

The Big Dog's back

You right wingnuts have labeled us Libs for years. You've called unpatriotic for not supporting chimp's war, say that anything bad that happens, it's the Libs fault. You right wingnuts go apesheet whenever someone doesn't do exactly want you want. And when they do do exactly what you want, you blacktrack.

CommonsenseNow

People are people. We are not groups. We don't have a string in our backs that when you pull the same stuff comes out. You have chosen to form your paradigms with a very broad brush. I look at the PERSON not the label. I don't give a crap what political party they are. I only care about what they DO once in office. But your paradigm is so black and white, you will distort anything someone says so that it fits into your prejudices.

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The Hero Zone

Thank you thank you thank you! Did I say thanks? Gracias! Arigatou! Danke!

Sandumpy Proud

All hail King Hussein Obama!

The Big Dog's back

And just when you right wingnuts call us Libs out, along come another bottom of the ignorance pit right wingnut.

jazzbo

Another right wingnut troll.

pntbutterandjelly

Big Business. Big Profits. Big Lobbyists. Big Payola. Big Wars. Big Income Redistribution. Little guy...not so much.

pntbutterandjelly

Vote Republican for only two reason. (a) You can afford it financially and (b) if you can afford to be ignorant. All others...vote Democratic.

anthras

RE:"Vote Republican for only two reason. (a) You can afford it financially and (b) if you can afford to be ignorant. All others...vote Democratic."

I did read an article in one of my past issues of the "Mensa Research Journal" advising that persons with higher IQ's lean to the right. If you have the facts to prove otherwise then maybe you should contact Mensa and advise them that they are wrong

pntbutterandjelly

Now then.....
if every American man and woman could find a way to tie their income to another country...everybody could cheat the IRS like the big corporations do.

pntbutterandjelly

The big corporations have the capital, influence, attorneys and lobbyists to get all the loop holes they can find AND create. Of COURSE they cheat. They cheat all the other American taxpayers. That IS unpatriotic. And yet they and the Republicans wave their patriotism flags to cover up what they are really all about. Themselves. (United we stand unless you are wealthy.)

pntbutterandjelly

Corporations are driving the World towards a one dictator system faster than any other force. And his name will be Profit.

pntbutterandjelly

Religious people should be ashamed to vote Republican.

anthras

Re:"Religious people should be ashamed to vote Republican."

I do not feel that a religious person that feels that everything is a creation of God should vote for a party that is pro abortion.

pntbutterandjelly

Decent people should be appalled by the Republicans.

pntbutterandjelly

Working class people should be seething by the Republicans.

anthras

Re"Working class people should be seething by the Republicans."

Obama is digitally printing about $80 billion a month and that does prop up the stock market helping the top 1% more than anyone else.

Allowing all the illegal migrants to enter means that our tax money will have to feed,cloth,shelter them, educate them and take care of their health care needs. The alternative to our tax monies doing that they would have to find employment and who do you think they would compete with for a job the top 1% or the middle and lower class? The disparity gap has been growing under Obama and is especially hard on the younger black males.

pntbutterandjelly

Women in general should be screaming mad with the Republicans.

pntbutterandjelly

The elderly too need to vote Democratic.

pntbutterandjelly

The physical and mentally infirmed need to shun the Republican party.

pntbutterandjelly

Black, brown, gay and 99% of our voters should vote Democratic.

pntbutterandjelly

Let the 1% who worship the almighty dollar day and night and while asleep vote Republican.

Donegan

PB&J, Another example of what Progressive liberalism does to someone. It is a mental illness, Why doesn't someone help these people?

jazzbo

Dumbagain YOU have the mental illness - it's called Dumbassitosis.

sugar

There is a readers forum piece posted with the name of someone who cares. Lol. A bit unstable!

Dr. Information

unstable at best. Personally, I'd be afraid to be around someone who just had a mental breakdown on a forum lol.

Contango

Quite a rant eh?

Mr. pbj musta just finished reading some Marxist literature and got himself all fired up. :)

Bet he's got a dog-eared, translated copy of "Das Kapital" on his night stand.

jazzbo

You have a poster of Stalin on your wall.

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The Hero Zone

Are you quite done spouting this one-party-only nonsense? If you'd like to have a discussion and ask questions like you did about the children in another thread that's fine. However this is vomit and you are getting it everywhere. Please stop, especially as this party you laud so much engages in this same behavior you decry here on a regular basis.

The Big Dog's back

Truth hurts doesn't it. What questions are there to be asked about what PBJ wrote?

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The Hero Zone

Hi. Thanks for being irrelevant. Feel free to replace every instance of "D" with "R" and handle that same hurting "truth". It's just as "true" and certainly as hyperbolic. Take your party-first garbage out of here. When you feel like being a productive, contributing commentator here you're welcome to do so.

jazzbo

Well , which party should we be spouting about ?

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The Hero Zone

If I answer you are you going to call me names and offer petty banter, or are you actually going to engage in meaningful conversation? I'm not in the mood to waste my time on the immature crap that has been spewed in these forums. I'll converse with you, but I'm not getting into one-liner nya-nyas.

jazzbo

I asked you a simple question.
I don't want a " conversation " ...just a simple answer.

The Big Dog's back

He won't give a simple answer, even though he is a simpleton.

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The Hero Zone

Parties allow the circumnavigation of the checks and balances between the branches. Plus, both parties are rife with corruption, Gobs, and party first/citizen second mentality. So neither are worth gushing over and you should think for yourself, not have a party tell you what to think.

jazzbo

Big Dog was right.

PS

I quess I have to phrase this again -

What political party to YOU hold to ?

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The Hero Zone

My own. Me. Independent. Why would I bother to outsource my thinking and opinions to other people? Why would I want to be roped into fools like Nancy Pelosi, John Boehner, etc.?

jazzbo

Well then you probably don't vote -and if you don't vote , you have no right to complain.
Don't hold your breath hoping that your independent party nominates you to be president..

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The Hero Zone

I do vote so I have every right to complain. I'm also not running for President. Kindly stop making presumptions about other peoples' lives. Leave that behavior pattern back in another decade with true racism, sexism, and other vile forms of prejudice and bigotry.

If you want to let other people tell you what to do/say/think, go right ahead. I won't stop you. Neither will I stop them from alluring you since you are receptive to that practice. But when you try to push that mindset onto other people like Democrats (or Republicans if you were of that bend) are some flawless Master Race - that is when my hackles are raised.

As it is, both major parties are deeply embedded in the problems we face. Both can very truly much be a part of the solution, but neither can seem to put the interests of the citizenry above political posturing and wastes of money, time, and lives right now.

This isn't some Ohio vs. Michigan game where a win/loss in the rivalry doesn't actually have inter/national consequences. This is real life. These are the livelihoods of real human beings from all manner of unknowable circumstances. Real people who suffer, cry, work, play, spend, die, make, and think. Yet to many, including party cheerleaders, none of that matters so long as the good of the party comes first.

I'm sick of it, jazzbo. I want better than what we have, do you?

jazzbo

Kindly stop making presumptions that I let other people tell me what to do/say/think, ok ?

" This is real life. These are the livelihoods of real human beings from all manner of unknowable circumstances. Real people who suffer, cry, work, play, spend, die, make, and think."

-- If you are confused about this , I suggest that you vote Democrat because they are concerned for the many - not just the few.

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The Hero Zone

Why would I vote for a party that, broadly, is just as steeped in "1%", corruption, scandals, ignorance, and the denial of others' thoughts as the Republicans? That is what I'd really like to convey. They SAY they are "for the many", yes? Well what are the results? Nationally? How about privately? How many of these altruists take the maximum deductions of their taxes and shelter their assets?

That is what makes them even crueler, stereotypically, than Republicans. Especially because you as the individual are not empowered. Instead you are simply one of "the masses" that are broken down by race, gender, etc. You aren't special, you are simply part of a group. If you don't think like that group "should"? Well...then you're in for it and worthless to their cause.

That's what I object. I prefer the empowerment of the individual. To give him/her the education to think and survive on his/her own. To allow each the freedom to make their decisions and break the shackles of prejudice and societal expectations. Human dignity should take precedent to group policy.

There are stances the Democratic Party takes with which I agree. However, until they stop undermining the value of self respect and dignity, I could never join the party.

And as for the many and not the few? I wonder how many of the five fundraisers our President had last week that had a $5 entry fee and was filled with "the many"? How much "income inequality" was in the very room(s) he was in? Talk about insult to injury and to see people who usually rail against such "injustices" suddenly turn beta and make up excuses for it (ESPECIALLY by equating it to the last President whom they deplore) is just as flabbergasting.

P.S. - I'll happily point out my problems with Republicans if you'd like. But since we were on the topic of Democrats there it is above.

Donegan

You will notice that he deflected from your final sentence because he does not care about whether things get better. He cares whether his team wins or not and knows the next nameless person with a "D" behind his/her name will continue with the same policies and the status quo will be maintained.
Jazz is nothing but a Democrat hack that has no clue about actual policy, You can see it in his every post. (I still think he is dog or Coaster under a different name. You notice Coaster has not been on as of late and jazz might be her nervous breakdown "I'm cornered because my god is failing me" name.

jazzbo

Wrong , little professor.

PS

Go ask your mother for your comeback.

Donegan

Hows it Coaster or Dog? It really does not matter, you are all the same anyways. Brainless drones who have nothing to offer the real world.
How does it feel to know your god is a failure?

jazzbo

Shock and Awe , pntbutterandjelly.

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