Another Malaysian plane crashes

Initial reports suggests plane may have been shot down over Ukraine
Associated Press
Jul 17, 2014

UPDATE 3:22 p.m. —

WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — President Barack Obama said Thursday that the passenger plane downed over Ukraine "looks like it may be a terrible tragedy" and his top priority is finding out whether American citizens were on board.

Obama said he's directed his aides to stay in close contact with Ukrainian officials and offer U.S. help to determine what caused the crash. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called the downing of the Malaysia Airlines plane carrying 295 people an act of terrorism.

An Associated Press journalist counted at least 22 bodies at the crash site about 25 miles from the Russian border, where government and pro-Moscow separatists have been fighting.

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page that the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher.

Obama press secretary Josh Earnest said Obama was on a phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin when news of the downed plane broke. Earnest and the Kremlin said Putin mentioned those early reports in the call, but provided no details of what the two leaders said about it.

"The world is watching reports of a downed passenger jet near the Russia-Ukraine border," Obama said later as he took the stage for a speech in Delaware to discuss transportation funding. "It looks like it might be a terrible tragedy. Right now we're working to determine whether there were American citizens on board. That is our first priority."

The rest of the phone call between Obama and Putin was dedicated to the general situation in eastern Ukraine, and recent U.S. sanctions against Russian individuals and companies.

The Federal Aviation Administration had warned U.S. pilots earlier this year not to fly over portions of the Ukraine in the Crimea region, according to notices posted on the agency's website.

The notices were posted on April 23. The U.N.'s International Civil Aviation Organization and the aviation authorities in most countries issue similar notices for areas where unrest or military conflict creates a risk of being shot down.

 

 

 

UPDATE 12:30 p.m. —

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) -- Ukraine's president says his country's armed forces did not shoot at any airborne targets, after reports that a Malaysian Airlines plane went down over Ukraine.

President Petro Poroshenko says Thursday "we do not exclude that this plane was shot down, and we stress that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take action against any airborne targets."

Poroshenko said "we are sure that those who are guilty in this tragedy will be held responsible."

 

ORIGINAL POST:

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — A Ukrainian official said a Malaysian passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday over a town in the east of the country.

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday.

Malaysia Airlines said on its Twitter feed that it "has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow."

 

More updates as information becomes available.

Comments

mikeylikesit

oh geez..

ladydye_5

Not sure who would still get on a Malaysian aircraft. Ever.

bayshore

Maybe people from Malaysia.

lugnut2511

You dont take commercial airliners over a warzone...This airline surely doesn't have they business in order thats for sure... Oh can we say, ""Americans Jet Blue""

deertracker

Agreed!

SamAdams

According to everything I've heard, the flight path was a normal one and was NOT one that was either prohibited OR against which airlines were warned by various State Departments.

Blaming Malaysia Airlines is inappropriate until we know for sure why the plane crashed. If an engine blew because of poor maintenance, or if the pilot was a crazy that wasn't background-checked/unqualified who wasn't properly trained, okay: It's the airline's fault. But if it was literally blown out of the sky by a missile (as is currently being reported), and if that route had previously been deemed safe, why would any responsible person blame the company? How about we blame whoever it is that shot it down, hmmm?

Until the time for finger-pointing has come (in other words, until we actually have some facts), why don't you spend your time praying for the families (assuming you pray), or at least feeling bad for the tragic loss of life? Honestly, people!

lugnut2511

Sorry Sam Adams, but at 33,000 ft, you can coast it to an airport. It was shot down in a war zone. Your right, no one was told not to travel over a war zone. But common sense would tell you not to.Specially since there have been two shot down this week...= No brainer..

Contango

Re: "war zone,"

Technically not a "war zone" - yet.

The question becomes: Which party has the most to gain from this incident?

deertracker

It's a war zone pooh.

Contango

Re: "It's,"

Request an update from your Obama anal probe, nitwit.

'Area of conflict' would be more accurate.

deertracker

War zone would be more accurate pooh!

Contango

Re: "War zone,"

Airlines do not fly over "war zones," nitwit.

deertracker

One did yesterday pooh.

SamAdams

The latest conjecture I heard was that it was an accident. Oh, the plane was intentionally shot down, but the story is that those who launched it thought they were aiming at a Ukrainian military transport.

While the separatists might have had something to gain had it actually BEEN a military transport, they sure aren't gaining anything from this! In fact, I'm pretty sure they're going to LOSE.

deertracker

Accident? Please? Tell that to 295 families. Some of you on here had high praise for Putin. Now what?

The Big Dog's back

To be more specific putin was pooh's idol.

Contango

Re: "To be more specific,"

More idiotic blather from nitwit.

SamAdams

Really? Then why did the United States JUST (after the Malaysian Airline crash) nix overflights in the area?

If airlines avoided everywhere there was some minor skirmish -- and that's effectively pretty much what this WAS -- it would be tough to go or get a whole LOT of places!

If Malaysia was the only country overflying the area, I'd concede that others saw dangers that were either ignored or discounted by Malaysia Airlines. But it wasn't. In fact, I heard the flight path referenced more than once today as a "common" one. I've no doubt all of that's changed NOW, but hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20!

deertracker

Where are you getting your info. You are dead wrong on a lot of stuff.

Gottathink

Sam, you're one of those that I wish I knew in real life.

I'm appalled at our nations response... more sanctions. Yea, these impact Russia, ruin their economy and such. However I do feel for the Russian people as they are not able to stand up to their president.

Truth2u

Headlines would be more accurate saying that it was SHOT DOWN. It didn't just crash it was attacked

Donegan

This is the anniversary of TWA 800. Seems gravity is extra strong around July 17th.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/14/us...

freespeech1

23 Americans dead and what's Obama doing? Another fundraiser! Same song same dance. This man has no business being president.

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The Hero Zone

Two fundraisers in NYC (http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedu...) while the world is going to hell. This was his ~40 seconds of remarks before launching into party appreciation and applause.

http://youtu.be/1sxtdWZzWnE

I don't think I could fathom living as a party first person. Where the needs, thoughts, and concerns of others in your own country let alone elsewhere just fall away to applause because you mentioned someone who has the same letter after their name as you.

Meanwhile, you want a REAL Presidential response to an act like this?

http://youtu.be/9VA4W1wDMAk

President Reagan's Address to the Nation on the Soviet Attack on a Korean Airliner (KAL 007)

The Big Dog's back

Sissy.

deertracker

We are not in charge of the world HZ. If you want to place blame Putin is your guy. He started this whole mess. The President does not need to do anymore than what he has done.

What would your response be?

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The Hero Zone

Hi deer, I'll respond to you as you haven't called names and you know I respect you. But this may as well answer Big Dog's "what would you do" too.

Firstly, I am not blaming the President for what happened. That would be ignorant. Putin may not have given the order, but it was the group which presumably has Russia's weapons that also presumably pulled the trigger. He is closer to the source of the responsibility.

Secondly, I was upset at the President's response because it was just tossed into a "YAY BIDEN/INFRASTRUCTURE/DEMOCRATS!" celebration as a side note. Giving a few throwaway lines before all the other stuff sullies the severity of what is happening with this incident, what is going on in Israel, and all the other places in the world where this strife and death are occurring.

He may have been scheduled to appear at a fundraiser, but those DO NOT take precedent over being President. Instead of being at the ready in the White House, he was schmoozing with "the 1%" in NYC (most likely on our dime) like nothing major was happening in the world. His party isn't even a representation of a majority of the population! Instead of seeking for common human ties, it was remarks similar to "REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL AND STUPID, GIVE US MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE SUPERIOR". It is possible for the President to set partisan fundraising (a deliberate act of dividing and demeaning the population) aside to do his job for everyone. I'm sure a very nice letter of cancellation could have been given. So in my opinion the President could have done much, much more than he did.

Now, you asked me what I would do?

I would have cancelled the fundraising appearances (it won't stop the attendees from buying $15,000/plate food), gone back to the White House, and my schedule would be filled with Cabinet meetings. I wouldn't have made side comments about this issues as if it was "just another thing" that happened. I would have started crafting a meaningful speech to deliver to the population that appealed to humanity and justice akin to the other one I posted from another President.

The entire flippancy of it all is what bothers me the most.

The Big Dog's back

Your child like answers are really getting on my nerves.

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The Hero Zone

Your nonsensical and detached one sentence replies can sometimes do the same. But it doesn't stop me from appealing to humanity and a higher standard through history, philosophy, optimism, and the ability to remove party blinders. Perhaps because my answers are so childish, you'd like to run circles around my logic? You know, to really show this "sissy" what-fer!

If you want to turn this into a contest of some kind, stop griping about what I say, cite, and espouse and actually step up to counter it all. If you can't counter the arguments of a mere child, what does that say about you?

The Big Dog's back

It says I'm no longer responding to your child like posts. Come back when you grow up.

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The Hero Zone

Well everyone there you have it. Big Dog either is incapable of winning an argument with a "child", or he is wholly incapable of describing his own ideas in such a way that even a child can understand them.

Mind you the "child" to which he refers both welcomed him back in good health, has stepped up to others who insult Big Dog, and himself doesn't call Big Dog names. Rather the adult calls the child names like "sissy" and gives the child the sage advice of "suck it up" when pointing out overreach, expecting a reasonable higher standard, and wanting more/better for the world.

The Big Dog's back

Put on the big boy pants and grow up, that's all I'm asking.

deertracker

@ HZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3...
This is mere hours after the shoot down not days like Reagan's response!

Life goes on. Sad but true. Give me one person anywhere that changed their plans after the shoot down. Other than the families' of the dead.

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The Hero Zone

I understand the time difference, deertracker. There is still an amount of tact that can be used. It isn't just with the plane. There is so much more going on that it upsets me our President felt going to two party fundraisers was more important than being behind his desk. Party fundraisers are an unnecessary function for the population let alone the Presidency. Those should be easy to cancel in the wake of severe international tensions.

As well his remark was off-hand and treated as a side-note before going into essentially "YAY! INFRASTRUCTURE, JOE BIDEN, AND DEMOCRATS!"

As for others who changed their plans? I'd imagine that a great many other people did. How would you feel if several houses on your block were on fire or threatened to catch and our fire chief decided Bingo at a local hall was more important? Sure, the chief may never hold the hose himself (maybe he does? I don't know), but don't you want him on the scene or at his desk to handle people and resources in order to contain threats, answer questions, and reassure everyone in the community he's at the helm?

I'm not really asking for all that much, deer, especially since our President was at partisan fundraisers.

The Big Dog's back

What do you want him to do exactly.

deertracker

What do you want the President to do? He was already scheduled to be at a fundraiser and could not predict this mess. Nothing he can do but offer help to figure out who did this.

Dr. Information

This just in, Air Malaysia.............cheaper than ever to fly.

The Big Dog's back

I remember a President reading my pet goat while AMERICA was being attacked. This was after he was told twice. Case closed.

freespeech1

LMAO always refer back to bush, well face the facts poppy doo HE ISNT PRESIDENT ANYMORE!!!! Maybe Obama was reading "How to Breed A Goat"? Stump training for dummies? Case open!

The Big Dog's back

raygun's announcement was our embassy was attacked in Beirut when 17 Americans were killed:
" U.S. President Ronald Reagan on April 18 denounced the "vicious terrorist bombing" as a "cowardly act," saying, "This criminal act on a diplomatic establishment will not deter us from our goals of peace in the region."[6] Two envoys, Philip C. Habib and Morris Draper, continued their peace mission in Beirut to discuss Lebanese troop withdrawals with a renewed sense of urgency".

The Big Dog's back

October 23rd, 1983. Ronald Reagan was President of the United States.

What stood out then, particularly on television, was the toll of 241 dead at Marine BLT Barracks at Beirut Airport. Yet on the 30th Anniversary last week, in 2013, nothing appeared on television to commemorate those losses. Not a word on network news or the commentary shows.

These were revenge killings; for Muslims, the term "retaliation" is more appropriate. In all, four truck bombs killed 398 people to take revenge for months of Ronald Reagan using the offshore guns of the U.S. Navy to shell Lebanese villages. Those bombardments killed more than a thousand people, slaughtering Druze and Muslims indiscriminately. The technology for the bombs was provided by Iran. There, for the Iran-Iraq War, Reagan had reversed Jimmy Carter's Executive Order and taken to supplying material support for Saddam Hussein. This despite Saddam's use of nerve gas to kill tens of thousands of Iranians, including civilians

freespeech1

Shows your ignorance, we supplied both Iran and Iraq weapons for a reason, you let them pummel each other to a stalemate therefore you don't have a supreme power in the region. There's your military lesson 101.

The Big Dog's back

It didn't work did it.