Obama pushes for better skilled teachers

Education Department investing $4.2 million to help states create plans to make sure very student has effective teacher
Associated Press
Jul 8, 2014

 

President Barack Obama brought forward a new administration effort Monday to place quality teachers in schools that need them the most.

Obama said the U.S. education system has "a problem" in that students who would benefit the most from having skilled or experienced teachers in their classrooms are least likely to get them, including black and Hispanic students.

Obama credits education and good teachers for helping him get to the White House. He said he wants to make sure that every child has the same access to good teachers that he had.

"The one ingredient that we know makes an enormous difference is a great teacher," Obama said before discussing the issue over lunch in the Blue Room of the White House with Education Secretary Arne Duncan and four teachers from Springdale, Arkansas; Washington, D.C.; Greensboro, North Carolina, and Philadelphia.

Duncan also planned to participate in a round-table discussion later Monday with teachers and principals.

Under the initiative, the  will ask states to develop plans to make sure very student has an effective teacher. It's also investing $4.2 million to help states and districts create the plans and put them into place.

Black and American Indian students are four times as likely as their white peers to go to a school where more than 20 percent of teachers are in their first year, according to Education Department statistics. The same data show that Latino students are three times as likely.

"When a school or a school district or a set of schools in a disadvantaged community has disproportionate numbers of inexperienced teachers, that is not a good thing," Duncan said. "You want a balance on any team. And what we are looking for is to increase effectiveness in disadvantaged communities."

 

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There you go again

Just how will Obama enure that "great" teachers will work in under privileged schools? Once again the focus is on improving the teachers in school rather than improving student responsibility in their own education. I am talking about the lack of parental involvement in a child's school. A great teacher can instruct 8 hours a day but, when the child goes home, doesn't do homework or practice the skills, and goes back to school the next day unprepared.....that's where the problem lies.

holysee

You are wrong on just about all of your assumptions and conclusions.

holysee

And that is NOT where all of the problem lies.

YoMamma

You are dead wrong! Almost ALL the school issues revolve around parents lack of involvement in their child's education! Sorry if that makes you feel bad about yourself.

Contango

Re: "parents lack of involvement in their child's education!"

The looney libs create billion dollar unearned entitlement programs leading to decades worth of masses of single moms and orphans.

So now, the looney libs have to ride to the rescue with billions of dollars worth of nutrition, education, et. al. programs to help solve the problem of the absentee parents.

Lack of money ain't the problem, govt. is the problem.

Dr. Information

Its 90% on parenting, bottom line. Liberals have created an atmosphere in school where one cannot be punished AND we hand out ribbons and trophies for everything and everyone involved.

The Big Dog's back

So deuce pooh, what's your solution? Any old right wingnut can criticize, so tell us your "plan".

Contango

Re: "your 'plan'."

You don't 'really' care, you're just blathering, pacemaker boy.

Your moronic scheme IS: Believe in Obama and BIG socialist govt. End of story, fatso.

The Big Dog's back

OK, so you don't have a plan deuce pooh. What else is new. Just a cranky old white man being a cranky old white man. Good thing your ilk is dying off.

deertracker

Agreed!

Donegan

Oh look a racist!

coasterfan

I agree 100% with ThinkAgain. My wife has taught in both inner city Toledo and currently teaches in the Gifted Program in a much more affluent area. The teachers in both schools were good to excellent, but there is a huge difference in the amount of parental involvement and a huge difference in the effort put forth by the students.

Even the best teacher cannot make things work if the parents/students don't care and don't do their part, and, sad to say, that scenario is quite common. In Toledo a few years ago, the entire teaching staff in a failing school was replaced with award-winning successful teachers brought in from other buildings/districts. The results were the same, because nothing was done to address the poor effort/involvement of the parents/students.

Obama is fostering discussion on this problem, which, quite obviously, cannot be solved by one person. Once again, it's Democrats who are attempting to do something about a problem. And once again, it's Republicans who sit idly by doing nothing, while they complain about Democrats' efforts to fix a problem. Thanks for reminding me why I vote Democrat.

Contango

Re: "replaced with award-winning successful teachers"

And "successful" was determined how? How were they compensated?

Surely they didn't move out of a sense of altruism?

Econ 10l: Supply and demand. Limited supply and greater demand equals increases in costs.

Dems: Throw money at it. Simple & stupid.

Gotta think outside the failed Marxist box.

Contango

Re: "currently teaches in the Gifted Program in a much more affluent area."

So out of a sense of bleeding heart liberal altruism, why doesn't she return to the inner city and teach those poor unfortunate children that wrongheaded entitlement Dem programs have helped to create?

anthras

I do feel that the lack of support by the parents is a big factor however there are others.

Senator Kennedy was a very strong supporter of no child left behind and there was an interesting article in one of my past issues of the "Mensa Research Journal" advising the intent of the bill was for the teachers to close the gap between the accelerated learners and the slower learners. The teachers were asked to upgrade the slower learners however they found it easier to just pay less attention to the accelerated learners and lower them closer to the slower learners ergo closing the gap by doing less work.

KnuckleDragger

Ah yes the all knowing holysee speaks from the backside yet again. Much like that know-it-all coasternut, you follow the liberal mantra of "because I feel it, I say it. Because I say it, it is true." Well since your lazy, entitled mentality prevents you from doing research prior to spouting off, I took the liberty of doing it for you.

While teacher practices are important to parental involvement. Practices alone will not fix the problem. There are so many studies that point to the importance of parental involvement, it is mind boggling. Even the NEA recognizes that there should be a focus on parental involvement in education. You dolts will support anything this President spoon feeds you, which is why you lack credibility.

From the Michigan Dept of Ed.
http://www.michigan.gov/document...

From a Vanderbilt Univ. study on parental involvement.

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/peabod...

There you go again

And you know that because....?

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2cents

"Education Department investing $4.2 million"

Why do they think more $$ make things better, it seems that Washington thinks throwing more $$ at anything can solve problems?

holysee

Most problems cost money to solve. Almost everything takes money.
No guarantee of problem resolution, but it's always gonna cost more.
Life is expensive and saying that money won't solve anything is a shot in the dark.

coasterfan

Why do Republicans think that reducing funding to Education will solve the problem?

Everything costs money, including solutions. The bigger question is: why do conservatives think that by doing nothing will solve anything?

Contango

Re: "conservatives think that by doing nothing will solve anything?"

A fallacious straw man argument; typical of American liberalism where anything outside of Marxist thought is ridiculed.

KnuckleDragger

Please explain why many schools with the lowest amount of per pupil spending continuously outperform those that spend the most? Why do liberals believe that throwing more money at a failure will all of the sudden change the results when history shows that is not the case.

Contango

Re: "ask states to develop plans to make sure very (sic) student has an effective teacher."

And an "effective teacher" is measured how?

What's to be done with the thousands of 'ineffective' teachers?

Sophistry. Just more looney, feel-good nonsense.

* With the numerous spelling errors, it would appear that the writer of this article had an 'ineffective' teacher. :)

Darwin's choice

obama calling teachers inadequate? I'll bet they overwhelmingly vote for the democratic party again!
obama the fool.

obama/failing

Contango

Re: "Obama credits education and good teachers for helping him get to the White House."

Would he care to put some meat on those bones and elaborate on this?

KnuckleDragger

All those excellent teachers and for some reason he is still so embarrassed by his education records that he won't release them to the public.

There you go again

You hit the nail on he head, KnuckleDragger!

SamAdams

If you're right that the vote by teachers for Obama was "overwhelming," then I think you just proved Obama's contention that too many teachers ARE inadequate...

Fordman

I agree with There You Go Again. Holysee do you have kids? My wife is a great teacher and loves her students, but she can't get every student to love school and want to do their work. Some (most) kids are just plain lazy and don't want to do anything, hence the younger job applicants. Parents, Parents, Parents!!!! they just drop there kids with teachers and expect them to babysit, teach and raise them. for the little money they make.

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2cents

I feel that the paddle should be back on the wall and let teachers use it as necessary. A little punishment can go a long way for all students, more as embarrassment than pain!

Informed

That does nothing. when I was in school in the 70's, the bad kids would compete to see who would get the most "whacks".

OSUAV8TER

How about paying teaches more. Lots of work for little pay doesn't exactly recruit and retain the best and brightest teachers.

freespeech1

And what tree are we gonna get this money from? http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/...

Donegan

We already spend more and get less than any country. Throwing money at it does not work.http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s...
Here's a novel idea though, Why not lessen the power of the unions till they can fire a bad teacher to make room for good teachers?
http://teachersunionexposed.com/...

Informed

Bad teachers can be fired. The problem is that administrators don't do their jobs.

KnuckleDragger

LOL. The union mantra, "when all else fails, blame the management."

wetsu

Those successful schools you referenced in an earlier post tend to have fewer administrators as well, at least in this area (Lima). A closer look at the situation often reveals layer upon layer of administrators, highly compensated and part of the old boy network. They are the last ones who want to rock the boat.

Informed

It has nothing to do with union mantra and everything to do with the fact that bad teachers only keep their jobs because administration does not do their jobs to get rid of them. Any teacher can be fired for cause.

Informed

If a bad teacher is not fired, it is no one's fault but administration, since they are the ones doing the firing. I don't get your lack of understanding of this concept.

Donegan

The reason a lot of teachers are not fired is because the union makes impossible to do so without spending millions in litigation. That and most of the admins are filled with union lackys that are at the whim of the union stewardship. http://reason.com/archives/2006/...
Face it the unions could care less about the children, If they did care they would not put the children on the hook for billions for their retirement. http://trs.illinois.gov/press/fi...
(Thats just illinois)

Informed

That is a fallacy. It is very possible for fire a teacher without any litigation as long as administration does their job. The problems come into play when there isn't proper supervision, evaluations, and documentation.

Donegan

Its a sad reality when the union becomes involved. No matter what the teachers have done or do not do the union ALWAYS holds it up. They even have a name for it "the dance of the lemons" Look it up.

The Big Dog's back

dumb again, don't let facts get in the way of your right wingnut thinking.

Donegan

Thank you for being a prime example of the end result of faulty schooling and bad teachers dog.

Armymom7

Darwin, they will vote for Hillary because their unions will tell them to. And speaking of unions, why doesn't Obama address the problem thru them? I don't feel bad about their pay scale. They work 9 months a year with several other breaks and get to retire in their early 50's. The rest of us paying their wages have to wait at least 20 more years to get our social security (if it is still there)!

Contango

Re: "Hillary,"

Has a Wall St., campaign big money problem:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/0...

Should be interesting to see how she attempts to 'distance' herself. :)

coasterfan

Nah, we'll vote for Hillary because we have seen what the Republican Party stands for on economic and social issues. And we don't want any of that backwards-thinking 1950's nonsense.

Contango

Re: "we don't want any of that backwards-thinking 1950's nonsense."

'Cause you prefer to go even further back with 19th Century Marxist nonsense. :)

Donegan

You'll vote for Hillary because you do not have the brains to think for yourself. As long as it has a "D" behind it I'm pretty sure you would elect a pile dog sh*t.

mikeylikesit

you are correct sir. it has been proven..

freespeech1

You will vote for Hillary why? Heres some fine examples of the trash you and your ilk will vote for.

http://www.eohistory.info/2013/h...

http://conservativeamerican.org/...

http://patriotpost.us/pages/31

http://www.businessinsider.com/e...

Florence Nightingale

My husband is a teacher. I can assure you he would never vote for Hillary Clinton. I can also assure you he will not be retiring in his early 50s (I wish!). And if you think it's such a cake job, why don't you try it?

reader1

I want "better skilled families" sending children to school.

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2cents

+1

SamAdams

The best teachers in the world can't make kids pay attention in class, behave in school, attend school regularly, do their homework, or take some pride in having a work ethic.

While there can be no argument that unions protect a few bad teachers, I agree with all of those who say that the vast bulk of the responsibility (or irresponsibility, as the case may be) lies with bad parents.

Yes, kids deserve competent teachers. But don't they also deserve competent parents? Here's a thought: Stop social promotions. Hold parents responsible in some MEANINGFUL way for their kids' attendance and the completion of homework. Other countries spend less than we do and get better results simply because they DEMAND better results, and they make those demands not just of teachers but of those they teach.

coasterfan

I agree with Sam 100%.

My wife no longer assigns homework, because most of the kids either don't/won't do it, or their parents do it for them. If she then flunks a kid for not doing homework, the parents gripe to the school board/administration. Lazy parents see no need to take personal responsibility for their child's education; it's far easier to just complain that a teacher is being "unfair" or "expects too much".

When a child knows that the parent 1) doesn't place a priority on getting a good education, and 2) will always side with the child in a discussion with the teacher, the kid is sent a powerful message: it's ok to not do my schoolwork or put forth any effort/attention in class.

Fast forward 20 years, and the kids who paid attention in class have graduated from college, earn higher salaries and lead comfortable lives. The ones who didn't put forth any effort in high school, didn't go to college and now work in lower-paying professions for the same wages at age 40 that they received at age 20, and are easily recognizable by their angry anti-education rants (see above) and poor grammar/vocabulary skills. A large % of them seem to drift towards the teaparty, I've noticed...

Contango

Re: "The ones who didn't work in lower-paying professions,"

Or live off Democrat initiated federal unearned entitlement programs, thus creating a permanent underclass of unemployed who will help keep the looney liberals in power by voting for them.

Little wonder that countries like Korea where students are challenged are kicking the butt of the U.S. academically.

Public schools: For, of and by the teachers unions.

Interesting article:

"South Korean Tutor Makes $4 Million A Year. Can You?"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jame...

KnuckleDragger

Yes, because those of us with advanced degrees would never consider conservatism. ~

Donegan

"Fast forward 20 years, and the kids who paid attention in class have graduated from college, earn higher salaries and lead comfortable lives."
That would be true but Coasterfan and his ilk made it so instead of a comfortable life those hard working kids get to give up half their paycheck to reward those other kids who decided cranking out a kid every 9 months and leaching off the system is easier.
Rewarding failure only ends in one thing, More failure. Look to their god for a prime example.

KnuckleDragger

You also forgot that Coasterfan and his ilk are also complicit in the skyrocketing cost of a public university education. Now all these kids making "high salaries" have to subsist for the next 20 yrs on minimum wage because they are buried in debt.

Dr. Information

Does anyone else agree that welfare programs are there to keep the people poor? I for one do. Its just enough to live on and just enough to squeak by but it keeps people lazy and unmotivated.

Limit welfare and start teaching out children that work isn't a dirty 4 letter word.

SamAdams

Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime. GIVE a man a fish, and he'll vote Democrat until -- and often after! -- he dies.

deertracker

Name one dead voter Sham. Just one!

Contango

Re: "Name one dead voter,"

Chicago, 1960 when "Boss" Daley helped to hand Joe Kennedy's "bought" election to JFK.

"Some journalists also later claimed that mobster Sam Giancana and his Chicago crime syndicate played a role in Kennedy's victory in Illinois"

"Three Chicago election workers were convicted of voter fraud in 1962 and served short terms in jail. Mazo, the Herald-Tribune reporter, later said that he found names of the dead who had voted in Chicago, along with 56 people from one house"

Democrats are just slimier these days.

As is said in Chicago: Vote early and often.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni...

The Big Dog's back

54 years ago? Really deuce pooh?

deertracker

LOL!

Contango

Re: "LOL!"

Asked and answered. So special-ed honor students are that illiterate?

Contango

Re: "54 years ago?"

Mr. Low IQ can count! Remarkable!

Really are you ...

How about Obama push for better parenting. All of the single mothers or single fathers. Ha! Sirvival of the fittest! Ha, not so much anymore. The boom of social media has adults looking for the next biggest liar, partying, and sometimes drugs. A major downhill slide away from core family values. Where mom and or dad, but mother and father are not seperated, would be home after the kids get out of school to atleast talk to their children. Is the quality of teaching really failing? Negative. It is parental involvement in a child's life after school. Obama has a better chance of getting congress to negotiate.

Informed

There are married couples that are terrible parents, and single parents who are very good ones. You cannot bunch all people together.

Florence Nightingale

"Looney libs". "Right wingnuts". Let's just keep calling each other names, that will solve all the problems! Sam and Coaster have great points above (except Coaster had to throw a political dig in there). Wouldn't it be nice if we could just focus on the issues rather than descending into partisan sniping? But some of you must live for that - I've stopped reading the comments on most articles with Obama in the title, because it seems to generate mostly insults and no substance.

Darwin's choice

"no substance..."! Describes obama completely.

obama/failed

SanduskyMomOf3

And now you've proved her point.

There are failures on both sides of the aisle.

Really are you ...

The problem is where? Deep rooted in this problem is school aged children's education. Poll the kids. How are the teachers? Do the teachers answer your questions? How much time do you take to prepare for a test? How long does it take to do your homework? Do your parents help you find answers to questions you can not solve? On a scale of one to ten, 1 being poor to 10 being excellent, rate your experience at school. On a scale of one to ten, 1 being constant fighting to 10 being everything is great, rate life at home.
Find out where the real problem is. A teacher can not tell the President of the United States about the study habits of children in their class. But a parent should be able to tell the President of the United States about their children's study habits at home.

Coram Deo

Jimmy Carter's payback to the teacher's union, the Dept. of Education, should be summarily abolished. It's a huge waste of money and it has no Constitutional right to even exist. Education should rest in the hands of local school districts (we the people) not some care less bureaucrat who wants to control curriculum to indoctrinate our kids, think Common Core. George W. Bush's "No Child Left Behind" only emboldened the Progressive Left (aka Marxists) in their quest for centralized education. What was he thinking?

A couple of articles for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/arc...

wetsu

Absolutely correct. The last vestige of local control left to most communities is the ability to vote on levies. I propose we start the process of abolishing the DOE by getting rid of the ODE. The amount of waste and fraud taking place in Columbus is mind-boggling.

thinktwice

Obama the playa. He wants everyone to get a good education while destroying our economy and promoting the smoking of big fatties. The guy is a loser. More of a resident than a President.

deertracker

I think the most responsibility has to be put on the kids. Yes parents need to be more involved but in reality there's only so much a parent can do after the kid turns a certain age. Every mom is not a stay at home mom and dad, if he is there, is not always the best at making sure things get done. Sorry guys but that's just the way it is. Those of you that want to attack the President for trying to address the problem are simply attacking because you don't like the guy. What would you do? My dad NEVER checked my homework at all but I was on the honor roll every semester in my high school years. You have to make kids responsible but still, every kid may not do that well.

What would you do?

Contango

Re: "are simply attacking because you don't like the guy."

Who could not love that patented turd-eating shyster grin? :)

The Incompetent-in-Chief: Always wrong, but never in doubt.

Increased use of technology equates to a reduced need for highly compensated teachers (wages AND lifetime benefits) and greater use of mentors and helpers.

"Chancellor of New York City's Department of Education from 2002 to 2010, Joel Klein":

"We have a 19th-century classroom model in the 21st century."

http://reason.com/archives/2011/...

deertracker

What is your point? Even new technology has to be learned. Mentors and helpers will always be needed.

wetsu

No offense, my friend, but one could reasonably posit that the best educational system we ever had was the one room school house, differentiation and individual attention galore! Mr. Klein did little to nothing toward the improvement of NYC's schools although, to be fair, it is so mammoth and diverse that it is unlikely to see much improvement as the paradigm now stands. So his comments are not completely without merit. Unfortunately, many are now cashing in handsomely on educational initiatives like charter schools so greed again raises it's ugly head and bastardizes the attempt before it really gets off the ground. Google Gulen charter schools in Ohio for illumination.

Contango

Re: "Mr. Klein did little to nothing toward the improvement of NYC's schools although,"

Not unlike Michelle Rhee.

The ingrained malfeasance, fraud, abuse, corruption and waste runs very deep.

I have a relative that worked for Sandusky school system, he's got tons of stories of waste and incompetency.

Justme...

Your parents may not have checked your homework but they MUST have instilled responsibility in you along the way. You say "You have to make kids responsible...". WHO has to make kids responsible?? Do I have to make someone else's kids responsible? How am I supposed to do that? Does the president have to make kids responsible? Of course not. The PARENTS have to make kids responsible. I know plenty of households where both parents work, and yet they as a team make sure things get done. If you aren't ready to parent, don't become a parent.

deertracker

You nor anyone else can make every kid responsible and no one expects you to do that for all kids. Everyone has to make the kids be responsible and it starts with the parents. You do not live in a perfect world!

Justme...

Exactly. I thought you were giving parents a pass - sorry.

Contango

Re: "Everyone has to make the kids be responsible and it starts with the parents."

So how does your BIG govt. "make" someone "responsible."

You're spouting nonsense, per usual.

Honor student? Must of been a special-ed school. LMAO!!!

deertracker

Perkins!!!!!!!

OMG.LOL.WT_

GOP---Don't throw money away on education. Concentrate on the IMPORTANT stuff like Bengahzi.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/ar...

Contango

Re: "investing $4.2 million to help states and districts create the plans and put them into place."

Like spitting in the ocean, just more feel-good nonsense from the Jamoke-in-Chief.

OMG.LOL.WT_

So, how do you feel about $3.3 million to investigate Bengahzi?

Contango

Off-topic.

However, if this supposedly 'most transparent admin. in history' was forthcoming there would be little need.

Donegan

Obama wants to invest 3.7 BILLION on illegal immigrant kids. Not your kids mind you, your kids just have to shut up and pay it back at a later date.http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/08/po...

OMG.LOL.WT_

According to some, that's off topic.

Donegan

Its just showing the misappropriation of tax payers money.
"It's also investing $4.2 million to help states and districts create the plans and put them into place."
3.7 billion to illegals and 4.2 million to our schools. It shows who's children are more important to this admin.
Personally i do not believe throwing money at the problem is going to fix anything.

ohioengineer

There is a very effective program already in place to bring better schools to children in disadvantaged neighborhoods. It's called Charter Schools and (dare I say it?) tuition credits. These schools provide an opportunity for students who live in school districts served by substandard public schools to get a better education.

Charter Schools routinely outperform their public school counterparts and do not require huge investments of public funds. Yet instead of encouraging these bright rays of success in our inner cities, the educational establishment and politicians (i.e., the Democratic Party) throw up roadblock after roadblock. These tactics display in bold letters why our educational crisis will continue to deepen: the powers-that-be are not interested in solving a problem; rather they are only interested in building a constituency.

Darwin's choice

Good post, and absolutely right!

obama/failing

Informed

Where are you getting this information? Many charter schools are terrible, they divert public money from public schools, and do not have the same criteria that regular schools must follow.

notforme

Where exactly are you getting your information about charter schools outperforming public schools?
All the information that I have seen about charter school performance in Ohio shows that they are not performing as well as the public schools. That is not to say that there are not good charter schools, or that they could not be good schools, but right now, they are not doing as well as our public schools.http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...

mikeylikesit

we should push for a better skilled president.

meg a

send your child to school well-rested, well-nourished, and with expectations to do his/her best, and that teacher can do his/her job

fluffy

Want to better education. dump common core.