Ruling impact on birth-control coverage mixed

Business owner: "Framing this as an issue of contraception is wrong. It's a battle against bullying by the government, telling us what to do"
Associated Press
Jul 3, 2014

 

Business owners who don't want to pay for their employees' birth control are ending that coverage after the Supreme Court said they could choose on grounds of religious belief not to comply with part of the health care law.

Some owners are already in touch with their brokers in the wake of Monday's ruling.

Triune Health Group Ltd. wants to know how soon it can change its coverage to stop paying for all contraceptives, said Mary Anne Yep, co-owner of the Oak Brook, Illinois company that provides medical management services.

"We were ready to go when we heard the decision," she said. Triune had filed lawsuits against the U.S. government and the state of Illinois because of requirements that they pay for contraception.

The Supreme Court ruled that some businesses can, because of their religious beliefs, choose not to comply with the health care law's requirement that contraception coverage be provided to workers at no extra charge. The 5-4 ruling has the Obama administration looking for another way to provide birth control for women who work for those companies.

The ruling applies to businesses that are closely held, generally defined as having five or fewer individuals owning more than 50 percent of the company's stock. By some estimates, 90 percent of businesses are closely held and employ about half the nation's workforce.

But many companies are likely to continue providing coverage for birth control — a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation found 85 percent of large employers already paid for contraceptives before the health care law required it. Many owners believe it's an important benefit that helps them attract and retain good workers.

Even employers who want to opt out of some forms of birth-control coverage see covering others as important.

"We want to provide for good health care for our people. We just don't want to fund abortive procedures," said Mike Sharrow, owner of C12 Group in San Antonio. His company, which provides faith-based counseling for business owners, has always paid for what he calls traditional forms of contraception, such as birth-control pills.

Business owners interviewed by The Associated Press that don't want to pay for contraceptive coverage said their insurers were still trying to figure out how to change their policies. It's possible employees might still be able to get birth-control coverage through their plans, but pay for that portion of their insurance themselves.

The contraceptives at issue in Monday's decision are two known as morning-after pills, the emergency contraceptives Plan B and ella; and two intrauterine devices, which are implantable devices inserted into the uterus to prevent pregnancy. Many owners objected to them because they believe they may work after conception occurs. However, on Tuesday, the court left in place lower court rulings in other cases that allowed businesses to refuse to pay for all methods of government-approved contraception.

The case decided by the Supreme Court involved two companies, Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties Corp. About 50 others also filed suit against the health care law's contraception requirement. Some received court injunctions allowing them not to pay for birth control; the Supreme Court's ruling is expected to allow them to continue that policy.

Weingartz Inc., which has five stores in Michigan selling lawn mowers and other outdoor equipment, stopped paying for all contraception, except when medically needed, since it won an injunction.

"We don't believe anybody else shouldn't have access to it. We just can't pay for it," said Dan Weingartz, the company's president.

But Joe Holland Chevrolet in South Charleston, West Virginia, and Hastings Automotive Inc. in Hastings, Minnesota, opposed post-conception forms of birth control only, said Matt Bowman, an attorney representing both auto dealerships.

"Our clients have no problems with things that are truly contraceptive," Bowman said.

Christian publisher Tyndale House Publishers Inc., which also filed a lawsuit, expects the Supreme Court ruling to clear the way for it to stop paying for morning-after pills and IUDs.

"We believe that those family businesses should have the religious freedom not to offer abortion-causing items through their employee health care program," Tyndale CEO Mark Taylor said in a statement. The Carol Stream, Illinois, company publishes Christian books.

The businesses contacted by The Associated Press all said their greatest concern was the government forcing them to pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs.

"Framing this as an issue of contraception is wrong. It's a battle against bullying by the government, telling us what to do," said Yep, the Triune Health Group owner.

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Contango

"Roughly 90% of all companies in the U.S. are closely held,"

Chipping away at the fascistic Obamacare, piece by piece.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/h...

The Big Dog's back

So what's next pooh, SS and Medicare? Women's rights? Oh wait, Repubs are already trying to do that.

Contango

Re: "SS and Medicare,"

Deflection and off-topic.

freespeech1

This make you proud puppy doo?

Planned Parenthood claims its business is “women’s healthcare,” but its recent award certificate to a Colorado abortion clinic for “exceeding abortion visits [in the] first half of FY12 compared to the first half of FY13,” affirms that its most valued business is abortion.

The Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, the second largest Planned Parenthood facility in the United States, gave the award to its Aurora abortion clinic.

As CNS News.com reports, the photo of the award was taken by a former worker who saw it posted on a bulletin board in Denver that displays awards earned by satellite clinics.

The award certificate confirms that Planned Parenthood clinics are given abortion “quotas” to meet and that the Aurora clinic had “exceeded” expectations.

Former Planned Parenthood director and pro-life advocate Abby Johnson wrote about the award certificate at her blog, “And Then There Were None,” on Monday:

Ever since I left Planned Parenthood, I have been talking about the abortion quotas that are established inside abortion facilities. Many abortion supporters refused to believe it, citing that surely Planned Parenthood wants abortion to be safe, legal and RARE. If they want something to be RARE, they certainly wouldn't have quotas, right?

Last year, Planned Parenthood reported a net revenue of $1.21 billion, and received $540.6 million in U.S. taxpayer funding.

Dr. Information

Hobby Lobby pays 93% MORE than minimum wage AND still COVERS 16/20 birth control measures. Liberals hate facts.

The Big Dog's back

You hate the fact that they deal with a country, China, which has mandatory abortion.

vcreed123

Was that a question or a statement? If it was a response to Dr. Info it doesn't make sense in the context of either.

Contango

Re: "China, which has mandatory abortion."

Prove it with a link, dog breath.

The Big Dog's back
Contango
corey510

Like^ (dr. Information'd post)

anthras

dr Information says"Hobby Lobby pays 93% MORE than minimum wage AND still COVERS 16/20 birth control measures. Liberals hate facts."

I do agree with the Dr. and all the persons advising they are taking away a woman's reproductive health rights I cannot understand where they are reading that. They are not taking away any woman's rights they just do not wish to pay for 4 of the items while paying for 16.

The woman still has every right to go to a Dr. get a prescription then go to a pharmacy buy the item and then take it. See no one took that right away from her.

Because the insurance will not pay for my hearing aids can I then say they took away my hearing rights ? No I cannot say that because I did have the right to spend $3000 to purchase the aids myself.

If Obamacare is forcing the coverage for birth control items and not hearing aids it seems that they feel that having sex is more important than hearing.

From the Grave

Business owners don't want the government telling them what to do, but yet they want to be able to tell their employees what to do.

JJr12

And you have a problem with that? The government doesn't sign the business owners paycheck. The great thing about America is if you don't like your employer or are unhappy with the medical coverage they provide, you can leave and get a job with a different company. If your religious beliefs don't align with the business owners beliefs and how he wants to run "THEIR" company then find a different job that aligns more with your beliefs. It's that simple.

The Big Dog's back

Religious beliefs has nothing to do with this. Should we throw out all pollution controls for companies?

Contango

Re: "Should we throw out all pollution controls for companies?"

Deflection and off-topic.

grumpy

"Religious beliefs has nothing to do with this."

That is not what the Supreme Court found. Let's see do we believe the sworn statements made in various courts leading up to SCOTUS... or do we believe what some anonymous poster on a newspaper blog called piddle puppy? Not even close in deciding which to believe.

Since the premise of the rest of your claim is based on an untruth, it is not worth even commenting on the rest of your flawed statement.

Dr. Information

Off topic dog breath. Next.

Kmf1984

They didn't say employees could not use birth control. They just don't support the use of birth control by paying for it. Also, the do cover some forms. Condoms aren't hard to get ahold of either

vcreed123

So far I have loved reading the liberal commentators on this ruling and how it's another attack on women's reproductive rights. It's obvious most libs are either completely uneducated on this ruling or we've spiraled so far down the rabbit hole of entitlement there is no recovery. I'll lay it out for our liberal friends right now HOBBY LOBBY STILL PROVIDES 16 TYPES OF BIRTH CONTROL COMPLETELY FREE, THE ABORTION PILL IS STILL AVAILABLE, YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY FOR IT YOURSELF. I know, I know, liberals believe they shouldn't have to pay for anything but if 16 types of free birth control is not enough I think you need to re-evaluate your life.

The Big Dog's back

I'll spell it out loud and clearly for you, why does H L deal with a country that has mandatory abortions? Where's their religious convictions?

By the way, The Big Dog is Back!

vcreed123

This doesn't have anything to do with ACA and how it forces employers to provide birth control options, unless you have an actual argument don't bother responding to me.

The Big Dog's back

You're not even in my class vcreed. You should be honored that I responded to you.

Contango

Re: "You're not even in my class vcreed."

Deflection and off-topic. You're battin' zero, dog breath.

The Big Dog's back

I only respond to you to keep you off the bottle.

Contango

^^^ Proof anesthesia kills brain cells.

vcreed123

This guy is a waste of oxygen, not a single intelligent, factual, argument so far, every post is nothing but fluff

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2cents

So why do you go to a store and buy anything, when a lot of these products are made in China or contain components made in China by sometimes slave labor and they pollute to no end?

vcreed123

Was that to me or Big dog?

The Big Dog's back

Because I'm not against abortion, so I'm not a hypocrite like you right wingnuts. So you agree with me that our companies that do business with China should pay a premium tax because of their actions?

Contango

Re: "companies that do business with China should pay a premium tax because of their actions?"

Deflection and off-topic.

Contango

Re: "By the way, The Big Dog is Back!"

Were you ever 'really' here or was it just the continual din of looney blather?

The Big Dog's back

No I wasn't here, I had open heart surgery. Just now getting back in the saddle.

Contango

Re: "open heart surgery."

So your obesity 'finally' caught up with you - not surprised.

And I should give a sh*t why?

The Big Dog's back

Because you asked. So obesity is the only reason you would have heart surgery? Good thing my Doctor doesn't believe that and fixed what he had to fix.

grumpy

"my Doctor doesn't believe that and fixed what he had to fix."

Good to have you back puppy. Just remember...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...

The Big Dog's back

LOL. You can be funny once in awhile. And thanks.

grumpy

Your doc couldn't fix one thing though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...

The Big Dog's back

I'd rather have you act like this than spreading right wing pooh.

Contango

Re: " obesity is the only reason you would have heart surgery,"

You're fat - admit it.

Smoker too huh?

deertracker

Hope you are feeling okay BD!

The Big Dog's back

I'm getting there. They really did some extensive work. 8 hours worth. Thanks.

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The Hero Zone

While you and I certainly trade comments, I am not without compassion for a fellow human being. Especially one going through such a surgery. I'm glad you are well and I hope your recovery is without complication.

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thinkagain

Hope you’re doing better now. Now that you’ve seen mortality for what it is, tell me, any new thoughts on an afterlife?

The Big Dog's back

And my insurance paid all but $2100. Thanks Obama.

Contango

Re: "Thanks Obama."

You're on Medicare, eh old fart?

Think that was that murderous LBJ, dog breath.

No wonder you love socialism.

The Big Dog's back

No I'm not on Medicare. Company insurance.

SamAdams

Why are you thanking Obama for your company insurance? Did your company not offer insurance coverage to its employees until Obama told them to?

The Big Dog's back

No, because they could have considered it a pre-existing condition.

SamAdams

Pre-existing has what, for lack of a better term, I'd call a "statute of limitations." You're only not covered for "pre=existing conditions" for a certain amount of time after which it's covered as if it was a new condition.

So again I ask you: Did you not have company health insurance prior to Obama's messing with the system?

SummerhomenSomrnot

bd pre-exsisting smoker>(HEAVY)

deertracker

Next question Sham?

Contango

Re: "Company insurance."

Then why thank Mr. Obama? Did he personally pay for the bother of saving your fat tush?

Nemesis

So, Dog, to bring up the unavoidable corollary to your comment is that, if they did not deal with China, you would enthusiastically support the ruling? If not, then their dealings with China are irrelevant.

The Big Dog's back

So you really don't see the hypocrisy with H L?

grumpy

I see H L not having to buy insurance to allow an "abortion' to occur. From China they buy products. Do you see any difference between the two thing that H L is buying? H L is not buying things from China that allows "abortions" to occur. Yeah I fail to see a direct corralation there.

Nemesis

I'm neither denying nor confirming any hypocrissy; I'm disputing the relevance of its existence, OR nonexistence, to the topic. Your mention of it implies it is relevant as a justification for your objections to the decision, but we both know it is trivial to find situations where the precedent applies but the claim of hypocrissy falls flat, under which circumstances, your objection to the decision becomes baseless.

corey510

Vcreed: your comment is awesome! This decision only effects medications that terminate a pregnancy after conception. Abortion pills, not "birth control"

meowmix

I dropped into a church the other day and guess who was there? Why, Hobby Lobby sat in the front pew, Chick-A-Fil, Freshway Foods, Conestoga Wood, Domino's Farms, Sioux Chief Mfg. along with a host of other corporations were also there. My, how devout they are.

Contango

Re: "I (snip)"

Reads like a dream, a psychotic delusion or a drunken stupor. Which was it?

Enjoy your fascistic future.

deertracker

You know all about drunken stupors!!!!!!!

Contango

Re: "drunken stupors,"

Only in your psychotic delusion, pipsqueak.

SamAdams

You need look no further than this very article to see that the vast majority of employer-provided health insurance policies included birth control long before King Obama issued any mandates!

I agree: This isn't JUST about religious freedom (though that's important). It's about government forcing companies and citizens alike to buy or do whatever it determines is "good for you," is "for the children," or whatever.

Remember: "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, and the creed of slaves." William Pitt (the younger).

Now read that again, and recognize the simple truth of it. I realize that that really is what SOME of you want. But I also guarantee you that it's not what the vast majority of us want! (In truth, you won't want it, either, once you're forced to live under such tyranny for a little while).

P.S. Is anybody else looking forward to a day when we have another imperial president, one that Big Dog, Coasterfan, etc. DON'T blindly worship? I'll bet they'll holler louder than anybody about the "unfair" and "unconstitutional" edicts coming out of Washington THEN!

freespeech1

Great post sam, just wait till the employer mandate kicks in, defecation will hit the rotating oscillator. And now we see 2.9 million illegals are on obamacare, form the words of Joe Wilson "you lie" Obama.

SamAdams

There's a reason the employer mandate was delayed, and I can express that reason in one word: ELECTION. You're right about the effects of the mandate and, when it DOES kick in, there's not a man or woman in Congress who voted for Obamacare who'd survive the fallout. Too bad many businesses, vast swaths of the middle class, and our economy itself won't likely survive the fallout, either.

coasterfan

I don't blindly worship Obama. I DO, however, know that - even with his imperfections (and he does a lot that frustrates us Democrats), he is a far, far, FAR better option than a Republican President.

Have to laugh every time teabaggers whip out the "tyranny" teabagger card. Obama is doing nothing that previous Presidents haven't also done, but these loonies are somehow able to turn a blind eye. These are folks who supported SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, and we're supposed to take them seriously as "patriots"? They are a pox upon America, and luckily, are a shrinking, wingnut minority.

The Big Dog's back

Agreed!

deertracker

Agreed too!

Dr. Information

Oh imagine that.....the 3 stooges agree with each other. lol.

grumpy

"Obama is doing nothing that previous Presidents haven't also done,"

SCOTUS doesn't agree with your statement, by a majority of 9 to 0, in his belief that he could make recess appointment while the Senate is still in session. That is one and I could do more, but one makes your statement wrong so why should I bother, when you can search the web rather easily to find more cases.

Contango

Re: "I don't blindly worship Obama."

So you worship him with your eyes opened wide? Not surprised.

Re: "Obama is doing nothing,"

Got that right!

Nemesis

More to the point, Sam, at least two pharmacies in town charge $5/month for the Pill. That's significantly less than my (and I suspect most peoples') prescription copay.

SamAdams

Big Dog likes to pretend that the Hobby Lobby decision effectively limits women's choices (assuming, that is, you consider killing your baby a "choice," but I digress...).

It doesn't, and that's true REGARDLESS of the cost. The fact that it's not only available but CHEAP just adds insult to injury, doesn't it.

coasterfan

In a nutshell: our Supreme Court believes that corporations are people, but women are not. How else to explain that they feel a corporation should trump a woman's control over her own medical issues?

The irony, of course, is that conservatives don't like to pay for welfare and other public programs that support children in need. They also aren't in favor of abortion. So, they don't want to support kids after they're born, but since they're against abortion and contraception, ALSO don't support responsible, common sense strategies that will keep unwanted children from being born in the first place.

It costs a lot less to fund contraception than it does to provide for a child after it is born, which conservatives are dearth to do. Let's hope we don't hear them whining about rising welfare costs, since their platform on birth control, job creation, minimum wage and healthcare make it virtually certain that poor people will need more government assistance.

SamAdams

Oh, please DO share how the Supreme Court, Hobby Lobby, or anybody else in this case has in any way "trumped a woman's control over her own medical issues."

Has the High Court ordered doctors not to prescribe certain treatments? Has Hobby Lobby erected barriers around pharmacies? Has Congress passed a law prohibiting access to Plan B?

What you're REALLY saying is that you view freebies as a right. Are you ready to admit THAT? And to explain to the rest of us just how you think anybody should do anything if it's all handed to them anyway?

The Big Dog's back

Actually they are discriminating against working women. But hey, you wouldn't know anything about the "W" word.

deertracker

Is that "women" or "working" or both?

SamAdams

Well, given that I'm a woman who has always worked, those can't be the "w" words I don't know anything about. But I'll admit I'd certainly take great pleasure in hearing all that you personally know and can relate to concerning working women! (Just FYI, I'll only take any of your true knowledge of women seriously if you're prepared to tell me that your insurance policy covered your sex change operation, too...)

The Big Dog's back

Maybe YOU need to have a heart operation so they can put one in.

grumpy

Can't deal with the substance of her post so you attack the person posting? Reads like you can't refute her contention. I am not surprised you attack a person when you can't dispute their statements. It is the sign of defeat. As I pointed out before, your doctor can't fix stupid, and you really can't go through life being fat, drunk, and stupid.

Contango

Re: "Maybe YOU,"

More proof that anesthesia kills brain cells. You can't afford much more damage.

vcreed123

Again, another pointless of topic argument, you make no sense. Are you saying that because only 16 of 20 birth control methods are covered for FREE that they are some how discriminating against women??

Nemesis

"In a nutshell: our Supreme Court believes that corporations are people, but women are not. How else to explain that they feel a corporation should trump a woman's control over her own medical issues?"

The parade of fools claiming that this somehow involved a violation of the employees' rights is getting tiresome.

So, you claim that they are denying these employees' rights to birth control by not paying for it.

By your reasoning, my employer is denying my First Amendment rights because they won't buy me ad time during the Super Bowl to air my complaints about the president.

Also by your reasoning, they are denying my Second Amendment rights because they aren't handing out free AR-15's with our paychecks.

Keep in mind, those are first tier, got their own amendments, enumerated constitutional rights, unlike this product of "penumbras and emanations" pulled from some justices' backsides.

Once more, slowly - THE RIGHT TO HAVE/DO SOMETHING DOES NOT EQUAL THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE PAY FOR IT.

But, hey, Coaster, I get it; logic is hard for you.

SamAdams

Wait...I'm supposed to get an AR-15 with my paycheck??? Maybe Big Dog's right, and I AM being discriminated against! Hah.

Nemesis

What's good for the goose....

OMG.LOL.WT_

My goodness, Cantango is in a cantankerous mood today.

The Big Dog's back

A couple of shots of Kessler's and he will get over it.

deertracker

If only he could stop at a couple!!!!!

Contango

Re: "My goodness,"

^^^ The Three Stooges have chimed in. :)

puddin95

We need a hobby lobby here.