Bill Clinton defends wife's commitment to poor

Former president says his family's personal wealth is "wrong debate"
Associated Press
Jun 25, 2014

 

Bill and Hillary Clinton pointed to ways to bolster the economy and achieve broad-based prosperity, responding to weeks of criticism over their wealth ahead of a potential 2016 presidential bid by the former secretary of state.

The Clintons joined forces at an annual meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative America on Tuesday to talk about approaches to reduce the gap between the rich and poor — a potent issue within the Democratic party — and harness corporate and non-profit know-how to hire and mentor struggling young workers.

The former president, in an on-stage interview with NBC News, defended the former first lady's commitment to the poor and working Americans, saying his family's post-presidential wealth had not diminished Mrs. Clinton's understanding of the economic plight of many U.S. families.

"She's not out of touch," Mr. Clinton declared, noting that in law school his future wife sought legal assistance for the poor and later advocated for paid leave for new mothers during the 1970s.

The former first lady, who is considering another White House campaign, told ABC News earlier this month that her family was saddled with legal bills and "dead broke" when they left the White House in early 2001. Republicans have seized on the remarks and her comments in other interviews, pointing to the millions of dollars the family has earned since the end of Clinton's presidency.

More than two years before the next presidential election, GOP officials have sought to undermine Hillary Clinton's standing with working-class families who have been supportive of the family's political campaigns in the past. If she runs for president, Republicans say Mrs. Clinton could be vulnerable to charges of being a Washington insider insulated by private jets and six-figure speaking fees at a time when many Americans struggle.

The tactic could represent a payback of sorts after Democrats portrayed Republican Mitt Romney as a plutocrat during the 2012 presidential campaign.

During the interview, the ex-president told NBC's David Gregory that his family's personal wealth was the "wrong debate" and the focus should be on how political leaders address "the central challenge of our time which is the demise of the American dream."

With the gap between the rich and poor on the minds of many Americans, Bill Clinton said most Americans do not resent someone doing well financially. "I think they resent it if they're not getting a fair deal," he said.

He also said the couple visits their local grocery store on weekends like anyone else. "We talk to people in our town. We know what's going on."

Hillary Clinton did not address the debate over the family's wealth at the meeting but announced projects to create job opportunities for young people. The initiatives by companies like The Gap, JPMorgan Chase and Marriott to train and hire young people.

The project, called "Job One," aimed to help young people age 16-24 who are out of school and unemployed. Students preparing for the workforce in the aftermath of the recession have faced persistently high unemployment levels at rates about twice the national average.

"For those who don't get a college education or even high school, most doors just won't open, no matter how hard they knock," the former first lady said. A longtime child advocate, Clinton also announced projects aimed at promoting brain development and literacy for babies and toddlers.

The event took on the air of a Clinton alumni association, with several former members of Clinton's White House team in attendance, including former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and former Clinton economic adviser Gene Sperling. An afternoon news conference put Mr. Clinton alongside longtime labor allies such as AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers union.

Yet even in a roomful of Clinton admirers, the debate got spirited at times. During a panel discussion on economic justice, Mr. Clinton and former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina — an ex-adviser to Romney — tangled over the merits of raising the minimum wage and the role of government in the economy.

When Fiorina suggested the Obama administration was crushing the coal industry in West Virginia, Clinton interjected. "Who had the smallest government workforce since Eisenhower? Me." Fiorina responded, "That's right. You declared the era of big government over."

"Yeah, but I didn't declare the era of weak government that had nobody at home at the SEC before the financial crisis," Clinton said to roars of approval, referencing complaints that the Securities and Exchange Commission failed to effectively police Wall Street.

 

Comments

jazzbo

O boy , here we go !

JudgeMeNot

Maybe we should all chip in and rescue poor Hillary from her plight? It's heartbreaking to know she is in such financial straights.

freespeech1

Then Hilderbeast needs to quit bringing up the fact she was so called broke. That being said, name one just one accomplishment this woman has done. There aren't any!!! Her question back when she was running for the dem nod was "will you answer the 3 am phone call"? We all seen she didn't, and 4 Americans died in Benghazi. "what difference at this point does it make"? Just like Obama voters who voted for him just because of race, these same idiots will vote for her just because shes a woman. Good bye America.

deertracker

Get a life and an education!

freespeech1

That's all you have to come back with? Typical lib. How about you answer the question! What has she accomplished? (as crickets chirp)

meowmix

http://www.thefamouspeople.com/p...

Yet, I'm sure you felt quitter Sarah Palin was just fine and dandy to serve as our vice president. Idiot.

Contango

Re: "Furthermore, she (Clinton) prominently advocated U.S. military intervention in Libya and was at the forefront of US response to Arab Springs.'

So how's that "Arab Spring" goin'?

Libya worked out well too didn't it?

deertracker

Libya was a CIA operation and it worked out as planned!

freespeech1

I didn't support palin and where did I even mention her name? Nice try though. Why so hostile? All I asked was a simple question, and by your lame response you cant answer it. So whos the idiot?

jazzbo

you

can't you tell?
It's easy.

There you go again

Ok, I read Hillary's biography. She went to high school, she became a lawyer, she supports blah-blah issues. The question still remains....What has Hillary done that was so exceptional?

JudgeMeNot

Hillary and Bill made millions from her Book deal selling 300,000 to the AFL-CIO Union memebers.

freespeech1

Heres a blast from the past!! You libs all remember Sandy Burgler (Berger) stealing classified documents to cover al Slick Willies butt!

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was sentenced Thursday to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them.

coasterfan

No different than the millions of conservatives who voted for McCain and Romney because they "would never vote for a black man"...

anthras

Re:"No different than the millions of conservatives who voted for McCain and Romney because they "would never vote for a black man"

Cfan, Per your statement alluding to voting for a black man can I assume that you did vote for Ken Blackwell in lieu of Ted Strickland ?

I do not have any problem voting for a black man as I did vote for Ken and I have just sent a very substantial donation to Dr. Ben Carson. If you would like to learn about a real man I would suggest you read his book "America the Beautiful"

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JMOP

Just because her parents were "dead broke" leaving the White House, Chelsea Clinton didn't want to worry about making a lot of money. She doesn't think making $600,000 per year at NBC is a lot of money?
Biden isn't that "rich" either, well according to him.
Yes, they are out of touch with the average American, or at least they want to try to fool some into thinking they're not.

Weallhavevoices

I can't wait to vote for her! If hubby helps great!!! 8 years wasn't long enough for his term, good times back then for working people especially after screwed up Reagan years

freespeech1

Oh yes good times, the housing crisis(which was caused by his policies , nafta, but tell me, why are you so hell-bent on voting for someone that has ZERO accomplishments? Kinda like the tool in the oval office now huh? But what do we expect from low information voters.

deertracker

Get a life PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

freespeech1

Again answer the question! What has she accomplished?

Contango

Re: "What has she accomplished?"

I'll take "Hillary Clinton" for $200 Alex.

A: She set a record for this as Secy. of State.

What is: She covered more miles in the fewest number of days than any previous Secy. of State?

That is correct.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/...

And THAT is a qualification to be POTUS? LOL.

Contango

Re: "Reagan years,"

Pres. Clinton's admin. changed few Reagan admin. policies. It was more like a continuation.

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JMOP

Do you know who was the majority in the House and Senate when all these good times were happening? Might wanna give credit where credit is due.

Tourist

Chortle. They live in Chappaqua NY. "Money Magazine reports that the annual family income of families in Chappaqua is $219,000."
http://www.weewestchester.com/20...

"Families choose to put down roots in Chappaqua because it’s a quiet, safe family-friendly town where the children of CEOs go to school with kids who live in nearby condominiums and townhomes. Living in Chappaqua certainly carries a level of cache, and it was part of the town’s identity before the Clintons decided to put down roots there."

Contango

Mr. Clinton: "wrong debate"

Typical lib; when in doubt, attempt to deflect the focus of the discussion.

The Clintons are estimated to be worth somewhere between $30-$50 million.

The socialist propaganda: Rich Dems - good. All others - bad.

Altruism and caring pays very well in DC.

deertracker

It's the wrong debate pooh. He didn't steal anything from you did he? Is your truck load of Kessler's missing?

meowmix

lololololo----

downthemiddle

actually she and Bill did steal from us... quite a lot of White House artifacts and other furnishings that were there all along.

...And they trashed the place on the way out.. it looked like it had been ransacked.... which it was.

meowmix

Actually--they didn't.....
A formal review by the General Accounting Office, Congress’ investigative agency, “had found no damage to the offices of the White House’s East or West Wings or EOB” and that Bush’s own representatives had reported “there is no record of damage that may have been deliberately caused by the employees of the Clinton administration.”
Another Faux News dish, lapped up and swallowed "downthemiddle" by the gullible masses.

Contango

@ meowmix:

But WH staff did "steal" boxes out of Vince Foster's office prior to the arrival of Park Police.

"Secret Service agent Henry O' Neill watched as Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Margaret Williams, carried boxes of papers out of Vincent Foster's office before the Park Police showed up to seal it,"

Tampering with possible evidence - criminal behavior.

What were they hiding?

Debunk that.

Ms. Clinton has a track record that's wider than an 8-lane Hwy.

She's heading for an early exit.

Donegan

The Clintons are just scam artist that have in the past and by the looks of it the future convinced feeble minded followers into making them richer by electing them to offices they should never have held.

Contango

What the Democrat-liberal-progressive-socialists have done for states like RI, Mrs. Clinton as POTUS along with her wealthy, elitist cabal can CERTAINLY do for the entire U.S.

"Among the issues frequently cited by these rankings is an onerous regulatory environment in Rhode Island, the condition of the state's infrastructure and a high cost of doing business,"

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101766880

deertracker

The Marxist knows all. NOT!

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2cents

"Bill Clinton defends wife's commitment to poor"
It should read
"Bill Clinton defends wife's commitment to (be) poor"
At leaset according to her.

Weallhavevoices

Clinton 2016 yes!!!

jazzbo

Clinton 2016 - 2024 !!!

meowmix

ABOSOLUTELY Weallhavevoices & Jazzbo!!!

HILLARY CLINTON--2016: When all the racists become sexists! :}

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The Hero Zone

Well who can argue against that?

Contango

Gotta love these brain-dead Clintonoids (former Obamabots) who just expect that Ms. Clinton will be magically coronated in 2016.

Yea, VP Biden's just gonna roll over for her! LOL.

jazzbo

Gotta love these brain-dead Libertarians who think they have a chance.

meowmix

Truly.

freespeech1

Ok all you Hillary supporters, so far all of you have done nothing but name call and act infantile, what in the hell has she done to deserve to be president? What accomplishments has she made? Since you all voted for Obama, the answers clear.

meowmix

Go visit the web site I posted for you above. You don't think being a State Senator and this Nation's Secretary of State isn't an accomplishment????????????

Of course you wouldn't --being able to shoot a moose and quit a job mid-stream is more your type of woman's accomplishment. Again I say, Idiot.

Contango

Re: "Again I say, Idiot."

And VP Biden's just gonna roll over for Queen Hillary? Think again.

Jeezus! She hasn't even declared her candidacy and the Obamabot/Clintonoids are drooling over an 8 yrs. admin. lol

jazzbo

....and you keep ruling her out like you REALLY know.

Contango

Ms. Clinton shot herself in the foot with her "poor" comment.

The Clintons are STILL explaining it. This is the THIRD attempt. lol

It will stick to her.

Her candidacy may be over before it's begun.

jazzbo

....like you REALLY know.

How's the Libertarian's hopefuls lookin ?

Donegan

More upstanding and pro American than those of either major party. The one achievement i do give Hillary props for is the ability to be the pied piper of Morons in this country. She already has you fools lining up to throw yourselves under that bus.

jazzbo

Hi there , wacky !

Contango

Re: "Libertarian's (sic)"

Don't know. Politically I tend towards classical liberalism. I am NOT a member of the Libertarian Party.

So which one of Ms. Clinton's accomplishments do you think is her best one?

jazzbo

Whatever party you belong to - you're still brain-dead (Kessler's ?)

Contango

No party affiliation - Independent.

"brain-dead" = Obamabot/Clintoniod.

"Kessler's"? Never touched it.

Have a nice day, brain stem.

jazzbo

Hmmmmm , brain stem.

anthras

Mmix Re:" You don't think being a State Senator"

You just told me something I did not know I never knew she was a state senator I only knew of her being a US senator.

Weallhavevoices

Hilderbeast , idiots , libs , low info voters , ? Seems like those are all your words Fs 1, I'm just saying

freespeech1

I posed the same question over and over and not one substantiated claim of a major accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton. Serving as a Senator isn't an accomplishment. I say again what has she done that would make her qualified to be president?

Contango

Re: "what has she done that would make her qualified to be president?"

It's yet another case of the liberal disease of believing in: Symbolism over substance.

It doesn't really matter if you've accomplished anything, it only matters that you look and sound good, e.g. Barack Obama.

meowmix

Did you bother to go to the web site I provided you? Her accomplishments are rather lengthy.

Contango

Re: "Her accomplishments are rather lengthy."

Pick one or some.

You confuse 'just showing up' with "accomplishments."

Like Mr. Obama, does she get a Peace Prize too soon after election? :)

jazzbo

meowmix -

He'll refuse to believe it.

Contango

Repeating the word "accomplishments" ad nauseam without any commentary or substance is meaningless.

Accomplishments, accomplishments, accomplishments.

So what?

jazzbo

Life is hard.

Contango

Re: "Life is hard."

Bring plenty of snacks and magazines for the journey.

JudgeMeNot

I would consider buying Hillary's new book about her noteworthy accomplishments...

But then again, if I wanted a scratchpad of blank pages, I'll just buy a scratchpad of blank pages.

Weallhavevoices

She's married to bill, there's 8yrs whitehouse expirience right there, in skilled trades she's a qualified Journyman, journyperson, an so much more, 2016 yes!!!

Contango

Re: "8yrs whitehouse expirience right there,"

"Hillarycare" blew up in her face.

downthemiddle

The plumber's wife is gonna fix your kitchen sink?

I've heard that's the way apprenticeships work in uaw places..... buy your card.

Donegan

By that logic Monica Lewinsky is more experienced than Hillary. Monica actually worked in the Oval office while Hillary had no clue what happened there. (Hell, Monica was so close to the center of power she has the DNA on her dress)

I

Didn't Big Hill have those 8 years of White House experience when she ran against B.O., a junior senator with only a few years on the job? Didn't your party reject her in favor of the guy destined to go down in history as the worst president, ever? You've got to admit, those 8 years really mean nothing.

downthemiddle

She is one of the people who is good for eliciting extreme comments pro and con... such people are called lightning rods...

....she is welcome to camp out on my metal building roof.

Contango

Love the small-brained Obamabot/Clintonids:

ALL of Hillary's accomplishments were so GREAT that they can't pick out just ONE to crow about. :)

meowmix

That is true that it is hard to chose amongst her accomplishments- but no matter--her greatest one will be that she was the first woman to be elected President of the United States of America.

Contango

Re: "she was the first woman to be elected President of the United States of America."

She hasn't even declared her candidacy! lol

First female POTUS?

Again: Symbolism over substance, i.e. 'just showing up.'

Again: And VP Biden is just going to clear the way for her? lol

A good number of Dems just wish that the Clintons would go away.

freespeech1

Remember Contango these are the same clowns that elected Obama cause he was black, not what he brought to the table. As delusional meow pointed out she will get votes just because shes a woman. Sad but that's what these sheep do.

Contango

Re: "elected Obama,"

And by living in IL in '04, I've had the distinct honor of NOT voting for Mr. Obama THREE times. :)

BTW: She's as...uh....bad, if not worse of an...ah...off-script public speaker than...er... Mr. Obama.

Donegan

@ Meow While you are prognosticating throw out 6 numbers for the lotto. It is funny you people are so gullible you would rather vote for a set of ovaries than actual policies.
Stand up and take a bow, Your a example of why America is turning into a third world nation!

jazzbo

More ranting and raving from Donegan

Donegan

Its common sense, Something you obviously know nothing about.

There you go again

Attention all Obama and Clinton lovers,

You gotta read "Blood Feud" by Edward Klein to get the REAL story!

grumpy

Is this the same Hillary Clinton who was on her way to her corination in 08? She had no competition that time around either a year and a half out from the election. When she got competition what happened? She folded like a cheap suit. Much the same as she folded like that cheap suit in 93-94 when pushing Hillarycare. Seems like she has a habit of doing that folding thing when faced with competition, doesn't it? Hard for someone that old to change her spots.

Weallhavevoices

Clinton 2016 yes!!!

Weallhavevoices

8 yrs. experience is what makes a tradesman in my line of work, I take the "buying" card comment offensive, never witnessed the latter except in raises for other careers for advanced degrees when not needed for the job performed.... One more Time Clinton 2016!!!! The people will decide, it's called democracy an that's the way it is.

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The Hero Zone

It seems that there is no decision. You have already made up your mind and are convincing others to do the same about a woman who hasn't even declared her candidacy. It would also seem that the rest of the Democratic party can go take a walk and shouldn't even bother to compete. Never mind the populace at large, the majority of which aren't Democrats, it continues to seem that there is a distinct lack of voice inside the party itself.

To any of you who are a Democrat here, you shouldn't bother running for office if you aren't a Clinton according to many vocal, self-identifying Democrats. You don't matter and your voice doesn't actually count despite what the name of the OP here implies.

Continuing the seeming and, comparing the two parties, one has a base that actually questions what its leadership does and takes action where the party fails. The other has a base that ask few if any questions and don't challenge those in perceived positions of "in charge". In fact the Huffington Post often helps keep that party in line by calling any party dissenters "traitors" in large, colored words on their front page.

And all this, ladies and gentlemen isn't just what we can summarize in a punchline as "The Aristocrats", but exactly what George Washington meant when he said:

“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

grumpy

"8 yrs. experience is what makes a tradesman in my line of work,"

Then in your world my wife then has had over 30 years experience running cranes and such. I wouldn't want to be near her when she tries to operate a 250 ton crane, with 300 foot of boom, and a 60 foot jibe when she is picking a 95% of capacity load. But then I wouldn't want to be around her if she was just moving said crane 20 feet on level ground with the boom locked upright. But you want to claim that a wife can do what her husband has done in the past? My experience doesn't rub off on my wife. Nor does her 30 year experience as a compounding pharmacist rub off on me. I highly doubt you want me to compound your IV or TMR (total meal replacement) that you depend on to live). Hillary's 8 years as first lady has little Presidential experience included in it.

44846GWP

I'm ready for another President Clinton!

coasterfan

Hillary certainly would bring more pertinent experience to the White House than any president of the past 20+ years.

Donegan

That's the exact opposite of what you claimed in 2008.
"What does it matter at this point!!!" The democrat motto for 2016!

Contango

Re: "pertinent experience,"

Such as?

Darwin's choice

"community organizing"

Contango

meowmix wrote:

"...it is hard to chose amongst her accomplishments,"

It's "hard" even for her. When asked, she can't name ONE!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davi...

Does marrying Bill count? :)

Weallhavevoices

Ditto

I

None of our resident dems will want to even consider the possibility, but, who do you got if Big Hill decides not to run? I believe this rollout of her new book, and the reaction to it, is her sounding board for her political future. It's lukewarm reception will make her think twice as to whether she wants to invest all her blood, sweat, and tears, as well as money, since she's so poor, in another failed presidential run. She's smart enough to know that it's near political suicide for any democrat, even a woman, to run for president following the term of our current failed president. I believe she'll ultimately decide against running. Then, what?

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The Hero Zone

"But the great security against a gradual concentration of the several powers in the same department, consists in giving to those who administer each department the necessary constitutional means and personal motives to resist encroachments of the others. The provision for defense must in this, as in all other cases, be made commensurate to the danger of attack. Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place. It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions." - James Madison, Federalist #51

Parties allow the circumnavigation of the separation of powers. You aren't voting for a Senator nor President. You are voting for people who don't care what slot they fill as long as their party is the one straddling the barriers between the branches and filling it with the "fourth branch". When a President agrees with the House's Act for no other reason than they are a part of the party then what does it matter?

Weallhavevoices

"Then in your world my wife then has had over 30 years experience running cranes and such". If she's with you in cab daily helping plan lifts, estimating load weight giving signals sure shes qualified, you have a skill, president is more a mediator between house an senate "in a perfect world" where they are elected to get things done, he as well as her have people skills to deal with the bone heads to at least get some progress on issues that made our country prosper during their time

grumpy

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grumpy

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grumpy

Are you claiming Hillary was in on cabinet meetings, private meetings with heads of State, military leaders, and such? If so I would like to see your proof that she was at all or even most of those. Pictures of private meetings with those types of people didn't include her in them. Sorry if I don't take your word that she was in them. I seriously doubt many if not most of those leaders would not deal with her in those settings, at the time. You made the claim she was, I want to see proof she was in most of those meetings and phone calls. I won't be holding my breath till you show she was. If you can't prove your contention that she has that experience, she must not have had it. Bill and Hillary claiming they were "co-Presidents" is not proof she was in those meetings and phone calls.

I

Voices, you obviously think a lot of the job Bill Clinton did as president, being a mediator between house and senate, while reaching across the aisle to get things done. You've hit on the key issue as to why Obama's presidency is considered a failure...his far left ideology prevents him from reaching across the aisle. Big Hill hasn't even declared her candidacy and you are already throwing Obama under the bus. Of course, that will be necessary to distance her away from his failed policies!

Weallhavevoices

She'll do just fine, no one running in 12 were in those kind of meetings, I guess that's why Obama won again since no one with experience running so people just didn't go to polls... I'm sure she was not in on meetings sir but she is smart an has Bill to help an that's fine with me if we reap rewards of his terms, voters will decide

I

So, voices, if Big Hill decides to run, she'll have to denigrate Obama's failed policies, or risk being seen as a continuation of what we have now and certainly lose the election. Will slamming Obama excite the democratic base and encourage them to get out to vote for Hill? It's going to be a lose/lose situation for her if she runs. Also, "an" and "and" are two different words.

grumpy

"no one running in 12 sat in on those meetings"

Did Hillary have those same 8 years experience in 08? When she ran into someone with virtually no experience outside of being a community organizer and "Constitutional" professor and a few years as a Senator, had no name recognition, she folded like a cheap suit, and this was in a primary... she didn't even make it to the general election. And you think this time will be different? Just because? She folded when she ran into opposition to Hillarycare, she folded when she ran into opposition in the primaries by an inexperienced, unknown, unqualified first term Senator. But this time it will be different and she won't act like a cheap suit yet again...

Contango

Re: "she is smart an (sic) has Bill,"

Perhaps, but she lacks his political savvy.

"Slick Willie" is a smooth talker, she's just polarizing.

H*ll, the former "Goldwater girl" has already shot herself in the foot with the offhanded "poor" comment.

Sending Pres. Clinton out to defend her shows that she doesn't have the ability to stand on her own.

It makes her look weak and not very good presidential mat'l.

Weallhavevoices

Tanks 4 reatin lesson,

I

A lesson learned? Doubt it!

grumpy

"Sending Pres. Clinton out to defend her shows that she doesn't have the ability to stand on her own.

It makes her look weak and not very good presidential mat'l."

She has failed at her two major political projects... in 94 running point for Hillarycare and losing, actually not even getting close to getting it even into consideration in Congress, when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. That was a pretty pi$$ poor showing. Then again in 2008 she was, as today, set for her coranation when an unknown community activist, "Constitutional" lawyer and Professor, inexperienced, first term Senator blew her out of the water. That seems to be her best accomplishments. I guess the other hillary lovers don't have to decide what she has accomplished, I found them on my own.

Contango

Re: "unknown community activist,"

Two back-to-back presidents from IL? The U.S. ain't ready for that!!!

Knew a few snooty people from Park Ridge. :)

Found this interesting:

"SEC says Harvey, advisor committed fraud in hotel deal"

"But federal authorities said little of the money was actually used to fix up the hotel, and instead was used in part to pay off past debts for the developer, help the city make payroll and to provide Letke with six-figure fees."

http://articles.chicagotribune.c...

Typical of the shenanigans that go on in a high tax, corrupt state controlled by Democrats for over 30 yrs.

JudgeMeNot

I'll Vote for Hillary 2016...... IF she does a double dong with Monica and makes a video of it...

Weallhavevoices

Ha -ha lesson learned? Really? Stick to the topics, YOU show your true intelligence if you feel the need to insult people for grammar error, many men who built an fought for this great country could neither read nor write, let's be civil

I

"many men who built an fought for this great country"...I guess lesson not learned. But, yes, let's be civil.

Weallhavevoices

Nope no lesson needed, love ee Cummings AN his work to show queens grammar not needed to share, I'm done with this. Happy 4th

I

You're ignorant, stubborn, and proud of it. To each his own.

Nemesis

Circling back to the topic of this article, I have a problem with being told my money has to be forcibly taken from me to help the poor by someone who has more money than I do. The Clinton's personal wealth is absolutely relevant in this respect. If Bill and Hillary want to redistribute wealth, they can start by redistributing their own, handing it over to the government to use on Food Stamps and the like, until they are reduced to my level, THEN AND ONLY THEN do they have any moral standing to talk about adding my money to the pot. Listening to them is like having someone on a yacht tell me I need to keep someone else from drowning while I'm treading water.

Contango

Re: "redistribute wealth,"

When the liberals promote legislation calling for an annual federal wealth tax on the mkt. value of ALL their assets (like France), THEN I might begin to believe their redistributionist claptrap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol...

Why should someone like Warren Buffett be able to escape federal estate taxes by donating his wealth to charity when he dies?

Tax the old, rich fat fart each and every single yr.!

Nemesis

That's no better than what the leftists propose, and in fact, it's their end game - the confiscation of all wealth, to be doled out as the philosopher kings see fit.

It's really easy to make a show of concern for the poor when it's other peoples' money you're using.

Contango

Re: "other peoples' money you're using."

Point: The hypocritical socialists don't tax themselves enough, hence the need for a wealth tax.

They condemn "tax loopholes" and then hide behind them.

"Wealthy Clintons Use Trusts to Limit Estate Tax They Back"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

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Their supposed moral standing? Altruism.

The concept in recent times (to address a younger generation) was brought by the character Andrew Ryan in the game Bioshock.

"What is the greatest lie every created? What is the most vicious obscenity ever perpetrated on mankind? Slavery? The Holocaust? Dictatorship? No. It's the tool with which all that wickedness is built: altruism. Whenever anyone wants others to do their work, they call upon their altruism. Never mind your own needs, they say, think of the needs of... of whoever. The state. The poor. Of the army, of the king, of God! The list goes on and on. How many catastrophes were launched with the words "think of yourself"? It's the "king and country" crowd who light the torch of destruction. It is this great inversion, this ancient lie, which has chained humanity to an endless cycle of guilt and failure. My journey to Rapture was my second exodus. In 1919, I fled a country that had traded in despotism for insanity. The Marxist revolution simply traded one lie for another. Instead of one man, the tsar, owning the work of all the people, *all* the people owned the work of all of the people. So, I came to America: where a man could own his own work, where a man could benefit from the brilliance of his own mind, the strength of his own muscles, the *might* of his own will. I had thought I had left the parasites of Moscow behind me. I had thought I had left the Marxist altruists to their collective farms and their five-year plans. But as the German fools threw themselves on Hitler's sword "for the good of the Reich", the Americans drank deeper and deeper of the Bolshevik poison, spoon-fed to them by Roosevelt and his New Dealists. And so, I asked myself: in what country was there a place for men like me - men who refused to say "yes" to the parasites and the doubters, men who believed that work was sacred and property rights inviolate. And then one day, the happy answer came to me, my friends: there was *no* country for people like me! And *that* was the moment I decided... to build one."

However his real life counterpart, Ayn Rand, had a similar notion (and wasn't a quasi-villain in a libertarian dystopia). It is interesting to listen and watch as she handily overcomes what may be considered difficult questions to contest her stance: http://youtu.be/51pMod2Aaso

Weallhavevoices

Yes I am, it reaped me a wonderful life, one thing is I never resort to name calling, ignorance seen in others is just lack of confidence In one's self in my book...

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Calling someone ignorant and stubborn is not name-calling when it's an accurate description of that person. Because you continuously used "an" in place of "and", you were ignorant of the proper spelling. After your error was pointed out, you insist on continuing the wrong spelling. That makes you stubborn. No name-calling.