For Obama, fresh questions about how wars end

McCain says Obama is 'about to make the same mistake in Afghanistan he made in Iraq'
Associated Press
Jun 16, 2014

 

From the Rose Garden, President Barack Obama outlined a timetable for the gradual withdrawal of the last U.S. troops in Afghanistan and said confidently, "This is how wars end in the 21st century."

But less than three weeks after his May 27 announcement, there is a sudden burst of uncertainty surrounding the way Obama has moved to bring the two conflicts he inherited to a close.

In Iraq, a fast-moving Islamic insurgency is pressing toward Baghdad, raising the possibility of fresh American military action more than two years after the last U.S. troops withdrew. The chaos in Iraq also raises questions about whether Obama's plans to keep a small military presence in Afghanistan until the end of 2016 can prevent a similar backslide there or whether extremists are simply lying in wait until the U.S. withdrawal deadline passes.

"Could all of this have been avoided? The answer is absolutely yes," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said of the deteriorating situation in Iraq. McCain, one of the White House's chief foreign policy critics and Obama's 2008 presidential rival, added that

That criticism strikes at the heart of Obama's clearest foreign policy pledge: a commitment to ending the conflicts started by his predecessor, George W. Bush, and keeping the U.S. out of further military entanglements.

The turmoil in Iraq presents a particularly troubling dilemma for the White House. Obama's early opposition to the Iraq war was a defining factor in his 2008 presidential campaign and he cast the withdrawal of all American troops in late 2011 as a promise fulfilled. The president and his top advisers have since cited the end of the war as one of Obama's top achievements in office.

But the vacuum left by American forces has been filled by waves of resurgent violence and burgeoning Sunni extremism. Still, Obama resisted calls for the U.S. to get involved, saying it was now Iraq's sovereign government's responsibility to ensure the country's security.

The current situation in Iraq appears to have made that stance untenable.

Obama, who once called Iraq a "dumb war," now says it is clear the government in Baghdad needs more help from the U.S. in order to contain a violent al-Qaida inspired group that, he said, could pose a threat to American security interests.

While the White House is still evaluating a range of options, administration officials say the president is considering strikes with manned aircrafts, but only if Iraqi leaders were to outline a political plan for easing sectarian tensions.

Even limited and targeted U.S. airstrikes in Iraq would mark an almost unimaginable turn of events for many of the war-weary Americans who twice elected Obama president.

"If the president decides to double down on George W. Bush's disastrous decision to invade Iraq by launching a new round of bombing strikes, Iraq will become Barack Obama's war," said Becky Bond, political director of the progressive organization CREDO.

White House officials say it's unclear whether keeping a small contingent of American troops in Iraq after 2011 could have prevented the violence plaguing the country now. Obama did seek to reach a bilateral security accord with Iraq that would have allowed U.S. forces to stay, but an agreement could not be reached and all American forces were ordered out.

Obama has put far more effort into finalizing a security agreement with Afghanistan that will allow some U.S. troops to stay in the country after combat operations formally end later this year. The administration's goal is in part to avoid a repeat of Iraq and give the U.S. military more time to strengthen Afghan security forces.

The Afghan government is expected to sign a security agreement after final results from Saturday's presidential runoff election are set to be released July 22.

Under the plan Obama announced in the Rose Garden in late May, about 10,000 troops would stay in Afghanistan at the end of the year, but be fully withdrawn by the time his presidency is coming to a close at the end of 2016.

For those tired of war, Obama's plan keeps Americans in Afghanistan too long. For the president's critics, his plan brings Americans home too soon and gives insurgents too clear a roadmap of the military's plans.

Obama acknowledged the unsatisfying nature of ending a war without signing ceremonies or clearly defined winners and losers. In a statement that seems all the more true given the past week's developments in Iraq, he said, "I think Americans have learned that it's harder to end wars than it is to begin them."

 

Comments

holysee

Wars never end. We are in a constant state of warfare, weapons being one of the last Truly American industries. We had no bidness being in iraq or any ganistan.

ContraryAnn

True. The 38th parallel was crossed 64 years ago June 25.

And still we are there and the North is threatening nuclear bombs and Americans still are dying there.

And we never learn. We set up a democratic government in Vietnam.... now we enjoy Vietnam cuisine in a Sandusky restaurant. And still there are Americans missing in Vietnam.

freespeech1

Americans still dying in Korea? Please have some proof. I served on that border in Panmunjom JSA (Joint Security Area)for 13 months and saw none of that.

worddrow811

holysee you are 100% correct. If the money spent on weapons was used for the good of humanity, there would be no more wars. The greedy only think of their profit and how much of a luxury lifestyle that they can maintain. The arrogant only think of their name going down in history and whether or not a movie will be made. They never put you or I or anybody in their constant need to have more money!

The Big Dog's back

If it were up to McLame we would be in the midst of a nuclear holocaust.

coasterfan

I agree with Big Dog. If we followed McCain's advice, we would be trying to fund several new wars, in addition to remaining in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

freespeech1

So, the Obama, and the Obama Administration Plan: Support Enemies of the United States.

We have seen Obama and his Administration Provide Weapons, Food, Shelter, Medical Supplies, Training, Funding, and Equipment to al-Qeada, ISIS, NEO-NAZIs in Ukraine, Mexican Drug Cartels, Hezbollah Terrorist in South America, Taliban, and now Iran, next week it will be North Korea.

So, the United States have Sanctions on Iran, complain about Iran’s Nuclear Program, Condemn Iran for Sending Fighters to Bolster the Assad Regime in Syria, and now these goofy bastards (Obama and his Administration) want to play “Hide the Salami” with Iran because Iran already has sent Troops into Iraq to try and help save the Iraqi Government.

Something is not right here with Obama, his Administration, and Several Members of Congress who are willing to “Sleep with the Devil” to achieve their Agenda.

Someone Needs to ask this Question: Is the American Public this Stupid to not see what is going on?

ContraryAnn

WHO DO YOU THINK ARMED THE TALIBAN?
Reagan in 1980 to help Afghanistan fight the Russians.

Of course there was the Shah we propped up in Iran until we failed at that.

I don't know.... were YOU "this stupid" when Reagan armed the people who killed the marines in their barracks? Or when Reagan armed "the good guy" Taliban in Iraq? Or when Clive Bundy exercised his free speech and inspired two followers with his words to kill two policemen eating lunch?
You know all about stupid don't you?

Contango

Re: "Or when Reagan armed "the good guy" Taliban in Iraq?"

The "Taliban in Iraq"?

Arming the mujahedeen began under Pres. Carter in AFGHANISTAN.

grumpy

Well let's see... Carter started arming Afganistan's mujahadeen in the 70's, and Reagan continued it. Near as I can see Reagan wouldn't have been able to do much with the Taliban in Iraq in 80 as he wasn't President till 81, and I have doubts there was a Taliban in Iraq or Iran back then, but I can be shown different if you have links. Is Reagn continuing what Carter started much different than obama continuing what bush started?... or did Clinton start it when he was bombing anti aircraft emplacements in Iraq that shot at US planes flying over Iraq without Iraq's permission? Did that for several years. How far back do folks wish to go to point fingers? Do you want to go back to where the English made countries out of tribal lands? When those countries borders tried to split up different tribes and sects of religion? We can go back even further if you want to really dig into history of the area. Where do you think is a fair place to start?

Contango

Re: "we would be trying to fund several new wars, in addition to remaining in both Iraq and Afghanistan."

How is that any different under Pres. Obama?

Donegan

Guess you haven't heard, McCain lost your god has been in office for 6 years and we are still at war, He's even picked a few more. You deflection does nothing but showcase your bias for you god and hypocrisy.

ContraryAnn

Please identify all these other wars?

Or did you mean the Tea liban who fly the Yello Flag of Rebellion.

Donegan

Watch something other than the comedy channel and you might know the answer to you stupidity.
"Yello flag of rebellion"? Are you referring to the Gadsden flag? That flag was used during the revolution to fight a king, Pretty much the same as it is today except you and your ilk think Obama is a god.
I cannot help the fact you want to fundamentally want to change the US because you hate it so much but i can say there are those of us who like our country with all of its flaws better than the third world sh** holes you want to emulate.

deertracker

Why would anyone listen to McCain? He is no war hero just a loud mouth entitled 1%er!

Dr. Information

Haha, this coming from someone who never served an ounce in his life. McCain, hate him or like him is more qualified in anything over you.

Just more party hate here from the deer.

deertracker

You obviously don't know the guy's history.

Contango

Re: "the guy's history."

Read: "When Hell was in Session" and other books about the Hanoi Hilton, jack*ss.

Contango

Re: "the guy's history."

Listen to Captain Coffee's story, jack*ss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j...

deertracker

How many fighter jets did he crash? Why did he get shot down so easily? He was propped up by his relatives that had served. You go fight for the Iraqis pooh. Send your loved ones. It is always COWARDS like you that want others to die for your agenda.

Obama is spot on about this.

Contango

Re: "Obama is spot on about this."

He sent a battle group into the Persian Gulf, jack*ss.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline...

deertracker

A battle group or the USS George H.W. Bush?

Darwin's choice

More blatant ignorance from the moonbat!

deertracker

IS moonbat an 1800 word? You can do better than that can't you witty?

goofus

deerpooptracker, the Bush is part of carrier strike force two. It is a strike force battle group.

goofus

deertracker, the Bush is part of carrier strike force two. It is a strike force battle group.

jazzbo

You're right Deertracker ,

The cowards and the chickenhawks want to send YOU to war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...

Contango

“I was not in any branch of the service and I am proud of that.”

- deertracker, 6/5/14

deertracker

6/16/12014

I was not nor would I allow my sons to join the military and still proud of it. There's no honor in dying in a foreign country for a LIE!
.
Quote that!!!!!!!!!!!

Contango

Re: "There's no honor in dying in a foreign country for a LIE!"

So to you, those 58,300 U.S. servicemen and women killed in Vietnam were dishonorable, jack*ss?

deertracker

Their deaths were!

Contango

Re: "Their deaths were!"

Why are you p*ssing on their graves, jack*ss?

Darwin's choice

Once an azzhat, always an azzhat! It's the moonbat way!

deertracker

Truth hurts! TOO BAD!

ContraryAnn

Did you serve in Vietnam?
Did you volunteer or were you drafted?

deertracker

HELL TO THE NO twice!

deertracker

Why would you honor someone's death when it was all for not. You mourn and grieve but there is no honor in being forced to serve and die for NOTHING! You may not like my comments because you think the intent is to dishonor the vets but you are WRONG as usual.

grumpy

If you are so proud of your comments why did you edit them to soften what you originally said? to make it seem like ladydye is overdoing her response? or are you embarrassed by what you said?

To those who don't understand, look at the times these last couple of posts were made. He edited his several hours after ladydye responded. It is obvious why.

ladydye_5

Wow, that is the most disrespectful thing I have ever heard you say. We can have our differences and have a "fun" debate/converstaion, but that was just plain disgusting.

Donegan

When cornered by logic liberals become nasty creatures when they lose the option to blame others.

deertracker

Where's the logic dummygen?

grumpy

Again look at the post times both above and below. Why are you embarrassed of what you originally said, to what those folks actually responded to.

grumpy

Again look at the post times both above and below. Why are you embarrassed of what you originally said, to what those folks actually responded to.

grumpy

Again look at the post times both above and below. Why are you embarrassed of what you originally said, to what those folks actually responded to.

deertracker

The times are irrelevant as I post when I can not all day like some of you. I did not in any way back off what I said and I am definitely not embarrassed by it. You war mongers like to twist words and try to put words in other's mouths. Some of you don't read and comprehend very well. LADYDYE is entitled to her opinion. My response was to a different comment.

Nothing I said was untrue or derogatory. Nice try, wrong guy!

Contango

Re: "Nothing I said was untrue or derogatory."

You're delusional, squeaky.

deertracker

The drunk is up!

deertracker

True too!

ContraryAnn

NO! The people who sent us there were dishonorable - from Eisenhower onward.

Where did YOU serve in Vietnam? Drafter or volunteer?

deertracker

Some of you don't read well.

Contango

Re: "Some of you don't read well."

And you don't read AT ALL, squeaky.

deertracker

.......and trolling too!!!!!!!!!!!!

coasterfan

McCain is qualified, yes. However, his stance is to always go in - immediately - with guns drawn, even if it's a situation in which America's involvement clearly is not indicated.

Clearly, America does not have the money to fund yet another war, and clearly McCain hasn't put much thought into how it would be funded, nor to the obvious fact that this would increase our national debt (something he always complains about).

To me, this makes him rather Unqualified to be part of any discussion on the topic.

Donegan

Obama just spends billions of you tax dollars to destabilize the country then complains when someone else takes over. It is not only a waste of cash it is a embarrassment to the office of the president.

ContraryAnn

Whoooooooooooooooooa! Obama spent the billions in Iraq?
I think you've named the wrong president.
And the Shrub spent CHINESE dollars in Iraq.
Now our grandchildren will have to pay the debt.

Donegan

As i have said before it has been 6 years, Not to mention the 6 billion in Ukraine, 3 billion in Libya,ect ect. Watch or read something besides the comedy channel Coaster.

deertracker

Why is he qualified? Getting shot down and spending seven years a POW does not make him a foreign policy expert.

Darwin's choice

Do you mean as if being a "community organizer" is qualification for being president?

I guess not.....still failing daily....!

deertracker

Qualified or not he is doing the right thing!

The Big Dog's back

Not to mention all the people McLame killed on the aircraft carrier being a hotdog.

deertracker

Exactly! The guy thought he was the original star in Top Gun! NOT!

Darwin's choice

Moron, please provide a link for your blatant lie! I dare you! demorat liar!
It's pantywaist's like you who have been the ruin of this country, you're nothing but a suckling, either onobama's azz, or the union jerks you work for, karma will even your keel!

obama/failing

Darwin's choice

Hahahahaha!!!!
Nice "national enquirer" post!

Contango

Other than consuming large quantities of choom and coke, what did Mr. Obama accomplish before becoming America's first affirmative action president?

jazzbo

Yea, that worthless jerk!

Oops , I thought you were talking about Georgie Bush.

Contango

Pres. Obama: "I think Americans have learned that it's harder to end wars than it is to begin them."

What does this statement even mean?

There he goes again, stumbling through history with the honor of being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize just for showing up.

coasterfan

What does the statement mean? It's a simple, straight-forward sentence. Please hire a 5th grader to explain it to you?

Re: Nobel Peace Price, the Nobel committee explains that rather simply, as well:

"The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons".

Oh...so it's possible to work for peace without inciting major wars. Sounds like a lesson that Republicans could stand to learn. We've gone more than 40 years since we've had a GOP president who didn't get American into an unpopular war. You must be very proud.

Donegan

The Nobel committee is a joke and has lost all credibility due to their choice of a street corner agitator when he has did nothing before or after to earn a "Peace" Prize. In all actuality he should be held for murder of a US citizen without trial. http://www.theatlantic.com/polit...

Contango

Re: "It's a simple, straight-forward sentence."

Not surprised that you're impressed by sophistry.

coasterfan

What does the statement mean? It's a simple, straight-forward sentence. Please hire a 5th grader to explain it to you?

Re: Nobel Peace Price, the Nobel committee explains that rather simply, as well:

"The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons".

Oh...so it's possible to work for peace without inciting major wars. Sounds like a lesson that Republicans could stand to learn. We've gone more than 40 years since we've had a GOP president who didn't get American into an unpopular war. You must be very proud.

Contango

Iraq may be falling around his jumbo ears, but the President had time this weekend to get in a fundraiser, a commencement speech about global warming, a round of golf and possible house hunting.

Ya know, the IMPORTANT stuff.

http://blog.pe.com/politics/2014...

coasterfan

Actually, climate change/global warming is as important a topic as there is. Of course, anti-intellectual, anti-science conservatives don't get that.

Paul Krugman's OpEd article today about this very topic should be required reading for lowbrow conservatives. Remember, Contango, bravado is not a valid substitute for actual knowledge.

Donegan

You mean the same guy who is waiting on aliens to save the economy? Listening to a economist talk about the climate is akin to electing a street corner community organizer to the presidency, Just dumb.

deertracker

We are waiting on you to save the economy Dummygen. After all, you have all the answers. You and pooh.... aka.....tuffy!

Donegan

Just a nasty human being that crawled out of the sewer to spew rehashed Liberal talking points at people. Thanks for the walking example of what not to be.

Contango

Re: "Paul Krugman's OpEd,"

The same clown who called for a housing bubble and said that the VA is a model for single-payer?

ContraryAnn

Iraq is not our responsibility.

Send GW.... it's his party.

Donegan

Its not like Hillary voted on going into Iraq, Oh wait....She did. Your party owns it as well.

deertracker

Two wrongs don't make a right!

grumpy

Hiliary and Obama are proof of that statement. Good obsevation!

deertracker

You and pooh too! Throw Dummygen in there and you are still wrong. Go on over there and fight. You are grumpy enough!

Donegan

Yet you still are dieing to elect her to office. There's your liberal logic for you. God you people are clueless.

Contango

VP Biden: "Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive,"

Reality: al-Qaeda is VERY MUCH alive and GM is getting their butts sued.

deertracker

Iraq is just not our problem. They wanted the U.S. gone and we are. Osama is dead. No dispute there. GM is not the only car company with problems right now. People like you prop up al-Qaeda with your rhetoric. What are you afraid of? Won't your left hook protect you?

Contango

Re: "Iraq is just not our problem."

Your buddy says otherwise:

"Obama, who once called Iraq a "dumb war," now says it is clear the government in Baghdad needs more help from the U.S. in order to contain a violent al-Qaida inspired group that, he said, could pose a threat to American security interests."

deertracker

Not our problem. Let those in the immediate area handle it.

Contango

*

deertracker

U.S. interests pooh, not security. We all have your left hook to protect us!

Contango

"Never drank a beer," "Not even athletic enough to be a cheerleader."

- deertracker, 5/30/14

Have a nice day, mouse.

deertracker

I have never drank Kessler's either.

Contango

Re: "I have never drank Kessler's either,"

Me neither, mouse.

deertracker

That's all you drink pooh. ALL THE TIME! Don't lie!

Contango

Enjoy squeaking your tiny brained nonsense, mouse.

deertracker

Don't be embarrassed! It's pretty obvious!

Contango

Re: "It's pretty obvious!"

Only to tiny mouse brains, squeaky.

ContraryAnn

... and that came from where?

Traitor McCain (he received a pardon from Nixon to avoid trial) has no place from which to speak with any authority.

coasterfan

Biden is correct on both counts. Is Bin Laden dead? Yes. Is GM still in business? Yes.

Please address your thank you cards to:
Barack Obama
The White House
Washington D.C.

Donegan

Man you people have no clue. You are trying to give credit for a Bush program to your god. Either way it was a waste and you support it. http://www.newyorker.com/online/...
I always knew you were a Bush supporter, Lord knows you love the exact same programs.

Contango

Actually VP Biden was insightful regarding Iraq eight yrs. ago.

http://www.politico.com/story/20...

ContraryAnn

Yes Biden was right then.
And Sen. Obama voted against further involvement.

Contango

"Sen. Obama voted against further involvement."

Got a link to this?

Darwin's choice

Make them : from Jimmy Carter!
Thank You barack obama for taking my place as the worst president ever!

Dr. Information

CONTANGO. Spot on sir. Obama has no business making military decisions. The only thing this guy is qualified to do is make rubber band guns.

ContraryAnn

And you served where and when? Volunteer or draftee?

Coram Deo

We're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq
~Obama (in 2011)

Al-Qaeda has been decimated
~Barack Obama in Green Bay, Wisconsin, 11/01/12

President Obama tells comedian Jay Leno that "We don't have a domestic spying program." (2013)

Today, the core of al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan is on a path to defeat. Their remaining operatives spend more time thinking about their own safety than plotting against us.
~Obama during counter-terrorism speech (2013)

This is the most transparent administration in history.
~President Obama during a Google Plus "Hangout" (2013)

If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.
~President Obama on healthcare reform (2013)

Darwin's choice

And thousands more....!!!

But all showing failure/ignorance!

"Community organizer" LOL!!!!

coasterfan

False bravado from someone who knows that the last GOP president was the worst president since Harding in the 1920's. Darwin must also live with the fact that Americans found both the 2008 and 2012 GOP candidates to be worse options than Obama, and that much of Obama's presidency has been consumed with fixing the things George screwed up.

Is Obama perfect? Nope. Is any president? Is America in a better place than it was in 2008. Absolutely.

Contango

Is the U.S. involved in more foreign sectarian conflicts than we were in 2008?

Absolutely.

Darwin's choice

"is obama perfect?" He is for fools such as yourself. The perfect manchurian canidate.....

obama/failing

deertracker

Very witty!

ContraryAnn

...unless your insurance company cancels your policy.

A Tealiban Party woman told me recently "I don't need insurance. The hospital charities will pay for it. I just had an $11,000 bill and the 'hospital charity' paid for it?.
Really. "Who paid for the hospital charity?"
Tealiban. "Well, the hospital."

Yeah...

Darwin's choice

More good news from obama's epic failure.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/1...

Fraud in obozocare? Naw.....couldn't be!

AJ Oliver

The one person whose analysis of the likely consequences of an invasion of Iraq was most accurate in 2003 was Rufus Sanders. He described in detail how it would destabilize the entire region. He was absiolutely right.
How about if the Register goes back and re-prints some of his columns on the war?
I also well remember how Rev. Sanders was villified, threatened, and called a traitor for his views. The right wing only accepts free speech if it is "politically correct" according to their lights.
You're seeing the same sort of clumsy attempts at intimidation on this blog thread. Don't let them get away with it !!

Donegan

I bet somewhere in Rufus's column there might have been a mention of the war hidden between the "Its all the white guys fault" and "Us minorities are never to blame for anything" stories. But i highly doubt it was the main focus of the column.
As for being vilified, Rufus is very abrasive to other races to the point that whatever point he is trying to make is lost on the reader. The reason it seems mostly the right dislikes him is because the left is mostly made up of those wishing to blame others and he made a lot of sense to them. Simple concept there.

jazzbo

Take your meds Donegan.

deertracker

Please hurry too!

Contango

Re: "Rufus Sanders"

I agree. Bring back Rev. Sanders. He was a great wrong-headed communist columnist for the SR.

I used to enjoy verbally kicking his tush.

deertracker

What did you use tuffy, the right side or the wrong side of your pie hole?

Contango

Squeak, squeak said the mouse.

ContraryAnn

Yes was.
Obama voted against the war.
McCain - the traitor - voted for the war.

Contango

Re: "Obama voted against the war."

Mr. Obama was an Illinois state senator in 2002 and couldn't have voted.

deertracker

Glad you agree he is not at fault here tuffy!

freespeech1

Look at all these dems that voted for it!! Hillary was one as well!!

Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA

ContraryAnn

Freedom of Speech. Just ask Clive Bundy about how his free speech incited two followers to kill two policemen at lunch and put Nazi and Don't Tread on Us flags.

freespeech1

Hey idiot, those clowns were asked to leave because of their radical views, lets be fair here. Good try though, I heard MSNBC gear is on sale now better hurry.

freethinker1

Oh, then let's hold Bush responsible for the thousands of American lives lost when he was asleep at the wheel pre-9/11. Oh, and for the thousands of American lives lost when he lied to Congress about WMDs before getting us into wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The GOP has lost all credibility due to - well everything. Their latest "scandal"...Obama released (gasp!) 5 Gitmo detainees. They, of course, don't mention that Bush released more than 500 Gitmo detainees.

It's amusing to hear the continued silly attempts to delegitimize Obama's presidency - as if he hasn't done anything since his early political days. By the same token, we could just dismiss George W. Bush as the failed owner of a major league baseball team, as if he accomplished nothing after the late 1990's.

Actually, in Bush's case, that's probably a good strategy, since things only got worse for him after 2000. At least he had the good sense to go quietly to his room in 2009, to ponder just how much he had screwed things up.

It's unfortunate that his fans didn't get the memo... To think that Obama is a failure requires a complete cluelessness of how things were in America while George was in office.

Donegan

"It's amusing to hear the continued silly attempts to delegitimize Obama's presidency" With the continued Bush policies it is not hard to de-legitimize his presidency, Just use the same Bush arguments the left used in the first decade.

ContraryAnn

Well, let's just pay for a one-way ticket to anywhere outside the country. He's already convicted of war crimes internationally and under penalty of death if he leaves the country. Cheeneey too.

Donegan

Your God is is criminal inside this country let alone outside of it. All we need is congress to give him the one thing he denied to other citizens, A trial.

ContraryAnn

So. McCain - who needed a presidential pardon to avoid prosecution for treason after the US negotiated his release with the Viet Cong - is qualified to give advice? hmmmm

ContraryAnn

And then there was the McCain who came home, lied to his future wife about his age (making him younger) while she lied about her age (making her older) then continued sleeping with the mother of his children while bedding the future mother of his other children and married his mistress a month after his divorce was final and only reconciled with his first family when it was necessary for any chance of success in his failed McClain-Palin campaign - but still lost to the half-white guy. Yeah, McCain is a man we should set up as a legitimate policymaker.
Even second-wife daughter challenges him on his political opinions.

"Bomb Bomb Bomb! Bomb Bomb Iran!!"

My hero

deertracker

Didn't he dump her after learning she had been badly injured?

Darwin's choice

You two douchebags are incredibly moronic! Are you still fighting over the gorilla's dildo?

deertracker

We would not deprive you of something that is rightfully yours!

Darwin's choice

I'm sure your mother will put it to good use.

deertracker

She says you enjoy it when she uses it on you!

deertracker

She says you enjoy it when she uses it on you!

Contango

Re: "she uses it"

Is that what killed your mother in law, squeaky?

Contango

Pres. Obama:

"I think Americans have learned that it's harder to end wars than it is to begin them."

And yet the Clown-in-Chief is AGAIN considering air strikes in Syria.

http://www.theguardian.com/world...

Does anyone actually believe what this jamoke says?

AJ Oliver

OK, here is where I irritate EVERYONE. To me, your views on Iraq are somewhat less than useful unless you are able to list the countries that border it, and their relationships to the conflict. (Goodling not allowed in this case. As a citizen of the republic you have an obligation to know this.) Here is a prediction: the less you know about the area, the more likely it is that your support US military action.

grumpy

It is far more relevant to say who are kurds, sunni, shia, and which tribe they are allied to and who their warlord is and who he is allied to... at least today, since that switches fairly often, the allegance not the tribe or religious sect, rather than what country they are citizens of. But then that would be obvious to someone who actually has looked at the reasons they are at war. I am not surprised you don't know that. says much about your so-called knowledge of the conflicts going on there.

Contango

Re: "able to list the countries that border it,"

“God created war so that Americans would learn geography.”

- Mark Twain

Surprising that you continue to support Mr. Obama as he works to get the U.S. military more deeply involved in Africa.

H*ll his UN Ambassador, Ms. Powers is a big believer in the use of the U.S. military to quell genocide. Are you OK with that?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/art...

Contango

Re: "Iraq"

Knowing the history of Iraq would be more useful.

It is an artificial country created by the British.

Kind of like Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia which eventually were balkanized.

The Kurds are one of the largest ethnic groups in the world that lack a homeland.

KURTje

So you served Dr? (Don't lie)

AJ Oliver

Yup, and got hoodwinked along with the other 2.7 million gringos who got sent there. The many who said NO were braver, the real heroes.
Bring back the draft, I say - a good way to make the militarists think twice.
And OK, Grumps, what is the Sunni-Shia-Kurd-tribal(?)-warlord mix in Kuwait?

Contango

Re: "Bring back the draft, I say - a good way to make the militarists think twice."

Who would "bring back the draft," the Dems? lol.

Conscription is slavery.

KURTje

Run for CIC k.i.a, cause you've got all the answers.

Contango

Try not to appear 'too' ignorant kookie.

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