States move to blunt Obama carbon plan

State officials say new federal regulations could jeopardize jobs and drive up electric bills
Associated Press
Jun 1, 2014

As President Barack Obama prepares to announce tougher new air quality standards, lawmakers in several states already are trying to blunt the impact on aging coal-fired power plants that feed electricity to millions of consumers.

The push against Obama's new carbon emission standards has been strongest in some states that have large coal-mining industries or rely heavily on coal to fuel their electricity. State officials say the new federal regulations could jeopardize the jobs of thousands of workers and drive up the monthly electric bills of residents and businesses.

It remains to be seen whether new measures passed by the states will amount to mere political symbolism or actually temper what's expected to be an aggressive federal effort to reduce the country's reliance on coal. But either way, states likely will play a pivotal role, because federal clean air laws leave it up to each state to come up its own plan for complying with the emission guidelines.

The proposed Environmental Protection Agency rules to be announced Monday could be the first to apply to carbon dioxide emissions at existing power plants. Coal is the most common fuel source for the nation's electricity and, when it's burned, is a leading source of the greenhouse gasses that trap heat in the atmosphere and contribute to climate change.

Without waiting to see what Obama proposes, governors in Kansas, Kentucky, Virginia and West Virginia have signed laws directing their environmental agencies to develop their own carbon emission plans that consider the costs of compliance at individual power plants. Similar measures recently passed in Missouri and are pending in the Louisiana and Ohio legislatures.

Missouri lawmakers went even further in their defense of the coal industry. When activists proposed a ballot initiative barring local tax breaks for St. Louis-based Peabody Energy, state lawmakers quickly passed a measure banning such moves.

Some states have specifically empowered local regulators to develop emission plans that are less stringent than federal guidelines. According to measures passed recently, the state policies are to take into account the "unreasonable cost" of reducing emissions based on a plant's age and design and the "economic impacts" of shutting down particular power plants.

"The concern is that the federal standards — if they come out the way that most people expect them to — are going to drive the cost of electricity up for every single consumer in the state," said Missouri state Rep. Todd Richardson, a Republican.

Eighty-three percent of Missouri's electricity comes from coal-fired power plants, the fifth highest percentage nationally behind West Virginia, Kentucky, Wyoming and Indiana.

Federal emission regulations already allow flexibility for states if they can demonstrate costs would be unreasonable for particular facilities. But a spokesman for the EPA's Midwestern region, which oversees several states that rely predominantly on coal for their electricity, said he's unaware of that provision ever being used.

It's unlikely that the Obama administration would essentially undercut its new carbon emission standards by granting widespread exceptions, said Bill Becker, executive director of the National Association of Clean Air Agencies, which represents air pollution control agencies in 42 states and 116 metropolitan areas.

If a state doesn't comply with EPA guidelines, the federal agency can create its own plan for the state.

"This is not a standard that a state then can willy-nilly ignore," Becker said. "It's going to have to achieve at least that standard or more. Period."

In many Midwestern states, the drive to constrain the new federal emission standards has been supported by an electric industry that has a large financial stake in coal.

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback held a ceremonial signing in April for legislation allowing the state to set "flexible" standards for carbon dioxide emissions. He held the event in Holcomb at the proposed site of a new $2.8 billion, coal-fired power plant being pursued by Sunflower Electric Power Corp.

The legislation "is an effort by us to be able to handle issues at the state level, instead of being dictated, one size fits all, nationally," Brownback said. He added: "We will see how effective it is."

 

Comments

downthemiddle

What's the surprise..? Obama stood there and said that "electricity bills will necessarily skyrocket".

You voted for it.

From the Grave

Blunt

SamAdams

Obama is an idiot on a fool's mission. But downthemiddle has it exaactly right: Obama warned us, and he did it with a smile on his face like gouging Americans was a GOOD thing. And a host of idealistic voters bought it. Too bad they won't be the only ones to suffer once they get exactly what they voted for and realize it's not quite what they wanted after all!

downthemiddle

"If you open a coal fired electric plant, you'll go bankrupt"

YYYAAAAYYYY !!! More!! I'm votin' for that guy!!

The Big Dog's back

sam, could you explain to me why you and others like you hate the next generation. You feel that this earth was made for you and people like you, and I'm refraining from using the right wing___ word, to use and dispose of.

downthemiddle

We don't hate the next generation, we pity it. the obamalibs are taxing pollution (to fund welfare) while the third world pumps out pollution. Please explain to me how taxing pollution in the U.S. makes the air in China any cleaner.

If the goal is clean air, I've gotta quote Hilary here... "what difference does it make?"

The Big Dog's back

It's our business people who went to China to avoid regulations. Should we execute them?

coasterfan

Pollution-making companies SHOULD be taxed. It costs money to clean up the mess they create. Would you rather that we send the invoice directly to YOU, or to the people causing the problem?

SamAdams

Directly or indirectly, the invoice IS coming right to us. You can't pretend otherwise if electric bills double, now, CAN you?

downthemiddle

Sam... correct. Apparently coastie can't comprehend that.

He believes that ''free stuff" falls from the sky, like manna.

Contango

Re: "Pollution-making companies SHOULD be taxed."

To a co. a tax is a pass-through. It's added to the cost of their product or service.

Co. don't pay taxes, the end user does.

The left wing extremists of the EPA declared CO2 a pollutant.

KnuckleDragger

You mean the same pollution spewing businesses that you old farts didn't care less about when you were pocketing your inflated wages? Funny how you guys don't care how this affects jobs or businesses now that you are retired and "got yours."

JACKEL

Hey Dog, It is not the next generation we don't like, it is fools like you that are led by fools like him. NASA Scientists that are retired and can speak the truth without Bozo having them fired,say it all another attempt to bankrupt this country !

8ballinthesidepocket

How can anybody with an ounce of grey matter be that naive? Most, if not all, the US companies that have plants in China conform to US EPA and OSHA standards. Where do you come up with this crap that companies go there to avoid environmental issues? You cannot name one US company that operates in China that violates any US regulation, just typical liberal drivel not based on fact. Why don't get some facts before you engage your keyboard because you could not be further from the truth.

sugar

I just hope taking back the Senate in November will blunt Obama. And here we are with the bought scientist Tyson spewing his garbage on Cosmos. I normally enjoy science programs, this bozos ideology ruined it for me.

Maggdi

Sorry Sugar. Way too late for short term mitigation. The problems are too big now.....
But ya' gots ta start somewhere.. right?

The Big Dog's back

Start by getting rid of the right wingnuts in the House and Senate.

JACKEL

Yea, let's turn The Whole Country to The Anti Christian Commie Libs !

coasterfan

OMG. You actually think Tyson has been "bought"? There is no political ideology in the information he presents. As he often says "Science is true, regardless of whether or not you believe it".
He does oppose anyone who is in anti-science denial, which describes the rightwing ideology, but it's important to note that with Tyson, the science is all that matters.

Tyson is one of the most intelligent people in America. Gotta love when a rightwingnut calls him a bozo...

jazzbo

Sugar has handed his brains over to Fox and Rush.

JACKEL

At least a brain to turn ! What have you ever done to earn this freedom given to us by all those who have given their lives for it ?You too would be upset if you saw it taken away by day by day, by a bunch of Hypocrites like Bozo and his cronies. Now he set another poor president by trading 5 terrorist's for a traitor. They are even going to promote this traitor, before they execute him.

jazzbo

My , my , my , have anger issues do we ?

I served in the Army.

What did you do ?

Darwin's choice

He has to do everything he can to defer/deflect his incompetence!

downthemiddle

"Obama is the product of an incompetent electorate."

If only that were true.... the sad truth is it's half true... the other half of his votes were bought with obamaphones and welfare.

The Big Dog's back

They're actually bushphones.

downthemiddle

...assuming that you didn't sell your vote for a phone, that leaves you in the incompetent category.

Darwin's choice

Correct!

Maggdi

Listen.... short of being convicted of first degree murder in the White House we're apparently talking 'carte blanche'.... and have been since 2009.............
It's the Chicago way..

Blowfish

Obama should be the least of your worries. Look at recent Supreme Court decisions. If you are not a gazillionaire your vote wont mean jack. Things are going to get really bad for anyone making under 100k.

downthemiddle

blowhard... your union dues are feeding the democrat vote buying..... and the unions spend wwaayy more than the Koch Bros.

btw.. uaw dues go up 25% today.

The Big Dog's back

Posted at 12:16 pm by Lee Fang

The Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel either has no understanding of campaign finance, or is willfully misleading her readers. In either case, her column today about the Koch brothers’ political spending — which parrots a meme that has bounced around conservative blogs and websites like a bad chain e-mail — gets the facts about Koch spending versus union spending completely wrong.

In her column, “The Really Big Money? Not the Kochs,” Strassel cites a Center for Responsive Politics list to claim that unions “collectively spent $620,873,623 more than Koch Industries” on political races. Of course, if you actually visit this page on the CRP website, the list runs below a disclaimer noting that it does not include certain Super PAC spending or most undisclosed dark money spending, the preferred route for the Koch brothers for decades. In fact, the CRP site notes that union spending might appear inflated since unions traditional PAC spending is coupled with outside Super PAC spending. For the purposes of this chart, union spending is inflated compared to the giving of companies like Koch or Super PAC donors like Sheldon Adelson.

For the last election, Koch PAC spent $4.9 million in disclosed contributions (figures that appear on the chart referenced by Strassel). But they also spent over $407 million on undisclosed campaign entities, which does not show up in the CRP chart.

Republic Report broke down the figures for the last election and found that Koch groups alone spent more than double the combined political spending (including to undisclosed group) for the top ten unions combined. The chart includes union spending on dark money Democratic groups and Koch spending on dark money groups like Americans for Prosperity. See below:
- See more at: http://www.republicreport.org/20...
http://www.republicreport.org/20...

freespeech1

Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad (BNSF) owns all of the rail lines in the US that connect to western Canada, and they haul 80%+ of the crude from Canada to the Midwest and Texas or charge other Short Line railroads a fee to use their tracks.

BNSF charges $30 per barrel to haul the oil while the Keystone Pipeline would cost $10 per barrel by the State Department's own estimates.

BNSF is owned by Berkshire Hathaway whose chairman is Warren Buffet. In the last 2 election cycles, Buffet gave extensively to democrat causes and candidates including hundreds of thousands to Obama in 2012. He also bundled and hosted numerous fund raisers for Obama.

If anyone believes the Keystone Pipeline isn't being blocked by Obama on Buffet's behalf, I've got a bridge to sell you. Buffet could stand to lose $2 billion+ a year if the pipeline is constructed. He makes the same amount every year that the pipeline is delayed.

Why isn't this story being covered in the main stream media??????????????????????????

The Big Dog's back

The Keystone oil pipeline is good idea for the United States, Warren Buffett said Monday, even though it would take away some business from his Berkshire Hathaway rail subsidiary BNSF.

The long-delayed leg from Alberta, Canada, to Nebraska should be approved, the billionaire investor told CNBC.

"I would vote 'yes,'" Buffett said in a "Squawk Box" interview, but added he has "no idea" if President Barack Obama will approve it.

"I don't believe in the Keystone pipeline because of the jobs you'd make building it. You can build anything and create jobs," he said. "I just believe it's a useful pipeline."

I

BigLapDog, which speaks louder, Buffett's money or his words?

jazzbo

Well, it sounds like Obama isn't "bought" like the Republican Party is.

freespeech1

Unions bought Obama, hence giving them a pass on obamacare!

jazzbo

Are you sure of what you are talking about ?

"Unions' Obamacare Demand Won't Be Met, Obama Administration Says"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

I not sure of what you are talking about.
Doesn't sound like "bought " to me.

freespeech1

The largest giver to the dem party was the unions, huffington post? Really? That liberal rag is just a propaganda voice for liberals.

https://www.opensecrets.org/over...

jazzbo

So ?
I think you are confused... it still doesn't sound like "bought " to me.

They aren't getting what they want.

Clearer ?

I

Buffett funnels millions of his and others' dollars to Obama's campaign and, like magic, no pipeline while Buffett's rail company makes billions. That's pretty much the definition of being "bought", genius.

jazzbo

Read this :

"The Big Dog's back

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 8:34am

The Keystone oil pipeline is good idea for the United States, Warren Buffett said Monday, even though it would take away some business from his Berkshire Hathaway rail subsidiary BNSF.

The long-delayed leg from Alberta, Canada, to Nebraska should be approved, the billionaire investor told CNBC.

"I would vote 'yes,'" Buffett said in a "Squawk Box" interview, but added he has "no idea" if President Barack Obama will approve it.

"I don't believe in the Keystone pipeline because of the jobs you'd make building it. You can build anything and create jobs," he said. "I just believe it's a useful pipeline."

When you do everything you are told , then you are bought.

Do YOU get it, genius?

I

So, you think that Buffett gave Obama millions of dollars with the hope that he would approve the pipeline so that Buffett's rail company would not make the billions it has made transporting the crude? Amazing!

The Big Dog's back

Who gave away the most money of any American last year? Warren Buffett. He donated more than three times as much to charity than anyone else: $3.084 billion. Still, big philanthropic gifts were down for the year, according to the Chronicle of Philanthropy, which just released its thirteenth annual Philanthropy 50 list of U.S. donors who pledged the most dollars in 2012.

now what?

I

Last year wasn't an election year. Because he wasn't "buying" politicians last year, he had more disposable income available to donate to charity, which he could then declare as deductions on his income taxes, which would result in less money being paid to the government. So, BigLapDog, don't you just hate Warren Buffett?

jazzbo

I -

Apparently it doesn't bother Buffet.

Warren probably gave millions of dollars to Obama so that America wouldn't get another jack-ass Republican president.

I

Jazz, you're finally starting to get the whole "buying" politicians thing. Now you can start working on the "talk is cheap" concept.

jazzbo

You're not making sense.

I

I'm not surprised that you can't understand.

jazzbo

I'm not surprised that you're not making sense.

I

Great comment! With your obvious high level of thinking, you should change your username to something more appropriate, like LittleDogsBack or BigDogsFront.

The Big Dog's back

Yep, give my children and grandchildren polluted air and water. As long as we make the wealthy as comfortable as we can and make sure they are surrounded in dollars, everything will just be fine.

KnuckleDragger

Why not? The I got mine generation, which you obviously belong to has already pillaged this country and now you expect the younger generations to live in squalor because you now feel bad about it?

Contango

@ KD:

See Stan Druckenmiller

He's a major spokesman against "generational theft."

http://www.businessinsider.com/s...

coasterfan

Wondering why Republicans are only worried about the financial future, but not anything else. Isn't the future of the planet just a "little" more important?

jazzbo

Because they love money and CAN'T get enough.

Contango

Re: "Wondering (snip)"

No need to 'wonder' why the progressive-socialists want to bankrupt the Millennials and Gen-Xers through generational theft.

It's called vote buying.

KnuckleDragger

Wondering why democrats AREN'T worried about the financial future? More hot air from a member of the blow hard, "I got mine" generation.

wasthere

Yep, give my children and grandchildren clean air and water to enjoy while they live on food stamps and extended unemployment since this administration isn't concerned about jobs. If they were, they would be throwing far fewer regulations at these companies and entice them to stay or move back to America. Gotta scratch the backs of the green people though.

KnuckleDragger

The problem is they won't be living on food stamps. Once the demokooks shut down all the jobs there won't be a tax base to support food stamps. Sure they'll have clean water and air, but it won't really make much difference since they'll be homeless and starving to death. This is the liberal Utopia.

downthemiddle

dog... One thing your children and grandchildren will get is ENORMOUS DEBT to pay for Obama's 17 trillion national debt.

I was opposed to Bush increasing it.... but Obama more than doubled it. ]

Have you ever seen the national debt counter ?

The Big Dog's back

Let's see, have debt or be able to breathe? Let me think .............

downthemiddle

dog... now think really hard... Once again... how does taxing American enterprise clean up the air in China and India?

I know that Obama said it would, but how does it really work?

jazzbo

Would you rather a person burn coal ,a thousand miles away, IN their house or YOU burn coal in YOUR house ?

SamAdams

It's not an either/or all-or-nothing proposition no matter HOW much you or your idol-in-chief might pretend it to be (or, in Obama's case, how much he WISHES it might be).

NOBODY wants polluted air. And nobody in their right mind wants the national debt we've already got let alone a higher one! The issue with the just-released EPA "guidelines" has nothing to do with pollution OR the national debt and everything to do with the dramatic damages that will be done if it's all implemented at once.

You've made it clear you're a progressive Democrat. I thought progressives CARED about people, and didn't want them to be poor! Am I wrong? Because if this is implemented as is, a host of newly poor people will be CREATED!

The Big Dog's back

It's you and people like you who think it's an all or nothing thing. You act like all other power generating plants are going to be shutdown immediately and replaced with wind and solar. You do know it's going to take awhile right? The more we keep postponing it the more it will cost.

SamAdams

Who mentioned shutdowns? That would involve brownouts and blackouts since we've inadequate replacements. What we're talking about here is gargantuan and precipitous price increases for the consumer (which, in turn, will raise prices of everything manufactured using electric power -- in other words, pretty much everything).

downthemiddle

There will be lots of dead birds under those windmills... then come out the liberals again to fine the windmill owner for each dead bird.

How much for an eagle? ... a starling ?

It will be interesting to see the list of values per type of bird.

Of course there will be government "inspectors" to monitor the sites and record the bird kills. Each state will be broken into areas and a bureaucrat driving a state owned car with an emblem on the side will spend the day counting dead birds and entering the data into a tablet.

Like the EPA, the inspector will need to write enough fines to cover his day rate plus....

I wish liberals could fly... I'd bait 'em into a windfarm....

jazzbo

Have Big Businesses come back to the USA .
Have them pay good wages.
Have them pay their taxes.
Prosperity for all !!!

(yes/no?)

Darwin's choice

Not under the current administration.

jazzbo

Not under the current situation.

Contango

Re: "Have Big Businesses come back to the USA ."

And you do that how?

jazzbo

Why WON'T Big Business come back to the USA ?

Contango

Re: "Why WON'T Big Business come back to the USA ?"

1. High taxes

2. To be closer to their foreign mkts. (Ya can't export everything.)

Answer the question: So how do you make them comeback?

jazzbo

For you Contango , the answer is:
Wouldn't patriotism , nationalism , or brotherhood be enough ?

But then I remembered it was SamAdams I was addressing originally.

He said : "...I thought progressives CARED about people, and didn't want them to be poor! "

Well , we do ,
Have Big Businesses come back to the USA (so that there are jobs) .
Have them pay good wages.
Have them pay their taxes.
Prosperity for all !!!

Contango

Re: "Wouldn't patriotism , nationalism , or brotherhood be enough ?"

All ancillary to making a profit. No profit, no business.

Actually, a lot of mfg. is returning.

Increasing labor and transportation costs are partially responsible.

The U.S. has the highest marginal corp. tax in the world. Do you think that might have some effect on location, hmmm?

jazzbo

Well , if one's only reason for living was to accumulate huge masses of money for themselves ( more than they could ever need or use ) .... then I can see why Big Business would dodge its homeland.

coasterfan

It's amusing that none of the self-appointed "conservative budget hawks" like downthemiddle were the least bit vocal/worried about the national debt until January 2009. When Bush took a budget surplus and turned it into a multi-trillion dollar debt that grew exponentially, why didn't we read their angry posts in 2004-2008?

Let's see, what happened in January 2009? Hmm...

Darwin's choice

Well, blowhard, more of your propaganda! Your "failure" in the white house's doubling of the national debt is his and your legacy!

Who would have thought "obama" and "blunt" would be in the same headline without some reference to the "choom" gang leader!!!

obama/failing.....still

Contango

Re: "budget surplus"

Again for the historically clueless:

A fluke due to cap-ex spending on Y2K and the Dot.com boom.

The mkt. began to go south in Mar. 2000.

The Big Dog's back

pooh, you sound like a robot repeating that crap.

Contango

Well the U.S. had better be converting to nat-gas & building nukes, 'cause windmills and solar panels aren't gonna be enough to offset the loss of electric generation capacity produced by the coal-fired plants.

FORWARD SOVIET!

SamAdams

Your suggestions are of no value to the current administration because they, you know, actually make sense. Sorry.

Forward Soviet, indeed!

Contango

BIG problem with solar and wind:

Lack of reserve generating capacity.

There are three power grids: East, west and Texas. Power is not easily transferable between each of them.

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy...

The Big Dog's back

Capacitors.

Darwin's choice

Can't possibly meet demand.

coasterfan

BIG problem with coal and oil:

Exploding oil rigs, exploding mines, oil leaks into our oceans and waterways, Black Lung and other health issues from working in mines, and the obvious multi-billion $$$ of costs for the above.

The "problems" you mentioned with solar and wind are solveable, assuming that we continue to fund R&D for these renewable forms of energy. Unfortunately, Ohio under Kasich is following a Neanderthal path in the opposite direction of most of the country.

I think I'll borrow your last sentence and apply it to a much more appropriate setting: The rich 1% and the rest of us: "Power is not easily transferable between each of them".

Contango

Re: "The "problems" you mentioned with solar and wind are solveable"

Reserve energy storage, i.e. batteries. The tech ain't there.

Lithium? Another import.

Contango

Re: "The rich 1% and the rest of us,"

Again: Thank Mr. Bernanke for his monetary policies.

jazzbo

"Well the U.S. had better be converting to nat-gas & building nukes, 'cause windmills and solar panels aren't gonna be enough to offset the loss of electric generation capacity produced by the coal-fired plants."

I'll bet the Big Oil companies are fighting for that.

Contango

Re: "the Big Oil companies"

Not to worry, the whole world is still in the mkt.

Let 'em export it.

jazzbo

right

Contango

Re: "right"

And if the rest of world uses oil, what's the net effect on CO2 levels?

It's currently illegal to export U.S. oil.

Contango

From the EPA website:

"EPA employs over 17,000 people across the country,"

"Over 17,000 people"?

What the EPA isn't 'sure' how may employees they have?

These 17K well-compensated bureaucrats will get their nice fat wages and bennies, regardless of how many hard working Americans are fired over their indiscriminate policies.

EPA: Employment Prevention Agency

http://publicaccess.supportporta...

The Big Dog's back

So, you want to get rid of the EPA? I now officially crown you King of the right wingnuts.

freespeech1

Loosen the strap on your helmet old king of window lickers, your over use of the term "right wingnut" is showing your lack of intelligence. You libs want to shut down the coal industry, and when your electric bill jumps 80% who are you gonna blame? Obama done said bills would skyrocket and you still bought into it. You cant fix stupid.

jazzbo

Really ? 80% ?

coasterfan

More rightwing scare tactics. If wind/solar energy caused 1/10 of the damage and human suffering as coal/oil, conservatives would rightly denounce them for poor safety issues. Why then, do we give coal/oil a "free pass" when they absolutely cause much more damage and expenses with the inevitable clean up costs and health issues they cause?

These folks oppose it simply because Obama is FOR it. If Obama announced tomorrow that he was anti-Cancer, Republicans would suddenly become PRO-cancer. They've done this on many issues since 2009, most notably nationalized healthcare.

Darwin's choice

Do you purchase chapstick in a 55 gallon barrel? You sure do plant a lot of "lip" on 'ol obama's rump!

freespeech1

Sorry toaster but your messiah said we will be paying a lot more in electrical costs, and he will bankrupt anyone wanting to build a coal fired plant. Yet you still kiss his feet.

downthemiddle

Obama's actual words were "necessarily skyrocket".

KnuckleDragger

Piddle puppy's bill won't go up much, his home is powered by a renewable energy source that all liberal's have readily available; "hot air."

The Big Dog's back

Maybe we should go back to candles and whale oil since Repubs hate progress.

Dr. Information

Carbon emissions from plants have went down nearly 20% since 2005. Obama wants to again kill jobs and push people on the government boob.

Heck estimates show that most people will be losing their insurance through the private sector in the next ten years and be roped into Obamacare.

Forward Soviet is right.

downthemiddle

Liberalism is like Godzilla... a mindless force that wreaks havoc and destruction everywhere it goes.... and sorta delights in it's efforts.

KURTje

The upcoming CIC election will be interesting. Wonder what the GOP will do?

Contango

Conversely and closer to REALITY:

The upcoming November mid-term election will be interesting. Wonder how the Dems will do?

The Big Dog's back

Take back the House and keep the Senate. People are tired of obstructionism. They want PROGRESS!

Donegan

Killing industry and boosting food stamps and welfare is progress? In what universe does making energy prices skyrocket and putting more pressure on the middle class and poor mean progress? I personally think you need mental help, Your elevator does not go to the top floor.

downthemiddle

dog is a regular visitor to the far corners of the universe... he has his own private spaceship...

...with a uaw sticker on the tail....

KURTje

The Koch brothers hate the carbon plan. Opps....many people dislike the Koch brothers.

downthemiddle

The Koch Bros. are the taxpayers answer to the unions.