At Wal-Mart, Obama praises steps on solar power

President unveils executive actions aimed at increasing energy efficiency with a goal of reducing U.S. reliance on carbon fuels
Associated Press
May 10, 2014

Flanked by bargain-priced displays of women's wear and patio lighting, President Barack Obama went to a Wal-Mart store in Silicon Valley on Friday to praise new steps by businesses and communities to deploy solar energy, showcasing efforts to combat climate change that don't rely on a disinclined Congress.

Obama said more than 300 companies and state and local governments have pledged to use solar technology, and he unveiled his own executive actions aimed at increasing energy efficiency with a goal of reducing U.S. reliance on carbon fuels. The two tracks underscored Obama's strategy of sidestepping Congress to advance his own agenda, but they also illustrated the limits of his reach in a bitterly divided government.

"The commitments we're announcing today prove that there are cost-effective ways to tackle climate change and create jobs at the same time," Obama said at a sprawling Wal-Mart store in Mountain View.

The solar effort will power the equivalent of 130,000 homes, the White House said, while Obama's administrative actions could reduce carbon pollution in an amount equal to taking 80 million cars off the road for one year. The White House also announced that long-delayed energy efficiency standards for walk-in coolers and freezers have finally been completed.

Ticking off a list of economic and environmental benefits he attributed to solar technology, Obama cast the commitments as part of a broader campaign to reduce American energy dependence, create jobs in renewable energy and lower heat-trapping emissions blamed for global warming.

"This is what you call a win-win-win," Obama told about 250 store employees as he wrapped up a three-day swing through California focused heavily on raising money for Democrats in advance of November's midterm elections.

Tweaking the mostly Republican opponents of his energy policies in Congress, Obama lamented that lawmakers have "not always been as visionary on these issues as we would like." That's why he's seizing opportunities this year to act unilaterally to advance those goals, Obama said.

"Unfortunately, inside of Washington, we still have some climate deniers who shout loud," Obama said. "But they're wasting people's time on a settled debate."

It's Obama who is wasting time, responded Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who argued that if Obama really wanted to promote energy independence, he would approve the Keystone XL pipeline and reverse course on policies cracking down on coal. "There's a way to get America going with regard to energy, but it's not doing any of the things that he's been doing," McConnell said.

His policies unable to generate momentum in Congress, Obama has increasingly gone outside the federal government to press his agenda. He has won commitments from colleges and universities to expand access to more students; he has created innovation hubs that link businesses and education institutions; and he has drawn attention to companies and state and local governments that have increased pay for workers.

Still, that choice of tactics has severely limited what Obama may be able to accomplish, a reality the president acknowledged the night before as he spoke to donors at a fundraiser in La Jolla benefiting House Democrats.

"Regardless of how hard I push, regardless of how many administrative actions I take, we're not going to be able to go where we need to go, and can go, and should go unless I've got a Congress that's willing to work with me," Obama said.

The White House said it chose Wal-Mart because the company has committed to doubling the number of solar energy projects at its stores, Sam's Clubs and distribution centers. But in choosing the giant retailer as the backdrop for his announcement, Obama also triggered a backlash from labor unions and pay equity advocates who say low wages paid by Wal-Mart fly in the face of Obama's vaunted push on pay equity.

"What numbskull in the White House arranged this?" former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, who served in the Bill Clinton administration, said on Facebook.

The Wal-Mart location he visited gets about 15 percent of its power from solar panels. Wal-Mart's president, Bill Simon, said. Obama is the first president to visit one of the chain's warehouse stores.

Comments

Contango

Re: "Flanked by bargain-priced displays of women's wear and patio lighting, President Barack Obama went to a Wal-Mart store in Silicon Valley on Friday"

After his term has ended, Pres. Obama has a future in performing at retail store openings.

The Egotist in Chief can put his cute little "O" symbol with the words, "Greatest President of the United States" on the front of the lectern.

44846GWP

Thats the best you could come up with Winnie? Bad day?

Contango

Re: "Thats"?

What's the matter having a "bad" spelling day Obama useful idiot?

You two deserve each other.

coasterfan

Actually, we ALL deserve Obama, especially after what we went through under Bush.

Below is a list of all the Solar spills and Wind spills, and other damage caused by solar power and wind farms:

1.
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Oh...it seems the above spots are for rent, since there have been no instances of environmental damage caused by these forms of green energy.

Would you care to cuss or discuss oil spills and the pollution/ greenhouse gas emissions caused by burning coal and gasoline?

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The Hero Zone

So there are no environmental consequences to these energy producers? Not only that how does their power produced/acre of facility match up? What happens on the rare occasion the sun doesn't shine or wind doesn't blow?

Contango

Re: "no instances of environmental damage,"

Absurd argument.

And the energy in order to manufacture and construct wind turbines and solar panels originated from where?

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You may like this, Contango, since he has spent a lot of time on QVC instead of CSPAN: http://thepeoplescube.com/people...

(Receptionist) Hello, Welcome to ObamaGolf. My name is Trina. How can I help you?
(Customer) Hello, I received an email from Golfsmith stating that my Pro V1 order has been canceled and I should go to your exchange to reorder it. I tried your web site, but it seems like it is not working. So I am calling the 800 number.
(Receptionist) Yes, I am sorry about the web site. It should be fixed by the end of 2014. But I can help you.
(Customer) Thanks, I ordered some Pro V1 balls.
(Receptionist) Sir, Pro V1's do not meet our minimum standards, I will be happy to provide you with a choice of Pinnacle, TopFlite , or Callaway Blue.
(Customer) But I have played Pro V1 for years.
(Receptionist) The government has determined that Pro V1s are no longer acceptable, so we have instructed Titleist to stop making them. TopFlites are better, sir, I am sure you will love them.
(Customer) But I like the Pro V1. Why are TopFlites better?
(Receptionist) That is all spelled out in the 2700 page "Affordable Golf Ball Act" passed by Congress.
(Customer) Well, how much are these TopFlites ?
(Receptionist) It depends sir, do you want our Bronze, Silver, Gold or Platinum package?
(Customer) What's the difference?
(Receptionist) 12, 24, 36 or 48 balls.
(Customer) The Silver package may be okay; how much is it?
(Receptionist) It depends, sir; what is your monthly income?
(Customer) What does that have to do with anything?
(Receptionist) I need that to determine your government Golf Ball subsidy; then I can determine how much your out-of-pocket cost will be. But if your income is below the poverty level, you might qualify for a subsidy. In that case, I can refer you to our BallAid department.
(Customer) BallAid ?
(Receptionist) Yes, golf balls are a right, everyone has a right to golf balls. So, if you can't afford them, then the government will supply them free of charge.
(Customer) Who said they were a right?
(Receptionist) Congress passed it, the President signed it and the Supreme Court found it Constitutional.
(Customer) Whoa.....I don't remember seeing anything in the Constitution regarding golf balls as a right.
(Receptionist) There's no explicit mention of golf balls in the Constitution, but President Obama is a former constitutional scholar and he believes it would have been included if the Constitution had not been drafted by a bunch of slave-owning white men. The Democrats in the Congress and the Supreme Court agree with the President that golf balls are now a right guaranteed by the Constitution.
Customer) I don't believe this...
(Receptionist) It's the law of the land sir. Now, we anticipated most people would go for the Silver Package, so what is your monthly income sir?
(Customer) Forget it, I think I will forgo the balls this year.
(Receptionist) In that case, sir, I will still need your monthly income.
(Customer) Why?
(Receptionist) To determine what your 'non-participation' cost would be.
(Customer) WHAT? You can't charge me for NOT buying golf balls.
(Receptionist) It's the law of the land, sir, approved by the Supreme Court. It's $49.50 or 1% of your monthly income.....
(Customer)(interrupting) This is ridiculous, I'll pay the $49.50.
(Receptionist) Sir, it is the $49.50 or 1% of your monthly income, whichever is greater.
(Customer) ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What a rip-off!!
(Receptionist) Actually sir, it is a good deal. Next year it will be 2%.
(Customer) Look, I'm going to call my Congressman to find out what's going on here. This is ridiculous. I'm not going to pay it.
(Receptionist) Sorry to hear that sir, that's why I had the NSA track this call and obtain the make and model of the cell phone you are using.
(Customer) Why does the NSA need to know what kind of CELL PHONE I AM USING?
(Receptionist) So they get your GPS coordinates, sir
(Door Bell rings followed immediately by a loud knock on the door)
(Receptionist) That would be the IRS, sir. Thanks for calling ObamaGolf , have a nice day...and God Bless the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

Darwin's choice

Lol....

However, obama has no balls......

coasterfan

Perhaps, but has a ONE Republican presidential candidates do not have:
an above average IQ.

And actually, I disagree with the "no balls" comment. He isn't a trigger-fingered warmonger like Bush, McCain, et al, but since we're still paying off the last TWO wars caused by simpleton Bush, it's a sign of intelligence that he has kept us out of Syria and Ukraine.

grumpy

Please cite your source on the IQ's of all the presidents you have access to. Feel free to list both repubes and dims. We wish to see what they are, and where and when they were tested. Thanks much for this information.

Course if you can't produce said information... and where it came from... it will say little about the various President's IQ... but much about what you post.

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He's also neglecting how eager our President was to go into Syria yet withdrew after the backlash his impulse was widespread.

Darwin's choice

A little late to the party, eh, troll?

Have to get marching orders from the mother ship?

And, still full of chit! And, you would know about obama's balls...

sugar

I think your post is great, funny as hell.

rbenn

The same guy that said he would never go to walmart!

Pete

Obama lied? I'm shocked! SHOCKED I tell ya!

looking around

rben I'm curious, what is your source on that statement? I for one am disappointed that he choose walmart, but would like to know if he actually made that statement.

rbenn

when he was campaigning for president in 2007 he stated it, its been on the news quite a bit.

44846GWP

B.s., prove it.

rbenn

Ok jackwagon, I even found it on a left wing hack site. Its in the 9th paragraph ENJOY! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

rbenn

Obama was a senator in 2007, he told an AFL-CIO town hall forum that he wouldn’t shop there, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/05/09...

rbenn

well? Sucks to be an Obama leg tingler doesn't 44846GWP!! I have given you the proof you requested, so who's full of BS Now? Have a great day!! Bwahahahahahahahah

Darwin's choice

:-)

Darwin's choice

Obama's backing of anything solar power related has resulted in complete failure of those companies (solyandra?), Walton's might want to re-think having obama endorsing anything, as it seems to be a death sentence!

"What numbskull in the White House arranged this"?, probably the biggest one!!

The Bizness

Other than solyndra give me another me one.

Pete
rbenn

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9.EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10.Amonix ($5.9 million)
11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21.Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26.GreenVolts ($500,000)
27.Vestas ($50 million)
28.LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30.Navistar ($39 million)
31.Satcon ($3 million)*
32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

JudgeMeNot

You want more The Bizness?????

coasterfan

It's a new technology, so there will be some bumps along the road. I say it's worth it, if we save the planet in the process. It's not like there haven't been HUGE problems with the carbon-based forms of energy. Why do you think we've been looking for better alternatives?

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That's several billion "some bumps" you're talking about and I'm sure if you follow the money all those sweetheart deals were less than altruistic in nature. What upsets me about this comment is the rampant waste you write off as "bumps" similar to how the president called the cancer patients who lost their policies/facilities as "bumps" too.

"Listen here boy, this is the only path that leads to the castle. Those who really want to make it to the castle must either step over the ones who have fallen or stay here to pave the road for those who have the will to make it...Without doubt, you stepped over the thousands of dead, whose bodies made up the stones to pave your way, and they, for you, have done the same to those before!"

Those darn bumps keep adding up.

Darwin's choice

I love the comments three days later from the troll!

Especially admitting obama's failures!!!!!!!!

grumpy

Evergreen solar, Beacon power, Sun Power, First Solar, A123, Brightsource. I can go on, there are a couple dozen.

Edit: I see others have answered while I was also.

Darwin's choice

Ok...is that enough? or are you the numbskull?

coasterfan

Gotta love Darwin's use the word "complete". More than 90% of the green energy companies who received gov't subsidies succeeded, I read, which - I think we all realize - is a FAR higher rate of success than most business ventures (less than 50% of restaurants make it, for example).

Where I come from, 90% success rate isn’t a “complete failure”. But then, I don’t live in the alternate reality world where Republicans reside. Jon Stewart called it “B.S. Mountain” in his debate slam dunk win over Bill O’Reilly a couple of years ago.

Isn't it funny to hear them call Obama a numbskull? The man graduated from Harvard magna cum laude, and was a Constitutional Law professor. He is far more eloquent than anyone in their party, and certainly runs circles around monosyllabic Bush, who occasionally could put together a coherent sentence on his own.

Darwin can't even spell Solyndra correctly, which puts him in good standing with his conservative buddies, half of whom are likely unable to spell the word Constitution.

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Wow it's amazing that with government subsidies a company has a higher chance of staying in business than one without it. How could that ever happen? Why, it only takes someone else giving them money for something that otherwise would be unfeasible, undesired, not in demand, or unprofitable. I wonder how many restaurants would stay in business if the government gave them millions of dollars? Maybe 90% too?

Is something a "success" if it needs government subsidies in order to exist at all?

Also, did you happen to get a copy of his college transcript to declare with what honors he graduated? Or are those still sealed up for some mysterious reason he doesn't want to talk about?

Darwin's choice

You azz kissing moron!

What is 90% ????? List anyplace that will prove you're not lying!

There you go again

How does Obama think Congress will "work with him" if he continues to blame them for Not get anything done? Our Divider in Chief set the stage for this division and now has to live with it. That's not how you get results, Odumbo.

Pete

It took a $100,000,000 bribe for Obama to sell out the construction unions. What was the bribe amount to slam the UFCW?

grumpy

These are the rock solid values shown by this administration. Anything to help the Party get elected. Throw long term backers under the bus. Cause you know they will forgive you almost anything and still back the party no matter how much it screws them. Politics at it finest.

KURTje

R.Fuller , N. Tesla, R. Diesel, more hated avant-garde triple 9's. (Follow the $$)

Contango

FYI. Speaking of American taxpayers getting the royal shaft:

Looks like Fiat/Chrysler has decided to move it's HQ to London.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

Hey! Thanks for savin' the co. so the U.S. can lose future corp. tax dollars!

Meanwhile, idiot Dems like Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) who supported the taxpayer funded bail-out are bitchin' that Pfizer may move it's HQ to the same locale.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

rbenn

Lets not forget GM and all the outsourcing it did after the bailout. We need to look no further than General Motors’ own figures to learn that GM outsources almost two thirds of its jobs overseas. Less than one in five GM vehicles are manufactured in the United States.

To be exact: GM’s December 31, 2011 annual report shows General Motors of North America accounting for 98,000 of the 207,000 GM jobs worldwide. But 12,000 of these jobs are in Canada and 11,500 are in Mexico. Accordingly, GM has 74,500 jobs in the United States and 122,500 abroad, even after Obama’s touted surge in Detroit jobs. Almost two thirds of GM’s jobs are in other countries.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paul...

Contango

"The investment bank estimates that China accounts for nearly 60% of GM’s automotive free cash flows, which is higher than just about any other automaker on the planet."

http://qz.com/197825/gm-biggest-...

Wanna bet that GM has a nice stash of cash from sales sittin' in China that they haven't repatriated back to the U.S. so that it can be taxed?

coasterfan

WE mostly get the shaft thanks to Republicans who vote to give the 1% bigger tax breaks and who vote to keep a system alive in which many huge American corporations pay no federal taxes.

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Yet efforts to instill a FAIR or FLAT tax are often shot down by members of your affiliated party. As for tax breaks, who else can get them? Over half the population doesn't even pay income taxes so how can you offer cuts into 0%? There's nobody else that can even get a cut of some kind because so many don't contribute to the income tax base at all. It's not even a partisan point, it's simple observation.

Darwin's choice

obama is failing, and you're still blowing away,trying to puff him up!!

You're pathetic! Troll

Contango

"Most of Wal-Mart's projects are done through what are called power-purchase agreements, where third-party developers, (e.g. Greenskies Renewable Energy, LLC) install, own and operate the systems on Wal-Mart rooftops.

Wal-Mart simply locks in cheap long-term rates to buy back the electricity and take the green credit."

"Green credit"?

Yep! Walmart is taking a taxpayer funded subsidy.

Gotta ask: Are those American made solar panels or Chinese?

http://money.msn.com/investing/w...

http://www.greenskies.com/

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Let's not forget, speaking of subsidies, that this appearance is what allows us to pay for his otherwise Democratic Party Fundraising tour in California. I wonder how many "middle class" or "working class" people were at those extravagant galas with dinners around $10,000/plate?

I can only wonder how it feels to talk to the same people you decry and have them applaud your every word and Pinnochio'd claim?

Nemesis

I notice Big Dog and his friends are absent from this thread. They're probably dealing with the cognitive dissonance of the Left's messiah (Obama) rubbing shoulders with the Left's great satan (WalMart)

rbenn

Theres too much fact based info here for the koolaid gangs minds to comprehend. Just wait though at least one will come from under a rock and call us racist or something like that.

Bottom Line

rbenn hit the nail on the head!

Pete

Their puppet masters are still formulating what the minions should think and say.

As soon as they get their orders they'll comment. IbettheyblameBush

coasterfan

Nah, it was the weekend. We Dems are out enjoying life, instead of cooped up on the computer on a beautiful sunny Saturday afternoon like you. I was out with my beautiful wife riding roller coasters.

BTW, no cognitive dissonance w/Obama. He is, and always has been, for the middle class and the poor (i.e. WalMart shoppers). If we saw Romney at a WalMart, everyone would instantly faint.

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The Hero Zone

What's the middle class?

Darwin's choice

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Is this number 3 or 4 loser?

What's his name? Thought you gays ruined Cedar Point on Fathers Day?

JudgeMeNot

0-bama, please stop trying to distract us from Benghazi, the IRS, Hillary, and your phony birth certificate.

44846GWP

OMG, here we go with the birthers again. Get a clue.

Darwin's choice

It's really sad that in this day and age clueless people such as yourself continue to blindly follow failure. "Birthers" eh?, when the daily failures are listed for you, and you defer, does that mean they're acceptable to you? Pathetic!

There you go again

Oh, that is the Obama strategy he has been using since his election. Unfortunately Obama gets away with the deceit. Amazing, isn't it?

coasterfan

Not as much as the Republicans. There is an excellent OpEd article in the MOnday, May 12 edition of the Toledo Blade about the widespread Republican lies re: Obamacare. Go ahead and read it. I dare you to learn something :)

Darwin's choice

You have a lot of nerve telling someone to learn something! Your life failure as a "teacher" is probably close to being a criminal act!

JudgeMeNot

We need a change in the climate of the whitehouse.

JudgeMeNot

The earth is 4.5 billion years old and the climate has been changing for the entire time.

Contango

"But they're wasting people's time on a settled debate."

So why does the Climate Changer in Chief continue to beg the question if it's "settled"?

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The Hero Zone

The term is changing again. It's no longer "climate change" but rather, "climate disruption".

http://www.scientific-alliance.o...

Contango

@ The Hero Zone:

Good to know (I guess). :)

I enjoyed the first sentence:

"Many readers will already have been aware of this evolution in terminology."

"Terminology evolution"?

Reads like a popular propaganda technique. The Soviets called it "word magic."

"Disruption" reminds me of the Klingon weapon - disruptor.

So an extreme weather event, e.g. drought, hurricane, et. al., which the warmers want to use as evidence for climate change will now be referred to as: A climate disruptor?

Yep! That tornado sure was a climate disruptor! It "disrupted" the building flat.

Sounds dumber than the term climate change. Terminology de-evolution?

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The Hero Zone

The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human. - Aldous Huxley

The above can be heard all the time and not just from Democrats. Part of the purpose of changing this was to make what is occurring "personalized" as people are catching on that warming/cooling is too black-and-white and that "change" occurs all the time. But, if it rains the day you want to have a picnic? That disrupted YOUR life. Now it affects YOU. If only that power plant in West Virginia wasn't producing electricity for hospitals and businesses you could have had your sandwich on a sunny day. See?

Now YOU have cause to be upset because these weather events may never have occurred if something happened. It is a term that is magically super-broad to include anything you want yet gives unquestioning people the tools to become irrationally upset at something that is implied could have been done to prevent that inconvenient rain on his picnic day.

It's an out for the science community because no "normal" is known for our climate and there's very little we can do about it as humans (in contribution or remidiation). We don't have standards so we just have to call what we perceive is inconvenient as "disruptions" to our unspoken utopia of climate. It's like saying "middle class". You don't have to define it, you just have to expect other people to apply their thoughts on it and agree with you.

That's my analysis on it if that makes sense, Contango.

The Big Dog's back

hz, they're trying to make it simple so even a right wingnut could understand. But we all know no matter how simple it is, a right wingnut will never understand.

coasterfan

He doesn't. He said the exact opposite. He said that it IS settled and it is NOT up for debate.

Why do Republicans continue to report things entirely incorrectly?
Answer: it's because most of their constituents believe everything they say, so there are no political penalties for lying.

Aside from 97% of the scientific experts, guess who else believes in manmade climate change? The Pentagon.

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The Hero Zone

Saying something like that is settled and not up for debate is a gleaming jewel of ignorance and a sign of how closed-minded he is.

Now as for your beliefs, what is your plan to cull the human race? They're the source of the problem as you point out. As a species we literally can't even fart without contributing to "climate change" let alone exhale. When we exhale we produce both water vapor (the biggest greenhouse gas by volume) as well as carbon dioxide. Our existence also means we will be buying, building, breaking, fixing, needing, creating, harvesting, and growing things which all demand "carbon footprints". If the population continues to grow so too will be what you see as a boogeyman.

So again, how do you plan to decimate our species?

For that matter, when has the climate ever NOT changed even in the billions of years before mankind came to be? Even in the tens of thousands of years we have been around it has changed. It will continue to do so no matter what we do. But again the answer is simple. If we want climate change to not be man-made then we must remove man.

How are we going to get rid of the problem? Otherwise we're wasting a whole lotta time talking about something that is a natural force that will never stop no matter what we, in our hubris, try to do.

grumpy

Thanks to fracking we are now usiong more natural gas, thus less coal, and our CO2 production has dropped to below what the rates were in 92. The US has dropped more than any other country in the world. What does coaster suggest we do to reduce it more without harming the economy which is barely increasing each quarter? What are the other countries around the workld doing to reduce their CO2 since ours has substaintially dropped? What does he propose for them to catch up with our reductions? I also am interested in his plans for reducing the population of all countries... not just the US which, if you discount immigration our population would be decreasing. Should we stop all immigration for the reduction in CO2? Less production would be needed and fewer people.

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The Hero Zone

Today at the city council meeting Mr. Murray made a good point that reminded me that asphalt is a byproduct of gasoline refinement. With efforts to reduce the amount of gasoline we consume we will also see a decline in asphalt production. Where does that leave...everything, everywhere? It was an interesting head-scratcher brought up at city council and something that we all need to pay attention to. So goes gasoline, so too do the roads. Literally.

EDIT: Not just a reduction in asphalt demanded but a raise in the cost for us to acquire an ever-diminishing supply.

The Big Dog's back

right wingnut stupidity has been settled and no longer up for debate.

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The Hero Zone

Thank you for proving my first sentence? I really don't know how else to respond in the face of a comment like that. You are fresh back on the scene in the comment section and this is what you bring to the table? You are better than this.

Though since you want to talk about convictions without discussion, is your plan to cull the human race and prevent man made climate change/disruption to assassinate them remotely via drone like you call for with a Nevada rancher? Or how else can we address this constantly-moved-goalpost-terminology that still carries "man made" with it? Call it whatever you want but so long as "man" is still around it seems to me this change/disruption will be too. Solutions?

Pete

A couple responses from the Leech Contingent. But the MoochMail must be running slow today.

grumpy

This is the solar power that the White House uses.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014...

Nothing but the best fo the commander in chief.

coasterfan

I know that many conservatives don't like science - because it's based on things that we CAN prove, via repeated testing and observation, which we call the Scientific Method. They would much rather believe in things we cannot prove exist (deities) or that a book written 2000 years ago (by people who had absolutely no understanding of how the world actually works) is a better source of guidance on things like climate change.

But just in case a few idiots are still clinging to the silly line "there is no proof that climate change is real", here is a great website that covers it all quite well. You don't even have to understand science to "get it". If you can tell the difference between colors, you'll be able to understand the graphs:

7 Charts That Show How Climate Change Is Already Altering Life in the U.S.:

http://mashable.com/2014/05/06/c...

coasterfan

On Sunday night's episode of "Last Week Tonight", Oliver invited Bill Nye the Science Guy and a skeptic to put an end to the climate change debate. However, as a twist, Oliver also brings "mathematical balance" to the segment by inviting two supporters for the climate change denier and 96 other scientists in support for Nye.

That's the proportion of experts who don't believe in climate change (3%) vs. the ones who believe it's real (97%). Some of the 3% were hired by big oil companies, who, of course, have a financial/vested interest in denying that climate change is real.

If 97 scientists out of 100 believe that man-made climate change is real and their tests show that it is definitely ramping up quickly, why would you NOT side with the scientists - the "smart" people - on this? Or, to put it another way, why side with people who have absolutely no training or education in this area?

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The Hero Zone

Has the climate never changed without mankind? Or was the end of the ice age tied with the industrial revolution? Did continents drift away from Pangea because of man? The climate always has and always will change with or without us.

What is "normal" climate? I'm not arguing these points to be a Captain Planet villain, but you keep talking about things that you don't even base on...anything. No beginning, no end. Oh but we've identified man as the cause of it, excluding all other forces both celestial and terrestrial.

So again, how do you propose to thin the herd to reach an unknown "normal" climate and that we can ensure the earth never, ever changes its climate again in any way contrary to what its been doing for billions of years.

Darwin's choice

It's a proven fact that 97% of facts are lies!!! Truth!!!

Contango

Re: "Bill Nye"

So you get your info. from professional entertainers like the above and Bill Maher?

Yea, 'that's' credible. :)

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How's the house selling goin'?

Contango

The AGW hypocrisy of the Obama admin. is now complete:

"Ukraine gas producer appoints Biden's son to board"

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101669271

Tell me that this ain't a @#$% political game to these yahoos.

Darwin's choice

LOL !!!!!!

Incredible ineptness is a family trait......!